linuxconsole-dev

Re: (no subject)

[<fr...@fr...>]

> > my set of video cards, the AGP was integrated to the motherboard but I'll
> try
> > 
> > it late whith another combination.
> 
> have you tried with XFree prefered Bus ID?
> changing the primary video card(in case it's possible)?
> what chip has the onboard video ?
> 
I think I didn't try all the possibilities.
The onboard video is a Savage (it's a Shuttle).

Anyway, I'm going to try again with the cards mentionned on the BackstreetRuby 
to see how it works on a motherboard without video card integrated. I've a old 
TNT2 AGP and a GeForce4MX PCI. I hope Bruby is relavetively stable enough too 
work a day long with cybercafe clients.

Thanks,
Freeze

Re: Linux console internationalization

[James S. <jsi...@in...>]

> > > How important is it to have an in-kernel console?
> > >
> It'd be pretty annoying if you could crash the console.  Since it's
> in-kernel it's almost impossible (you can only stuck the video card in
> some mode the kernel doesn't understand ;-).  But we do trust e.g.
> init(1) to be a user-space program.  I don't see strong reasons why
> the console can't move to user-space, except for the fact that it
> currently has a lot of syscall/ioctl hooks and interfaces would have
> to be added to connect them to the user-space console process.

Also X windows will not function without a VT console :-( 
 
> But there is another good reason to keep the kernel console and it's
> non-unicode modes: there are very minimalistic builds of linux out
> there, a dumb in-kernel implementation where the buffer is in video
> memory is the most effective solution possible.

Yeap. Working on such a system.

Re: Linux console internationalization

[James S. <jsi...@in...>]

> > > Interesting, but any plan to support more than 512 characters?
> > 
> > Not within VGA text modes.
> > 2^9 is a hardware restriction based on text framebuffer's data semantic.
> 
> I see.  It is since MS/PC-DOS version 6.x (so-called "DOS/V") that
> IBM-compatible PC began to be able to display Japanese characters on
> text screen.  (Before then Japanese local PC was used which has
> hardware Japanese support.)
> 
> I imagine the MS/PC-DOS used VGA graphic mode.  (I heard that "V"
> in the name "DOS/V" came from "VGA".)

The trick was to put the VGA hardware into a VGA graphical state. Usually 
planar 4bpp mode. Then the limitations of how many characters you could 
have would go away.
 

Re: Linux console internationalization

[James S. <jsi...@in...>]

> Not within VGA text modes.
> 2^9 is a hardware restriction based on text framebuffer's data semantic.

Yeap. The pixel size is 16 bits for VGA text hardware mode with the top 
7/8 bytes dealing with the attributes of the font. Actually for VGA text 
mode hardware you have 4 font planes where each one can store up to 
256/512 glyphs. The problem is the hardware only allows one font plane to 
displayed at one time :-(
 
> And I think that 9x16 (this is the largest glyph size usable in VGA text)
> is apparently much less than is needed to read Japan glyphs without risk of eyes.
> Even for 12-year-old Japanese person ;-)

Actually you can go up to 32x32. That is the hardware limitation.

> So, VGA text seems not to be an acceptable solution for East Asia.

	Correct. The solution I seen japan using (PC9800) is there own 
hardware for text console mode, gdccon. I seen the driver done by Osamu 
Tomita. The  problem is it require ugly hacks to the console layer so it 
never included for 2.5.X. 
	A proper console system needs to be developed to support this. So
yes proper unicode handling must be done in the kernel. In order to do 
this a hardware independent screen buffer must be developed for the VT 
layer. At present the screen buffer (screen_buf in struct vc_data) is 
indentical to the VGA text hardware mode. What we need to do is develope
a screen buffer mapping that would work for every one.

syncing and chanes

[James S. <jsi...@in...>]

Hi!
  
     I managed to sync up 2.6.0-pre2 with ruby. A little bit of testing 
too. It is not as stable as 2.4.X :-( Sorry but I have been busy getting 
the fbdev layer up to par. I have the new code in BK and I plan to 
transfer the changes to CVS in the next 24 hours. It appears BK crapped 
out on some code merges so I'm fixing them today before I submit. I plan 
to only have the intel arch branch in CVS because of the on going changes 
to the linux kernel right now. If anyone wants to work on other platforms 
let me know and I can place that code in CVS. I am keeping track in the BK 
tree.
	To let people know I'm going to split the tree into two branches. 
One for 2.4.X and the other for 2.6.X. The 2.4.X branch is rock solid but 
the 2.6. branch needs alot of work to get it up to 2.4.X developement.
level. So you will see two trees. One called ruby-2.6 and the other linux
which is the 2.4.X tree.
	The good news is that we got in the input layer in this time 
around and the new fbdev api. 

Re: (no subject)

[Svetoslav S. <ga...@st...>]

Quoting fr...@fr...:

> Hi,
>     Sorry, my email was full!
> 
>     I choose the logitech keyboard because it was the only USB keyboard I 
> found in my country. I live on a carribean island.
>     I bought it with a PCI GeForce4MX to test the BRuby console for a 
> cybercafe. It didn't fully worked (it hungs after a Ctrl-Alt-Backspace) with
> 
> my set of video cards, the AGP was integrated to the motherboard but I'll try
> 
> it late whith another combination.

have you tried with XFree prefered Bus ID?
changing the primary video card(in case it's possible)?
what chip has the onboard video ?

> 
> OutTopic: I think there are too many keys on the keyboard: music/internet...
> I 
> prefer those keyboard with only the standard key. The only thing that is cool
> 
> is the roll with two buttons to launch applications quikly! It's like on some
> 
> Sony laptops! I think there should be the same thing in KDE or Gnome: press
> 
> the third button and roll it to change the window.

it's not off topic,
this used to be the correct list 
but lately none of the linux-console developers seem to read it :(

you probably have to ask on lkml and/ or write directly to Vojtech Pavlik
the maintainer of the linux input subsystem

if the problem exists only under bruby you probably won't get any 
support until you check/prove that it doesn't work under standard 2.4 or
2.6-test kernel.

best,

svetljo

(no subject)

[<fr...@fr...>]

Hi,
    Sorry, my email was full!

    I choose the logitech keyboard because it was the only USB keyboard I 
found in my country. I live on a carribean island.
    I bought it with a PCI GeForce4MX to test the BRuby console for a 
cybercafe. It didn't fully worked (it hungs after a Ctrl-Alt-Backspace) with 
my set of video cards, the AGP was integrated to the motherboard but I'll try 
it late whith another combination.

OutTopic: I think there are too many keys on the keyboard: music/internet... I 
prefer those keyboard with only the standard key. The only thing that is cool 
is the roll with two buttons to launch applications quikly! It's like on some 
Sony laptops! I think there should be the same thing in KDE or Gnome: press 
the third button and roll it to change the window.


Freeze
---
 --- hugo vanwoerkom <hugovanwoerkom@ca...> wrote:
 > ---- Begin Included Message ----
 > 
 > From: freeze@fr...
 > Sent: Mon,  4 Aug 2003 13:18:11 +0200
 > To: linuxconsole-dev@li...
 > Subject: More than 256 scankey on a Logitech
 > keyboard
 > 
 > 
 > Hi,
 >     I've a USB logitech keyboard with a lot more
 > key than the standard AT 
 > keyboard. 
 
 This is OT, but I am looking for an USB keyboard and
 am an IBM Model M devotee. Do you like the logitech?
 
 Hugo.


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Re: More than 256 scankey on a Logitech keyboard

[<Aiv...@un...>]

>    I've a USB logitech keyboard with a lot more key than the standard AT
>keyboard. So, 4 keys have a scancode > than 255. And the driver reply that
it
>can't map  such keycode. The other keys work, but thoose with a scancode >
255
>don't.
>
>    Is there a patch to allow all my keys to work?

Unfortunately this mailing list read lone maintainer - James Simmons.

>    There's also a tiny wheel on the keyboard with a button which act like
a
>keyboard key (it returns a scancode). How can I make it work with X?

Me to have additional 3 buttons on my USB keyboard. This 3 buttons run uses
special 2nd keyboard
interface. Instead 1 keyboard i have 2 in single bodywork. Your Logitech
USB keyboard may use 2
interfaces.
xfree keyboard is powerful by default:
http://www.unix.bat.ru/mirrors/pascal/en/
and i found:
http://xkeymouse.sf.net

but i test nothing. 3 buttons are not so very match.
If You find "a whole solution" mail to me.

Aivils Stoss

Re: More than 256 scankey on a Logitech keyboard

[Hugo V. <hvw...@ya...>]

--- hugo vanwoerkom <hug...@ca...> wrote:
> ---- Begin Included Message ----
> 
> From: fr...@fr...
> Sent: Mon,  4 Aug 2003 13:18:11 +0200
> To: lin...@li...
> Subject: More than 256 scankey on a Logitech
> keyboard
> 
> 
> Hi,
>     I've a USB logitech keyboard with a lot more
> key than the standard AT 
> keyboard. 

This is OT, but I am looking for an USB keyboard and
am an IBM Model M devotee. Do you like the logitech?

Hugo.

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[hugo v. <hug...@ca...>]

Now there was a good answer...

Hugo.


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More than 256 scankey on a Logitech keyboard

[<fr...@fr...>]

Hi,
    I've a USB logitech keyboard with a lot more key than the standard AT 
keyboard. So, 4 keys have a scancode > than 255. And the driver reply that it 
can't map  such keycode. The other keys work, but thoose with a scancode > 255 
don't.

    Is there a patch to allow all my keys to work?

    There's also a tiny wheel on the keyboard with a button which act like a 
keyboard key (it returns a scancode). How can I make it work with X?

   I've also a 5 button PS/2 mouse that I like to use with X the 2 extra 
button have no effect.... But I think that for this latter question, I should 
ask somewhere else.

Thanks,
Freeze

Re: 2 IBM Model M keyboards + 2 usb mice?

[<Aiv...@un...>]

>I am getting the gear for the second seat with
>BRuby. I hate any keyboard that is not an IBM
>Model M Classic 101 keyboard. Writing this with
>the one I bought in 1993. Now it does not come in
>an USB model. The BRuby FAQ says I can plug in
>one keyboard into the PS/2 keyboard port and
>another into the PS/2 mouse port and then use 2
>USB mice?
>That would work? How?

YOU SHOULD TRUST IN SCRIPTURE!!!
borow any ps2 keyboard and try it.
For full retro style You might use 2 serial mice.
Any xf86 configuration You can try with one
videocard.

Aivils Stoss

2 IBM Model M keyboards + 2 usb mice?

[hugo v. <hug...@ca...>]

I am getting the gear for the second seat with
BRuby. I hate any keyboard that is not an IBM
Model M Classic 101 keyboard. Writing this with
the one I bought in 1993. Now it does not come in
an USB model. The BRuby FAQ says I can plug in
one keyboard into the PS/2 keyboard port and
another into the PS/2 mouse port and then use 2
USB mice?
That would work? How?
Thanks!
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Re: Re: Mostly successful with Backstreet Ruby but lost VT1

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<ga...@st...>
Sent: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 15:15:58 +0200
To: Aiv...@un...
CC: jir...@sk...,
lin...@li...
Subject: Re: Mostly successful with Backstreet
Ruby but lost VT1


Quoting Aiv...@un...:

<snip>


Jiri Mlika(jiri.mlika[at]skoda[dot]cz) is tring
to setup a system with multiple
rdesktop logins (and not to use dual login, first
display manager and then rdesktop)

best,

svetljo


Could you explain this more? rdesktop is an X
client on Linux and also a client to an NT
server. It's like xvncviewer, a client to
vncserver which runs anywhere on anything. But
how is that extending BRuby?

Thanks.

Hugo





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Re: Mostly successful with Backstreet Ruby but lost VT1

[<Aiv...@un...>]

>> >> >I've got an AGP GeForce3 and a PCI GeForce2 in my system and I'm
using
>> >> >nVidia's binary drivers.  I first tried the kernel-only solution but
my
>> >> >system crashed with bizarre patterns on my screens.  Fine, so I
>> switched
>> >> >to Andreas Schuldei's binaries for the patched XFree86 3.0 and these
>> >> >worked, but only if I probe my GeForce2 first, i.e.:
>> >> >
>> >> >        /usr/X11R6/bin/X -probeonly -layout Small
>> >> >        /usr/X11R6/bin/X :1 -layout Small -prefbusid 2:7:0 vt8 &
>> >> >
>> >> >after which I load gdm, which starts the other X server on the AGP
>> >> >card.  It seems odd that I have to probe the PCI card right before
>> >> >starting the PCI card (this isn't about which card comes first), but
>> >> >that's what worked.
>> >>
>> >> Seems nvidia closed source kernel module must be loaded with all
>> >> video cards in use. "X -probeonly" uses all video cards on system,
but
>> >> "X -prefbusid" hide unnecessary cards and xf86 known about one actual
>> >> card. After "X -probeonly" kernel module "nvidia" stay active in the
>> >> kernel user can start properly initialized Nvidia cards in any order.
>> >> After module "nvidia" removing X must be probed again.
>> >
>> >can you explain a bit more ?
>>
>> 2nd xf86 Nvidia closed source driver report "Unable load kernel
moudule",
>> if 1st xf86 started with -prefbusid option.
>>
>> >in what situation is this needed?
>>
>> If user have 2 or more Nvidia cards in one box.
>
>can you give some more details as i'll have to add it to the howto,
>and smth strange(may be luck) i got user report that it works without the
>-probeonly.

In APR-2002 between AUG-2002 i have 2 TNT2 PCI video cards and do not
need for it. Since i buy GeForce4MX AGP i need change starting order.
Since i create -prefbusid parch "2" of xf86 i need probe. So if user
do not use -prefbusid option, then 2 Nvidia cards may work. At least
it works for me, but starting order is important for unpatched xf86.

Aivils

Re: Mostly successful with Backstreet Ruby but lost VT1

[Svetoslav S. <ga...@st...>]

Quoting Aiv...@un...:

> 
> >> >I've got an AGP GeForce3 and a PCI GeForce2 in my system and I'm using
> >> >nVidia's binary drivers.  I first tried the kernel-only solution but my
> >> >system crashed with bizarre patterns on my screens.  Fine, so I
> switched
> >> >to Andreas Schuldei's binaries for the patched XFree86 3.0 and these
> >> >worked, but only if I probe my GeForce2 first, i.e.:
> >> >
> >> >        /usr/X11R6/bin/X -probeonly -layout Small
> >> >        /usr/X11R6/bin/X :1 -layout Small -prefbusid 2:7:0 vt8 &
> >> >
> >> >after which I load gdm, which starts the other X server on the AGP
> >> >card.  It seems odd that I have to probe the PCI card right before
> >> >starting the PCI card (this isn't about which card comes first), but
> >> >that's what worked.
> >>
> >> Seems nvidia closed source kernel module must be loaded with all
> >> video cards in use. "X -probeonly" uses all video cards on system, but
> >> "X -prefbusid" hide unnecessary cards and xf86 known about one actual
> >> card. After "X -probeonly" kernel module "nvidia" stay active in the
> >> kernel user can start properly initialized Nvidia cards in any order.
> >> After module "nvidia" removing X must be probed again.
> >
> >can you explain a bit more ?
> 
> 2nd xf86 Nvidia closed source driver report "Unable load kernel moudule",
> if 1st xf86 started with -prefbusid option.
> 
> >in what situation is this needed?
> 
> If user have 2 or more Nvidia cards in one box.

can you give some more details as i'll have to add it to the howto,
and smth strange(may be luck) i got user report that it works without the
-probeonly.

> >> >I made some small changes to a program called "qiv" to behave itself
> >> >better when it displays the photograph (such as hiding the mouse
> >> >pointer).  Yay, open source!
> >> >
> >> >Here's the part where I need help.  Now when I press Ctrl-Alt-F1, the
> >> >main display switches back to the text-only console BUT it's "greyed
> >> >out"!  Both the foreground text and background look grey--the text is
> >> >darker than it should be and the background is lighter.  I can read
> text
> >> >on it but I cannot type anything to it.  This alarms me because I like
> >> >dropping out of X once and a while and getting a command line.  Any
> >> >ideas?
> >>
> >> ??? 1st must be started xf86 on VGA, then 2nd. This will not work
> >> alltime. 2nd server clean up VGA fonts :(
> >>
> >> >During my experimenting I did try having gdm launch both X servers as
> >> >explained in the HOWTO.  When I did this, instead of launching one
> >> >myself, I was able to use VT1 but suffered the garbage font problem.
> >> >Typing "consolechars -d" fixed it immediately.  I don't care about
> this,
> >> >because I don't want gdm to launch both servers,
> >>
> >> any shell script can start number of xf86 servers.
> >
> >but wont be there a problem,
> >that all X servers are running under the same user ?
> 
> "login -f wildtransilvaniadude". for auto login may be used mingetty
> or agetty. parse inet. IMHO 2nd display on the wall do not needs for
> login promt.
> 
> Aivils

just did it before a while,
and came with "su [username] -c "startx -- ......."

Jiri Mlika(jiri.mlika[at]skoda[dot]cz) is tring to setup a system with multiple
rdesktop logins (and not to use dual login, first display manager and then rdesktop)

best,

svetljo

Re: Mostly successful with Backstreet Ruby but lost VT1

[<Aiv...@un...>]

>> >I've got an AGP GeForce3 and a PCI GeForce2 in my system and I'm using
>> >nVidia's binary drivers.  I first tried the kernel-only solution but my
>> >system crashed with bizarre patterns on my screens.  Fine, so I
switched
>> >to Andreas Schuldei's binaries for the patched XFree86 3.0 and these
>> >worked, but only if I probe my GeForce2 first, i.e.:
>> >
>> >        /usr/X11R6/bin/X -probeonly -layout Small
>> >        /usr/X11R6/bin/X :1 -layout Small -prefbusid 2:7:0 vt8 &
>> >
>> >after which I load gdm, which starts the other X server on the AGP
>> >card.  It seems odd that I have to probe the PCI card right before
>> >starting the PCI card (this isn't about which card comes first), but
>> >that's what worked.
>>
>> Seems nvidia closed source kernel module must be loaded with all
>> video cards in use. "X -probeonly" uses all video cards on system, but
>> "X -prefbusid" hide unnecessary cards and xf86 known about one actual
>> card. After "X -probeonly" kernel module "nvidia" stay active in the
>> kernel user can start properly initialized Nvidia cards in any order.
>> After module "nvidia" removing X must be probed again.
>
>can you explain a bit more ?

2nd xf86 Nvidia closed source driver report "Unable load kernel moudule",
if 1st xf86 started with -prefbusid option.

>in what situation is this needed?

If user have 2 or more Nvidia cards in one box.

>> >I made some small changes to a program called "qiv" to behave itself
>> >better when it displays the photograph (such as hiding the mouse
>> >pointer).  Yay, open source!
>> >
>> >Here's the part where I need help.  Now when I press Ctrl-Alt-F1, the
>> >main display switches back to the text-only console BUT it's "greyed
>> >out"!  Both the foreground text and background look grey--the text is
>> >darker than it should be and the background is lighter.  I can read
text
>> >on it but I cannot type anything to it.  This alarms me because I like
>> >dropping out of X once and a while and getting a command line.  Any
>> >ideas?
>>
>> ??? 1st must be started xf86 on VGA, then 2nd. This will not work
>> alltime. 2nd server clean up VGA fonts :(
>>
>> >During my experimenting I did try having gdm launch both X servers as
>> >explained in the HOWTO.  When I did this, instead of launching one
>> >myself, I was able to use VT1 but suffered the garbage font problem.
>> >Typing "consolechars -d" fixed it immediately.  I don't care about
this,
>> >because I don't want gdm to launch both servers,
>>
>> any shell script can start number of xf86 servers.
>
>but wont be there a problem,
>that all X servers are running under the same user ?

"login -f wildtransilvaniadude". for auto login may be used mingetty
or agetty. parse inet. IMHO 2nd display on the wall do not needs for
login promt.

Aivils

Re: Mostly successful with Backstreet Ruby but lost VT1

[Svetoslav S. <ga...@st...>]

Quoting Aiv...@un...:
> >I've got an AGP GeForce3 and a PCI GeForce2 in my system and I'm using
> >nVidia's binary drivers.  I first tried the kernel-only solution but my
> >system crashed with bizarre patterns on my screens.  Fine, so I switched
> >to Andreas Schuldei's binaries for the patched XFree86 3.0 and these
> >worked, but only if I probe my GeForce2 first, i.e.:
> >
> >        /usr/X11R6/bin/X -probeonly -layout Small
> >        /usr/X11R6/bin/X :1 -layout Small -prefbusid 2:7:0 vt8 &
> >
> >after which I load gdm, which starts the other X server on the AGP
> >card.  It seems odd that I have to probe the PCI card right before
> >starting the PCI card (this isn't about which card comes first), but
> >that's what worked.
> 
> Seems nvidia closed source kernel module must be loaded with all
> video cards in use. "X -probeonly" uses all video cards on system, but
> "X -prefbusid" hide unnecessary cards and xf86 known about one actual
> card. After "X -probeonly" kernel module "nvidia" stay active in the
> kernel user can start properly initialized Nvidia cards in any order.
> After module "nvidia" removing X must be probed again.

can you explain a bit more ?
in what situation is this needed?

 
> >I made some small changes to a program called "qiv" to behave itself
> >better when it displays the photograph (such as hiding the mouse
> >pointer).  Yay, open source!
> >
> >Here's the part where I need help.  Now when I press Ctrl-Alt-F1, the
> >main display switches back to the text-only console BUT it's "greyed
> >out"!  Both the foreground text and background look grey--the text is
> >darker than it should be and the background is lighter.  I can read text
> >on it but I cannot type anything to it.  This alarms me because I like
> >dropping out of X once and a while and getting a command line.  Any
> >ideas?
> 
> ??? 1st must be started xf86 on VGA, then 2nd. This will not work
> alltime. 2nd server clean up VGA fonts :(
> 
> >During my experimenting I did try having gdm launch both X servers as
> >explained in the HOWTO.  When I did this, instead of launching one
> >myself, I was able to use VT1 but suffered the garbage font problem.
> >Typing "consolechars -d" fixed it immediately.  I don't care about this,
> >because I don't want gdm to launch both servers,
> 
> any shell script can start number of xf86 servers.

but wont be there a problem,
that all X servers are running under the same user ?

best,

svetljo

Re: Mostly successful with Backstreet Ruby but lost VT1

[<Aiv...@un...>]

>I just spent the whole day getting Backstreet Ruby working on my system,
>mostly successfully.  I'll report my experience then ask for help
>regaining my virtual terminal #1 (or virtual console; I'm not clear on
>the terminology.  I mean the thing I used to get when I pressed
>Ctrl-Alt-F1).

Unfortunately text mode console never works corectly after start
of 2 or more xf86. Current this is true for all.

>I'm running Debian Woody and my project is a digital picture frame
>(read: "unwanted flat panel display gotten for cheap") near my
>computer.  The display is now in a nice wooden frame, hanging on the
>wall, so it doesn't look like a computer screen, and it's attached to my
>PC by a 15' VGA cable to a cheap PCI GeForce2.  When I boot my computer
>the picture frame display comes up with its own X server then one of my
>digital photographs is chosen at random and displayed.  It's totally
>independent of gdm and whether I'm logged in or not (thank you,
>Backstreet Ruby).
>
>I followed the directions in the XFree Local Multi-User HOWTO, which was
>very helpful.  Thank you, Svetoslav Slavtchev.
>
>I first tried using Andreas Schuldei's binary kernel package
>(kernel-image-2.4.20-backstreet-ruby-p4_10.00.Custom_i386.deb) but when
>I booted up my PS/2 keyboard didn't work.  I then tried to patch a
>Debian 2.4.21 kernel but the patch failed, so I downloaded a vanilla
>2.4.21 kernel which patched successfully.  When configuring the kernel I
>tried to set "Input Devices/Keyboards/AT keyboard support" to Y so I
>wouldn't have to deal with loading the module (as recommended by the
>instructions).  The kernel configurator wouldn't let me; it insisted on
>it being set to 'M'.  I tried booting this kernel and it failed in the
>same way (no keyboard).  I then reconfigured the kernel and turned on
>"Prompt for development and/or incomplete code/drivers".  Once that was
>on I was allowed to set "AT keyboard support" to 'Y' instead of 'M'.

You can load module during init "modprobe atkbd".

>Booting the patched kernel now works with my keyboard.  I have to add
>"dumbcon=1" to my kernel command line (maybe because I've got only one
>keyboard plugged in).
>
>I've got an AGP GeForce3 and a PCI GeForce2 in my system and I'm using
>nVidia's binary drivers.  I first tried the kernel-only solution but my
>system crashed with bizarre patterns on my screens.  Fine, so I switched
>to Andreas Schuldei's binaries for the patched XFree86 3.0 and these
>worked, but only if I probe my GeForce2 first, i.e.:
>
>        /usr/X11R6/bin/X -probeonly -layout Small
>        /usr/X11R6/bin/X :1 -layout Small -prefbusid 2:7:0 vt8 &
>
>after which I load gdm, which starts the other X server on the AGP
>card.  It seems odd that I have to probe the PCI card right before
>starting the PCI card (this isn't about which card comes first), but
>that's what worked.

Seems nvidia closed source kernel module must be loaded with all
video cards in use. "X -probeonly" uses all video cards on system, but
"X -prefbusid" hide unnecessary cards and xf86 known about one actual
card. After "X -probeonly" kernel module "nvidia" stay active in the
kernel user can start properly initialized Nvidia cards in any order.
After module "nvidia" removing X must be probed again.

>I made some small changes to a program called "qiv" to behave itself
>better when it displays the photograph (such as hiding the mouse
>pointer).  Yay, open source!
>
>Here's the part where I need help.  Now when I press Ctrl-Alt-F1, the
>main display switches back to the text-only console BUT it's "greyed
>out"!  Both the foreground text and background look grey--the text is
>darker than it should be and the background is lighter.  I can read text
>on it but I cannot type anything to it.  This alarms me because I like
>dropping out of X once and a while and getting a command line.  Any
>ideas?

??? 1st must be started xf86 on VGA, then 2nd. This will not work
alltime. 2nd server clean up VGA fonts :(

>During my experimenting I did try having gdm launch both X servers as
>explained in the HOWTO.  When I did this, instead of launching one
>myself, I was able to use VT1 but suffered the garbage font problem.
>Typing "consolechars -d" fixed it immediately.  I don't care about this,
>because I don't want gdm to launch both servers,

any shell script can start number of xf86 servers.

>but I'm noting it
>because I didn't have the "greyed-out" VT1 problem in that setup.

Rather some from xf86 folk should take a look. Pressing Ctrl-Alt-F1,
Ctrl-F7, Ctrl-Alt-F1 sometimes helps. Ctrl-F1, Ctrl-F2, Ctrl-F1
sometimes helps.

Aivils Stoss
enthuziast of computer programming

Re: dual headed linux

[<Aiv...@un...>]

Hi, sloopy!
>i am trying to follow your instructions for setting up a dual head
>system, and i am having problems downloading the ruby patch... when i
>d/l it it gets corrupt and i cant uncompress it... was hoping there is
>another source for it or you can email/attach it or something...

Use mirrors :)
http://www.schuldei.org/aivils/
http://people.debian.org/~andreas/aivils/
http://rfhs8012.fh-regensburg.de/~sls35340/aivils/
http://varna.demon.co.uk/~svetlio/aivils/

>sloopy.
>
>p.s. also i am trying this on a macintosh running linux so if you know
>of anyone who has attepted this i would be interested in knowing...

You should feel brave and patch 5-10 arch depended lines.
Please read difference of text of file in linux/arch/i386 directory and
then manualy patch
Your arch directory. Minimum is
linux/arch/your-arch/config.in
linux/arch/your-arch/kernel/dmi_scan.c
linux/arch/your-arch/kernel/setup.c

If You done successful, then i can add next TESTED architecture.

Aivils Stoss

Re: joystick axis mapping

[<Aiv...@un...>]

Hi
>   I have a Analog 3-axis 4-button joystick plugged into a gameport, then
the
>event interface over the top mapping it's axis, and for some reason the
third
>axis (throttle) gets reported as Rudder. I also have a SAITEK CYBORG 3D
USB and
>it's 4th axis gets reported as throttle (which is right) and it's third as
Z
>rotation, which is right. Why is the 3rd axis on the analog 3 axis 4
button
>joystick wrongly reported as rudder?,

Please contcact directly Vojtech Pavlik vo...@su...

Aivils Stoss

joystick axis mapping

[Jeremy B. <je...@co...>]

Hi
   I have a Analog 3-axis 4-button joystick plugged into a gameport, then the 
event interface over the top mapping it's axis, and for some reason the third 
axis (throttle) gets reported as Rudder. I also have a SAITEK CYBORG 3D USB and 
it's 4th axis gets reported as throttle (which is right) and it's third as Z 
rotation, which is right. Why is the 3rd axis on the analog 3 axis 4 button 
joystick wrongly reported as rudder?,

Cheers

Jeremy

System
Gentoo
kernel 2.6.0-test1
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Re: Odd keyboard behaviour with backstreat-ruby port (Mark Hurenkamp)

[Mark H. <mar...@xs...>]

Hi,


Found some time to upgrade to latest 2.4.20 patch, and now
the odd behaviour is gone, and the Airboard keyboard works
as expected :-) Good job Aivils!

Anyone have a patch for 2.6.0-test1 yet? I'd like to try that one 
too, but there are a lot of rejects when I use the 2.5.70 patch.


Mark.

On Thursday 17 April 2003 08:45, Aiv...@un... wrote:
> >Then I tried switching the configurations, so hooking up the
> >Airboard to the PS/2-USB converter, and plugging the BTC/Logitech
> >to the PC's PS/2 ports. Shutdown, and powerup, and both keyboards
> >work properly.
> >Does anyone have an idea what's wrong here?
>
> PS/2 detecting timeout is to short in backstreet-ruby.
> input layer is 1 year old. Now I try sync input with 2.5.67.
>
> Aivils Stoss

Debian install of X 4.3.0 Success!

[hugo v. <hug...@ca...>]

Debian install of the debs at
http://www.schuldei.org was a success. Thanks! I
went to a different Sid partition to try it
first. Works without a hitch:
1. Set etc/apt/sources.list only to deb
/http://www.schuldei.org/debian/bruby/ ./ 

to avoid dist-upgrading everybody.
2. apt-get update
3. clear out var/cache/apt/archives so you can
save the debs that got downloaded for another system.
4. apt-get dist-upgrade
5. When he installs I only had to answer 'N' to
the Xresources update, the rest I answered 'Y' to.
6. restart X. Works without a hitch. But...

I don't have the equipment yet for the other
dumbconsole. The only card I can find is a PCI
card with a SIS305 and that does not look like it
is supported by 4.3.0

Now I run 4.3.0 which no Debian release does. I
have to look into how to avoid getting upgraded
when Debian finally does put up the 4.3.0 Debian
release.

Thanks again for all that work.

Hugo.


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