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Re: [Linux-NTFS-Dev] *fdisk + resize + SI prefixes

[<And...@cw...>]

> In Parted, I plan to change the interface to allow arbitary
> units to be expressed.

I hesitated for a second in fdisk, and decided that there
is no reason to support binary units. More choice means
more user confusion, so should be added only when it really
adds new power.

> I'd rather not confuse users in the mean time.
> Do you think I should?

No. A megabyte is always 1000000 bytes. Keep life simple.

Andries

Re: [Linux-NTFS-Dev] *fdisk + resize + SI prefixes

[Andrew C. <cl...@gn...>]

On Sat, Nov 23, 2002 at 10:08:14AM +0100, Szakacsits Szabolcs wrote:
> 
> Hi Andries,
> 
> Thanks for your quick answer. I CC: my reply to some potentially
> interested parties.
> 
> On Fri, 22 Nov 2002 And...@cw... wrote:
> 
> > > Unfortunately the issue doesn't look very good :(
> > The truth is k=10^3, M=10^6, G=10^9.
> 
> Yes, as I pointed out on http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html
> 
> > Slowly, old programs that use binary units are converted
> > to decimal ones. But there may be backwards compatibility
> > reasons to leave things.
> 
> Here is a summary how different tools uses, k, M, G prefixes
> (please correct me if some entry is wrong, I made the list very
> quickly, some by just remembering).
> 
>                     k        M          G
> fdisk             2^10     2^20      10^3*2^20
> cfdisk           10^3     10^6       10^9
> sfdisk            2^10     2^20
> parted            2^10     2^20
> resize_reiserfs   2^10     2^20      2^30
> ntfsresize        2^10     2^20      2^30
> fdisk (Windows)   2^10     2^20
> 
> resize_reiserfs seems especially unlucky since it uses binary units
> but recommends cfdisk that uses decimal one. If one shrinks a reiserfs
> and gives the same or even a bit bigger units for resizing the given
> partition then he has a great chance the partition table, filesystem
> and/or his data will be destroyed sooner or later (a new partition can
> start in the middle of the resized filesystem).

Just thought I'd comment on the situation with Parted.

If you resize a file system that Parted supports directly, then
obviously the constraint solver will make sure everything fits :)
(It's one of the arguments in favour of coupling a fs interface with
a partition one)

If you resize a file system externally, then you have two options
for changing the partition table:

(1) rm and mkpart.  If you get the numbers wrong, you're screwed.

(2) rm and rescue.  Rescue works like gpart.  (Looks at
signatures/superblocks, and figures out where everything should be)

In Parted, I plan to change the interface to allow arbitary
units to be expressed.  I plan to change the default unit at
the same time... I'd rather not confuse users in the mean time.
Do you think I should?

(Maybe I should just hurry up and do units... it's not hard!)

Cheers,
Andrew

[Linux-NTFS-Dev] Re: *fdisk + resize + SI prefixes

[<And...@cw...>]

>                     k        M          G
> fdisk             2^10     2^20      10^3*2^20

OK, I just changed fdisk. So from the next util-linux release on
it will be

    fdisk           10^3     10^6       10^9

Note that the kernel in the boot messages also gives disk sizes
in decimal units.

Andries

[Linux-NTFS-Dev] *fdisk + resize + SI prefixes

[Szakacsits S. <sz...@si...>]

Hi Andries,

Thanks for your quick answer. I CC: my reply to some potentially
interested parties.

On Fri, 22 Nov 2002 And...@cw... wrote:

> > Unfortunately the issue doesn't look very good :(
> The truth is k=10^3, M=10^6, G=10^9.

Yes, as I pointed out on http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html

> Slowly, old programs that use binary units are converted
> to decimal ones. But there may be backwards compatibility
> reasons to leave things.

Here is a summary how different tools uses, k, M, G prefixes
(please correct me if some entry is wrong, I made the list very
quickly, some by just remembering).

                    k        M          G
fdisk             2^10     2^20      10^3*2^20
cfdisk           10^3     10^6       10^9
sfdisk            2^10     2^20
parted            2^10     2^20
resize_reiserfs   2^10     2^20      2^30
ntfsresize        2^10     2^20      2^30
fdisk (Windows)   2^10     2^20

resize_reiserfs seems especially unlucky since it uses binary units
but recommends cfdisk that uses decimal one. If one shrinks a reiserfs
and gives the same or even a bit bigger units for resizing the given
partition then he has a great chance the partition table, filesystem
and/or his data will be destroyed sooner or later (a new partition can
start in the middle of the resized filesystem).

	Szaka

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Re: [Linux-NTFS-Dev] Can't install kernel-ntfs rpm package into Red Hat 8.0

[Richard R. <nt...@fl...>]

Hi Barry,

> rpm -Uhv kernel 2.4.18-17.8.0.i686.rpm
> depmod : ***** Unresolved symbols in 
> /lib/modules/2.4.18-17.8.0/kernel/fs/ntfs/ntfs.o

Hmm...  I've just booted in that kernel and the module installs
and works OK.  But you don't want to hear that :-)

Hopefully you've read the instructions and made sure you have
the correct module.  If not, erase (rpm -e) the old one or
force (rpm --force -Uhv...) the new one.

Alternatively:  RedHat have just released a new kernel for 8.0
which fixes a few security problems.  Download that and try the
matching module from my RedHat page.

http://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/updates/8.0/en/os/i686/kernel-2.4.18-18.8.0.i686.rpm
http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/info/redhat.html

Cheers,
    FlatCap (Rich)
    nt...@fl...

Re: [Linux-NTFS-Dev] About NTFS for Linux

[Richard R. <nt...@fl...>]

Hi Paul,

> Linux coders are wrestling with NTFS support
> It seems to be very complicated thing.

It's very much like a database: lots of interlinked structures provide
metadata integrity.  (metadata == filesystem structures)

> It seems that exact structure of NTFS is a secret

We've reverse-engineered a LOT of NTFS.  There are still things we
don't understand, e.g. the journalling ($LogFile), but we can work
around that.

> Even if many things are already known, the driver can only read NTFS,
> otherwise it will SPOIL the partition.

We know enough to write code to write to an NTFS partition, safely.
The problem is finding the time to write such complicated code.

> ... Sysinternals ... wrapper ...

Very clever stuff.

I had considered the wrapper idea myself.
Anton didn't take any time in shooting me down :-)

> It will be:
> 1. Easier to do

Argh!  Writing a wrapper for Linux would be a nightmare.

Either, you would have to write a wrapper for each version of ntfs.sys.
Or, write a generic wrapper like the sysinternals guys, which doesn't
do the complete job (it's good, but not perfect).

Also, ntfs.sys is a system driver and would have to be run at the kernel
level, we couldn't make a userspace version.  This means if there's a
bug in our wrapper or Microsoft's driver, it would crash the machine.

> 2. Safer, because this is a standard driver from Microsoft

As long as we used ntfs.sys in the same way as Microsoft, i.e. we
translate the Linux VFS commands into Microsoft's, it should do the
right things to the disk.  This would mean we'd have to be experts
in Windows internals.

As Andrew pointed out, we'd also have legal problems with using or
distributing Microsoft's files.  At the moment RedHat won't supply the
Linux NTFS driver in their install because they're worried about patents
that we might be infringing.  Adding MS technology would probably scare
off more distros.

And it gets worse.  The proprietary part of the kernel driver would
taint the kernel, which means that any bug reports would be ignored by
the majority of kernel developers.

It was a nice thought :-)

Cheers,
  FlatCap (Rich)
  nt...@fl...

[Linux-NTFS-Dev] Can't install kernel-ntfs rpm package into Red Hat 8.0

[Barry Yu <bar...@ne...>]

I am using Red Hat 8.0 with kernel 2.4.18-17.8.0 and I downloaded the 
kernel-ntfs.2.4.18-17.8.0.i686.rpm, when start installing by command;

rpm -Uhv kernel 2.4.18-17.8.0.i686.rpm
Preparing ......                    ############ [100%]
        1: kernel-ntfs               ########### [100%]
depmod : ***** Unresolved symbols in 
/lib/modules/2.4.18-17.8.0/kernel/fs/ntfs/ntfs.0


After that I use : probemod ntfs and I saw more than one page of 
messages each line saying failed something, and I tried to mount the 
ntfs partition but can't because the ntfs not supported. Can someone help?

Re: [Linux-NTFS-Dev] About NTFS for Linux

[Andrew C. <cl...@gn...>]

On Sun, Nov 17, 2002 at 04:01:56PM +0300, Paul Boettcher wrote:
> AC> What I meant is: "users would need a MS licence".
> This  is  a sly problem. Officially user would need MS license only if
> he/she  has  intention  to use NTFS driver. And I can say, that almost
> nobody  would  go  the  right way, and would steal these driver files.

If we tell our users (implicitly) to break the law, then Microsoft
can target those users.  It might be bad PR for them, but it also
might be bad PR for us.

> Quite  the  same,  that  Misrosoft does with other good, but non-MS or
> non-brand  named  products.  Wrapper  developers  can't  be brought to
> account for end user's decision.

Actually, you'd want to speak to a lawyer about that.  "Insightment".

> AC> The fact the users have to unpack these files "themselves" makes
> AC> it a PITA.
> Sorry, I don't know such abbreviation "PITA".

PITA == pain in the arse.  Google it! ;)

> AC> They aren't competing.  We (GNU/Linux) are.
> So,  I  can  predict that NTFS driver will never be up-to-date product
> and will be always dangerous at writing to the disk.

Actually, the Samba people have managed to achieve good compatibility.
Linux-NTFS still needs the journal format to be reverse-engineered...
if that happens, I don't see why write-support couldn't become safe.

Cheers,
Andrew

Re: [Linux-NTFS-Dev] About NTFS for Linux

[Andrew C. <cl...@gn...>]

On Sun, Nov 17, 2002 at 02:17:24AM +0300, Paul Boettcher wrote:
> AC> On Sat, Nov 16, 2002 at 08:04:46PM +0300, Paul Boettcher wrote:
> >> Why  somebody  needs  to develop his own NTFS driver instead of making
> >> the  wrapper  for  standard  NTFS  driver  taken  from Windows NT/2000
> >> distribution package, just like "NTFS for Windows98" from Sysinternals?
> 
> AC> (1) it probably isn't easier to do.  It might be easy "to do", but
> AC> it would be very hard to "get right" and maintain (IMHO).
>
> May  be  it will be so, but what about NTFS for Win98? It doesn't need
> any maintenance except FAQ.

Win98 doesn't change.  (The "change" is called XP)  Linux does.
NTFS also changes.  Do you propose supporting the drivers from all the
different versions of NT/XP?

> AC> (2) you would need a MS licence for each copy of GNU/Linux with NTFS
> AC> support.
> No,  you  are  wrong.  NTFS  for  Win98  doesn't need any license from
> Microsoft,  because it is only a WRAPPER, and doesn't include any NTFS
> driver  files.  You  have  to unpack these files by yourself from YOUR
> [already licensed or stolen] Windows NT distribution package.

What I meant is: "users would need a MS licence".

The fact the users have to unpack these files "themselves" makes
it a PITA.

> AC> (3) MS would probably try to hijack any such effort.
> Really? Why it doesn't hijack "NTFS for Win98" from Sysinternals?

They aren't competing.  We (GNU/Linux) are.

> AC> (4) it wouldn't be "free" in the GNU sense of the word.
> See (2).

That's irrelevant.  Read www.gnu.org/philosophy if you don't know what
I mean by "the GNU sense of the word".  We can't make different
implementation decisions, we would be tied to MS's way of doing things.
This is a loss of freedom.  (You might not think this is important, but
some people do)

Eg: what if there's a security hole in an NTFS driver, and you can't
fix it?

> AC> Perhaps  vmware  +  NT  +  file  sharing  would  be a good interim
> AC> solution, if you don't like linux-ntfs.
> What is "vmware"?

Google it.  It's a virtual machine thingy.  Not free though :/

> AC> I'm not an NTFS developer
> Of course, you aren't because you aren't working at Microsoft, I think
> :-)

:P  [I did get a mysterious invitation once though...]

> If  you  aren't  developer  of NTFS driver for Linux, well, it is very
> sad. I'm looking forward for developers' opinion.

I do hack on linux file system stuff, though :)  If someone disagrees
with me (including linux-ntfs hackers), I hope they'll say so :)
Arguments should be independent of their authors, IMHO.

Andrew

Re: [Linux-NTFS-Dev] About NTFS for Linux

[Andrew C. <cl...@gn...>]

On Sat, Nov 16, 2002 at 08:04:46PM +0300, Paul Boettcher wrote:
> SO, I HAVE VERY SIMPLE QUESTION:
> 
> Why  somebody  needs  to develop his own NTFS driver instead of making
> the  wrapper  for  standard  NTFS  driver  taken  from Windows NT/2000
> distribution package, just like "NTFS for Windows98" from Sysinternals?
> It will be:
> 1. Easier to do
> 2. Safer, because this is a standard driver from Microsoft which won't
>    spoil everything.

I'm not an NTFS developer, but here's my humble opinion:

(1) it probably isn't easier to do.  It might be easy "to do", but
it would be very hard to "get right" and maintain (IMHO).

(2) you would need a MS licence for each copy of GNU/Linux with NTFS
support.

(3) MS would probably try to hijack any such effort.

(4) it wouldn't be "free" in the GNU sense of the word.

Perhaps vmware + NT + file sharing would be a good interim solution,
if you don't like linux-ntfs.

Andrew

[Linux-NTFS-Dev] About NTFS for Linux

[Paul B. <bpk...@ma...>]

Hi!

First fact:
I  can  see  that  many  Linux  coders are wrestling with NTFS support
problem.  It  seems  to be very complicated thing. It seems that exact
structure of NTFS is a secret of Microsoft and this structure needs to
be hacked to make Linux driver.
Even  if many things are already known, the driver can only read NTFS,
otherwise it will SPOIL the partition.

The other fact:
Developers  from  "Sysinternals"  (Mark  Russinovich  and others) have
developed  Windows98-wrapper  for standard Windows NT/2000 NTFS driver
and  there  is no compatibility problem because this is NATIVE driver,
not something invented by themselves.
We  should  only install this wrapper and take some files from Windows
2000  distribution  package  -  NTFS  support is ready. Yes, it is not
stable, but, I think, mainly because of Windows98 nature.

SO, I HAVE VERY SIMPLE QUESTION:

Why  somebody  needs  to develop his own NTFS driver instead of making
the  wrapper  for  standard  NTFS  driver  taken  from Windows NT/2000
distribution package, just like "NTFS for Windows98" from Sysinternals?
It will be:
1. Easier to do
2. Safer, because this is a standard driver from Microsoft which won't
   spoil everything.

Yes,  this  module  will  be able to work only on x86 machines, but it
isn't a big problem, because Windows NT (and NTFS) can mainly be found
on x86 systems.

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src="http://www.sohomart4u.com/newmarketing/img/dec1.gif" width=30 border=0>귀하의 
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<p><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</p> 
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<p align="center"><FONT size=2><B>:: 부업/창업 사업자 
모집 개요 ::</B></FONT></p> 
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<p><FONT size=2><br>이사를 한 고객은 이사에만 그치는 
것이 아니라, 도배,장판,바닥재,하우스크리닝,해충방제...등<br>다양한 
이사관련 생활서비스가 필요합니다.<br>이에 (주)e통인 
에서는 이사업계를 선도하는 기업답게 국내 최초로 이사와 
관련한 산업의 거의 모든 서비스를 고객에게 제공하는 "3세대 
시스템 이사"를 개발하여 다음과 같은 "부업/창업 
사업자"님을 <br>모십니다.<br>&nbsp;</FONT></p> 
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<p align="center"><FONT size=2><B>:: 모집내용 ::</B></FONT></p> 
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<td width="577"> 
<p><FONT size=2><br></FONT></p> 
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<p align="center"><FONT size=2><B>사업명</B></FONT></p> 
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<p align="center"><FONT size=2><B>창업비용</B></FONT></p> 
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<td width="185" bgcolor="#daf9f5"> 
<p align="center"><FONT size=2><B>예상 월수익</B></FONT></p> 
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<p align="center"><font size="2" color="red">사이버 
홈코디</font></p> 
</td> 
<td width="185" bgcolor="#ecfbfc"> 
<p align="center"><font size="2" color="red">18만원</font></p> 
</td> 
<td width="185" bgcolor="#ecfbfc"> 
<p align="center"><font size="2" color="red">30만원 
~ 100만원</font></p> 
</td> 
</tr> 
<tr> 
<td width="185" bgcolor="#ecfbfc"> 
<p align="center"><FONT size="2" color="blue">사이버 
홈마스터</FONT></p> 
</td> 
<td width="185" bgcolor="#ecfbfc"> 
<p align="center"><FONT size="2" color="blue">90만원</FONT></p> 
</td> 
<td width="185" bgcolor="#ecfbfc"> 
<p align="center"><FONT size="2" color="blue">100만원 
~ 250만원</FONT></p> 
</td> 
</tr> 
<tr> 
<td width="185" bgcolor="#ecfbfc"> 
<p align="center"><FONT size=2>오프라인 
홈코디</FONT></p> 
</td> 
<td width="185" bgcolor="#ecfbfc"> 
<p align="center"><FONT size=2>300만원</FONT></p> 
</td> 
<td width="185" bgcolor="#ecfbfc"> 
<p align="center"><FONT size=2>150만원 ~ 
300만원</FONT></p> 
</td> 
</tr> 
<tr> 
<td width="185" bgcolor="#ecfbfc"> 
<p align="center"><FONT size=2>오프라인 
홈마스터</FONT></p> 
</td> 
<td width="185" bgcolor="#ecfbfc"> 
<p align="center"><FONT size=2>1500만원</FONT></p> 
</td> 
<td width="185" bgcolor="#ecfbfc"> 
<p align="center"><FONT size=2>250만원 ~ 
500만원</FONT></p> 
</td> 
</tr> 
</table> 
<p><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</p> 
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<p align="center"><FONT size=2><B>:: 취급사업분야 ::</B></FONT></p> 
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<p align="center"><FONT size=2><B>:: 사업의 종류 ::</B></FONT></p> 
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<p align="center"><FONT size=2><B>:: 30년 전통.. 통인 
익스프레스는... ::</B></FONT></p> 
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<p><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</p> 
<table align="center" border="1" cellspacing="0" bordercolordark="white" bordercolorlight="black" bgcolor="#d5f9f6"> 
<tr> 
<td width="280"> 
<p><FONT size=2>아시아운송협회 가입 (FEMA) 
업체입니다.</FONT></p> 
</td> 
<td width="280"> 
<p><FONT size=2>국제운송협회 가입(FIDI) 
업체입니다.</FONT></p> 
</td> 
</tr> 
<tr> 
<td width="280"> 
<p><FONT size=2>세계이사짐 협회 가입(HHGFA) 
업체입니다.</FONT></p> 
</td> 
<td width="280"> 
<p><FONT size=2>미국운송협회 가입(AMC) 업체입니다.</FONT></p> 
</td> 
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<td width="280"> 
<p><FONT size=2>한국 전문 이주업 협의회 
가입 (KMC) <br>업체입니다.</FONT></p> 
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<td width="280"> 
<p><FONT size=2>한국로지스틱스대상 중소기업 
<br>서비스 부문 수상 업체입니다.</FONT></p> 
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<td width="280"> 
<p><FONT size=2>KOEX 국제 물류정보전시회 
참가 업체입니다.</FONT></p> 
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<td width="280"> 
<p><FONT size=2>한국IBM 제3자 물류 대행 
계약 업체입니다.</FONT></p> 
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<p align="center"><FONT size=2><B>:: 본사 특별 영업지원 
사항 ::</B></FONT></p> 
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<table align="center" border="1" cellspacing="0" width="570" bordercolordark="white" bordercolorlight="black" bgcolor="#d8f8f8"> 
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<p><FONT size="2" color="red"><B>사이버 
홈코디</B></FONT></p> 
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<td width="419"> 
<p><font size="2" color="red">개인 영업사이트 
무료 제작구축 지원</font></p> 
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<td width="141"> 
<p><FONT size="2" color="blue"><B>사이버 
홈마스터</B></FONT></p> 
</td> 
<td width="419"> 
<p><FONT size="2" color="blue">홈코디 관리 
영업사이트 무료 제작구축 지원</FONT></p> 
</td> 
</tr> 
<tr> 
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<p><FONT size=2><B>오프라인 홈코디</B></FONT></p> 
</td> 
<td width="419"> 
<p><FONT size=2>각종 설비장비 지원. 유니폼지원. 
고성능 PDA지원. 영업사이트.</FONT></p> 
</td> 
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<tr> 
<td width="141"> 
<p><FONT size=2><B>오프라인 홈마스터</B></FONT></p> 
</td> 
<td width="419"> 
<p><FONT size=2>각종 설비장비 지원, 유니폼지원. 
고성능 PDA지원. 영업사이트.</FONT></p> 
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<p><FONT size=2><B>공통사항</B></FONT></p> 
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<td width="419"> 
<p><FONT size=2>전국 55개 지점과의 업무공조 
지원<br>각 사업자별 철저한 교육실시</FONT></p> 
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<p align="center"><FONT size=2><B>:: 세부사항 안내 ::</B></FONT></p> 
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<p><FONT size=2><br>보다 세부적인 수익구조나 자세한 
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<p align="center"><FONT size=2><B>:: 연락처 안내 ::</B></FONT></p> 
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Re: [Linux-NTFS-Dev] NTFS-fs warning

[Richard R. <nt...@fl...>]

Hi Florix,

Sorry about the slow reply, I've been swamped with work lately.

> found some (repeated) lines in my /var/log/messages:

> Nov  1 12:38:04 nostra kernel: NTFS-fs warning (device 03:0d): 
> ntfs_read_locked_inode(): BUG: Found compressed file with data_size not 
> equal to initialized_size. This will probably cause problems when trying 
> to access the file. Please notify lin...@li... that you 
> saw this message. Thanks!

Ah, SuSE uses the new driver.  There are lots of BUG lines in the code.
Some are things that aren't implemented yet and others are things that
we don't think should be happening.

If this is happening to a file that you need, the simple solution is to
uncompress the file.  The only files we've seen with misleading sizes
have been Windows system files and you probably don't need them in
Linux.

If you have the time (and the bandwidth), please could you mount the
filesystem (/dev/hda13, is that right?) with the option
"-o show_sys_files=true", then copy the file "$MFT", compress it and
email it to me (or upload it somewhere I can read it).  I can't promise
anything, but I'll try and figure out what's going wrong.

> Nov  1 12:38:24 nostra kernel: NTFS-fs error (device 03:02): 
> ntfs_ucstonls(): Unicode name contains characters that cannot be 
> converted to character set iso8859-1.

This isn't really a problem.  You have a filename which a character
that can't be translated into iso8859-1 (Western European).  If this
is a problem, then mount with "-o nls=utf8".

Thanks for the bug report.
  FlatCap (Rich)
  nt...@fl...

Re: [Linux-NTFS-Dev] Please help!

[Richard R. <nt...@fl...>]

Hi,

Sorry about the slow reply, I've been swamped with work lately.

> Afher the installation completed and I rebooted the system, I had a "GRUB"
> message on the left upper screen and it freezes. What should I proceed?

Hmm, this is surprising, the RedHat install and grub are pretty good
and it should have worked without a problem.

You can undo the damage in two ways.  If you have the XP Windows CD,
then boot from it and choose the recovery console.  In there there is a
command called "fixmbr", (I don't have XP handy to check exactly).
This will overwrite grub and allow XP to boot again.

Otherwise, if you created a boot disk when you installed Linux, you
should be able to use it to start Linux.  This means you can now boot
both.

To fix grub, you need to check your config file /boot/grub/grub.conf
There's a header with things like "default..." and "timeout..." then
the booting sections.

To boot XP, you need something like:

title windows
       root (hd0,0)
       makeactive
       chainloader +1

And for Linux, something like:

title Red Hat 8.0
        root (hd1,0)
        kernel /boot/vmlinuz ro root=/dev/hdb1

hd0 is /dev/hda
hd1 is /dev/hdb
hd0,0 is /dev/hda1
etc

When you're happy with the config file, run "grub-install /dev/hda"
WARNING, this will overwrite the MBR.

Now reboot and hopefully everything should be fine.

Cheers,
  FlatCap (Rich)
  nt...@fl...

[Linux-NTFS-Dev] Please help!

[Ren-Chieh Lien,506,51079,, <li...@ap...>]

I had an XP  in NTFS partition (hda). Lastnight I installed RH linux 8.0 on
another drive (hdb) and chose grub loader on hda.
Afther the installation completed and I rebooted the system, I had a "GRUB"
message on the left upper screen and it freezes. What should I proceed?
Thanks.

-- 
Ren-Chieh Lien                                Tel: 206-685-1079
Applied Physic Lab                            Fax: 206-543-6785
University of Washington                      Email: li...@ap...
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[Linux-NTFS-Dev] NTFS-fs warning

[<fg...@t-...>]

  Hi Folks,

found some (repeated) lines in my /var/log/messages:

Nov  1 12:38:04 nostra kernel: NTFS-fs warning (device 03:0d): 
ntfs_read_locked_inode(): BUG: Found compressed file with data_size not 
equal to initialized_size. This will probably cause problems when trying 
to access the file. Please notify lin...@li... that you 
saw this message. Thanks!
Nov  1 12:38:24 nostra kernel: NTFS-fs error (device 03:02): 
ntfs_ucstonls(): Unicode name contains characters that cannot be 
converted to character set iso8859-1.

My System ist Suse 8.1 with Kernel 2.4.19.

Is it a severe problem?

Regards,
Florix

Re: [Linux-NTFS-Dev] ntfsresize and windows disk administrator

[Arumugam B. <bal...@ya...>]

Hi Szaka

--- Szakacsits Szabolcs <sz...@si...> wrote:
> 
> Hi Bala,
> 
> On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, Arumugam Balamurugan wrote:
> 
> Cluster size       : 4096
> Current volume size: 1419744 clusters (5545 MB)
> New volume size    : 731649 clusters (2858 MB)
> [...]
> > ==> NTFS had been successfully resized on device
> /dev/sda2.
> > ==> Now you can go on to resize/split the
> partition.
> [...]
> > I restarted the box and booted into 'Windows 2000
> > Professional', the drive is shrunk to 2687MB
> approx,
> > but the 'Windows Disk Administrator' is showing
> the
> > original size (5545MB). What could be the problem?
> 
> Resizing a filesystem basically takes two steps.
> 
> If you shrink a device/volume:
> - shrink the filesystem (e.g. using ntfsresize)
> - edit/shrink the partition the filesystem is on
> (e.g. using fdisk)
> 
> If you enlarge a device/volume you must do the
> opposite way:
> - edit/enlarge the partition the filesystem is on
> (e.g. using fdisk)
> - enlarge the filesystem
> 
> ntfsresize works just like any other filesystem
> resizer: it doesn't
> resize the disk partition itself, only the
> filesystem. I copy-paste
> the relevant parts from the ext[23] resize2fs
> manual, just replace
> resize2fs with ntfsresize and you get what I mean:
> 
> "The resize2fs program does not manipulate the size
> of partitions. If
> you wish to shrink an ext2 partition, first use
> resize2fs to shrink
> the size of filesystem.  Then you may use fdisk(8)
> to shrink the size
> of the partition.  When shrinking the size of the
> partition, make sure
> you do not make it smaller than the new size of the
> ext2 filesystem!"
> 
> In short, you're half done and everything looks ok
> so far but you need
> to edit the partition table as well, shrinking
> /dev/sda2. The new
> partition size must be minimum 2996834304 bytes
> (cluster size * number
> of clusters), e.g. you could use 2859 MB (2858 + 1)
> as the new disk
> partition size.
> 
> Of course the most convenient way would be using
> 'parted' that takes
> care about these lower level issues but it doesn't
> support ntfs resize
> yet [most importantly because e.g. ntfsresize misses
> some issues that
> are needed for integration].
> 
> 	Szaka
> 

Thanks for your detailed help.
I recreated the partition /dev/sda2 with the same
starting cylinder, but with the size of 2860MB, using
fdisk.

It works.

Best regards
Bala


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Re: [Linux-NTFS-Dev] ntfsresize and windows disk administrator

[Szakacsits S. <sz...@si...>]

Hi Bala,

On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, Arumugam Balamurugan wrote:

Cluster size       : 4096
Current volume size: 1419744 clusters (5545 MB)
New volume size    : 731649 clusters (2858 MB)
[...]
> ==> NTFS had been successfully resized on device /dev/sda2.
> ==> Now you can go on to resize/split the partition.
[...]
> I restarted the box and booted into 'Windows 2000
> Professional', the drive is shrunk to 2687MB approx,
> but the 'Windows Disk Administrator' is showing the
> original size (5545MB). What could be the problem?

Resizing a filesystem basically takes two steps.

If you shrink a device/volume:
- shrink the filesystem (e.g. using ntfsresize)
- edit/shrink the partition the filesystem is on (e.g. using fdisk)

If you enlarge a device/volume you must do the opposite way:
- edit/enlarge the partition the filesystem is on (e.g. using fdisk)
- enlarge the filesystem

ntfsresize works just like any other filesystem resizer: it doesn't
resize the disk partition itself, only the filesystem. I copy-paste
the relevant parts from the ext[23] resize2fs manual, just replace
resize2fs with ntfsresize and you get what I mean:

"The resize2fs program does not manipulate the size of partitions. If
you wish to shrink an ext2 partition, first use resize2fs to shrink
the size of filesystem.  Then you may use fdisk(8) to shrink the size
of the partition.  When shrinking the size of the partition, make sure
you do not make it smaller than the new size of the ext2 filesystem!"

In short, you're half done and everything looks ok so far but you need
to edit the partition table as well, shrinking /dev/sda2. The new
partition size must be minimum 2996834304 bytes (cluster size * number
of clusters), e.g. you could use 2859 MB (2858 + 1) as the new disk
partition size.

Of course the most convenient way would be using 'parted' that takes
care about these lower level issues but it doesn't support ntfs resize
yet [most importantly because e.g. ntfsresize misses some issues that
are needed for integration].

	Szaka

[Linux-NTFS-Dev] ntfsresize and windows disk administrator

[Arumugam B. <bal...@ya...>]

Hi All
I have got the source of ntfs-progs from bitskeeper.
I compiled the source successfully.
I successfully compiled ntfsresize.c manually
I ran './ntfsresize -c 731649 /dev/sda2', I got the
following output (731649 is suggested by ntfsresize)

==================================================
debian:~/ntfs-progs/ntfstools# ./ntfsresize \ 
-c 731649 /dev/sda2
Beginning bootsector check...
Calculating bootsector checksum... OK
Checking OEMid... OK
Checking bytes per sector... OK
Checking sectors per cluster... OK
Checking cluster size... OK
Checking reserved fields are zero... OK
Checking clusters per mft record... OK
Checking clusters per index block... OK
Bootsector check completed successfully.
NTFS volume version: 3.0
Cluster size       : 4096
Current volume size: 1419744 clusters (5545 MB)
New volume size    : 731649 clusters (2858 MB)
Scanning volume ...
100.00 percent completed
Setting NTFS $Volume flag dirty ...
Resetting $LogFile ...
Updating $BadClust file ...
Updating $Bitmap file ...
Updating Boot record ...
==> NTFS had been successfully resized on device
/dev/sda2.
==> Now you can go on to resize/split the partition.
debian:~/ntfs-progs/ntfstools#
==================================================

I restarted the box and booted into 'Windows 2000
Professional', the drive is shrunk to 2687MB approx,
but the 'Windows Disk Administrator' is showing the
original size (5545MB)

What could be the problem?


Thanks

Best Regards
Bala


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[Linux-NTFS-Dev] Re: c/6660: Typedeffed unnamed structs/unions do not compile with gcc-3.1

[<ge...@gc...>]

Synopsis: Typedeffed unnamed structs/unions do not compile with gcc-3.1

State-Changed-From-To: analyzed->closed
State-Changed-By: gerald
State-Changed-When: Wed Oct 16 16:35:17 2002
State-Changed-Why:
    Fixed.

http://gcc.gnu.org/cgi-bin/gnatsweb.pl?cmd=view%20audit-trail&database=gcc&pr=6660

[Linux-NTFS-Dev] Re: c/6660: Typedeffed unnamed structs/unions do not compile with gcc-3.1

[Anton A. <ai...@ca...>]

On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, Nathanael Nerode wrote:

> http://gcc.gnu.org/cgi-bin/gnatsweb.pl?cmd=view%20audit-trail&database=gcc&pr=6660
> 
> Jakub, your recent patch appears to have fixed this.
> 
> Anton, can you confirm that it's working now so I can close the bug report?

It is working with gcc-3.2 as found in Mandrake 9.0 so I think I can
safely say yes. (-:

Best regards,

	Anton
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[Linux-NTFS-Dev] Re: c/6660: Typedeffed unnamed structs/unions do not compile with gcc-3.1

[Nathanael N. <ne...@tw...>]

http://gcc.gnu.org/cgi-bin/gnatsweb.pl?cmd=view%20audit-trail&database=gcc&pr=6660

Jakub, your recent patch appears to have fixed this.

Anton, can you confirm that it's working now so I can close the bug report?

--Nathaanel