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[Lightningbug-devel] dirt status/potential upgrades

[Daniel K. G. <dk...@fi...>]

hey LB folks--

i know dirt isn't used very much these days.  we've often talked about
shutting down the site, but somehow, no one has come up with a
time/plan for doing so.  I'm not about to do that in this e-mail.

But in the coming weeks, as debian's next release nears stability, i'd
like use dirt as a guinea pig for the upgrade process from sarge to
etch.  The worst possible consequence would probably be for the
upgrade process to damage or destroy user data on that machine.  In
this extremely unlikely event, we might even lose access to the
machine for a little while.

So: please make sure if you have any data on dirt that you want to
keep, you've got a backup somewhere.  I'll back up the svn repository
and the cc.org database myself, so you don't need to worry about those
pieces.

If you have any strong objections to my using dirt this way (or you
have data you want me to back up that you can't get to for some
reason), please let me know.  If you think this is a fine idea, please
also let me know (i'm not sure if posting to this list is yelling into
the abyss or not).

Further e-mails about an eventual repurposing of dirt (what should
happen to cc.org?) are welcome.  But in the meantime, i'd like to test
the upgrade process on a real, configured, burned-in sarge machine
(for my own sake, and to contribute reports to the debian project),
and dirt seems like a low-risk place for that to me.

Regards,

	--dkg

Re: [Lightningbug-devel] dirt status/potential upgrades

[Jamie M. <jm...@ma...>]

On Mon Nov 20, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote:
> hey LB folks--
> 
> i know dirt isn't used very much these days.  we've often talked about
> shutting down the site, but somehow, no one has come up with a
> time/plan for doing so.  I'm not about to do that in this e-mail.
> 
> But in the coming weeks, as debian's next release nears stability, i'd
> like use dirt as a guinea pig for the upgrade process from sarge to
> etch.  The worst possible consequence would probably be for the
> upgrade process to damage or destroy user data on that machine.  In
> this extremely unlikely event, we might even lose access to the
> machine for a little while.
> 
> So: please make sure if you have any data on dirt that you want to
> keep, you've got a backup somewhere.  I'll back up the svn repository
> and the cc.org database myself, so you don't need to worry about those
> pieces.

No prob. FYI - the MonkeyFunk offsite back continues to run - which backs up
the entire database, and everything that is world readable in /home/cvsroot,
/home/svnroot, and /opt. Not do say that you shouldn't make another backup
though!


> 
> If you have any strong objections to my using dirt this way (or you
> have data you want me to back up that you can't get to for some
> reason), please let me know.  If you think this is a fine idea, please
> also let me know (i'm not sure if posting to this list is yelling into
> the abyss or not).

Yes - I'd love to hear your experiences!

> 
> Further e-mails about an eventual repurposing of dirt (what should
> happen to cc.org?) are welcome.  But in the meantime, i'd like to test
> the upgrade process on a real, configured, burned-in sarge machine
> (for my own sake, and to contribute reports to the debian project),
> and dirt seems like a low-risk place for that to me.

I think we should move cc to a static single html page on one of our shared
servers and re-purpose dirt as a backup server for the us social forum (which
should eventually be a dedicated server imho).

jamie



> 
> Regards,
> 
> 	--dkg
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Re: [Lightningbug-devel] dirt status/potential upgrades

[Daniel K. G. <dk...@fi...>]

On November 20, jm...@ma... said:

> No prob. FYI - the MonkeyFunk offsite back continues to run - which
> backs up the entire database, and everything that is world readable
> in /home/cvsroot, /home/svnroot, and /opt. Not do say that you
> shouldn't make another backup though!

cool.  good thing i don't have to do another backup! ;)

> Yes - I'd love to hear your experiences!

yeah, i was planning on posting them.

> I think we should move cc to a static single html page on one of our
> shared servers 

i think this is a fine idea, as long as i'm not the one who has to
write the static html page.  any objections to it?  anyone want to
take a crack at writing the placeholder page?

> and re-purpose dirt as a backup server for the us social forum
> (which should eventually be a dedicated server imho).

that would be a fitting legacy for dirt, i think.  I was also
considering it for the proposed new mf/pl svn/trac installation, but
these things could possibly share space, if we get it all configured
properly.

	--dkg

Re: [Lightningbug-devel] dirt status/potential upgrades

[Daniel K. G. <dk...@fi...>]

Ok, so let's do this.  Jamie, can you pick a server to put the static
HTML page on?

i'll write up a brief html page that covers the project, if no one
else will.  But you know what it's gonna look like:

  http://lair.fifthhorseman.net/~dkg/personal/cc.html

	--dkg

PS amanda, despite what your homepage says, i don't think that
   velociraptors could actually fly.  Perhaps the following diff would
   help:

--- index.html.orig	2006-11-27 16:41:26.641404750 -0500
+++ index.html	2006-11-27 16:41:40.938298250 -0500
@@ -75,7 +75,7 @@
 </ul>
 
 <p>If by some strange chance you came to this site looking for
-information on vicous flying dinosours, please accept my
+information on vicous dinosours (flying or otherwise), please accept my
 apologies. You'll find no such information here.</p>
 
 

Re: [Lightningbug-devel] dirt status/potential upgrades

[Jamie M. <jm...@ma...>]

On Mon Nov 27, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote:
> Ok, so let's do this.  Jamie, can you pick a server to put the static
> HTML page on?
> 
> i'll write up a brief html page that covers the project, if no one
> else will.  But you know what it's gonna look like:
> 
>   http://lair.fifthhorseman.net/~dkg/personal/cc.html

Cool - thanks for writing this up. I just setup the static site and did a
non-Matrix version here:

http://cc.mayfirst.org/

What do you all think? 

DNS seems to be handled by dirt (a.ns.counterconvention.org) and the b record
seems to be handled by an IP address that was managed by May First/People Link
so long ago I don't even recognize it (but the reverse DNS still says it:
davis.mayfirst.org).

If people are fine with the page - I guess we could update the NS record on
dirt to repoint it (chavez should respond to counterconvention.org and
www.counterconvention.org). I think a good long term move would be to switch
DNS control to a.ns.mayfirst.org and b.ns.mayfirst.org so we don't abandon the
secondary name server again!

jamie

> 
> 	--dkg
> 
> PS amanda, despite what your homepage says, i don't think that
>    velociraptors could actually fly.  Perhaps the following diff would
>    help:
> 
> --- index.html.orig	2006-11-27 16:41:26.641404750 -0500
> +++ index.html	2006-11-27 16:41:40.938298250 -0500
> @@ -75,7 +75,7 @@
>  </ul>
>  
>  <p>If by some strange chance you came to this site looking for
> -information on vicous flying dinosours, please accept my
> +information on vicous dinosours (flying or otherwise), please accept my
>  apologies. You'll find no such information here.</p>
>  
>  
> 
> 
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