Thread: [libdb-develop] parts example
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From: Bruce D'A. <bd...@fa...> - 2004-01-15 19:13:11
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OK, I'm trying to wrap my head around FRBR and the parts stuff. Schematically, is this right, using an example of a speech? work = a speech title and creator expression = performance place and date manifestations = text [isPartOf] academic journal (parts details = volume, issue, pages) moving image [isPartOf] video compilation (parts details = ______ ) Bruce |
From: Morbus I. <mo...@di...> - 2004-01-15 20:09:31
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>OK, I'm trying to wrap my head around FRBR and the parts stuff. >Schematically, is this right, using an example of a speech? I'm still new with FRBR too, so take this with a grain of salt. ---------------------------------------------------- work1 = a speech title and creator expression1 = performance place and date manifestations1 = text Relationship: manifestation1 [isPartOf] work2 (parts details = volume, issue, pages) ---------------------------------------------------- work2 = academic journal expression2 = academic journal volume, issue manifestation2 = text (pages, etc.) Relationship: work2 containsPart work1 ---------------------------------------------------- That's the same thing you said (I think), just more verbose. To me, that looks right. The main problem that I see it, though, is that an article in a serial CAN be considered a work all by itself - it doesn't take a huge leap of faith to make that association. But, I rarely find myself think of scenes in a movie as individual, stand-alone entities: it's difficult to just pick 35 seconds of a movie and say "this stands alone". "this stands alone" seems to be a required assumption of FRBR, though they do mention "aggregate works", and that may be key to what we're trying to solve. If a movie is considered an aggregate work of images (it is, technically, frame by frame), then we've suddenly got logic on our side to take a 35 second piece of scenery and call it a work (or a "part"). ---------------------------------------------------- work1 = swimming scene with Kari Wuhrer expression1 = 15 seconds of filmed footage. manifestations1 = film Relationship: manifestation1 [isPartOf] work2 (parts details = duration) ---------------------------------------------------- work2 = Final Examination (movie) expression2 = Final Examination (YYYY; movie) manifestation2 = Final Examination (DVD) Relationship: work2 containsPart work1 ---------------------------------------------------- work3 = Poison (movie) expression3 = Poison (YYYY; movie) manifestation3 = Poison (DVD) Relationship: work3 containsPart work1 Relationship: work3 sharesPart work2 ---------------------------------------------------- Is that we're you're getting at? I had no responses to my similar query about parts in FRBR, but I think your mapping is a lot clearer that whatever gobbledygook I sprouted off to them. If the above is where you were heading, let me know and I'll pop it over to the FRBR list and face the silence again. -- Morbus Iff ( i put the demon back in codemonkey ) Culture: http://www.disobey.com/ and http://www.gamegrene.com/ Spidering Hacks: http://amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0596005776/disobeycom icq: 2927491 / aim: akaMorbus / yahoo: morbus_iff / jabber.org: morbus |
From: Bruce D'A. <bd...@fa...> - 2004-01-15 20:26:05
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On Jan 15, 2004, at 3:09 PM, Morbus Iff wrote: > The main problem that I see it, though, is that an article in a serial > CAN be considered a work all by itself - it doesn't take a huge leap > of faith to make that association. But, I rarely find myself think of > scenes in a movie as individual, stand-alone entities: it's difficult > to just pick 35 seconds of a movie and say "this stands alone". > > "this stands alone" seems to be a required assumption of FRBR, though > they do mention "aggregate works", and that may be key to what we're > trying to solve. If a movie is considered an aggregate work of images > (it is, technically, frame by frame), then we've suddenly got logic on > our side to take a 35 second piece of scenery and call it a work (or a > "part"). I'm too tired and busy to think hard about the details of your example just now (I didn't think a book or journal could be an expression, though am not sure), but in general: Yes, librarians aren't used to thinking much about parts. MODS didn't have that structure until I pointed out the problem and managed to convince a few people why they should care. For my needs they're essential: chapters, articles, and legal cases are all parts. But with respect to movies, obviously there could be some key scenes that might be catalogued as a part. That'd be rare I imagine. More common might be where there are clearly defined parts. For example, DVDs have titled and numbered scenes. Or say you have a compilation of television episodes on a single tape or DVD. In my example, I was imagining a video that had collected speeches. Bruce |
From: Morbus I. <mo...@di...> - 2004-01-15 20:39:01
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>common might be where there are clearly defined parts. For example, >DVDs have titled and numbered scenes. Or say you have a compilation of Well, the chapter titles would be placed under a "summarization": >A summarization of the content of an expression is an abstract, >summary, synopsis, etc., or a list of chapter headings, songs, parts, >etc. included in the expression. To make things more annoying, however, summarization's are only defined on an EXPRESSION of a movie. Rarely does a movie have chapters in the filmic visual/audio expression (the only one I can think of recently is KILL BILL VOLUME 1); they only show up once it gets to the manifestation stage. In LibDB, I've worked around this by making "summarization" an "annotation". An annotation can be defined against any entity (including people, corporations, and bodies). -- Morbus Iff ( i put the demon back in codemonkey ) Culture: http://www.disobey.com/ and http://www.gamegrene.com/ Spidering Hacks: http://amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0596005776/disobeycom icq: 2927491 / aim: akaMorbus / yahoo: morbus_iff / jabber.org: morbus |