[kln2-devel] Solfege questions...

[Mo <Mo...@no...>]

> 
> On Wed, 3 Mar 2004, Silhusk wrote:
> > I agree, personally I didn't even know about the existence of the
> > Do-Ti-Te stuff!
> 
> OK. It is Fernando, Javier and Carlo against Mo. The case is closed:
> we stick to Do-Do#/Reb-Re stuff for now.
> 
> Mo, if you think Do-Di/Ra-Re is useful it can be coded in future, but
> even then Do-Do#/Reb-Re should be left as a default Solfeggio.
> 

I hate to beat the subject into the ground but I do think we should look
beyond our group and decide what is best for our users. Are we going to
implement this soon? Or can we set up a poll on the homepage and let
people vote for a determined period of time?

I have a feeling that maybe some of you may not completely understand
the Moveable Do system that I am suggesting. I wrote up an elaborate
e-mail explaining this system the other day but could not send it due to
e-mail problems. I'm not sure if I send it now if it would make a
difference or not. Let me know if you guys want me to try and resend it.
It might clear up some confusion on it(?). I don't know at this point.

On the other hand...I have never seen Solfege sung as some of you are
suggesting. So, I will be honest here and admit I don't completely
understand the method we have decided on so far. Is this Solfege system
suggesting an *altered* Fixed Do method? 

The Fixed Do system assigns the Solfege words to specific notes. The
note "C" will alway be "Do". The note "D" will always be "Re". But say
you have a "C#" ... in the Fixed Do system it will still assing "Do" to
this note. 

(These examples are written and sung as follows)
***************
The Fixed Do example (first three notes of scale):
C Major Scale: Do Re Mi
C Minor Scale: Do Re Mi

G Major Scale: Sol La Ti
G Major Scale: Sol La Ti

A Flat Minor Scale: La Ti Do Re Mi Fa Sol 
********************
********************
The Moveable Do system in contrast will assign "Do" to the root note. 
(First three notes of Scale)
C major scale: Do Re Mi
C minor scale: Do Re Me

G Major Scale: Do Re Mi
G Minor Scale: Do Re Me

A Flat Minor scale: Do Re Me Fa Sol La Te 
********************

On the other hand, the Solfege method that others are presenting here
made no indication if it is a movable system or a fixed system. This is
important to make this clear since it will have an effect on how we
implement this. Remeber, I have no experience in the suggested Solfege
method and I don't want to make assumptions.

Also, remember that Solfege was meant to be sung. The system was
developed by a Monk in the 11th(?) Century to teach people to
sight-sing. So with that in mind, are we suggesting that a "A Flat Minor
Natural Scale" is sung like this?

(Using the proposed "approved" method to the best of my understanding
but yet undefined if it is a MOVABLE or FIXED system.)

******************
MOVABLE DO SYSTEM
Written Solfege:
DOb REb MIb FAb SOLb LAb TIb

Sung Solfege:
"dough flat" "ray flat" "me flat" "fa flat" "sol flat" "la flat" tea
flat"
*******************
*******************
FIXED DO SYSTEM
Written Solfege:
LAb TIb DOb REb MIb FAb SOLb

Sung Solfege:
"la flat" "tea flat" "dough flat" "ray flat" "me flat" "fa flat" "sol
flat"
*******************

Can I repeat myself here? The Solfege method was developed with intent
of being sung. Singing an "A flat minor" scale and pronouncing each
"flat" is not really smooth. 

I could be way off in my understanding of our approved method. I could
be understand the whole proposed method wrong.

On the other hand, it seems that since we are going in this direction
for now, I really want to make this clear. Right now I am confused
because we are introducing "flats and sharps" into the solfege
vocabulary and that is something that I have not seen before. Nobody has
indicated if this was a Fixed or Movable Do System. And does one really
pronouce the words "sharp and flat" while singing in solfege in this
system? If so, why are we even bothering using solfege at all? We might
as well sing A minor like this:

A Flat - B Flat - C Flat - D Flat - E Flat ....



Thanks!!!
>From a confused Mo :)