linux-apus-devel

very FAQ

[Massimo S. <m.s...@wo...>]

any news about CYBPPC UWSCSI controller driver?

sorry for this FAQ, but I didn't find anything on sourceforge

Massimo

Re: Boot-Floppies-Good News

[Sven L. <lu...@dp...>]

On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 06:57:25AM +0200, Giorgio Terzi wrote:
> Hello Sven,
> 
> last night i have downloaded some new releases of the deb's software
> that is needed to make boot-floppies.
> I have build the floppies and the root image produced now works also
> with the reduced libc library. :))))
> 
> During this week i shall try a new woody installation with these
> floppies. 
> I shall also try to install kernel & modules.

Ok, nice to know.

So in truth the problem was that the busybox package was bugged.

Can you try the current version and fill a bug if not ? If we don't do that,
then the auto builded boot floppies will not work, i think.

Friendly,

Sven Luther

Re: libc reduction and powerpc/apus woody boot floppies.

[Sven L. <lu...@dp...>]

On Sun, May 06, 2001 at 09:47:42PM -0600, Erik Andersen wrote:
> On Sun May 06, 2001 at 11:28:42AM +0200, Sven LUTHER wrote:
> > 
> > Then you can try one of the other functions of the busybox (i don't know, but
> > i guess something like ls or so will do, or even mount).
> 
> All busybox functions are symlinks to /bin/busybox.  So running more
> 'ldd' checks isn't going to tell us much.  

well, but running ls (it is a busybox function isn't it ?) will enable you to
test if the libc compiled in will work or not, without doing things we want to
do with init.

Just to see if it will work in a chrooted environment.

My guess, conforted by ben collins mail, is that the busybox is linked toward
the not reduced libc6 that is in the standard install, while there is the
reduced version in the root image.

This can be tested with chrooting into the boot image and testing there if any
busybox program will run, isn't it ?

Note : i have no ppc box myself, so i cannot test it, Giorgio volunteered to do
the building/testing, altough he is not a debian developper, and thus not
really all that much familiar with boot floppies internals.

> > Try this either in the chrooted environment and in the nomral one.
> > 
> > Anyway, i am not sure i can help you much here, we need help from the
> > boot-floppies people, ...
> > 
> > That said, since you are using the precompiled busybox, this clearly warrants
> > a bug against busybox.
> 
> I'm dubious.  I still havn't figured out exactly what the problem is.
> So far I have only seen vague guesses to a problem, but I don't see
> what the original problem is that people are guessing about.

See above, do you think this seems reasonable ?

> So far, I'm guessing that the problem is some version of boot floppies
> of powerpc failed to boot...

Well, it boots all right, but init will not work, and as thus he gets only
blinking cursor on VC1 and nothing on VC 2-3.

he noticed that chaging the reduced libc6 in the root image by the not reduced
one, then it will boot.

As for me, i have only experience with the potato boot floppies on apus, not
worked on them since then, and no access to a ppc box.

> Is this a serial console?  What kernel verison is being used?

No it is not, standard (fbdev) console. Kernel being either 2.2.10 (latest
2.2.x on apus) or 2.4.x.

> Do we have a log of what does happen on boot?

Well, since he has no serial console, and init is causing problem, there is no
meaningfull log, apart from what you will find at :

ftp://lambda.u-strasbg.fr/boot-floppies

Friendly,

Sven Luther
> 
>  -Erik
> 
> --
> Erik B. Andersen   email:  and...@de..., and...@li...
> --This message was written using 73% post-consumer electrons--

Boot-Floppies-Good News

[Giorgio T. <de...@ip...>]

Hello Sven,

last night i have downloaded some new releases of the deb's software
that is needed to make boot-floppies.
I have build the floppies and the root image produced now works also
with the reduced libc library. :))))

During this week i shall try a new woody installation with these
floppies. 
I shall also try to install kernel & modules.

Kind regards
-- 
                                                 Giorgio Terzi

Re: libc reduction and powerpc/apus woody boot floppies.

[Erik A. <and...@co...>]

On Sun May 06, 2001 at 11:28:42AM +0200, Sven LUTHER wrote:
> 
> Then you can try one of the other functions of the busybox (i don't know, but
> i guess something like ls or so will do, or even mount).

All busybox functions are symlinks to /bin/busybox.  So running more
'ldd' checks isn't going to tell us much.  

> Try this either in the chrooted environment and in the nomral one.
> 
> Anyway, i am not sure i can help you much here, we need help from the
> boot-floppies people, ...
> 
> That said, since you are using the precompiled busybox, this clearly warrants
> a bug against busybox.

I'm dubious.  I still havn't figured out exactly what the problem is.
So far I have only seen vague guesses to a problem, but I don't see
what the original problem is that people are guessing about.
So far, I'm guessing that the problem is some version of boot floppies
of powerpc failed to boot...

Is this a serial console?  What kernel verison is being used?
Do we have a log of what does happen on boot?

 -Erik

--
Erik B. Andersen   email:  and...@de..., and...@li...
--This message was written using 73% post-consumer electrons--

Re: libc reduction and powerpc/apus woody boot floppies.

[Sven L. <lu...@dp...>]

On Sat, May 05, 2001 at 11:33:50AM +0200, Giorgio Terzi wrote:
> Hello Sven,
> these are the informations you've asked me taken from
> the linux installation i used for boot-floppy building:
> 
> # dpkg -l 'libc6*'
> 
> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
> | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
> |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
> ||/ Name           Version        Description
> +++-==============-==============-============================================
> ii  libc6          2.2.2-1        GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone
> un  libc6-bin      <none>         (no description available)
> pn  libc6-dbg      <none>         (no description available)
> ii  libc6-dev      2.2.2-1        GNU C Library: Development Libraries and Hea
> un  libc6-doc      <none>         (no description available)
> ii  libc6-pic      2.2.2-1        GNU C Library: PIC archive library
> pn  libc6-prof     <none>         (no description available)
> un  libc6.1        <none>         (no description available)
> 
> 
> # dpkg -l 'busy*'
> 
> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
> | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
> |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
> ||/ Name           Version        Description
> +++-==============-==============-============================================
> ii  busybox        0.51-1         Tiny utilities for small and embedded system
> pn  busybox-static <none>         (no description available)
> 

Ok, fine ...

> # ldd -v -d -r /sbin/init
> 
>     libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x0feb3000)
>     /lib/ld.so.1 => /lib/ld.so.1 (0x30000000)

Is this the /lib of the root disk, or the one from the normal install.

My guess is that this is the /lib of the normal install, and thus the reason
for the init program not working on the root disk.

Could you try mounting the root image, and then chroot to it (you need to
install that package).

Then you can try one of the other functions of the busybox (i don't know, but
i guess something like ls or so will do, or even mount).

Try this either in the chrooted environment and in the nomral one.

Anyway, i am not sure i can help you much here, we need help from the
boot-floppies people, ...

That said, since you are using the precompiled busybox, this clearly warrants
a bug against busybox.

Friendly,

Sven Luther

Re: libc reduction and powerpc/apus woody boot floppies.

[Giorgio T. <de...@ip...>]

Hello Sven,
these are the informations you've asked me taken from
the linux installation i used for boot-floppy building:

# dpkg -l 'libc6*'

Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
| Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
||/ Name           Version        Description
+++-==============-==============-============================================
ii  libc6          2.2.2-1        GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone
un  libc6-bin      <none>         (no description available)
pn  libc6-dbg      <none>         (no description available)
ii  libc6-dev      2.2.2-1        GNU C Library: Development Libraries and Hea
un  libc6-doc      <none>         (no description available)
ii  libc6-pic      2.2.2-1        GNU C Library: PIC archive library
pn  libc6-prof     <none>         (no description available)
un  libc6.1        <none>         (no description available)


# dpkg -l 'busy*'

Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
| Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
||/ Name           Version        Description
+++-==============-==============-============================================
ii  busybox        0.51-1         Tiny utilities for small and embedded system
pn  busybox-static <none>         (no description available)


# ldd -v -d -r /sbin/init

    libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x0feb3000)
    /lib/ld.so.1 => /lib/ld.so.1 (0x30000000)

    Version information:
    /sbin/init:
        libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.1) => /lib/libc.so.6
        libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.0) => /lib/libc.so.6
    /lib/libc.so.6:
        ld.so.1 (GLIBC_2.1.1) => /lib/ld.so.1
        ld.so.1 (GLIBC_2.1) => /lib/ld.so.1
        ld.so.1 (GLIBC_2.2) => /lib/ld.so.1
        ld.so.1 (GLIBC_2.0) => /lib/ld.so.1


# ldd -v -d -r /bin/busybox

    libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x0feb3000)
    /lib/ld.so.1 => /lib/ld.so.1 (0x30000000)

    Version information:
    /bin/busybox:
        libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.1) => /lib/libc.so.6
        libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.0) => /lib/libc.so.6
    /lib/libc.so.6:
        ld.so.1 (GLIBC_2.1.1) => /lib/ld.so.1
        ld.so.1 (GLIBC_2.1) => /lib/ld.so.1
        ld.so.1 (GLIBC_2.2) => /lib/ld.so.1
        ld.so.1 (GLIBC_2.0) => /lib/ld.so.1
  
Regards,
-- 
                                                 Giorgio Terzi

CVS Update: 2.3 (branch: trunk)

[Michel D?n. <mda...@us...>]

CVSROOT:	/cvsroot/linux-apus
Module name:	2.3
Repository:	2.3/arch/ppc/
Changes by:	mdaenzer@usw-pr-cvs1.	01/05/04 18:59:31

Log message:
  minor config change

Modified files:
      2.3/arch/ppc/configs/:
        apus_defconfig 
      2.3/arch/ppc/:
        defconfig 
  
  Revision      Changes    Path
  1.5           +3 -27     2.3/arch/ppc/configs/apus_defconfig
  1.7           +3 -27     2.3/arch/ppc/defconfig

Re: 2.4.4 (Re: CVS Update: 2.3 (branch: trunk))

[Roman Z. <zi...@li...>]

Hi,

"Michel Dänzer" wrote:

> Is this ready for binaries now?

Yes, all known affs problems should be fixed now.
(Sorry, for the delay I was away for a week :) )

bye, Roman

CVS Update: 2.3 (branch: trunk)

[Roman Z. <zi...@us...>]

CVSROOT:	/cvsroot/linux-apus
Module name:	2.3
Repository:	2.3/fs/affs/
Changes by:	zippel@usw-pr-cvs1.	01/05/04 17:22:41

Log message:
  another small link fix

Modified files:
      2.3/fs/affs/:
        amigaffs.c 
  
  Revision      Changes    Path
  1.4           +4 -2      2.3/fs/affs/amigaffs.c

2.4.4 (Re: CVS Update: 2.3 (branch: trunk))

[Michel <mic...@ii...>]

Roman Zippel wrote:

> Log message:
>   disable link to directories until we can properly support them.
>   locking fixes for link creation/removal.

Is this ready for binaries now?


-- 
Earthling Michel Dänzer (MrCooper)    \   Debian GNU/Linux (powerpc) developer
CS student, Free Software enthusiast   \        XFree86 and DRI project member

CVS Update: 2.3 (branch: trunk)

[Roman Z. <zi...@us...>]

CVSROOT:	/cvsroot/linux-apus
Module name:	2.3
Repository:	2.3/arch/ppc/configs/
Changes by:	zippel@usw-pr-cvs1.	01/05/04 13:34:43

Log message:
  update config

Modified files:
      2.3/arch/ppc/:
        defconfig 
      2.3/arch/ppc/configs/:
        apus_defconfig 
  
  Revision      Changes    Path
  1.6           +34 -27    2.3/arch/ppc/defconfig
  1.4           +34 -27    2.3/arch/ppc/configs/apus_defconfig

CVS Update: 2.3 (branch: trunk)

[Roman Z. <zi...@us...>]

CVSROOT:	/cvsroot/linux-apus
Module name:	2.3
Repository:	2.3/fs/affs/
Changes by:	zippel@usw-pr-cvs1.	01/05/04 11:55:25

Log message:
  disable link to directories until we can properly support them.
  locking fixes for link creation/removal.

Modified files:
      2.3/fs/affs/:
        Changes amigaffs.c inode.c namei.c 
  
  Revision      Changes    Path
  1.5           +7 -0      2.3/fs/affs/Changes
  1.3           +23 -10    2.3/fs/affs/amigaffs.c
  1.9           +12 -6     2.3/fs/affs/inode.c
  1.6           +6 -2      2.3/fs/affs/namei.c

Re: X + BVision + Debian + GNOME + Enlightenment problem

[Sven L. <lu...@dp...>]

On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 05:02:54PM +0100, Alan Buxey wrote:
> hi,
> 
> > Well, yes, but they also reinstall all the load of packages that are now
> > incompatible. That's what happens when upgrading. But he wanted to install
> > just libc6 and Xfree 4.
> 
> ah yes, of course
> 
> > There must be some unofficial site in your sources.list file, or maybe you
> > told apt to look into the testing archives.
> 
> oops, testing. I keep thinking that testing is more with potato than
> anything else

No, that was at the beginning, now testing is laggin less than 2 weeks beind
sid, minus broken and undbuildable packages.

> > Well, you don't really need to, just launch the compilation, and pass a good
> > evening with your girlfriend, or whatever, ...
> 
> :-)

:)))

> > btw, just dpkg-buildpacakge -us -uc should work on the unpacked package, you
> > could save the logs also to check if something broke.
> 
> unpacked package? I've got the CVS files in an archive here...can i run
> such a thing on this? (like RPM -tb can do?)

You are speaking upstream cvs, right ?

no i was speaking about rebuilding debian package, but i have read on
debian-xfree (or whatever is the name of that mailing list) that someone did
work on a xfree package stuff that may do just what you want, check the
archive for this.

BTW, apart from that, you may just need to replace the source tarball in
the xfree package from branden by the upstream one, and naturrally remove all
the debian patches, since they will most probably not apply anymore.

Friendly,

Sven Luther

Re: X + BVision + Debian + GNOME + Enlightenment problem

[Alan B. <al...@ms...>]

hi,

> Well, yes, but they also reinstall all the load of packages that are now
> incompatible. That's what happens when upgrading. But he wanted to install
> just libc6 and Xfree 4.

ah yes, of course

> There must be some unofficial site in your sources.list file, or maybe you
> told apt to look into the testing archives.

oops, testing. I keep thinking that testing is more with potato than
anything else
 
> Well, you don't really need to, just launch the compilation, and pass a good
> evening with your girlfriend, or whatever, ...

:-)
 
> btw, just dpkg-buildpacakge -us -uc should work on the unpacked package, you
> could save the logs also to check if something broke.

unpacked package? I've got the CVS files in an archive here...can i run
such a thing on this? (like RPM -tb can do?)
 
alan

Re: libc reduction and powerpc/apus woody boot floppies.

[Sven L. <lu...@dp...>]

On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 05:20:33PM +0200, Giorgio Terzi wrote:
> Hello Sven,
> This is VERY important!!!
> ...
> > On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 06:21:36PM +0200, Giorgio Terzi wrote:
> >> 6) Tried to sobstitute the small library with the standard big libc2.2.2 
> >>    Test Succeded: the image began to bootstrap another time. 
> > 
> > Yes, i guess this is the real problem, ...
> > 
> > Ben Collins (the libc maintainer) seems to think that this behavior is
> > because you are using the wrong libc will linking the busybox executable.
> 
> I must apologize.
> Sorry, i wasn't clear in my explanation. 
> When i wrote "standard version" about busybox i was meaning:  
> 
> "the version taken from busybox debian package that is automatically 
> added when boot-floppyes are build"!
> 
> >From the 4th step to end of my past e-mail i haven't used nothing
> of build by myself!
> 
> I am very, very sorry. 

Sorry, forgot,n cannot run ldd on it, am not using a ppc system :(((

Friendly,

Sven Luther

Re: libc reduction and powerpc/apus woody boot floppies.

[Sven L. <lu...@dp...>]

On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 05:20:33PM +0200, Giorgio Terzi wrote:
> Hello Sven,
> This is VERY important!!!
> ...
> > On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 06:21:36PM +0200, Giorgio Terzi wrote:
> >> 6) Tried to sobstitute the small library with the standard big libc2.2.2 
> >>    Test Succeded: the image began to bootstrap another time. 
> > 
> > Yes, i guess this is the real problem, ...
> > 
> > Ben Collins (the libc maintainer) seems to think that this behavior is
> > because you are using the wrong libc will linking the busybox executable.
> 
> I must apologize.
> Sorry, i wasn't clear in my explanation. 
> When i wrote "standard version" about busybox i was meaning:  
> 
> "the version taken from busybox debian package that is automatically 
> added when boot-floppyes are build"!
> 
> >From the 4th step to end of my past e-mail i haven't used nothing
> of build by myself!
> 
> I am very, very sorry. 

No problem, please run ldd on init, and tell us about it.

mmm, can do this also myself, will be doing it right now.

Friendly,

Sven Luther

Re: libc reduction and powerpc/apus woody boot floppies.

[Giorgio T. <de...@ip...>]

Hello Sven,
This is VERY important!!!
...
> On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 06:21:36PM +0200, Giorgio Terzi wrote:
>> 6) Tried to sobstitute the small library with the standard big libc2.2.2 
>>    Test Succeded: the image began to bootstrap another time. 
> 
> Yes, i guess this is the real problem, ...
> 
> Ben Collins (the libc maintainer) seems to think that this behavior is
> because you are using the wrong libc will linking the busybox executable.

I must apologize.
Sorry, i wasn't clear in my explanation. 
When i wrote "standard version" about busybox i was meaning:  

"the version taken from busybox debian package that is automatically 
added when boot-floppyes are build"!

From the 4th step to end of my past e-mail i haven't used nothing
of build by myself!

I am very, very sorry. 

Regards
-- 
                                                 Giorgio Terzi

Re: X + BVision + Debian + GNOME + Enlightenment problem

[Sven L. <lu...@dp...>]

On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 03:10:14PM +0100, Alan Buxey wrote:
> hi,
> 
> > Yes, you could do something like :
> > 
> > dpkg --force-depends -i libc6_2.2.2-2.deb
> > 
> > and hope it works. Again i would _NOT_ do that myself.
> 
> there must be a way that Debian does it - otherwise people would have to
> reinstall Linux systems each time libc changed, 

Well, yes, but they also reinstall all the load of packages that are now
incompatible. That's what happens when upgrading. But he wanted to install
just libc6 and Xfree 4.
>  
> > Then try rebuilding it, i thought there were potato packages of XF4 around,
> > but i guess these were only for i386, not sure i don't use them myself.
> 
> XFree 4.02 is part of Potato - PowerPC

No, this is not true, 3.3.6 was released with potato, and you cannot still
find any 'official' 4.0 packages in debian/potato
(check ftp.debian.org:/debian/dists/potato/main/binary-powerpc/x11).

There must be some unofficial site in your sources.list file, or maybe you
told apt to look into the testing archives.

> its what I still ahve installed (have not had time to compile CVS'd 4.0.3

Are you sure you are running potato and not testing ?

> > It would take you ~400MB space on your harddisk and >5hours compilation on a
> > 603e 240MHz.
> 
> ;-)  see, when i have a whole evening/night that i can throw away I can
> compile it :-)

Well, you don't really need to, just launch the compilation, and pass a good
evening with your girlfriend, or whatever, ...

> (really, I guess I should have evrything ready and then do a 'make world'
> just before I switch my monitor off for the night 8-) )

That too, also.

btw, just dpkg-buildpacakge -us -uc should work on the unpacked package, you
could save the logs also to check if something broke.

> > And there are loads of improvement, remember, potato was frozen more than a
> > year ago, alough it was released in july, so packages there are really old. 
> 
> yes, I get everything through 'testing' now. havent got the , errr

So you aren't running potato after all, 

> nerve/balls/stupidity/skills/time (delete as applicable) to run
> 'unstable'  8-)

It's the same, i run unstable because i am a packager, and it is expected of
me (i think). Also testing had some early problems that seem solved now, and i
diddn't had the patience to wait for XF4 to enter it back then.

Friendly,

Sven Luther

Re: X + BVision + Debian + GNOME + Enlightenment problem

[Alan B. <al...@ms...>]

hi,

> Yes, you could do something like :
> 
> dpkg --force-depends -i libc6_2.2.2-2.deb
> 
> and hope it works. Again i would _NOT_ do that myself.

there must be a way that Debian does it - otherwise people would have to
reinstall Linux systems each time libc changed, 
 
> Then try rebuilding it, i thought there were potato packages of XF4 around,
> but i guess these were only for i386, not sure i don't use them myself.

XFree 4.02 is part of Potato - PowerPC

its what I still ahve installed (have not had time to compile CVS'd 4.0.3
 
> It would take you ~400MB space on your harddisk and >5hours compilation on a
> 603e 240MHz.

;-)  see, when i have a whole evening/night that i can throw away I can
compile it :-)

(really, I guess I should have evrything ready and then do a 'make world'
just before I switch my monitor off for the night 8-) )

> And there are loads of improvement, remember, potato was frozen more than a
> year ago, alough it was released in july, so packages there are really old. 

yes, I get everything through 'testing' now. havent got the , errr
nerve/balls/stupidity/skills/time (delete as applicable) to run
'unstable'  8-)

alan

Re: X + BVision + Debian + GNOME + Enlightenment problem

[Sven L. <lu...@dp...>]

On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 12:40:58PM +0000, Giles Burdett wrote:
> Hi Sven,
> 
> On 04-May-01, you wrote:
> 
>  
> > The woody/unstable xfree packages are 4.0.3, look at :
> > 
> > ftp.debian.org:/debian/pool/main/x/xfree86
> > 
> > for them.
> > 
> > But i don't think you will be able to install them on a potato system, as
> > they depend on libc6 (>= 2.2.2-2).
> 
> If they depend on a more recent version of libc6, is there a way to upgrade
> that package without the system tumbling to its knees? Can I do it through

mmm, don't know, the new libc6 is supposed to be binary compatible to the
older version, so normally, just upgrading your libc should permit older
packages to run. But you would have to force dpkg, and anyway, i would not
recommend it in any way.

> dselect, or do I need somekind of shell that doesn't use these library

Yes, you could do something like :

dpkg --force-depends -i libc6_2.2.2-2.deb

and hope it works. Again i would _NOT_ do that myself.

> calls? And what do I do with all the other programs that are already running
> and use the old libc6?

Just upgrade them :)))

Again, woody/testing is nice and quite stable, i think (don't really know, i
run only unstable on both my work/production and my home box, never really had
any problem with it).

> >> Anyone know where this elusive beasty might be lurking on the net?
> > 
> > If you have lots of free space and time, you could build them yourslef,
> > just get the source package (>50MB) and build it on your system, not sure
> > it would work though. Alternatively, you could try getting the upstream
> > package directly, and try to run it, you only need X server, and point to
> > it in /etc/X11/Xserver.
> > 
> > But, in the long run, it would be much nicer to upgrade to testing, you
> > will gain a lot by it.
> 
> I suppose I could - but all I really want/need is a working X system!

Sure, ...

Then try rebuilding it, i thought there were potato packages of XF4 around,
but i guess these were only for i386, not sure i don't use them myself.

It would take you ~400MB space on your harddisk and >5hours compilation on a
603e 240MHz.

> > If this is casuing you a problem bandwith wise, you could try reading : 
> 
> It's OK, I can go to uni and download an iso image or a load of stuff onto
> zip disks. I think I'll have a crack at the X v4 + libc6 upgrade first
> though...

Ok, but the offline apt-get thingy is very nice, once you have it setup, i do
it all the time for my unstable setup (but i upgrade only every week or 2).
The first run would be somewhat long, but after that, you will be following
woody, and there are not really so much changes there. 

And there are loads of improvement, remember, potato was frozen more than a
year ago, alough it was released in july, so packages there are really old. 

If nothing else you would get the new gnome packages (1.4.0.2-3 currently in
unstable) which are much nicer than the potato version.

Friendly,

Sven Luther

Re: X + BVision + Debian + GNOME + Enlightenment problem

[Giles B. <lay...@th...>]

Hi Sven,

On 04-May-01, you wrote:

 
> The woody/unstable xfree packages are 4.0.3, look at :
> 
> ftp.debian.org:/debian/pool/main/x/xfree86
> 
> for them.
> 
> But i don't think you will be able to install them on a potato system, as
> they depend on libc6 (>= 2.2.2-2).

If they depend on a more recent version of libc6, is there a way to upgrade
that package without the system tumbling to its knees? Can I do it through
dselect, or do I need somekind of shell that doesn't use these library
calls? And what do I do with all the other programs that are already running
and use the old libc6?

>> 
>> Anyone know where this elusive beasty might be lurking on the net?
> 
> If you have lots of free space and time, you could build them yourslef,
> just get the source package (>50MB) and build it on your system, not sure
> it would work though. Alternatively, you could try getting the upstream
> package directly, and try to run it, you only need X server, and point to
> it in /etc/X11/Xserver.
> 
> But, in the long run, it would be much nicer to upgrade to testing, you
> will gain a lot by it.

I suppose I could - but all I really want/need is a working X system!
 
> If this is casuing you a problem bandwith wise, you could try reading : 

It's OK, I can go to uni and download an iso image or a load of stuff onto
zip disks. I think I'll have a crack at the X v4 + libc6 upgrade first
though...

Regards

Giles

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Re: X + BVision + Debian + GNOME + Enlightenment problem

[Sven L. <lu...@dp...>]

On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 02:50:29AM +0000, Giles Burdett wrote:
> Hi Sven,
> 
> On 03-May-01, you wrote:
> 
> 
> >> I just tried that, and X aborts because it says it's an unknown option.
> >> No mention of that option in the man page for XF86Config either... At
> >> least not in 3.3.6 release of X. Is it a 4.0 thing or am I just missing
> >> something?
> > 
> > mmm, you are using 3.3.6, this explains a lot of things. 
> 
> I was afraid someone would say that... ;)
> 
> > 3.3.6 has not been worked on for the bvision since a long time, it would
> > be better to try using 4.0.x, it is faster and so.
> > 
> > That said, i think there are potato compiled ppc packages of Xfree 4.0.x
> > around somewhere, don't know for sure though. But maybe you would want to
> > upgrade to testing or unstable now, the woody release is not that far
> > away, i think.
> 
> I've had a hunt around on a debian mirror for anything looking like v4 and I
> had no luck, even in the woody or unstable directories. I also checked out
> XFree86.org and they don't have a PPC binary - most inconsiderate of them!
> :)

The woody/unstable xfree packages are 4.0.3, look at :

ftp.debian.org:/debian/pool/main/x/xfree86

for them.

But i don't think you will be able to install them on a potato system, as they
depend on libc6 (>= 2.2.2-2).
> 
> Anyone know where this elusive beasty might be lurking on the net?

If you have lots of free space and time, you could build them yourslef, just
get the source package (>50MB) and build it on your system, not sure it would
work though. Alternatively, you could try getting the upstream package
directly, and try to run it, you only need X server, and point to it in
/etc/X11/Xserver.

But, in the long run, it would be much nicer to upgrade to testing, you will
gain a lot by it.

If this is casuing you a problem bandwith wise, you could try reading : 

/usr/doc/apt/offline.text.gz (or the html version offline.html)

This is nice if you have access to a fast box, and something like a zip disk,
or even just a cd burner will do. (mmm, i could even burn a cd for you with
all needed things, not sure though, we would need to hanlde the sending stuff
and such).

Friendly,

Sven Luther

Re: libc reduction and powerpc/apus woody boot floppies.

[Sven L. <lu...@dp...>]

On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 06:21:36PM +0200, Giorgio Terzi wrote:
> 6) Tried to sobstitute the small library with the standard big libc2.2.2 
>    Test Succeded: the image began to bootstrap another time. 

Yes, i guess this is the real problem, ...

Ben Collins (the libc maintainer) seems to think that this behavior is because
you are using the wrong libc will linking the busybox executable.

I cannot do it here, but please mount the root.bin root image, and try an ldd
on the sbin/init executable.

BTW, i am not sure about what the meaning of the following are :

EXT2-fs warning: mounting unchecked fs, running e2fsck is recommended
VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem).
Freeing unused kernel memory: 100k init 32k prep 4k pmac 8k open firmware
Warning: unable to open an initial console.
Restarting system.

It tells you about being unable to open an initial console, why is that ? Does
this happen early, or later on when you try rebooting. In any case, this could
be due to missing devices, or somethine wrong with the fbcon in the kernel,
not sure though, maybe some of the other apus guys have more idea on this ? Or
even to the libc6 linkage problem.

Anyway we have to make sure that when you build busybox, it is against the
reduced libc6, which will go onto the boot floppy, and not the full one which
you have installed on your system.

Please also send me the output of :

$ dpkg -l libc6\*

And maybe if you could ftp me a log of the build of busybox ? simply type :

$ scirpt /tmp/busybox.build.log

before you build, and once it is builded, you can :

$ exit

and then send me the /tmp/busybox.buil.log file.

Friendly,

Sven Luther

Re: X + BVision + Debian + GNOME + Enlightenment problem

[Giles B. <lay...@th...>]

Hi Sven,

On 03-May-01, you wrote:


>> I just tried that, and X aborts because it says it's an unknown option.
>> No mention of that option in the man page for XF86Config either... At
>> least not in 3.3.6 release of X. Is it a 4.0 thing or am I just missing
>> something?
> 
> mmm, you are using 3.3.6, this explains a lot of things. 

I was afraid someone would say that... ;)

> 3.3.6 has not been worked on for the bvision since a long time, it would
> be better to try using 4.0.x, it is faster and so.
> 
> That said, i think there are potato compiled ppc packages of Xfree 4.0.x
> around somewhere, don't know for sure though. But maybe you would want to
> upgrade to testing or unstable now, the woody release is not that far
> away, i think.

I've had a hunt around on a debian mirror for anything looking like v4 and I
had no luck, even in the woody or unstable directories. I also checked out
XFree86.org and they don't have a PPC binary - most inconsiderate of them!
:)

Anyone know where this elusive beasty might be lurking on the net?

Thanks,

Giles

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