From: Anna M. <gin...@in...> - 2013-12-03 13:44:55
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Hi, Firstly, I am a big Kdenlive fan. I co-authored a manual http://www.flossmanuals.net/how-to-use-video-editing-software/ on the subject last year and use kdenlive for my many video projects (so I am not spam, lol) I am working with Open Funding http://funding.openinitiative.com/ to assist developers to get crowd funding for Free Software. Open Funding works on a feature by feature basis. For example the core-team at gimp are funding a symmetry painting feature at the moment http://funding.openinitiative.com/funding/1578/ I am not sure how or if Kdenlive is funded at the moment, but I would very much like to assist any developer(s) who has an idea for a new feature to earn a little money to build it. Also, if you don't need/want to earn money for your work, you could always donate the funds to the project in general. This small scale funding is a great way for users (like myself) to give back, which they are often eager to do, but in a way which is very concrete, forward thinking and achievable. Its much simpler to set up than a large kickstarter campaign and is more deeply routed in the function of the software. Please let me know what you think and if you are interested in getting funding this way, either as a group of core-developers or, if not, as an individual developer. Thanks Anna Morris |
From: Christ-Jan W. <cj....@gm...> - 2013-12-03 16:47:37
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As i understand it currently KDEnlive was under a refactoring/rewrite so the code is currently broken. I havent looked at the branches and if it can be continued from a branch. This project seems very nice however in this case i feel like it needs some rewrites before features can be added. How does this project deal with rewrites as obviously they are not added features? I hope someone more knowledgeable about kdenlive can give more information though. Live long and prosper, Christ-Jan Wijtmans https://github.com/cjwijtmans http://facebook.com/cj.wijtmans http://twitter.com/cjwijtmans On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Anna Morris <gin...@in...>wrote: > Hi, > > Firstly, I am a big Kdenlive fan. I co-authored a manual > http://www.flossmanuals.net/how-to-use-video-editing-software/ on the > subject last year and use kdenlive for my many video projects (so I am > not spam, lol) > > I am working with Open Funding http://funding.openinitiative.com/ to > assist developers to get crowd funding for Free Software. Open Funding > works on a feature by feature basis. For example the core-team at gimp > are funding a symmetry painting feature at the moment > http://funding.openinitiative.com/funding/1578/ > > I am not sure how or if Kdenlive is funded at the moment, but I would > very much like to assist any developer(s) who has an idea for a new > feature to earn a little money to build it. Also, if you don't need/want > to earn money for your work, you could always donate the funds to the > project in general. > > This small scale funding is a great way for users (like myself) to give > back, which they are often eager to do, but in a way which is very > concrete, forward thinking and achievable. Its much simpler to set up > than a large kickstarter campaign and is more deeply routed in the > function of the software. > > Please let me know what you think and if you are interested in getting > funding this way, either as a group of core-developers or, if not, as an > individual developer. > > Thanks > > Anna Morris > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT > organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance > affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your > Java,.NET, & PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics > Pro! > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349351&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > _______________________________________________ > Kdenlive-devel mailing list > Kde...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/kdenlive-devel > > |
From: Anna M. <gin...@in...> - 2013-12-03 16:59:36
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If we could define what needed fixing and break it down into smaller goals then Open Funding would be an ideal platform to fund this. In fact, it would extremely well because funding does not need to be achieved all at once, but in stages as you go along, even on a bug by bug basis. This means that work can start sooner than if funding tried to raise enough for everything all at once. Is this breakdown into smaller tasks something you/someone could help with? I am really worried about kdenlive to be honest. My livelihood very much depends on it, and it seems to be in a bad way right now. I would love to get a funding campaign going to fix the old gall up a bit! Best Anna On 03/12/13 16:47, Christ-Jan Wijtmans wrote: > As i understand it currently KDEnlive was under a refactoring/rewrite > so the code is currently broken. I havent looked at the branches and > if it can be continued from a branch. This project seems very nice > however in this case i feel like it needs some rewrites before > features can be added. How does this project deal with rewrites as > obviously they are not added features? I hope someone more > knowledgeable about kdenlive can give more information though. > > > > Live long and prosper, > > Christ-Jan Wijtmans > https://github.com/cjwijtmans > http://facebook.com/cj.wijtmans > http://twitter.com/cjwijtmans > > > On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Anna Morris <gin...@in... > <mailto:gin...@in...>> wrote: > > Hi, > > Firstly, I am a big Kdenlive fan. I co-authored a manual > http://www.flossmanuals.net/how-to-use-video-editing-software/ on the > subject last year and use kdenlive for my many video projects (so I am > not spam, lol) > > I am working with Open Funding http://funding.openinitiative.com/ to > assist developers to get crowd funding for Free Software. Open Funding > works on a feature by feature basis. For example the core-team at gimp > are funding a symmetry painting feature at the moment > http://funding.openinitiative.com/funding/1578/ > > I am not sure how or if Kdenlive is funded at the moment, but I would > very much like to assist any developer(s) who has an idea for a new > feature to earn a little money to build it. Also, if you don't > need/want > to earn money for your work, you could always donate the funds to the > project in general. > > This small scale funding is a great way for users (like myself) to > give > back, which they are often eager to do, but in a way which is very > concrete, forward thinking and achievable. Its much simpler to set up > than a large kickstarter campaign and is more deeply routed in the > function of the software. > > Please let me know what you think and if you are interested in getting > funding this way, either as a group of core-developers or, if not, > as an > individual developer. > > Thanks > > Anna Morris > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. > Most IT > organizations don't have a clear picture of how application > performance > affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility > into your > Java,.NET, & PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of > AppDynamics Pro! > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349351&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > _______________________________________________ > Kdenlive-devel mailing list > Kde...@li... > <mailto:Kde...@li...> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/kdenlive-devel > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT > organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance > affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your > Java,.NET, & PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics Pro! > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349351&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > > > _______________________________________________ > Kdenlive-devel mailing list > Kde...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/kdenlive-devel |
From: Vincent P. <vin...@la...> - 2013-12-03 19:00:28
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Money can't do everything ;-) It appears that none of the past contributors is available to work on it at the moment, even for paid hours? And other potential contributors (like me) can get involved just for the pleasure to feel useful to others, to defend the free software cause or whatever. I would feel like usurper beeing paid for very amateur programming skills, and can't justify time taken over professional or personal life. Lastly I would not find it fair regarding all the voluntary work JBM did provide (I guess it was not his day job looking at the time and days he used to commit his changes). But don't misinterpret my thoughts: I wouldn't blame anybody taking the job but rather thank him/her, if we find someone to hire for the tasks we need? (or a company taking the project lead?) And sorry again if my tactless reflections might hurt... Le 03/12/2013 17:59, Anna Morris a écrit : > If we could define what needed fixing and break it down into smaller > goals then Open Funding would be an ideal platform to fund this. > > In fact, it would extremely well because funding does not need to be > achieved all at once, but in stages as you go along, even on a bug by > bug basis. This means that work can start sooner than if funding tried > to raise enough for everything all at once. > > Is this breakdown into smaller tasks something you/someone could help with? > > I am really worried about kdenlive to be honest. My livelihood very much > depends on it, and it seems to be in a bad way right now. I would love > to get a funding campaign going to fix the old gall up a bit! > > Best > > Anna > > On 03/12/13 16:47, Christ-Jan Wijtmans wrote: >> As i understand it currently KDEnlive was under a refactoring/rewrite >> so the code is currently broken. I havent looked at the branches and >> if it can be continued from a branch. This project seems very nice >> however in this case i feel like it needs some rewrites before >> features can be added. How does this project deal with rewrites as >> obviously they are not added features? I hope someone more >> knowledgeable about kdenlive can give more information though. >> >> >> >> Live long and prosper, >> >> Christ-Jan Wijtmans >> https://github.com/cjwijtmans >> http://facebook.com/cj.wijtmans >> http://twitter.com/cjwijtmans >> >> >> On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Anna Morris <gin...@in... >> <mailto:gin...@in...>> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Firstly, I am a big Kdenlive fan. I co-authored a manual >> http://www.flossmanuals.net/how-to-use-video-editing-software/ on the >> subject last year and use kdenlive for my many video projects (so I am >> not spam, lol) >> >> I am working with Open Funding http://funding.openinitiative.com/ to >> assist developers to get crowd funding for Free Software. Open Funding >> works on a feature by feature basis. For example the core-team at gimp >> are funding a symmetry painting feature at the moment >> http://funding.openinitiative.com/funding/1578/ >> >> I am not sure how or if Kdenlive is funded at the moment, but I would >> very much like to assist any developer(s) who has an idea for a new >> feature to earn a little money to build it. Also, if you don't >> need/want >> to earn money for your work, you could always donate the funds to the >> project in general. >> >> This small scale funding is a great way for users (like myself) to >> give >> back, which they are often eager to do, but in a way which is very >> concrete, forward thinking and achievable. Its much simpler to set up >> than a large kickstarter campaign and is more deeply routed in the >> function of the software. >> >> Please let me know what you think and if you are interested in getting >> funding this way, either as a group of core-developers or, if not, >> as an >> individual developer. >> >> Thanks >> >> Anna Morris >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. >> Most IT >> organizations don't have a clear picture of how application >> performance >> affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility >> into your >> Java,.NET, & PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of >> AppDynamics Pro! >> http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349351&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk >> _______________________________________________ >> Kdenlive-devel mailing list >> Kde...@li... >> <mailto:Kde...@li...> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/kdenlive-devel >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT >> organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance >> affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your >> Java,.NET, & PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics Pro! >> http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349351&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Kdenlive-devel mailing list >> Kde...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/kdenlive-devel > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT > organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance > affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your > Java,.NET, & PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics Pro! > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349351&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > > > _______________________________________________ > Kdenlive-devel mailing list > Kde...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/kdenlive-devel |
From: Christ-Jan W. <cj....@gm...> - 2013-12-05 08:54:02
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I will take a look at the source in the weekend and see if i have any abilities to improve it. Live long and prosper, Christ-Jan Wijtmans https://github.com/cjwijtmans http://facebook.com/cj.wijtmans http://twitter.com/cjwijtmans On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Anna Morris <gin...@in...>wrote: > On 03/12/13 19:00, Vincent PINON wrote: > > And sorry again if my tactless reflections might hurt... > > No need to apologise at all in my view - I also feel this way about much > of the work I do as a volunteer. > > My personal view, in this situation, is that if a programmer knows that > their time is worth a certain amount of money bu that they would happily > do the work for free, they could consider getting the funding and giving > the money back into the central funds. > > But in reality the concern for Kdenlive right now seems to be clarifying > the situation and finding a new lead (or company) to nurture this > wonderful project :) > > Anna > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Sponsored by Intel(R) XDK > Develop, test and display web and hybrid apps with a single code base. > Download it for free now! > > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=111408631&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > _______________________________________________ > Kdenlive-devel mailing list > Kde...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/kdenlive-devel > > |
From: Anna M. <gin...@in...> - 2013-12-05 12:38:07
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Great! :) Anna On 05/12/13 08:53, Christ-Jan Wijtmans wrote: > I will take a look at the source in the weekend and see if i have any > abilities to improve it. > > > Live long and prosper, > > Christ-Jan Wijtmans > https://github.com/cjwijtmans > http://facebook.com/cj.wijtmans > http://twitter.com/cjwijtmans > > > On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Anna Morris <gin...@in... > <mailto:gin...@in...>> wrote: > > On 03/12/13 19:00, Vincent PINON wrote: > > And sorry again if my tactless reflections might hurt... > > No need to apologise at all in my view - I also feel this way > about much > of the work I do as a volunteer. > > My personal view, in this situation, is that if a programmer knows > that > their time is worth a certain amount of money bu that they would > happily > do the work for free, they could consider getting the funding and > giving > the money back into the central funds. > > But in reality the concern for Kdenlive right now seems to be > clarifying > the situation and finding a new lead (or company) to nurture this > wonderful project :) > > Anna > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Sponsored by Intel(R) XDK > Develop, test and display web and hybrid apps with a single code base. > Download it for free now! > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=111408631&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > _______________________________________________ > Kdenlive-devel mailing list > Kde...@li... > <mailto:Kde...@li...> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/kdenlive-devel > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Sponsored by Intel(R) XDK > Develop, test and display web and hybrid apps with a single code base. > Download it for free now! > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=111408631&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > > > _______________________________________________ > Kdenlive-devel mailing list > Kde...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/kdenlive-devel |
From: Anna M. <gin...@in...> - 2013-12-04 13:35:54
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On 03/12/13 19:00, Vincent PINON wrote: > And sorry again if my tactless reflections might hurt... No need to apologise at all in my view - I also feel this way about much of the work I do as a volunteer. My personal view, in this situation, is that if a programmer knows that their time is worth a certain amount of money bu that they would happily do the work for free, they could consider getting the funding and giving the money back into the central funds. But in reality the concern for Kdenlive right now seems to be clarifying the situation and finding a new lead (or company) to nurture this wonderful project :) Anna |
From: Till T. <ro...@tt...> - 2013-12-16 20:33:54
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 12/03/2013 02:44 PM, Anna Morris wrote: > Hi, > > Firstly, I am a big Kdenlive fan. I co-authored a manual > http://www.flossmanuals.net/how-to-use-video-editing-software/ on > the subject last year and use kdenlive for my many video projects > (so I am not spam, lol) > > I am working with Open Funding http://funding.openinitiative.com/ > to assist developers to get crowd funding for Free Software. Open > Funding works on a feature by feature basis. For example the > core-team at gimp are funding a symmetry painting feature at the > moment http://funding.openinitiative.com/funding/1578/ > > I am not sure how or if Kdenlive is funded at the moment, but I > would very much like to assist any developer(s) who has an idea for > a new feature to earn a little money to build it. Also, if you > don't need/want to earn money for your work, you could always > donate the funds to the project in general. > > This small scale funding is a great way for users (like myself) to > give back, which they are often eager to do, but in a way which is > very concrete, forward thinking and achievable. Its much simpler to > set up than a large kickstarter campaign and is more deeply routed > in the function of the software. > > Please let me know what you think and if you are interested in > getting funding this way, either as a group of core-developers or, > if not, as an individual developer. Hi Anna Moris, thanks for sharing an insight into your project! As others have also recently mentioned, the problem is that currently none of the developers (including me) has time to do funded work. Additionally we still have money left from our big campaign last year, so especially small scale projects could be covered. Before this could be done however we would need to discuss the relationship between funded work on individual features/bugs and the rest done in the developers' spare time. regards, Till > > Thanks > > Anna Morris > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlKvZHYACgkQzwEyz7QP6nR8twCglevtCqkhLn1sh6rQQ/xU1jR0 3IoAoIEMV7m9O6eJ/8veLNJUns1vMXFC =JP9A -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
From: Anna M. <gin...@in...> - 2013-12-16 20:42:16
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On 16/12/13 20:37, Till Theato wrote: > As others have also recently mentioned, the problem is that currently > none of the developers (including me) has time to do funded work. Yes, I can see there is a real problem here. Kdenlive could really do with a full time dev. I can imagine it would be possible to achieve that financially - but finding right person to do it seems to be an issue. Anna |
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Le lundi 16 décembre 2013 21:42:07, Anna Morris a écrit : > On 16/12/13 20:37, Till Theato wrote: > > As others have also recently mentioned, the problem is that currently > > none of the developers (including me) has time to do funded work. > > Yes, I can see there is a real problem here. Kdenlive could really do > with a full time dev. I can imagine it would be possible to achieve that > financially - but finding right person to do it seems to be an issue. > > > Anna If we have money to spend ;) maybe we could find contacts from specialized consultant companies (KDE/Qt)? ... Laurent's signature mentions KDAB, could it be a start? Do you know colleagues with more free time, students to advise? Even for a *SoC we seem stuck, as we would need a mentor, and I am not sure anyone could take that role? BR, Vincent |
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On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 22:54:42 +0100 Vincent Pinon <vin...@la...> wrote: > Even for a *SoC we seem stuck, as we would need a mentor, and I am not sure > anyone could take that role? I am not trying to dissuade anyone from applying, but before you need mentors you need SoC admins. It is a lot more work than it appears, and getting accepted is definitely not guaranteed. |
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On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 01:07:04PM -0900, Lou wrote: > I am not trying to dissuade anyone from applying, but before you need > mentors you need SoC admins. It is a lot more work than it appears, and > getting accepted is definitely not guaranteed. If I'm not mistaken kdenlive is now a KDE project, and can therefore go under the KDE umbrella for gsoc. KDE has very capable SoC admins, so the only thing kdenlive needs is mentors. -- Martin Sandsmark |
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On Thu, 19 Dec 2013 15:36:03 +0100 Martin Sandsmark <mar...@kd...> wrote: > If I'm not mistaken kdenlive is now a KDE project, and can therefore go under > the KDE umbrella for gsoc. KDE has very capable SoC admins, so the only thing > kdenlive needs is mentors. I see. That's good. Sorry for the noise. |
From: Anna M. <gin...@in...> - 2013-12-20 12:06:43
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On 20/12/13 07:11, Lou wrote: > On Thu, 19 Dec 2013 15:36:03 +0100 > Martin Sandsmark <mar...@kd...> wrote: > >> If I'm not mistaken kdenlive is now a KDE project, and can therefore go under >> the KDE umbrella for gsoc. KDE has very capable SoC admins, so the only thing >> kdenlive needs is mentors. > I see. That's good. > > Sorry for the noise. To ask more questions here, is Kdenlive using the resources of KDE at the moment? It sounds like there might be help available there? I haven't heard much about this relationship so I wonder if an examination of Kdenlive+KDE might be helpful in resolving some of the issues? Thanks Anna |
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On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 12:06:32PM +0000, Anna Morris wrote: > To ask more questions here, is Kdenlive using the resources of KDE at > the moment? It sounds like there might be help available there? I > haven't heard much about this relationship so I wonder if an examination > of Kdenlive+KDE might be helpful in resolving some of the issues? What kind of resources are you thinking about? KDE is a community. -- Martin Sandsmark |
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On 20/12/13 13:31, Martin Sandsmark wrote: > What kind of resources are you thinking about? KDE is a community. On 20/12/13 07:11, Lou wrote: > KDE has very capable SoC admins, so the only thing kdenlive needs is mentors. I am not making specific suggestions - as I am not a developer and don't know exactly what kdenlive needs. I would assume, however, that kde as a community would want to know that there have been some problems for kdenlive and would wish to offer whatever support is needed if they can. Perhaps a direct appeal to the KDE community for whatever people or facilities we need could help? How many roles could be filled by people not yet intimate with kdenlive code? Mentors for example, or strategists :S Anna |
From: Martin S. <mar...@kd...> - 2013-12-20 13:58:37
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On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 01:44:50PM +0000, Anna Morris wrote: > I am not making specific suggestions - as I am not a developer and don't > know exactly what kdenlive needs. I would assume, however, that kde as a > community would want to know that there have been some problems for > kdenlive and would wish to offer whatever support is needed if they can. kdenlive is not the only project lacking developers, believe it or not. :-) Sure, someone could send a mail to kde...@kd... or post on PlanetKDE asking for help. But I think that if people were interested in working on video-editing they would already be doing so. > How many roles could be filled by people not yet intimate with kdenlive > code? Mentors for example, or strategists :S The point of having mentors is (AFAIK) two-fold; for the students to have someone to turn to when they get stuck with something they don't understand, and to make sure students are progressing, evaluating how they're doing. I don't see how someone not familiar with kdenlive could do this. The other issue is that those that can mentor would rather mentor for projects they are already involved with. I'm not sure I understand what you mean with "strategists" in this context. -- Martin Sandsmark |