Thread: RE: 1394 Licensing issues
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From: Mark K. <mk...@co...> - 2000-05-04 13:15:26
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Matt, I haven't read the licensing agreement from 1394LA, but I thought that historically these fees have been paid by the manufacturers of the silicon content, not the end-system/board manufacturers. If not, you get into multiple $0.25 payments for the same content. I.e. - I by a chip from someone who pays $0.25 to make the chip, and then I pay $0.25 to make a board, and then I sell that board to someone who adds software content and pays $0.25 to ship the board... Do you have any background/understanding in this area? Like you, I would certainly appreciate Mr. Wooten's input. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Matt Pujol [mailto:mat...@ls...] Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 4:38 PM To: Southwell Cc: lin...@li... Subject: Re: 1394 Licensing issues The 1394 Licensing Authority is the group to be dealt with - they are at www.1394la.com. They want $0.25USD for each end product sold. So, if you make a Linux 1394-enabled system, you have to participate in the 1394LA agreement. As for Open Source/GPL code, I've heard (I'm not sure where) that as long as no money changes hands, there's no royalty.....but that's just what I've heard, I'm sure Mr. Wooten will correct me if necessary. The question/issue is the same for MPEG-2....they have the same, if not worse licensing issues. Regards, Matt Southwell wrote: Can someone please tell me what the current position is on IEEE 1394 licensing issues as far as they affect the development and use of firewire under Linux. I am finding the current licensing situation quite confusing and am concerned to know that anyone using the IEEE 1394 support will not be landing themselves into a potentially difficult legal position.. Thanks David S. ----- Original Message ----- From: Matt Pujol To: lin...@li... Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 12:43 PM Subject: I need some info on driver development status Dear Linux-1394 Zealots, I will be giving an overview presentation on 1394 and Linux at the 1394 Developer's Conference in San Jose, June 20-22. I want to give an update on the state of the 1394 driver development, supported protocols, and future plans. This will be a great opportunity to give the activity of the the this development group some extra credibility and maybe get some more development support. So, please, everybody who's doing anything, let me know where you're at, what you lack, where you're going, and when you might get there with your development activity. I'll share the compilation of what I get with the reflector. Now for the blatant marketing plug.....If you are in the Bay Area on June 20-22, maybe at the Fairmont Hotel, and you have $795 to spare to learn everything you ever wanted to know about 1394...then come to the Developer's Conference!! Here's the link for more information http://www.1394ta.org/Events/DevCon/index.html . It's well worth it. Best regards and I expect to hear from each and every one of you...... Matt -- /*********************** Matt Pujol 1394 Product Marketing Manager LSI Logic 2001 Danfield Court Fort Collins, Co 80525 970-206-5816 mat...@ls... ***********************/ -- /*********************** Matt Pujol 1394 Product Marketing Manager LSI Logic 2001 Danfield Court Fort Collins, Co 80525 970-206-5816 mat...@ls... ***********************/ |
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From: hunter <hu...@ti...> - 2000-05-05 06:56:52
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At 06:15 AM 5/4/00 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: >Matt, > I haven't read the licensing agreement from 1394LA, but I thought that >historically these fees have been paid by the manufacturers of the silicon >content, not the end-system/board manufacturers. If not, you get into >multiple $0.25 payments for the same content. I.e. - I by a chip from >someone who pays $0.25 to make the chip, and then I pay $0.25 to make a >board, and then I sell that board to someone who adds software content and >pays $0.25 to ship the board... > > Do you have any background/understanding in this area? > > Like you, I would certainly appreciate Mr. Wooten's input. > >Mark Your reasoning is accurate -- the 25 cents is *per system* -- that is, if you add a 1394 board to your PC, or if you buy a PC with a 1394 chip, you've paid the fee. So there is no need to worry about the fee for drivers and low level software written for 1394 devices. The higher levels of software are a different topic. Almost all of the major AV algorithm producers have an agreement on pooling license fees (note the references to 61883 in www.1394la.com), but there is reputed to be one notable holdout on some patents. The situation there still needs some "clarification" -- as they say in the politician's handbook. Hunter >-----Original Message----- >From: Matt Pujol [mailto:mat...@ls...] >Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 4:38 PM >To: Southwell >Cc: lin...@li... >Subject: Re: 1394 Licensing issues > > >The 1394 Licensing Authority is the group to be dealt with - they are at >www.1394la.com. They want $0.25USD for each end product sold. So, if you >make a Linux 1394-enabled system, you have to participate in the 1394LA >agreement. As for Open Source/GPL code, I've heard (I'm not sure >where) that as long as no money changes hands, there's no royalty.....but >that's just what I've heard, I'm sure Mr. Wooten will correct me if >necessary. > >The question/issue is the same for MPEG-2....they have the same, if not >worse licensing issues. > > >Regards, > > >Matt > > >Southwell wrote: > > >Can someone please tell me what the current position is on IEEE 1394 >licensing issues as far as they affect the development and use of firewire >under Linux. I am finding the current licensing situation quite confusing >and am concerned to know that anyone using the IEEE 1394 support will not >be landing themselves into a potentially difficult legal position.. Thanks >David S. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Matt Pujol >To: lin...@li... >Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 12:43 PM >Subject: I need some info on driver development status > Dear Linux-1394 Zealots, > >I will be giving an overview presentation on 1394 and Linux at the 1394 >Developer's Conference in San Jose, June 20-22. I want to give an update on >the state of the 1394 driver development, supported protocols, and future >plans. This will be a great opportunity to give the activity of the the >this development group some extra credibility and maybe get some more >development support. > > >So, please, everybody who's doing anything, let me know where you're at, >what you lack, where you're going, and when you might get there with your >development activity. I'll share the compilation of what I get with the >reflector. > > >Now for the blatant marketing plug.....If you are in the Bay Area on June >20-22, maybe at the Fairmont Hotel, and you have $795 to spare to learn >everything you ever wanted to know about 1394...then come to the Developer's >Conference!! Here's the link for more information >http://www.1394ta.org/Events/DevCon/index.html . It's well worth it. > > >Best regards and I expect to hear from each and every one of you...... > > >Matt > > >-- > >/*********************** > >Matt Pujol > >1394 Product Marketing Manager > > > >LSI Logic > >2001 Danfield Court > >Fort Collins, Co 80525 > >970-206-5816 > >mat...@ls... > >***********************/ > > >-- > >/*********************** > >Matt Pujol > >1394 Product Marketing Manager > > > >LSI Logic > >2001 Danfield Court > >Fort Collins, Co 80525 > >970-206-5816 > >mat...@ls... > >***********************/ > > > >_______________________________________________ >mailing list lin...@li... >http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/linux1394-devel |
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From: Southwell <vi...@pt...> - 2000-05-05 21:50:20
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I am finding this discussion interesting..but am a bit uncertain as to how it relates to the specifics of current development. > Your reasoning is accurate -- the 25 cents is *per system* -- that is, if > you add a 1394 board to your PC, or if you buy a PC with a 1394 chip, > you've paid the fee. So there is no need to worry about the fee for > drivers and low level software written for 1394 devices. > > The higher levels of software are a different topic. Almost all of the > major AV algorithm producers have an agreement on pooling license fees > (note the references to 61883 in www.1394la.com), but there is reputed to > be one notable holdout on some patents. The situation there still needs > some "clarification" -- as they say in the politician's handbook. > How about AV algorythms developed and distributed for free? > Hunter > > > > > >Southwell wrote: > > > > > >Can someone please tell me what the current position is on IEEE 1394 > >licensing issues as far as they affect the development and use of firewire > >under Linux. I am finding the current licensing situation quite confusing > >and am concerned to know that anyone using the IEEE 1394 support will not > >be landing themselves into a potentially difficult legal position.. Thanks > >David S. > > |
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