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From: Eric S. R. <es...@th...> - 2000-03-14 16:16:33
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James A Simmons <jsi...@ac...>: > Yes. I have a test plus their was some problem with fbdev breaking > some things. Since 2.4.X is so close it will be removed. Post the patches > on the kernel mailing list. Have peopel try them and then send them to > linus. It has bug fixes so it will go over big with Linus. Will do. -- <a href="http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr">Eric S. Raymond</a> The United States is in no way founded upon the Christian religion -- George Washington & John Adams, in a diplomatic message to Malta. |
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From: James A S. <jsi...@ac...> - 2000-03-14 16:12:14
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On Mon, 13 Mar 2000, Eric S. Raymond wrote: > Hello? Hello? Is anyone alive out there? > > Is anybody testing the Sapphire and Emerald release candidates? > We don't have much time left if we want to get the bugfix version > into 4.0. Yes. I have a test plus their was some problem with fbdev breaking some things. Since 2.4.X is so close it will be removed. Post the patches on the kernel mailing list. Have peopel try them and then send them to linus. It has bug fixes so it will go over big with Linus. "Look its a text editor, no its a OS, no its Emacs" James Simmons (o_ fbdev/gfx developer (o_ (o_ //\ http://www.linux-fbdev.org (/)_ (/)_ V_/_ http://linuxgfx.sourceforge.net |
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From: Pauli O. <pau...@ho...> - 2000-03-14 15:13:55
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_I'm sorry if this is not relevant_. As there's no differences between ps2 mouse and keyboard ports I think you should keep in mind the possibility that there may some day be several inputs for the multihead console. I.e. two user workstations. thank you. (i'm not on the list) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com |
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From: Brad D. <br...@ne...> - 2000-03-14 14:23:08
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-----Original Message----- From: Kirk Reiser <ki...@br...> > >Well, I cannot seem to get the stuff out of the bloody archive. The >cvs summary page says the module is linuxconsole but cvs tells me >there is no such module. Seems to me there should be more than one >module any with three different versions. Clews? Clews? Does anyone >have any clews? I didn't have CVS installed on my computer (or the time to install it), so I just used the patches Eric attached to the list. I have more time today, so I'll install CVS and check it out. Thanks, Brad Douglas br...@ne... http://www.linux-fbdev.org |
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From: Kirk R. <ki...@br...> - 2000-03-14 13:04:19
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Well, I cannot seem to get the stuff out of the bloody archive. The cvs summary page says the module is linuxconsole but cvs tells me there is no such module. Seems to me there should be more than one module any with three different versions. Clews? Clews? Does anyone have any clews? Kirk -- Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility e-mail: ki...@br... University of Western Ontario phone: (519) 661-3061 |
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From: Eric S. R. <es...@th...> - 2000-03-14 06:32:25
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Brad Douglas <Br...@NE...>: > I've been testing the Emerald patch on my PPC all night. I haven't done any > specific testing for the console, but everything seems in order. I know a > few of us are busy trying to crank out the fbdev patches for 2.4.x... It's > probably why the list kinda died. It's up to James to decide when to ship Sapphire and Emerald. But I'm trying to nudge people into testing so we can do it soon. I've given Sapphire a pretty good workout, so far. -- <a href="http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr">Eric S. Raymond</a> Love your country, but never trust its government. -- Robert A. Heinlein. |
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From: Brad D. <Br...@NE...> - 2000-03-14 05:02:48
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> -----Original Message----- > From: Eric S. Raymond [mailto:es...@th...] > > Hello? Hello? Is anyone alive out there? > > Is anybody testing the Sapphire and Emerald release candidates? > We don't have much time left if we want to get the bugfix version > into 4.0. Hello, I've been testing the Emerald patch on my PPC all night. I haven't done any specific testing for the console, but everything seems in order. I know a few of us are busy trying to crank out the fbdev patches for 2.4.x... It's probably why the list kinda died. Brad Douglas br...@ne... http://www.linux-fbdev.org |
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From: Tony N. <to...@gr...> - 2000-03-14 02:48:46
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On Fri Mar 10 2000 at 22:05, James Simmons wrote:
> > I've heard that the sysRq key is supposed to help. compile in "magic sysRq
> > key" support in the kernel, then press Alt-SysRq-{some letter which i
> > forgot}.
>
> Alt-SysRq-K
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> > i never got it working, cause i haven't had the problem and the
> > sysRq key at the same time, but *tell me if you get it working* I would very
> > much like to have the procedure for this figured out.
less /usr/src/linux/Documentation/sysrq.txt
echo 1 > /proc/sys/kernel/sysrq
On redhat systems, in /etc/sysconfig/init you can change:
MAGIC_SYSRQ=no
to
MAGIC_SYSRQ=yes
But where it is set in /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit it doesn't actually turn
this on - it only turns it off. I'm not sure what the bootup default
is, but if it is "0" then it is off. It needs to be "1" to be enabled.
The sysrq.txt file tells you how to use it from there.
It's a way cool feature. I used to use a "SAK patch" (Secure
Attention Key) on older kernels, but it is now a part of the kernel
with added functionality. This has got me out of several situations
where I would otherwise had to do a hard reboot because of a crashed
graphics app and the keyboard driver left in raw mode.
Beware though - this tweak is _not_ for beginners who don't know what
they are doing.
Cheers
Tony
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From: Eric S. R. <es...@th...> - 2000-03-13 23:42:46
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Dominik Kubla <dom...@un...>: > Well, i am already working on "Ruby", since 2.3.51 will not work > on any of my systems for various reasons... Hopefully 2.3.52 > will bring at least enable my laptop to test the stuff, i am just > now compiling 2.3.52-2 to see if there are any improvements. Would *somebody* besides me please test Sapphire and Emerald? Otherwise we won't know tthat we can ship them. -- <a href="http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr">Eric S. Raymond</a> "Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom." -- John F. Kennedy |
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From: Eric S. R. <es...@th...> - 2000-03-13 23:41:23
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Kirk Reiser <ki...@br...>: > Could you provide a short description on how to check them out? I > don't think I have the address and stuff quite right. See <http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=3063>. -- <a href="http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr">Eric S. Raymond</a> What, then is law [government]? It is the collective organization of the individual right to lawful defense." -- Frederic Bastiat, "The Law" |
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From: Kirk R. <ki...@br...> - 2000-03-13 23:18:22
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Could you provide a short description on how to check them out? I don't think I have the address and stuff quite right. Kirk -- Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility e-mail: ki...@br... University of Western Ontario phone: (519) 661-3061 |
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From: Dominik K. <dom...@un...> - 2000-03-13 23:17:53
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On Mon, Mar 13, 2000 at 05:34:10PM -0500, Eric S. Raymond wrote: > Hello? Hello? Is anyone alive out there? > > Is anybody testing the Sapphire and Emerald release candidates? > We don't have much time left if we want to get the bugfix version > into 4.0. Well, i am already working on "Ruby", since 2.3.51 will not work on any of my systems for various reasons... Hopefully 2.3.52 will bring at least enable my laptop to test the stuff, i am just now compiling 2.3.52-2 to see if there are any improvements. Dominik -- Networking Group, Hospital of Johannes Gutenberg-University Obere Zahlbacher Straße 69, 55101 Mainz, Germany Tel: +49 (0)6131 17-2482 FAX: +49 (0)6131 17-5521 |
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From: Eric S. R. <es...@th...> - 2000-03-13 22:34:13
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Hello? Hello? Is anyone alive out there? Is anybody testing the Sapphire and Emerald release candidates? We don't have much time left if we want to get the bugfix version into 4.0. -- <a href="http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr">Eric S. Raymond</a> Love your country, but never trust its government. -- Robert A. Heinlein. |
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From: Steffen S. <s.s...@ph...> - 2000-03-13 08:44:02
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James Simmons wrote: > > My question didn't get answered, tho... Or maybe I'm using the wrong > > definition of console: Can there be two active consoles at the same time > > (in the instance of multi-head)? When I ask this, I'm thinking of say, > > kernel message output to console. > > I have though about that but have no answer. In a multihead system where > should printk go to. Any suggestion anyone ? KGI currently takes the <int console_printk_console> to send kernel messages to. There can be functions implemented to alter this variable, so that e.g. that VT-switches on the 'system console focus' make kernel messages appear on the currently active one. However, this is a policy decision. Steffen _______________________________________________________________________________ Steffen Seeger mailto:se...@ph... |
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From: Steffen S. <s.s...@ph...> - 2000-03-13 08:35:52
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Dominik Kubla wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 10, 2000 at 09:35:35AM -0500, James Simmons wrote: > > > > > Another desirable feature to add to the web page is per VC keymaps. i > > > remember chaning my keymap for dosemu, and screwing over some of my other > > > apps on other VC's because of it. > > > > I though about that. The question is should this be per keyboard or per > > VC. I really need to look at the solaris driver for /dev/kbd. I think they > > Per VC definitely! We need per VC keymaps and charsets (Yuk!) for true > DEC VT compatibility if we ever want to go higher than vt102. From vt220 > on there are "user-defined keys" and "downloadable charsets". You wouldn't > want an application on tty1 to redefine the keymap and charset for ttyX. > There are even security implications here! These are like user-defined function keys? E.g. fixed set of keys but you can define the characters they send on press/release? Could you give some more details on that? Steffen _______________________________________________________________________________ Steffen Seeger mailto:se...@ph... |
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From: Steffen S. <s.s...@ph...> - 2000-03-13 08:33:17
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James Simmons wrote: > > > Another desirable feature to add to the web page is per VC keymaps. i > > remember chaning my keymap for dosemu, and screwing over some of my other > > apps on other VC's because of it. > > I though about that. The question is should this be per keyboard or per > VC. It could be per keyboard, or per input group (focus). KGI handles key translations per focus, so that several devices (keyboard, numpad) _can_ have the same translations. Of course there _may_ be device dependent translations too. This gives a per-focus consistent keymap. More details in the KGI documentation to come. Steffen _______________________________________________________________________________ Steffen Seeger mailto:se...@ph... |
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From: James S. <jsi...@ac...> - 2000-03-12 04:15:51
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> James, I'm having troubles with SourceForge's CVS. It's the weekend, so I'm > not expecting a quick response from their support guys. So here is my complete > current set of patches for you to check in. Done ;) |
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From: James S. <jsi...@ac...> - 2000-03-12 04:14:15
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Strange. I just tried it. It worked. I did what you did. I will see what it might be. Steffen or brad can you give it a try? "Look it's a text editor, no it's a OS, no it's Emacs" James Simmons ____/| fbdev/gfx developer \ o.O| http://www.linux-fbdev.org =(_)= http://linuxgfx.sourceforge.net U On Sat, 11 Mar 2000, Eric S. Raymond wrote: > SourceForge's checkout directions don't seem to work. |
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From: James S. <jsi...@ac...> - 2000-03-12 03:37:39
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On Sat, 11 Mar 2000, Eric S. Raymond wrote: > James Simmons <jsi...@ac...>: > > I don't knwo what to think about this. I do know I want the terminal > > emulation in a seperate file just for clean code. As for modularity that > > will have to be discussed with Linus and Alan. > > One step at a time. First we need to get them to take the initial bugfix > patches. Legitimize ourselves, as it were. Okay. "Look it's a text editor, no it's a OS, no it's Emacs" James Simmons ____/| fbdev/gfx developer \ o.O| http://www.linux-fbdev.org =(_)= http://linuxgfx.sourceforge.net U |
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From: Eric S. R. <es...@th...> - 2000-03-11 17:34:38
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James, I'm having troubles with SourceForge's CVS. It's the weekend, so I'm not expecting a quick response from their support guys. So here is my complete current set of patches for you to check in. -- <a href="http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr">Eric S. Raymond</a> To make inexpensive guns impossible to get is to say that you're putting a money test on getting a gun. It's racism in its worst form. -- Roy Innis, president of the Congress of Racial Equality (CORE), 1988 |
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From: Eric S. R. <es...@sn...> - 2000-03-11 17:11:53
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SourceForge's checkout directions don't seem to work. snark:~/WWW/linuxconsole$ echo $CVS_RSH /usr/bin/ssh snark:~/WWW/linuxconsole$ cvs -z3 -d...@cv...:/cvsroot/linuxconsole co sapphire es...@cv...urceforge.n's password: cvs checkout: warning: unrecognized response `' from cvs server cvs checkout: warning: unrecognized response `Welcome to cvs1.sourceforge.net' from cvs server cvs checkout: warning: unrecognized response `' from cvs server cvs checkout: warning: unrecognized response `This is a restricted Shell Account' from cvs server cvs checkout: warning: unrecognized response `You cannot execute anything here.' from cvs server cvs checkout: warning: unrecognized response `' from cvs server cvs [checkout aborted]: end of file from server (consult above messages if any) snark:~/WWW/linuxconsole$ Any ideas? -- <a href="http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr">Eric S. Raymond</a> The people of the various provinces are strictly forbidden to have in their possession any swords, short swords, bows, spears, firearms, or other types of arms. The possession of unnecessary implements makes difficult the collection of taxes and dues and tends to foment uprisings. -- Toyotomi Hideyoshi, dictator of Japan, August 1588 |
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From: Eric S. R. <es...@th...> - 2000-03-11 16:49:20
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James Simmons <jsi...@ac...>: > > On Sat, 11 Mar 2000, Eric S. Raymond wrote: > > > I now have *tested* and conditionalized patches against 2.2.14 and 2.3.51. > > We could ship these...but I'd like the rest of you to test them first. > > Okay. With vttest I assume. Yes. > Yes. I already have. Just modify the console code with your diff and place > it in CVS. I'll do it today and send the list a heads-up. -- <a href="http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr">Eric S. Raymond</a> "Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." -- Mohandas Gandhi |
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From: Eric S. R. <es...@th...> - 2000-03-11 16:44:16
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James Simmons <jsi...@ac...>: > I don't knwo what to think about this. I do know I want the terminal > emulation in a seperate file just for clean code. As for modularity that > will have to be discussed with Linus and Alan. One step at a time. First we need to get them to take the initial bugfix patches. Legitimize ourselves, as it were. -- <a href="http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr">Eric S. Raymond</a> The same applies for other kinds of long-lasting low-level pain. [...] The body's response to being jabbed, pierced, and cut is to produce endorphins. [...] So here's my programme for breaking that cycle of dependency on Windows: get left arm tattooed with dragon motif, buy a crate of Jamaican Hot! Pepper Sauce, get nipples pierced. With any luck that will produce enough endorphins to make Windows completely redundant, and I can then upgrade to Linux and get on with things. -- Pieter Hintjens |
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From: Christoph H. <chh...@gm...> - 2000-03-11 16:31:49
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Ok, I have thought a bit about a sensfull console subsystem. Here are my ideas:
The system should be layerd
1. Input/Output
- Framebuffer (/dev/fb/X)
- Input driver (Vojtechs new ones)
- Serial console (/dev/tts/*)
- Parallel printer (dev/lp/*)
2. Generic console layer, bundles I/O devices to heads
- /dev/con/X (tty)
- /dev/con/iX (input queue)
- /dev/con/sX (sound device, optional)
where X=0 is the current head
3. Virtual terminal multiplexer (in userlevel?)
- /dev/vc/X (tty)
- /dev/vc/iX (input queue)
- /dev/vc/sX (sound device, optional)
where X=0 is the current vt
How do you think about this ?
Christoph
--
Always remember that you are unique. Just like everyone else.
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From: Brad D. <Br...@NE...> - 2000-03-11 16:15:24
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> -----Original Message----- > From: James Simmons [mailto:jsi...@ac...] > > On Fri, 10 Mar 2000, Brad Midgley wrote: > > > another thing people want to see is mirroring to two > monitors (eg on a > > laptop with an external projector connected). it makes the > most sense to > > have the kernel doing it (rather than, say, trying to hack > X to drive two > > different framebuffers with the same image) > > Have the kernel handle this would be messy. Have a api that allows a > userland app to piece it together would be cleaner and easier > to manage. This should be handled by the low level driver. Not all cards support this (generally, only laptops do). I know with the ATI cards, it's a matter of flipping a register and doing some fixup. The same also applies with TV out. We could maybe add a new option to fbset to allow setting this. Thanks, Brad Douglas br...@ne... http://www.linux-fbdev.org |
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