Re: [Libmesh-devel] Still Really Dislike Automake

[Paul T. B. <ptb...@gm...>]

On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 3:24 PM Derek Gaston <fri...@gm...> wrote:

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> On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 3:19 PM Derek Gaston <fri...@gm...> wrote:
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>> -1. Rebuilding/linking of all the small executables every time
>> -2. In editor building broken (in multiple ways)
>> -3. Pain to add any single new file (especially headers)
>> -4. Thousands of Makefiles
>> -4b. Makefiles in include directories cause in-editor building to get
>> hung up (I have to switch to a .C file and build from there)
>> -5. Creating new examples is a HUGE pain
>> -6. Trying to use an example to try out a new feature (or editing an
>> existing example) also sucks.  You have to use pretty funky command-lines
>> just to get a single executable re-run.
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> Forgot one:
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> -7. Extraneous diffs that always come along with any change because tons
> of makefile garbage changed just by adding one file / directory / example.
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You guys get the blame for this one. There was insistence from MOOSE
developers that the bootstrapped build system be included in the master
tree. I was against it.


> In general: I just don't understand why the _build system_ should ever be
> changing!  This my main complaint with what we have with Automake and my
> main complaint against CMake as well.  The build system should only ever
> change if a change is actually needed to the _build system_.  It shouldn't
> change because of normal development activity (like adding a file!).
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> Derek
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