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Re: keyboard bound to [dummy device]

[Aivils <ai...@un...>]

On Thursday 16 September 2004 02:11, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> Hi List!!!
> 
> With Helge's help I got 2.6.7 + framebuffers +vc's
> running. Looks great.
> 
> Have 2 X's running framebuffer vc's also on primary
> display.
> 
> However: 2nd X on PCI card shows the login screen but
> the keyboard doesn't work. (It does on 2.4.x)
> 
> Dmesg shows this:
> keyboard: [AT Raw Set 2 keyboard] bound to [dummy
> device] vc:17-17
> keyboard: [AT Translated Set 2 keyboard] bound to
> [VESA VGA] vc:1-16
> 
> Those messages come out of vt_proc.c, which...
> has Aivils' name on it!
> Aivils, what am I doing wrong? Why doesn't he say "AT
> Translated Set 2 keyboard" and VESA VGA for vc:17-17?

VESA VGA fbdev takes over VGA console. Before VGA
console uses vc:1-16. See dmesg.
Actualy You should use same vt numbers for X starting.

Aivils

keyboard bound to [dummy device]

[Hugo V. <hvw...@ya...>]

Hi List!!!

With Helge's help I got 2.6.7 + framebuffers +vc's
running. Looks great.

Have 2 X's running framebuffer vc's also on primary
display.

However: 2nd X on PCI card shows the login screen but
the keyboard doesn't work. (It does on 2.4.x)

Dmesg shows this:
keyboard: [AT Raw Set 2 keyboard] bound to [dummy
device] vc:17-17
keyboard: [AT Translated Set 2 keyboard] bound to
[VESA VGA] vc:1-16

Those messages come out of vt_proc.c, which...
has Aivils' name on it!

Aivils, what am I doing wrong? Why doesn't he say "AT
Translated Set 2 keyboard" and VESA VGA for vc:17-17?

Thanks! Getting closer!

Hugo.









		
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[Jean-Daniel P. <jd...@di...>]

    for those who use the 2.4 kernels and want the latest of them (for
    security bugs corrected), here's bruby for 2.4.27

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RE: Ruby on laptops or video over USB

[Yitzhak B. G. <yit...@ya...>]

Ideally, the video controller could be external, like the Japanese did
in the example. The driver requests could be passed over USB to the
external VGA controller and executed there. That is better than sending
an entire video stream over the wire (or even better, wireless).
The advantage of USB is it's multi-channel, so that a future laptop
could host multiple local wireless X stations, which in turn might be
over an extended range physically, like upt to perhaps 30 meters.
Nice, eh?
Yitzhak

-----Original Message-----
From: Aivils [mailto:ai...@un...] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 1:49 PM
To: Helge Hafting
Cc: yitzhak bar geva; lin...@li...
Subject: Re: Ruby on laptops or video over USB

On Tuesday 14 September 2004 13:06, Helge Hafting wrote:
> >Any idea how we could implement Ruby by directing the
> >video stream directly to USB and from there converting
> >to VGA with an external adapter. Here's an example:
> >http://www.usbgear.com/USBG-SVGA2.html
> >  
> >
> Wow - an USB video card!  It should work fine with ruby
> if you can get a X driver for it.  Or a linux kernel
> framebuffer driver, on which you may run framebuffer X.
> I expect this thing to be somewhat slow either way. :-/

That driver net2280 already be in the kernel drivers/usb/gadget
Who knows  how about VGA support ?

Aivils

Re: Ruby on laptops or video over USB

[Aivils <ai...@un...>]

On Tuesday 14 September 2004 13:06, Helge Hafting wrote:
> >Any idea how we could implement Ruby by directing the
> >video stream directly to USB and from there converting
> >to VGA with an external adapter. Here's an example:
> >http://www.usbgear.com/USBG-SVGA2.html
> >  
> >
> Wow - an USB video card!  It should work fine with ruby
> if you can get a X driver for it.  Or a linux kernel
> framebuffer driver, on which you may run framebuffer X.
> I expect this thing to be somewhat slow either way. :-/

That driver net2280 already be in the kernel drivers/usb/gadget
Who knows  how about VGA support ?

Aivils

Re: Ruby on laptops or video over USB

[Helge H. <hel...@hi...>]

yitzhak bar geva wrote:

>Implementing Ruby requires PCI/AGP slots.
>Think what could be done on devices which have no AGP
>or PCI slots like laptops.
>  
>
Some laptops have a vga plug that doesn't have to show
the same image as the built-in display.  Common use of this is
for the laptop user to have a dual-screen setup like xinerama,
where they can move the mouse from one screen to the
other and have more space for their windows.

That means the graphichs card is a multihead device,
which ruby might support.  For any multihead singlecard
setup of these conditions is necessary to run ruby:

1. It is possible to run two different xservers, using
the two screens directly.  That is rarely possible for a
single card, more often for dual card setups.

2. The linux kernel can provide independent framebuffers
for the two screens.  You can then at least run unaccelerated
X on the framebuffers, or perhaps accelerated X on one and
unaccelerated on the other.  Unaccelerated X isn't bad on
a modern machine, except that you won't get useable 3D that way.

You also need to be able to plug in two keyboards and two
mice, but that is rarely a problem.  Keyboards plugs into
the keyboard plug, the ps2-mouse plug and usb. Ditto for mice,
and they also work with serial ports.

>Any idea how we could implement Ruby by directing the
>video stream directly to USB and from there converting
>to VGA with an external adapter. Here's an example:
>http://www.usbgear.com/USBG-SVGA2.html
>  
>
Wow - an USB video card!  It should work fine with ruby
if you can get a X driver for it.  Or a linux kernel
framebuffer driver, on which you may run framebuffer X.
I expect this thing to be somewhat slow either way. :-/

Helge Hafting

Re: db of (b)ruby users

[Hugo V. <hvw...@ya...>]

--- Aivils <ai...@un...> wrote:

> 
> I have better server. But without db engine, because
> i want web space for free and after 2 month thinking
> provider give for me space.
> I plan move halflife startx.times.lv to new space.
> http://www.ltn.lv/~aivils/
> It must be 80 Mbps foreign access.
> 
> Aivils
> 

Aivils,

I did not say this right. It is a user db in concept,
but not in fact. It is a regular html file. I generate
that from a .tex file that has a table in it and I
merely update the table.

For the moment a "real" db is not necessary, only when
we suddenly get a flood of new customers...

I attach the flat .tex file that I use.

Let me know what you think.

Regards,

Hugo.


		
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Re: db of (b)ruby users

[Aivils <ai...@un...>]

On Friday 10 September 2004 17:43, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> My latest efforts with 2.6.8.1 made me want to see a
> db of users, to see if what I have is matched
> somewhere.
> 
> Is that a good idea? Does it exist already?
> 
> I started one, with myself in it:
> http://esquipulas.homeunix.com/rubydb.html
> or
> http://esquipulas.homeunix.com
> 
> But that is on my own machine which is on a dialup
> line, since broadband is not coming to Esquipulas
> anytime soon...
> 
> If anyone volunteers a better server, I would be happy
> to maintain the db if you send your data to this list
> or to my email address...

I have better server. But without db engine, because
i want web space for free and after 2 month thinking
provider give for me space.
I plan move halflife startx.times.lv to new space.
http://www.ltn.lv/~aivils/
It must be 80 Mbps foreign access.

Aivils

Re: trying 2.6.8.1 - again

[Aivils <ai...@un...>]

On Thursday 09 September 2004 20:50, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> 
> --- Aivils <ai...@un...> wrote:
> 
> Right! Runs outer space for me too, got 1280x1024 +
> sun12x22 again! But NOT with the Ruby patch!
> 
> Why is that? My BIOS + TNT2 AGP + 2.6.8.1 Ruby won't
> work? I get the penguin but garbage on the screen and
> everything hangs :-(
 Of course Your hardware is good.

Reports about ruby fbcon was and is extreme discrepant.
So code have alpha quality.
Seems some linus tree fb drivers have 0 testers :(

As soon as i think ruby fbcon development is not  toothache
i build secondary linux box for remote debuging and start
the work :)

Aivils

Re: Debian Sarge X works for (b)ruby...

[Svetoslav S. <sv...@gm...>]

> Hi all!
> I don't recall seeing a report here on the actual
> use of the Debian Sarge xserver-xfree8
> 4.3.0.dfsg.1-4 (the XFree86 X server). It has the
> "singel card" and "prefbusid" patches in it so no
> patched X is needed anymore!
> 
> I saw Ketjil's announcement that it was coming out...
> 
> Wel, it works like a champ... except... the
> syntax is a little different: cmdline is
> -isolateDevice <pci address> and the config file
> is IsolateDevice.
> The pci device must be like specified as per
> BusId, e.g. "PCI:1:0:0" (with the quotes).
> 
> That had me stumped for a while.

i've added some notes in the howto,
but they are way to little 
and i can not find to update it
:(
http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/XFree-Local-multi-user-HOWTO/mod_xserver_prefbusid.html

so any patches regarding this (and other issues)
against the cvs version @ tldp are gladly wellcome

> That means that soon (?) Debian stable will have
>  X available for multiusers without having to use
> patches.
> 
> I run TNT2 on :0, MX-440 on :1 and patched 2.4.26
> with Debian Sarge.
> 
> That MX-440 is a year old now and it is a pain:
> the fan makes noise now upon cold boot.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Hugo
> 

best,

svetljo

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Re: Fwd: Re: [Xorg] Multi-user systems

[Svetoslav S. <sv...@gm...>]

> Hi all,
>    I have a product like this, with VGA SiS300/305 AGP on board, 2 Nvidia
> TNT2 
> and ViaC3 processor. But I had trouble with the Nvidia drivers and OpenGL(
> I 
> disabled it on KDE). The worse is my English to write messages. Soon I (or
> We) will show this product too.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Celso.Silva
nice :-)

waiting for links and photos 

best,

svetljo

> 
> Em Seg 06 Set 2004 06:49, Svetoslav Slavtchev escreveu:
> > Hi all,
> > that looks interesting
> > don't you think :-)
> >
> > only in portugues tought (except the pictures :-)
> > http://www.insignesoftware.com/produtos/sixsystem.php
> >
> > best,
> >
> > svetljo
> >
> > --- Weitergeleitete Nachricht / Forwarded Message ---
> > Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 11:40:00 +0200 (MEST)
> > From: "Svetoslav Slavtchev" <sv...@gm...>
> > To: Alexandre Penasso Teixeira <ate...@in...>
> > Subject: Re: [Xorg] Multi-user systems
> >
> > > Hi Svetoslav and staff,
> >
> > Hi Alexandre,
> >
> > > I am sending this email to inform you that the multi-head system is
> > > operational and with 6 16/32MB TNT2 M64 nVidia cards with GDM and all.
> >
> > that's great news
> > very happy to hear it :-)
> >
> > > I would like start using the 2.6.x kernel for this project. Is there
> any
> > > information for a patch for bruby or a src.rpm package on the subject?
> >
> > it's not bruby it's ruby :-)
> > you can checkout latest code from linuxconsole's cvs
> >
> > or there are patches extracted from cvs
> > for linux-2.6.1 till 2.6.8.1 here
> > http://www.saring.de/derdani/ruby/index.html
> >
> > i have (quite havy) patched src.rpm's for Mandrake
> > which teoretically should work on any distro
> > my latest src.rpm is based on linux-2.6.7
> > and is available on any Mandrake-cooker (devel version) mirror
> > just get kernel-multimedia-2.6.7-....src.rpm
> > and rebuild it with :
> > rpm --rebuild [kernel src.rpm] --with ruby
> >
> > my curent i-net storage is at :
> > http://mandrake.contactel.cz/people/svetljo/mandrake/
> > or
> > ftp://mandrake.contactel.cz/people/svetljo/mandrake/
> >
> > there you can find older kernel (no)src.rpm's
> > and patched xorg rpms for Mandrake
> >
> >
> > best,
> >
> > svetljo
> >
> > > The used distribution is Insigne GNU/Linux - Zino 3.0.
> > > Yours truly
> > >
> > > Alexandre Penasso Teixeira
> > >
> > > Em Qua, 2004-07-07 Ã s 20:55, Svetoslav Slavtchev escreveu:
> > > > > Here's a real reason to make multi-user work...
> > > > >
> > > > > Kracs writes "HP are supplying their low-cost multi-user 441
> desktops
> > > > > to African schools. Running Mandrake Linux, and sporting four
> screens
> > > > > (1xTNT2 AGP, 3xTNT2 PCI), keyboards and mice (1 PS2 set, 3 USB
> sets)
> > > > > they provide relatively cheap computer access for up to four users
> > > > > (of particular interest to schools in low economic zones).
> However,
> > > > > according to this article on New Zealand's Xtra news page they've
> > > > > only manufactured enough to outfit schools in South Africa. HP has
> > >
> > > commented
> > >
> > > > > that they're talking to several organisations and are hoping to
> bring
> > > > > the PC to market in other regions but have stated they will only
> be
> > > > > marketed to developing countries." (Remember, there are also
> > >
> > > home-grown
> > >
> > > > > methods to achieve similar results.)
> >
> >
>
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/07/07/0217255&mode=nested&tid=147&tid
> >=187
> >
> > > > > http://xtramsn.co.nz/news/0,,3782-3495250,00.html
> > > > > http://h40058.www4.hp.com/products/desktops/441/prod_info.html
> > > > >
> > > > :-)
> > > >
> > > > have someone missed my request to merge a patch included in
> > > > Mandrake cooker & Debian sarge ?
> > > >
> > > > it would be really nice if you could include it, till the other
> > > > big changes take
> > > > place
> >
> >
>
http://cvs.mandrakesoft.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/SPECS/xorg-x11/Xorg-6.7.0-is
> >olate_device.patch?rev=1.1&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup
> >
> > > > some more related links :
> > > >
> > > > The Linux Console Project
> > > > http://linuxconsole.sourceforge.net
> > > >
> > > > The Backstreet Ruby home page
> > > > http://startx.times.lv/
> > > >
> > > > a HOWTO by me
> > > > http://tldp.org/HOWTO/XFree-Local-multi-user-HOWTO/
> > > >
> > > > best,
> > > >
> > > > svetljo
> >
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Ruby on laptops or video over USB

[yitzhak b. g. <yit...@ya...>]

Implementing Ruby requires PCI/AGP slots.
Think what could be done on devices which have no AGP
or PCI slots like laptops.
Any idea how we could implement Ruby by directing the
video stream directly to USB and from there converting
to VGA with an external adapter. Here's an example:
http://www.usbgear.com/USBG-SVGA2.html
This works by forwarding the PCI requests to a video
controler on the device. Question is whether there is
a soution which bypasses the PCI bus and outputs
directly to USB.
Yitzhak Bar Geva

db of (b)ruby users

[Hugo V. <hvw...@ya...>]

Hi!

My latest efforts with 2.6.8.1 made me want to see a
db of users, to see if what I have is matched
somewhere.

Is that a good idea? Does it exist already?

I started one, with myself in it:
http://esquipulas.homeunix.com/rubydb.html
or
http://esquipulas.homeunix.com

But that is on my own machine which is on a dialup
line, since broadband is not coming to Esquipulas
anytime soon...

If anyone volunteers a better server, I would be happy
to maintain the db if you send your data to this list
or to my email address...

Hugo




		
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Re: trying 2.6.8.1

[Helge H. <hel...@hi...>]

Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

>Hi,
>
>Thanks Aivils!!!
>
>I tried vanilla linus WITHOUT the patch and that
>works.
>
>So I guess the patch is dead.
>
>Unrelated to Ruby but to 2.6.x: I used to get great
>fonts by setting the fonts to sun12x22 and vga=794.
>That font would beat SVGATextMode on 2.4.x.
>  
>
The framebuffer parameters changed in 2.6.  You can still
set resolution, color depth and frequencies, but the command
line parameters are different.  See the directory Documentation/fb
and the file for your card. 
The kernel parameters for a matrox framebuffer is like this:
video=matroxfb:vesa:0x1BB

One reason for this is support for machines with several
framebuffers - it is now possible to specify parameters for
each of them on the kernel command line. "vga=" didn't do that.

Helge Hafting

Re: trying 2.6.8.1 - again

[Hugo V. <hvw...@ya...>]

--- Aivils <ai...@un...> wrote:

Right! Runs outer space for me too, got 1280x1024 +
sun12x22 again! But NOT with the Ruby patch!

Why is that? My BIOS + TNT2 AGP + 2.6.8.1 Ruby won't
work? I get the penguin but garbage on the screen and
everything hangs :-(

Hugo


> 
> For me runs outer space fb driver vesafb-tng
> http://dev.gentoo.org/~spock/
> This patch goes over ruby cleanly. Be careful with
> this one.
> Some users report strange errors like gcc segfault
> and so on.
> Also it will not run on SMP systems.
> 
> Aivils
> 



		
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Re: trying 2.6.8.1

[Hugo V. <hvw...@ya...>]

Hi,

Thanks Aivils!!!

I tried vanilla linus WITHOUT the patch and that
works.

So I guess the patch is dead.

Unrelated to Ruby but to 2.6.x: I used to get great
fonts by setting the fonts to sun12x22 and vga=794.
That font would beat SVGATextMode on 2.4.x.

But you cannot do that anymore! Now vga=x does nothing
although the item is checked on the kernel config.
Instead what you get is the font you check. That means
that vc console font under 2.6.x is ALWAYS worse than
with SVGATextMode...

Too bad.

Hugo

--- Aivils <ai...@un...> wrote:

> On Wednesday 08 September 2004 22:20, Hugo
> Vanwoerkom wrote:

...

> 
> In theory You may use CVS repositary
> cvs
>
-d:pserver:ano...@cv...:/cvsroot/linuxconsole
> login
>  
> cvs -z3
>
-d:pserver:ano...@cv...:/cvsroot/linuxconsole
> co ruby
> 

...

> 
> vga=normal ?
> 
> > Both times just got a blank screen.
> 
> If You cannot see VGA output , then 2.6.XX is not
> for You :)
> 
> > Am I dead with those nVidia cards? Or am I doing
> the
> > kernel wrong?
> 
> Fortunately input only layer is done with
> "unserious" work,
> work done by James during year 2001.
> Unfortunately framebuffer console ask for "serious"
> work.
> 
> From 2.6.0 to 2.6.8 i lost all 3 fbdev drivers atifb
> sstfb tdfxfb.
> "lost" means drivers will not work.
> fbdev driver debug is not very fascinating idea.
> 
> For me runs outer space fb driver vesafb-tng
> http://dev.gentoo.org/~spock/
> This patch goes over ruby cleanly. Be careful with
> this one.
> Some users report strange errors like gcc segfault
> and so on.
> Also it will not run on SMP systems.
> 
> Aivils
> 
> 
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Re: trying 2.6.8.1

[Aivils <ai...@un...>]

On Wednesday 08 September 2004 22:20, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> Hi!
>=20
> After trying 2.6.0 last October and getting nowhere, I
> decided to try 2.6.8.1 + patch found here:
> http://www.saring.de/derdani/ruby/patch-2.6.8.1-ruby.bz2

In theory You may use CVS repositary
cvs -d:pserver:ano...@cv...:/cvsroot/linuxconsole login
=20
cvs -z3 -d:pserver:ano...@cv...:/cvsroot/linuxconsole co r=
uby

> I have:
> PCI:*(1:0:0) nVidia Corporation NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2
> Model 64/Model 64 Pro]
> and:
> PCI:*(0:11:0) nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440
> AGP 8x]
>=20
> Compiled the kernel on Debian Sarge with:
>=20
> <snip>
> #
> # Graphics support
> #
> CONFIG_FB=3Dy
> ....
> CONFIG_FB_VGA16=3Dy
> CONFIG_FB_VESA=3Dy
> CONFIG_VIDEO_SELECT=3Dy
> # CONFIG_FB_HGA is not set
> CONFIG_FB_RIVA=3Dy
> CONFIG_FB_RIVA_I2C=3Dy
> ....
>=20
> #
> # Console display driver support
> #
> CONFIG_VGA_CONSOLE=3Dy
> # CONFIG_MDA_CONSOLE is not set
> CONFIG_DUMMY_CONSOLE=3Dy
> CONFIG_FRAMEBUFFER_CONSOLE=3Dy
> CONFIG_FONTS=3Dy
> ....
> CONFIG_FONT_SUN12x22=3Dy
>=20
> #
> # Logo configuration
> #
> CONFIG_LOGO=3Dy
> CONFIG_LOGO_LINUX_MONO=3Dy
> CONFIG_LOGO_LINUX_VGA16=3Dy
> CONFIG_LOGO_LINUX_CLUT224=3Dy
> <snip>
>=20
> and booted with:
> append=3D" hdc=3Dide-scsi apm=3Don video=3Dvesa:font:SUN12x22"
> vga=3D794
> =20
> and also with just:
> vga=3D794

vga=3Dnormal ?

> Both times just got a blank screen.

If You cannot see VGA output , then 2.6.XX is not for You :)

> Am I dead with those nVidia cards? Or am I doing the
> kernel wrong?

=46ortunately input only layer is done with "unserious" work,
work done by James during year 2001.
Unfortunately framebuffer console ask for "serious" work.

=46rom 2.6.0 to 2.6.8 i lost all 3 fbdev drivers atifb sstfb tdfxfb.
"lost" means drivers will not work.
fbdev driver debug is not very fascinating idea.

=46or me runs outer space fb driver vesafb-tng
http://dev.gentoo.org/~spock/
This patch goes over ruby cleanly. Be careful with this one.
Some users report strange errors like gcc segfault and so on.
Also it will not run on SMP systems.

Aivils

trying 2.6.8.1

[Hugo V. <hvw...@ya...>]

Hi!

After trying 2.6.0 last October and getting nowhere, I
decided to try 2.6.8.1 + patch found here:
http://www.saring.de/derdani/ruby/patch-2.6.8.1-ruby.bz2

I have:
PCI:*(1:0:0) nVidia Corporation NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2
Model 64/Model 64 Pro]
and:
PCI:*(0:11:0) nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440
AGP 8x]

Compiled the kernel on Debian Sarge with:

<snip>
#
# Graphics support
#
CONFIG_FB=y
...
CONFIG_FB_VGA16=y
CONFIG_FB_VESA=y
CONFIG_VIDEO_SELECT=y
# CONFIG_FB_HGA is not set
CONFIG_FB_RIVA=y
CONFIG_FB_RIVA_I2C=y
...

#
# Console display driver support
#
CONFIG_VGA_CONSOLE=y
# CONFIG_MDA_CONSOLE is not set
CONFIG_DUMMY_CONSOLE=y
CONFIG_FRAMEBUFFER_CONSOLE=y
CONFIG_FONTS=y
...
CONFIG_FONT_SUN12x22=y

#
# Logo configuration
#
CONFIG_LOGO=y
CONFIG_LOGO_LINUX_MONO=y
CONFIG_LOGO_LINUX_VGA16=y
CONFIG_LOGO_LINUX_CLUT224=y
<snip>

and booted with:
append=" hdc=ide-scsi apm=on video=vesa:font:SUN12x22"
vga=794
 
and also with just:
vga=794

Both times just got a blank screen.
Am I dead with those nVidia cards? Or am I doing the
kernel wrong?

Thanks!

Hugo.
















		
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Debian Sarge X works for (b)ruby...

[hugo v. <hug...@ca...>]

Hi all!
I don't recall seeing a report here on the actual
use of the Debian Sarge xserver-xfree8
4.3.0.dfsg.1-4 (the XFree86 X server). It has the
"singel card" and "prefbusid" patches in it so no
patched X is needed anymore!

I saw Ketjil's announcement that it was coming out...

Wel, it works like a champ... except... the
syntax is a little different: cmdline is
-isolateDevice <pci address> and the config file
is IsolateDevice.
The pci device must be like specified as per
BusId, e.g. "PCI:1:0:0" (with the quotes).

That had me stumped for a while.

That means that soon (?) Debian stable will have
 X available for multiusers without having to use
patches.

I run TNT2 on :0, MX-440 on :1 and patched 2.4.26
with Debian Sarge.

That MX-440 is a year old now and it is a pain:
the fan makes noise now upon cold boot.

Regards,

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Re: Fwd: Re: [Xorg] Multi-user systems

[celso S. <lu...@it...>]

Hi all,
   I have a product like this, with VGA SiS300/305 AGP on board, 2 Nvidia T=
NT2=20
and ViaC3 processor. But I had trouble with the Nvidia drivers and OpenGL( =
I=20
disabled it on KDE). The worse is my English to write messages. Soon I (or=
=20
We) will show this product too.

Best,

Celso.Silva


Em Seg 06 Set 2004 06:49, Svetoslav Slavtchev escreveu:
> Hi all,
> that looks interesting
> don't you think :-)
>
> only in portugues tought (except the pictures :-)
> http://www.insignesoftware.com/produtos/sixsystem.php
>
> best,
>
> svetljo
>
> --- Weitergeleitete Nachricht / Forwarded Message ---
> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 11:40:00 +0200 (MEST)
> From: "Svetoslav Slavtchev" <sv...@gm...>
> To: Alexandre Penasso Teixeira <ate...@in...>
> Subject: Re: [Xorg] Multi-user systems
>
> > Hi Svetoslav and staff,
>
> Hi Alexandre,
>
> > I am sending this email to inform you that the multi-head system is
> > operational and with 6 16/32MB TNT2 M64 nVidia cards with GDM and all.
>
> that's great news
> very happy to hear it :-)
>
> > I would like start using the 2.6.x kernel for this project. Is there any
> > information for a patch for bruby or a src.rpm package on the subject?
>
> it's not bruby it's ruby :-)
> you can checkout latest code from linuxconsole's cvs
>
> or there are patches extracted from cvs
> for linux-2.6.1 till 2.6.8.1 here
> http://www.saring.de/derdani/ruby/index.html
>
> i have (quite havy) patched src.rpm's for Mandrake
> which teoretically should work on any distro
> my latest src.rpm is based on linux-2.6.7
> and is available on any Mandrake-cooker (devel version) mirror
> just get kernel-multimedia-2.6.7-....src.rpm
> and rebuild it with :
> rpm --rebuild [kernel src.rpm] --with ruby
>
> my curent i-net storage is at :
> http://mandrake.contactel.cz/people/svetljo/mandrake/
> or
> ftp://mandrake.contactel.cz/people/svetljo/mandrake/
>
> there you can find older kernel (no)src.rpm's
> and patched xorg rpms for Mandrake
>
>
> best,
>
> svetljo
>
> > The used distribution is Insigne GNU/Linux - Zino 3.0.
> > Yours truly
> >
> > Alexandre Penasso Teixeira
> >
> > Em Qua, 2004-07-07 =C3 s 20:55, Svetoslav Slavtchev escreveu:
> > > > Here's a real reason to make multi-user work...
> > > >
> > > > Kracs writes "HP are supplying their low-cost multi-user 441 deskto=
ps
> > > > to African schools. Running Mandrake Linux, and sporting four scree=
ns
> > > > (1xTNT2 AGP, 3xTNT2 PCI), keyboards and mice (1 PS2 set, 3 USB sets)
> > > > they provide relatively cheap computer access for up to four users
> > > > (of particular interest to schools in low economic zones). However,
> > > > according to this article on New Zealand's Xtra news page they've
> > > > only manufactured enough to outfit schools in South Africa. HP has
> >
> > commented
> >
> > > > that they're talking to several organisations and are hoping to bri=
ng
> > > > the PC to market in other regions but have stated they will only be
> > > > marketed to developing countries." (Remember, there are also
> >
> > home-grown
> >
> > > > methods to achieve similar results.)
>
> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=3D04/07/07/0217255&mode=3Dnested&tid=
=3D147&tid
>=3D187
>
> > > > http://xtramsn.co.nz/news/0,,3782-3495250,00.html
> > > > http://h40058.www4.hp.com/products/desktops/441/prod_info.html
> > > >
> > > :-)
> > >
> > > have someone missed my request to merge a patch included in
> > > Mandrake cooker & Debian sarge ?
> > >
> > > it would be really nice if you could include it, till the other
> > > big changes take
> > > place
>
> http://cvs.mandrakesoft.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/SPECS/xorg-x11/Xorg-6.7.0-=
is
>olate_device.patch?rev=3D1.1&content-type=3Dtext/x-cvsweb-markup
>
> > > some more related links :
> > >
> > > The Linux Console Project
> > > http://linuxconsole.sourceforge.net
> > >
> > > The Backstreet Ruby home page
> > > http://startx.times.lv/
> > >
> > > a HOWTO by me
> > > http://tldp.org/HOWTO/XFree-Local-multi-user-HOWTO/
> > >
> > > best,
> > >
> > > svetljo
>
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Fwd: Re: [Xorg] Multi-user systems

[Svetoslav S. <sv...@gm...>]

Hi all,
that looks interesting
don't you think :-)

only in portugues tought (except the pictures :-)
http://www.insignesoftware.com/produtos/sixsystem.php

best,

svetljo

--- Weitergeleitete Nachricht / Forwarded Message ---
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 11:40:00 +0200 (MEST)
From: "Svetoslav Slavtchev" <sv...@gm...>
To: Alexandre Penasso Teixeira <ate...@in...>
Subject: Re: [Xorg] Multi-user systems

> Hi Svetoslav and staff,

Hi Alexandre,

> 
> I am sending this email to inform you that the multi-head system is
> operational and with 6 16/32MB TNT2 M64 nVidia cards with GDM and all.

that's great news 
very happy to hear it :-)
 
> I would like start using the 2.6.x kernel for this project. Is there any
> information for a patch for bruby or a src.rpm package on the subject? 

it's not bruby it's ruby :-)
you can checkout latest code from linuxconsole's cvs

or there are patches extracted from cvs 
for linux-2.6.1 till 2.6.8.1 here
http://www.saring.de/derdani/ruby/index.html
 
i have (quite havy) patched src.rpm's for Mandrake
which teoretically should work on any distro
my latest src.rpm is based on linux-2.6.7
and is available on any Mandrake-cooker (devel version) mirror
just get kernel-multimedia-2.6.7-....src.rpm
and rebuild it with :
rpm --rebuild [kernel src.rpm] --with ruby

my curent i-net storage is at :
http://mandrake.contactel.cz/people/svetljo/mandrake/
or
ftp://mandrake.contactel.cz/people/svetljo/mandrake/

there you can find older kernel (no)src.rpm's
and patched xorg rpms for Mandrake


best,

svetljo

> The used distribution is Insigne GNU/Linux - Zino 3.0.
> Yours truly
> 
> Alexandre Penasso Teixeira
> 
> 
> 
> Em Qua, 2004-07-07 Ã s 20:55, Svetoslav Slavtchev escreveu:
> > > Here's a real reason to make multi-user work...
> > > 
> > > Kracs writes "HP are supplying their low-cost multi-user 441 desktops
> > > to African schools. Running Mandrake Linux, and sporting four screens
> > > (1xTNT2 AGP, 3xTNT2 PCI), keyboards and mice (1 PS2 set, 3 USB sets)
> > > they provide relatively cheap computer access for up to four users (of
> > > particular interest to schools in low economic zones). However,
> > > according to this article on New Zealand's Xtra news page they've only
> > > manufactured enough to outfit schools in South Africa. HP has
> commented
> > > that they're talking to several organisations and are hoping to bring
> > > the PC to market in other regions but have stated they will only be
> > > marketed to developing countries." (Remember, there are also
> home-grown
> > > methods to achieve similar results.)
> > > 
> > >
>
>
>
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/07/07/0217255&mode=nested&tid=147&tid=187
> > > http://xtramsn.co.nz/news/0,,3782-3495250,00.html
> > > http://h40058.www4.hp.com/products/desktops/441/prod_info.html
> > 
> > :-)
> > 
> > have someone missed my request to merge a patch included in 
> > Mandrake cooker & Debian sarge ?
> > 
> > it would be really nice if you could include it, till the other
> > big changes take
> > place
>
>
>
http://cvs.mandrakesoft.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/SPECS/xorg-x11/Xorg-6.7.0-isolate_device.patch?rev=1.1&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup
> > 
> > some more related links :
> > 
> > The Linux Console Project
> > http://linuxconsole.sourceforge.net
> > 
> > The Backstreet Ruby home page
> > http://startx.times.lv/
> > 
> > a HOWTO by me
> > http://tldp.org/HOWTO/XFree-Local-multi-user-HOWTO/
> > 
> > best,
> > 
> > svetljo
> 

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Re: Announce: brief HowTo in german

[Michael R. <mic...@gm...>]

On Thursday 02 September 2004 21:24, hugo vanwoerkom wrote:
> Hi!

Moin,

> Sorry if this is outdated or already said, but I
> just noted the HOWTO says to use
> deb     http://www.schuldei.org/debian/bruby ./
> for the patched X server.
>
> However Ketjil posted on 5/11 that Debian Sarge
> now has the patch already in it as IsolateDevice.
> It would mean that you only have to worry about
> the kernel changes on Debian...

oh, this is new to me. I updated my howto.
Beside that: I'm back from the KDE developer conference and back from 
vacation. So I can start to rewrite some of the sections, test some features 
out and make more noise about this. I run a Local-Multiuser-X PC (is there a 
more memorable term?) at a scientific conference. A pentium 4 with 1GB RAM 
and 4 Nvidia cards. Beside the fact that the mouses belongs to other screens 
sometime after a reboot everything was fine, fast and without any problem!

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Re: Announce: brief HowTo in german

[hugo v. <hug...@ca...>]

Hi!

Sorry if this is outdated or already said, but I
just noted the HOWTO says to use
deb     http://www.schuldei.org/debian/bruby ./
for the patched X server.

However Ketjil posted on 5/11 that Debian Sarge
now has the patch already in it as IsolateDevice.
It would mean that you only have to worry about
the kernel changes on Debian...

Regards,

Hugo



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Solved Re: Can someone point me towards a fix for this...?

[James v. Z. <ja...@dv...>]

Problem solved...el stupido typo in /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf impacting the
third server.

doh

:-)

J

On Thu, 2004-08-26 at 01:12, James van Zeeland wrote:
> > Please try before gdm starts commad
> > X -probeonly -layout noprefbusid
> > 
> 
> I am letting rhgb (graphical X boot) use a three card config for this,
> so that's already happenning, all three cards, all OK...
> The third X server still fails to produce a login when gdm starts after
> rhgb closes. Three X servers work fine if you launch the third one
> manually with startx. It doesn't seem to matter the order cards are
> init. This is the first time I've seen an issue like it.
> 
> I shall try some new nv drivers (still 6106, here) and a few other
> configs and post back.
> 
> Perhaps I should try a PCI BIOS Primary?
> 
> I am fairly certain it isn't a usual "card isn't init" problem as I have
> three ruby machines here and have found using rhgb to perform the
> multi-card video init very effective, not to mention convenient.
> 
> Nevertheless, I shall try dropping a script in to close rhgb early and
> perform the -probeonly video init.
> 
> J
> 
> On Thu, 2004-08-26 at 01:21, Aivils wrote:
> > On Monday 23 August 2004 17:14, James van Zeeland wrote:
> > > 3 consoles, custom ruby kernel 2.6.7 merged with con kolivas and
> > > stanford uni's planet ccrma patchsets plus a heap of usb fixes and
> > > whatnot. Fedora Core 2
> > > 
> > > Athlon 2600+ 7NNXP 1Gb (nForce2)
> > > 
> > > 1 x AGP console FX5200
> > > 2 x PCI console GF4MX440
> > > 
> > > using three servers defined in gdm.conf, console 1 starts OK, console 2
> > > starts OK, console three however does the following.
> > > X server starts and we have mouse action, but gdm doesn't start. After a
> > > bit of a wait, it closes and restarts. The restart is not frequent
> > > enough to get the usual "failed to start, will disable until correctly
> > > configured." dialogue
> > > 
> > > What's interesting is that if I disable the third server in gdm, drop to
> > > console and "startx -- :2 -layout PCI-Console2 -audit 0 vt19",
> > > everything starts fine, and I have three consoles.
> > > 
> > > If I change the init order of the PCI X servers, it's always the third
> > > server that fails. Problem with gdm?
> > > 
> > > I am glad for the patch page, I was considering doing that myself...
> > 
> > Please try before gdm starts commad
> > X -probeonly -layout noprefbusid
> > where noprefbusid is unrestricted xf86, which can use all video
> > adapters. This is necessary for proper multiple Nvidia adapters init.
> > 
> > Aivils
> > 
> 
> 
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