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faketty-0.02

[Aivils S. <ai...@un...>]

Hi, All!

- Released faketty 0.02 kernel module.
- allow multiple open
- add PC speaker support
- fix possible read deadlock
- Makefile clean up

http://www.ltn.lv/~aivils/files/faketty-0.02.tar.bz2

Aivils Stoss

Re: faketty-0.02 Bells!

[Hugo V. <hvw...@ya...>]

--- Aivils Stoss <ai...@un...> wrote:

> Hi, All!
> 
> - Released faketty 0.02 kernel module.
> - allow multiple open
> - add PC speaker support
> - fix possible read deadlock
> - Makefile clean up
> 
> http://www.ltn.lv/~aivils/files/faketty-0.02.tar.bz2
> 

I think the test for kernel version is a little diff.
Cf. attached.

We got bells!!! So when my internet cafe (called
Faketty Koffeety) starts up its 12 tubes I hear 12
little beeps and don't have to see whether the screens
are OK!

Hugo



	
		
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Re: faketty-0.02 Bells!

[Fredrik T. <fr...@do...>]

On Wed, 2005-09-14 at 07:21 -0700, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

> We got bells!!! So when my internet cafe (called
> Faketty Koffeety) starts up its 12 tubes I hear 12

Would you mind sharing how you managed to cram 12 video cards into one
computer?

Fredrik Tolf

Re: faketty-0.02 Bells!

[Hugo V. <hvw...@ya...>]

--- Fredrik Tolf <fr...@do...> wrote:

> On Wed, 2005-09-14 at 07:21 -0700, Hugo Vanwoerkom
> wrote:
> 
> > We got bells!!! So when my internet cafe (called
> > Faketty Koffeety) starts up its 12 tubes I hear 12
> 
> Would you mind sharing how you managed to cram 12
> video cards into one
> computer?
> 
> Fredrik Tolf

Actually I was jesting. Badly, I guess :-(

But if I did it I would buy:

1 matrox g450 AGP dualhead:
http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10401969&SearchEngine=DealTime&SearchTerm=10401969&Type=PE&Category=Comp&Gad=0&dcaid=15891

and 

5 matrox g550 PCI dual head:
http://www.overstock.com/cgi-bin/d2.cgi?PAGE=PRODUCT&PROD_ID=931103&cid=44344&fp=F#

giving me 12 monitors.

I now have an epox ep8vtai mobo with 5 PCI slots, so
it would all fit. I have 1 GB of memory. May be buy 2
1GB cards instead to get 2GB.

Then 4 7-port USB hubs for my 4 usb ports:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817111971

I plug the keyboards/mice into there.

Voilá! Debian Linux 2.6.12 would have no problems with
it. A cable Internet hookup I guess. Mobo has an
ethernet connection onboard.

[OT] from here on!

What stops me from doing it: it would be a Debian
Linux only shop and I am fearful of the crowd I see in
Internet Cafes nowadays and the pervasive M$
advertizing that equates a computer with M$ products.
A case in point: my old alma mater has about 100 PC's
hooked up for its 1300 students. No attempt at all to
go open source: each one has a M$ sticker that they
paid their dues. You would think that an academic
institution of higher learning would espouse some sort
of critical attitude: zip.

Nobody even ever tried an opensource solution for
thesis.

End [OT]

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Re: faketty-0.02 Bells!

[Zoltan B. <zb...@fr...>]

Hi,

Hugo Vanwoerkom =EDrta:
> --- Fredrik Tolf <fr...@do...> wrote:
>=20
>=20
>>On Wed, 2005-09-14 at 07:21 -0700, Hugo Vanwoerkom
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>We got bells!!! So when my internet cafe (called
>>>Faketty Koffeety) starts up its 12 tubes I hear 12
>>
>>Would you mind sharing how you managed to cram 12
>>video cards into one
>>computer?
>>
>>Fredrik Tolf
>=20
>=20
> Actually I was jesting. Badly, I guess :-(
>=20
> But if I did it I would buy:
>=20
> 1 matrox g450 AGP dualhead:
> http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=3D10401969&SearchEngine=3DDea=
lTime&SearchTerm=3D10401969&Type=3DPE&Category=3DComp&Gad=3D0&dcaid=3D158=
91
>=20
> and=20
>=20
> 5 matrox g550 PCI dual head:
> http://www.overstock.com/cgi-bin/d2.cgi?PAGE=3DPRODUCT&PROD_ID=3D931103=
&cid=3D44344&fp=3DF#
>=20
> giving me 12 monitors.

How about the Appian Xentera GT 8? It's a PCI card,
containing 4 Radeon 9000 cores, each can drive
2 monitors, so 8 monitors per card. They also
have AGP and PCIe models, too but only with two cores,
called Xentera GT 4. So 1 AGP (two seats) and 5 PCI
(four seats) cards, 22 people in total, each one
can use dual monitor setup. :->
http://www.appian.com

At this point I would be afraid of the PCI bandwidth
and not having King Arthur's round table... :-)

> I now have an epox ep8vtai mobo with 5 PCI slots, so
> it would all fit. I have 1 GB of memory. May be buy 2
> 1GB cards instead to get 2GB.
>=20
> Then 4 7-port USB hubs for my 4 usb ports:
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=3DN82E16817111971
>=20
> I plug the keyboards/mice into there.
>=20
> Voil=E1! Debian Linux 2.6.12 would have no problems with
> it. A cable Internet hookup I guess. Mobo has an
> ethernet connection onboard.
>=20
> [OT] from here on!
>=20
> What stops me from doing it: it would be a Debian
> Linux only shop and I am fearful of the crowd I see in
> Internet Cafes nowadays and the pervasive M$
> advertizing that equates a computer with M$ products.
> A case in point: my old alma mater has about 100 PC's
> hooked up for its 1300 students. No attempt at all to
> go open source: each one has a M$ sticker that they
> paid their dues. You would think that an academic
> institution of higher learning would espouse some sort
> of critical attitude: zip.
>=20
> Nobody even ever tried an opensource solution for
> thesis.
>=20
> End [OT]

A friend of mine wrote his dissertation about setting up a secure
web-server with Debian GNU/Linux, and although the local LUG
cheered him, the teachers couldn't really appreciate his work,
since they didn't knew (about) Linux.

Best regards,
Zolt=E1n B=F6sz=F6rm=E9nyi

Re: faketty-0.02 Bells!

[Hugo V. <hvw...@ya...>]

<snip>

--- Zoltan Boszormenyi <zb...@fr...> wrote:

> 
> How about the Appian Xentera GT 8? It's a PCI card,
> containing 4 Radeon 9000 cores, each can drive
> 2 monitors, so 8 monitors per card. They also
> have AGP and PCIe models, too but only with two
> cores,
> called Xentera GT 4. So 1 AGP (two seats) and 5 PCI
> (four seats) cards, 22 people in total, each one
> can use dual monitor setup. :->
> http://www.appian.com
> 
> At this point I would be afraid of the PCI bandwidth
> and not having King Arthur's round table... :-)

But yikes!!! those prices!
I would be paying $340 for my g550 + 5 g450's.
I'd be paying $2844 for the 22 people. But where would
I find the room for the USB keyboards/mice?

Wouldn't it be sweet to do a project like that some
place, to find out what the real bottlenecks would be.
Probably the PCI bandwidth like you say...


<snip>
> 
> 
> A friend of mine wrote his dissertation about
> setting up a secure
> web-server with Debian GNU/Linux, and although the
> local LUG
> cheered him, the teachers couldn't really appreciate
> his work,
> since they didn't knew (about) Linux.

My son is graduating this semester from the same
place, with degrees in math, compsci and music. But I
could not interest him in the project either. Maybe
because he knows who would be judging him.

Hugo


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Re: faketty-0.02 Bells!

[Helge H. <hel...@ai...>]

Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

>What stops me from doing it: it would be a Debian
>Linux only shop and I am fearful of the crowd I see in
>Internet Cafes nowadays and the pervasive M$
>advertizing that equates a computer with M$ products.

Well, even M$ users use firefox these days.  They are open to
different software.  Debian has a nice GUI these days, you could
choose one of those window managers that are similiar to windows.
The biggest difference lies in installation and system maintenance,
but your users won't be doing that. :-)

I think a debian-based internet cafe would do fine, unless the
crowd's chief interest is windows-based games.  That's about the only
thing you can't do.  Internet browsing, including java&flash plugins works.
Word processing have several options, openoffice for the masses
and latex/lyx for the specially interested.  And you can even throw in
some linux-based games if you wish.


>A case in point: my old alma mater has about 100 PC's
>hooked up for its 1300 students. No attempt at all to
>go open source: each one has a M$ sticker that they
>paid their dues. You would think that an academic
>institution of higher learning would espouse some sort
>of critical attitude: zip.
>
>Nobody even ever tried an opensource solution for
>thesis.

Open source in academic institutions requires at least
one interested person inside.  But then it tends to
be easy to arrange.

><snip>
>
>--- Zoltan Boszormenyi <zb...@fr...> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>How about the Appian Xentera GT 8? It's a PCI card,
>>containing 4 Radeon 9000 cores, each can drive
>>2 monitors, so 8 monitors per card. They also
>>have AGP and PCIe models, too but only with two
>>cores,
>>called Xentera GT 4. So 1 AGP (two seats) and 5 PCI
>>(four seats) cards, 22 people in total, each one
>>can use dual monitor setup. :->
>>http://www.appian.com
>>
>>At this point I would be afraid of the PCI bandwidth
>>and not having King Arthur's round table... :-)
>>    
>>
>
>But yikes!!! those prices!
>I would be paying $340 for my g550 + 5 g450's.
>I'd be paying $2844 for the 22 people. But where would
>I find the room for the USB keyboards/mice?
>  
>
USB hub(s).  I believe USB supports over 200 devices connected.
Plug a hub into your USB, the hub has plenty of plugs for the
mice and keyboards.  Not enough? Plug another hub into the hub.
And powered hubs solves the problem of powering all those devices too.

>Wouldn't it be sweet to do a project like that some
>place, to find out what the real bottlenecks would be.
>Probably the PCI bandwidth like you say...
>  
>
Depends on what they do with those screens.  They don't eat
much bandwith as long as people only is looking.  Office/internet cafe
activities like mail, web, word processing and lightweight 2D games
is 95% idleness for the computer.  Scrolling and full-window dragging
may be done by the acceleration hardware so it don't
put much load on the pci bus.   3D gaming is a different story though.

There are motherboards
with several pci buses if bandwith becomes a limitation.  They cost,
but is way cheaper than 22 separate pc's.  And only one os
image to maintain. :-)

Helge Hafting

Re: faketty-0.02 Bells!

[Zoltan B. <zb...@fr...>]

Helge Hafting =C3=ADrta:
> Depends on what they do with those screens.  They don't eat
> much bandwith as long as people only is looking.  Office/internet cafe
> activities like mail, web, word processing and lightweight 2D games
> is 95% idleness for the computer.  Scrolling and full-window dragging
> may be done by the acceleration hardware so it don't
> put much load on the pci bus.   3D gaming is a different story though.

I have to disappoint you, unfortunately. SuperTux on my PCI Radeon
stalls everything that e.g. tries to access the hdd. However, when
I lower the X server's priority, the hdd access gets smooth during
SuperTux, but the screen that the game runs on starts developing
some interesting effects, like dragging the whole screen back, i.e.
in the opposite direction where the scrolling goes and it does it
regularly, causing nasty flickering.

However, I experimented with Con Colivas' scheduler and it seemed to
solve most of this. I expect Ingo Molnar's realtime work will solve
this totally.

> There are motherboards
> with several pci buses if bandwith becomes a limitation.  They cost,

Yes, there are, I thought about that, too.

> but is way cheaper than 22 separate pc's.  And only one os
> image to maintain. :-)

These are clear advantages. :-)

Best regards,
Zolt=C3=A1n B=C3=B6sz=C3=B6rm=C3=A9nyi

Re: faketty-0.02 Bells!

[James v. Z. <ja...@dv...>]

$2844 for the 22 people

Plus the cost of say, a stacked HP Proliant ML150 server class hardware,
with 3 year same day onsite hardware warranty, you're still going to
spend less than buying 22 even half-way decent workstations

What kind of multi-console machine would you buy for $22,000AU 

(based on a bare-bones workstation =$1000AU x 22 seats) and that's
probably a bit conservative.

J

On Fri, 2005-09-16 at 10:01, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> <snip>
> 
> --- Zoltan Boszormenyi <zb...@fr...> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > How about the Appian Xentera GT 8? It's a PCI card,
> > containing 4 Radeon 9000 cores, each can drive
> > 2 monitors, so 8 monitors per card. They also
> > have AGP and PCIe models, too but only with two
> > cores,
> > called Xentera GT 4. So 1 AGP (two seats) and 5 PCI
> > (four seats) cards, 22 people in total, each one
> > can use dual monitor setup. :->
> > http://www.appian.com
> > 
> > At this point I would be afraid of the PCI bandwidth
> > and not having King Arthur's round table... :-)
> 
> But yikes!!! those prices!
> I would be paying $340 for my g550 + 5 g450's.
> I'd be paying $2844 for the 22 people. But where would
> I find the room for the USB keyboards/mice?
> 
> Wouldn't it be sweet to do a project like that some
> place, to find out what the real bottlenecks would be.
> Probably the PCI bandwidth like you say...
> 
> 
> <snip>
> > 
> > 
> > A friend of mine wrote his dissertation about
> > setting up a secure
> > web-server with Debian GNU/Linux, and although the
> > local LUG
> > cheered him, the teachers couldn't really appreciate
> > his work,
> > since they didn't knew (about) Linux.
> 
> My son is graduating this semester from the same
> place, with degrees in math, compsci and music. But I
> could not interest him in the project either. Maybe
> because he knows who would be judging him.
> 
> Hugo
> 
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Re: faketty-0.02 Bells!

[Aivils S. <ai...@un...>]

On Piektdiena, 16. Septembris 2005 03:01, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> But yikes!!! those prices!
> I would be paying $340 for my g550 + 5 g450's.
> I'd be paying $2844 for the 22 people. But where would
> I find the room for the USB keyboards/mice?
>
> Wouldn't it be sweet to do a project like that some
> place, to find out what the real bottlenecks would be.
> Probably the PCI bandwidth like you say...

Display cables have limited length, where image quality
goes down if length (and price) grew. I suppose display
cables make this mainframe-like build impossible.
VGA cable 10meters - $100.

May be anybody test image quality via 10-15
meter cable?

Aivils Stoss

Re: faketty-0.02 Bells!

[ludovic p. <pl...@nn...>]

Le Vendredi 16 Septembre 2005 14:59, Aivils Stoss a =E9crit :
> On Piektdiena, 16. Septembris 2005 03:01, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> > But yikes!!! those prices!
> > I would be paying $340 for my g550 + 5 g450's.
> > I'd be paying $2844 for the 22 people. But where would
> > I find the room for the USB keyboards/mice?
> >
> > Wouldn't it be sweet to do a project like that some
> > place, to find out what the real bottlenecks would be.
> > Probably the PCI bandwidth like you say...
>
> Display cables have limited length, where image quality
> goes down if length (and price) grew. I suppose display
> cables make this mainframe-like build impossible.
> VGA cable 10meters - $100.
>
> May be anybody test image quality via 10-15
> meter cable?
>
> Aivils Stoss

I use a 15metter vga cable in 1024x768 and can't see any quality problem.
But I mainly uses the monitor connected to this cable for TV/film watchin=
g...

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Re: faketty-0.02 Bells!

[Sebastian G. <sga...@as...>]

> Display cables have limited length, where image quality
> goes down if length (and price) grew. I suppose display
> cables make this mainframe-like build impossible.
> VGA cable 10meters - $100.
>=20
> May be anybody test image quality via 10-15
> meter cable?

I have a a terminal connected to a keyboard/video/mouse switch, 17
meters of cable far from the computers. PS/2 mouse sometimes loss sync,
but everything works fine for me. Video quality depends on video card.
Some cheap Via or Sis cards shows pretty poor video quality.


Sebasti=E1n.

Re: faketty-0.02 Bells!

[Hugo V. <hvw...@ya...>]

--- Sebastian Galletto <sga...@as...>
wrote:

> > Display cables have limited length, where image
> quality
> > goes down if length (and price) grew. I suppose
> display
> > cables make this mainframe-like build impossible.
> > VGA cable 10meters - $100.
> > 
> > May be anybody test image quality via 10-15
> > meter cable?
> 
> I have a a terminal connected to a
> keyboard/video/mouse switch, 17
> meters of cable far from the computers. PS/2 mouse
> sometimes loss sync,
> but everything works fine for me. Video quality
> depends on video card.
> Some cheap Via or Sis cards shows pretty poor video
> quality.
> 

Now that is a super idea: get rid of that thing on the
table: what brand switch do you use?

Hugo






		
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Re: faketty-0.02 Bells!

[Sebastian G. <sga...@as...>]

El mar, 20-09-2005 a las 04:46 -0700, Hugo Vanwoerkom escribi=F3:
>=20
> --- Sebastian Galletto <sga...@as...>
> wrote:
>=20
> > but everything works fine for me. Video quality
> > depends on video card.
> > Some cheap Via or Sis cards shows pretty poor video
> > quality.
> >=20
>=20
> Now that is a super idea: get rid of that thing on the
> table: what brand switch do you use?
>=20
Is just a cheap one. You can look it up at:
http://www.trendware.com/products/TK-400K.htm . It works fine for me. I
have connected it to another small kvm switch in cascade, in order to
use all my racked servers and my computer from a single console. The
only one problem that I found, is that the magic key to switch between
consoles is the same on both switches. I fixed it extending a manual
switch key to my local keyboard.



Regards,

Sebasti=E1n.

Re: faketty-0.02

[Mario S. <mar...@we...>]

Am Mittwoch, 14. September 2005 08:46 schrieb Aivils Stoss:

> - Released faketty 0.02 kernel module.
> - allow multiple open
> - add PC speaker support
> - fix possible read deadlock
> - Makefile clean up

Hi,=20

I want to test faketty, but I cant compile it.
The message is:
mario@ms12-sid faketty-0.02 $ make
make -C /lib/modules/2.6.12ruby/build -I/lib/modules/2.6.12ruby/build/inclu=
de=20
SUBDIRS=3D/home/mario/tmp/faketty/faketty-0.02=20
SRCROOT=3D/home/mario/tmp/faketty/faketty-0.02/. modules
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.12'
  CC [M]  /home/mario/tmp/faketty/faketty-0.02/faketty.o
/home/mario/tmp/faketty/faketty-0.02/faketty.c: In function 'ftty_connect':
/home/mario/tmp/faketty/faketty-0.02/faketty.c:808: warning: implicit=20
declaration of function 'class_device_create'
/home/mario/tmp/faketty/faketty-0.02/faketty.c: In function 'ftty_disconnec=
t':
/home/mario/tmp/faketty/faketty-0.02/faketty.c:824: warning: implicit=20
declaration of function 'class_device_destroy'
  Building modules, stage 2.
  MODPOST
*** Warning:=20
"class_device_destroy" [/home/mario/tmp/faketty/faketty-0.02/faketty.ko]=20
undefined!
*** Warning:=20
"class_device_create" [/home/mario/tmp/faketty/faketty-0.02/faketty.ko]=20
undefined!
  CC      /home/mario/tmp/faketty/faketty-0.02/faketty.mod.o
  LD [M]  /home/mario/tmp/faketty/faketty-0.02/faketty.ko
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.12'


What can I do?

mfg
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Re: faketty-0.02

[Hugo V. <hvw...@ya...>]

--- Mario Scheel <mar...@we...> wrote:

> Am Mittwoch, 14. September 2005 08:46 schrieb Aivils
> Stoss:
> 
> > - Released faketty 0.02 kernel module.
> > - allow multiple open
> > - add PC speaker support
> > - fix possible read deadlock
> > - Makefile clean up
> 
> Hi, 
> 
> I want to test faketty, but I cant compile it.

<snip>

http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=8191973&forum_id=5379

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faketty-0.03

[Aivils S. <ai...@un...>]

On Sestdiena, 17. Septembris 2005 20:29, Mario Scheel wrote:
> Am Mittwoch, 14. September 2005 08:46 schrieb Aivils Stoss:
> > - Released faketty 0.02 kernel module.
> > - allow multiple open
> > - add PC speaker support
> > - fix possible read deadlock
> > - Makefile clean up
>
> Hi,
>
> I want to test faketty, but I cant compile it.

I was lost in these Linux kernel trees :-(
Bug removed :o)

http://www.ltn.lv/~aivils/files/faketty-0.03.tar.bz2

Aivils Stoss

Re: faketty-0.03 -- success...sort of...

[Frederick W. K. <fko...@co...>]

Hi,

  I've successfully replaced a 2.6.10-ruby kernel with 2.6.13-1.1561
from fedora development using the faketty-0.03 solution-- thanks Aivils!

  I've got a complex setup....including a PCI Matrox G100 MMS driving
three heads (one of which has two screens) and video-out from my old AGP
3dfx Voodoo3 driving my TV for mythtv output (as soon as I get the bt869
i2c driver working with 2.6.13, doh).  Input comes from one AT keyboard,
two USB keyboards, three usb mice and a ps/2 -> usb converter for my pc
/tv airlink keyboard / mouse (useful from the TV with mythtv).  Just
updated to FC4.

  In working with it last night, I moved my usb printer (cannon i550)
from one usb hub to another, and suddenly, the usb mouse on one of my
heads stopped working.  Took a look at /proc/bus/input/devices, and it
looked like the faketty ordering changed, with the ftty2 entry normally
associated with that usb mouse missing.  Haven't tried reproducing the
problem yet, so maybe it just a fluke, but after a reboot this morning,
did notice that it was fine.

Frederick Koehler


Aivils Stoss wrote:

>On Sestdiena, 17. Septembris 2005 20:29, Mario Scheel wrote:
>  
>
>>Am Mittwoch, 14. September 2005 08:46 schrieb Aivils Stoss:
>>    
>>
>>>- Released faketty 0.02 kernel module.
>>>- allow multiple open
>>>- add PC speaker support
>>>- fix possible read deadlock
>>>- Makefile clean up
>>>      
>>>
>>Hi,
>>
>>I want to test faketty, but I cant compile it.
>>    
>>
>
>I was lost in these Linux kernel trees :-(
>Bug removed :o)
>
>http://www.ltn.lv/~aivils/files/faketty-0.03.tar.bz2
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>Aivils Stoss
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