From: Mads B. D. <ma...@dy...> - 2008-09-13 21:17:38
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Hi there It seems the quality of the bug reports on http://www.kdenlive.org/mantis are below par in many cases. Would it be OK to start asking people for more information - and perhaps suggest that the bugs gets closed if people run the KDE 3 version? Regards Mads -- Mads Bondo Dydensborg ma...@dy... http://www.madsdydensborg.dk/ They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Ben Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759 |
From: Jean-Michel P. <jm...@po...> - 2008-09-14 07:44:40
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Le samedi 13 septembre 2008 à 23:17 +0200, Mads Bondo Dydensborg a écrit : > It seems the quality of the bug reports on > http://www.kdenlive.org/mantis are > below par in many cases. Would it be OK to start asking people for > more > information - and perhaps suggest that the bugs gets closed if people > run the > KDE 3 version? +1, KDE3 is completely deprecated. I am doing my best to close bugs. Last week, I closed 5 bugs or so. Mantis is a pretty neat tool and I recommend involded folks to ask for admin access to JB. Kind regards, Jean-Michel |
From: José J. <lis...@fr...> - 2008-09-14 09:29:57
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A Sunday 14 September 2008 09:44:45, Jean-Michel Pouré escreveu: > +1, KDE3 is completely deprecated. While I know that no developpers are interested in KDE3 version, I'm not sure what end users can think about that : we have a working tool (Kdenlive 0.5 for me) that allows people to produce movies. I've still not found a distributed (as in Linux distributions) Kdenlive that "Just Works". What can end users feel if their bug reports are given up? |
From: Mads B. D. <ma...@dy...> - 2008-09-14 10:04:20
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søndag 14 September 2008 skrev José JORGE: > A Sunday 14 September 2008 09:44:45, Jean-Michel Pouré escreveu: > > > +1, KDE3 is completely deprecated. > > While I know that no developpers are interested in KDE3 version, I'm not sure > what end users can think about that : we have a working tool (Kdenlive 0.5 > for me) that allows people to produce movies. I've still not found a > distributed (as in Linux distributions) Kdenlive that "Just Works". > > What can end users feel if their bug reports are given up? The alternative is to ignore them, because AFAIK, nobody is fixing anything in the KDE3 version. Thats sort of bad too. In my opinion, when filing a bug, it should state somewhere, that no one is working on the KDE 3 version. Regards Mads -- Mads Bondo Dydensborg ma...@dy... http://www.madsdydensborg.dk/ I don't say this lightly. However, I really think that the U.S. no longer is classifiable as a democracy, but rather as a plutocracy. - H. Peter Anvin |
From: Stian R. E. <st...@ju...> - 2008-09-14 10:45:10
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On Sun, 2008-09-14 at 11:29 +0200, José JORGE wrote: > While I know that no developpers are interested in KDE3 version, I'm not sure > what end users can think about that : we have a working tool (Kdenlive 0.5 > for me) that allows people to produce movies. I've still not found a > distributed (as in Linux distributions) Kdenlive that "Just Works". For me, Kdenlive 0.5 on Ubuntu 7.10 works pretty flawlessly. |
From: Jose J. <lis...@fr...> - 2008-09-14 17:06:28
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Stian Rødven Eide a écrit : >> I've still not found a >> distributed (as in Linux distributions) Kdenlive that "Just Works". >> > > For me, Kdenlive 0.5 on Ubuntu 7.10 works pretty flawlessly. > > You're right, I meant a KDE 4 based version... |
From: Mads B. D. <ma...@dy...> - 2008-09-14 08:57:50
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søndag 14 September 2008 skrev Jean-Michel Pouré: > Le samedi 13 septembre 2008 à 23:17 +0200, Mads Bondo Dydensborg a > écrit : > > It seems the quality of the bug reports on > > http://www.kdenlive.org/mantis are > > below par in many cases. Would it be OK to start asking people for > > more > > information - and perhaps suggest that the bugs gets closed if people > > run the > > KDE 3 version? > > +1, KDE3 is completely deprecated. Yes, I agree. Wouldn't you say that a bug like http://www.kdenlive.org/mantis/view.php?id=156 should just get a "Wont' fix/Closed" (I am more familiar with the Bugzilla bug tracker)? > > I am doing my best to close bugs. Last week, I closed 5 bugs or so. > Mantis is a pretty neat tool and I recommend involded folks to ask for > admin access to JB. I wouldn't mind pruning out some obvious. Should I ask on this list, or directly to JB? Regards Mads -- Mads Bondo Dydensborg ma...@dy... http://www.madsdydensborg.dk/ Those who have challenged the inequalities of global trade have pointed to the fact that some of the world's richest nations once used tariff barriers to devastating effect in building their economies. But the history of patent protection suggests that that is not the only means by which the rich nations have raised the drawbridge after entering the castle. When it suits the rich countries to impose free trade, they do so. When it suits them to impose protectionism, they argue that this is the only path to development. But woe betide the poor nation which seeks to apply the lessons of the past. - George Monbiot on Patent nonsense |
From: jb <jb...@kd...> - 2008-09-24 19:06:28
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On Sunday 14 September 2008 10:57:34 Mads Bondo Dydensborg wrote: > søndag 14 September 2008 skrev Jean-Michel Pouré: > > > It seems the quality of the bug reports on > > > http://www.kdenlive.org/mantis are > > > below par in many cases. Would it be OK to start asking people for > > > more > > > information - and perhaps suggest that the bugs gets closed if people > > > run the > > > KDE 3 version? I agree that KDE3 version bugs should be marked as "won't fix", maybe with a small note saying that the bug is not applicable or cannot be reproduced on the KDE4 version... also ok for me to ask more info or an update on bugs that lack info. > I wouldn't mind pruning out some obvious. Should I ask on this list, or > directly to JB? to Mads: I just changed your access rights on the Kdenlive's mantis bug tracker, so you should be able to close bugs. regards jb |
From: J. A. F. A. <el...@gm...> - 2008-09-24 23:40:59
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why not looking for being able to reproduce the bug in the KDE4 version? if it cant be reproduced, then bug is fixed On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 9:15 PM, jb <jb...@kd...> wrote: > On Sunday 14 September 2008 10:57:34 Mads Bondo Dydensborg wrote: > > søndag 14 September 2008 skrev Jean-Michel Pouré: > > > > It seems the quality of the bug reports on > > > > http://www.kdenlive.org/mantis are > > > > below par in many cases. Would it be OK to start asking people for > > > > more > > > > information - and perhaps suggest that the bugs gets closed if people > > > > run the > > > > KDE 3 version? > > I agree that KDE3 version bugs should be marked as "won't fix", maybe with > a > small note saying that the bug is not applicable or cannot be reproduced on > the KDE4 version... also ok for me to ask more info or an update on bugs > that > lack info. > > > I wouldn't mind pruning out some obvious. Should I ask on this list, or > > directly to JB? > > to Mads: > I just changed your access rights on the Kdenlive's mantis bug tracker, so > you should be able to close bugs. > > regards > jb > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's > challenge > Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great > prizes > Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world > http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ > _______________________________________________ > Kdenlive-devel mailing list > Kde...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/kdenlive-devel > |
From: Mads B. D. <ma...@dy...> - 2008-09-25 07:31:27
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torsdag 25 September 2008 skrev Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo: > why not looking for being able to reproduce the bug in the KDE4 version? > if it cant be reproduced, then bug is fixed Yes, that may be a better way to go about it. I am not sure all bugs can even be reproduced, but perhaps I should try. I closed 20 bugs yesterday, that were all filed against the KDE3 version, using this text: ----- It appears this bug was filed against the KDE3/qt3 version of Kdenlive. This version is no longer supported, and this issue has been closed. If you believe this is an error, or can reproduce this issue using the KDE4/qt4 version of Kdenlive, please file a new report. If you have trouble building/obtaining the KDE4/qt4 version of Kdenlive, please consult http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Kdenlive/Getting_and_installing You may especially be interessted in the Kdenlive Builder Wizard, available at http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=85826 . ------ If consensus is that they should be reopened, I will reopen them, and investigate further. Obviously, this will delay the process considerably. At least one user was really annoyed with this approach: http://www.kdenlive.org/mantis/view.php?id=174 My main focus is to try to make the mantis database a more useful tool for tracking the status of the development. There are many, many bug reports that, IMHO, are lacking. So, what should I do? Reopen and try to reproduce? Or? Mads > > On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 9:15 PM, jb <jb...@kd...> wrote: > > > On Sunday 14 September 2008 10:57:34 Mads Bondo Dydensborg wrote: > > > søndag 14 September 2008 skrev Jean-Michel Pouré: > > > > > It seems the quality of the bug reports on > > > > > http://www.kdenlive.org/mantis are > > > > > below par in many cases. Would it be OK to start asking people for > > > > > more > > > > > information - and perhaps suggest that the bugs gets closed if people > > > > > run the > > > > > KDE 3 version? > > > > I agree that KDE3 version bugs should be marked as "won't fix", maybe with > > a > > small note saying that the bug is not applicable or cannot be reproduced on > > the KDE4 version... also ok for me to ask more info or an update on bugs > > that > > lack info. > > > > > I wouldn't mind pruning out some obvious. Should I ask on this list, or > > > directly to JB? > > > > to Mads: > > I just changed your access rights on the Kdenlive's mantis bug tracker, so > > you should be able to close bugs. > > > > regards > > jb > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's > > challenge > > Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great > > prizes > > Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world > > http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Kdenlive-devel mailing list > > Kde...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/kdenlive-devel > > > -- Mads Bondo Dydensborg ma...@dy... http://www.madsdydensborg.dk/ It is a look [of indecision and fear] I know well - if he had been a subordinate commander in battle I would have immediately relieved him of his command. General Sir Michael Rose, Former Commander of the UN Protection Force in Bosnia, on Pres. Bushs 5 minutes lack of reaction to the attack on the World Trade Center. 2004.07.01 |
From: jb <jb...@kd...> - 2008-09-26 10:17:39
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On Thursday 25 September 2008 09:14:13 Mads Bondo Dydensborg wrote: > I closed 20 bugs yesterday, that were all filed against the KDE3 version, > using this text: Great, thanks for the help. > At least one user was really annoyed with this approach: > http://www.kdenlive.org/mantis/view.php?id=174 > My main focus is to try to make the mantis database a more useful tool for > tracking the status of the development. There are many, many bug reports > that, IMHO, are lacking. I think you are right, the bug tracker must be useful for developers and help fixing issues. We currently don't have enough developers to maintain different versions, so my opinion is that we can close KDE3 bugs (unless is seems like a feature request or a bug that obviously still applies to KDE4 version). I understand that it can be frustrating for some users, but they need to realize that there is only one regular contributor to Kdenlive's code and that it's a huge job. I really think the people involved here try to do their best. regards jb |
From: Michael S. <mi...@os...> - 2008-09-28 00:05:53
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On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 11:10:56AM +0200, jb wrote: > I understand that it can be frustrating for some users, but > they need to realize that there is only one regular contributor > to Kdenlive's code and that it's a huge job. I really think the > people involved here try to do their best. Could it help to write sorta official statement on KDE3 branch at kdenlive.org and link there while closing ancient/broken bugs? -- ---- WBR, Michael Shigorin <mi...@al...> ------ Linux.Kiev http://www.linux.kiev.ua/ |
From: Mads B. D. <ma...@dy...> - 2008-09-28 08:59:48
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søndag 28 September 2008 skrev Michael Shigorin: > On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 11:10:56AM +0200, jb wrote: > > I understand that it can be frustrating for some users, but > > they need to realize that there is only one regular contributor > > to Kdenlive's code and that it's a huge job. I really think the > > people involved here try to do their best. > > Could it help to write sorta official statement on KDE3 branch > at kdenlive.org and link there while closing ancient/broken > bugs? There actually is a page about it at http://www.kdenlive.org/news.php I will link to that from now on. Regards Mads -- Mads Bondo Dydensborg ma...@dy... http://www.madsdydensborg.dk/ I find the whole business of religion profoundly interesting. But it does mystify me that otherwise intelligent people take it seriously. - Douglas Adams |