Re: [Lcd4linux-devel] manpage for lcd4linux

[Xavier V. <xav...@fr...>]

Helli Martin, hello list !

> > ASP is a ***** with VB inside. I would better code my own web server
> >  than using it.
> LOL. I guess I disagree with your view on VB (since I make a living 
> writing code in VB, at least when the job calls for something written in 
> VB - just try to write some simple DTS scripts for SQL server with 
> anything else, and you'll know what I mean).
But SQL server is a ***** ;) In fact, I don't know really what DTS
  means, but PHP and Perl handle very well SQL request (maybe sql
 server doesn't use standard sql request).

> I don't know how easy to deploy PHP is (since I've never used it), but I 
> can't say that CGI scripts in perl are very hard to deploy (or even 
> write) - that's another thing I do for my day-job, and I find writing 
> and deploying perl CGI stuff rather straight forward. I also don't think 
> that CGI is "outdated" - it surely isn't as "hip" as JSP or PHP, but 
> then, I don't care much for hipness, when it comes to getting a job done 
> (as you may have guessed, I don't work in marketing...).
To deploy a PHP script, you copy it on the server as a HTML page, and
that's all ! Moreover, hosters prefer PHP and CGI for security and
quotas reasons. HOsters can decide how much cpu and memory a script can
use.

> > I'm not really sure to understand you. Is PHP-Website an online-editing
> > CMS ?
> I'm not sure what "online-editing CMS" would imply. With php-website, 
> one can change the content by filling out HTML forms (which in turn get 
> saved in a MySQL database, from which the actual pages are created) - if 
> that's "online-editing", then yes, it is.
Yes, hat what I meant, like zwe-lite is. But I really dislike thit
  solution because mysql request are slower than opening a file. I
 fact, it sounds more like a WiKi than like a CMS.

> > You're not clear at this. But My vision is to use PHP to 'assist' page
> >  writing : for 'normal' pages (not news or things like this), php is to
> >  insert headers, menu and things like this, and provide link(), img(),
> >  title() functions to avoid caring about which CSS class title use.
> Ok - in that case, I misunderstood your previous statement. But wouldn't 
> that mean that a change in the way a page looks would require a change 
> in the PHP code (since it hides the details about CSS classes and so 
> on)? Not that I hope we'd change the way the page looks like too often, 
> but having to change code to change the appearance somewhat contradicts 
> your point that "PHP generates HTML code, so it isn't heavier than pure 
> HTML".
Yes, but PHP code will be in a reduced set of files, with simple
 functions like this :
/* make a link to $to, in frame $window, printing $text */
function lien ($to, $where, $text)
{
  echo "\n<a href=\"$to\"";
  if ($where)
    echo " target=\"$where\"";
  echo ">$text</a>\n\n";
}

or this :
/* open a new paragraph */
function parag ($title = "")
{
  if ($title != "")
    {
      global $title_color;
      echo "<div class=\"ptitle\">\n";
      echo "$title\n";
      echo "</div>\n";
    }
  echo "<div class=\"pcontent\">\n";
}

The HTML code with class and folks show immediatly. And more cosmetical
changes will be done via CSS.

> Ok, that I surely can agree with. But that surely sounds like a CMS. I 
> guess the main thing we need to decide then is wether adding the 
> (relative) complexity is actually needed - I mean, how many people will 
> be updating the page? If Michael will be the only one (long term), it 
> would be hard to justify the extra work. If there are several people who 
> are willing to pick up the work, it sounds like the way to go.
Even it Michael is the only long-term maintainer, I think this engine
will be able to help him. Moreover, this would be the better way to
discard frames and include docbook-made documentation while looking
good.

But the better would be that I code a preliminary version, and we may
decide then. The claim is that I don't have any webspace with mysql. Can
anyone help me for this ? Michael, can I host this test in
http://lcd4linux.sf.net/test ?

Bye !
-- 
Xavier VELLO <xav...@fr...>