Re: [Kaldi-users] reproducing numbers in wsj/s5

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Found the problem! It's in local/score.sh -- in rev 2443 you added an
option for using word insertion penalty before which the lattice
acoustic scores get scaled by lm weight. But the lattice-best-path is
also using a scaling, and so the scores are being scaled twice. The
fix is in the repository. But I haven't checked if the word insertion
penalty has been added to other scoring scripts as well.

Hao, please rerun and you should get something around 34.76% for dev93.

On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Mailing list used for User
Communication and Updates <kal...@li...> wrote:
> BTW, I suspect local/make_lexicon_fst.pl
> I made a change which I thought was a simple bug fix that would not affect
> anything.
> Dan
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 12:33 PM, Mailing list used for User Communication
> and Updates <kal...@li...> wrote:
>>
>> There seems to be something broken with the current WSJ setup. I reran
>> the setup today and I am getting similar results as Hao. For example,
>> an older setup gets 34.98% on dev93, while the system trained today
>> gets 47.79%. The problem is not features, since the older model with
>> the new features is 34.76%. The problem is also not the dict/lm since
>> the old model with new dict/lm and old features gets 34.98%. It is
>> unlikely to be the new model, since the log-likelihood numbers are in
>> the same ballpark. My current best guess is that some setting in the
>> decode/scoring scripts has changed, which is causing the problem. I am
>> looking into this in more detail.
>> -Arnab
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 8:02 AM, Mailing list used for User
>> Communication and Updates <kal...@li...> wrote:
>> > Here are the log for the last update with different number of jobs. I
>> > don't see much of a difference.
>> >
>> > In terms of likelihood shown below, they are pretty consistent.
>> >
>> > nj=2 -109.265 -> -95.5657
>> > nj=4 -109.265 -> -95.5599
>> > nj=8 -109.265 -> -95.556
>> >
>> > Hao
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Mailing list used for User
>> > Communication and Updates <kal...@li...> wrote:
>> >> OK, I have an idea what might have happened.  It's possible that
>> >> because you
>> >> are using such a small number of parallel jobs (2), there is a problem
>> >> due
>> >> to numerical roundoff.  This should not be the case because we
>> >> accumulate in
>> >> double, but to see whether this is a factor, could you please run the
>> >> training with more jobs?  E.g. 4 or 8? See if the likelihoods change.
>> >> Also,
>> >> show me the full log from the last update, both before and after you
>> >> make
>> >> the change.
>> >> Dan
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 6:23 PM, Mailing list used for User
>> >> Communication and
>> >> Updates <kal...@li...> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> They are almost identical.
>> >>>
>> >>> 011c0201  [
>> >>>   46.88603 -32.66241 -11.9018 -14.99819 -4.834829 -2.596024 -5.20842
>> >>> 2.553219 3.935668 10.76861 9.013732 4.780495 -3.26797
>> >>>   46.34384 -33.52037 -10.28797 -11.47937 -5.18444 -6.867837 -12.17628
>> >>> -6.932252 -7.423642 -1.106863 3.337547 -0.5728683 0.6971088
>> >>>   46.81014 -31.05773 -7.440363 -11.46406 -5.926405 -2.568082 -3.351704
>> >>> -5.60004 -8.281031 -9.46069 6.799883 6.513657 -7.97058
>> >>>   46.8651 -30.11357 -5.052508 -11.06986 -6.155907 -2.664125 -10.907
>> >>> -8.487434 -3.194182 -6.367419 6.390572 0.01187897 -0.1876552
>> >>>   46.92208 -33.49314 -9.207784 -12.05287 -5.494797 -4.269251 -9.91317
>> >>> -1.722169 -0.7680084 -2.61649 9.212611 7.324253 12.41928
>> >>>   46.8317 -32.19164 -8.810924 -12.31202 -3.736232 -1.335111 -8.361964
>> >>> -2.103669 -3.199154 -6.140819 -8.036694 -8.49004 2.942402
>> >>>   47.34614 -33.04692 -7.571927 -8.986547 -3.523783 1.130056 -3.151051
>> >>> 3.572649 3.381185 -3.117306 -2.670765 2.165989 0.3512498
>> >>>   46.63126 -33.57331 -11.13035 -7.506401 2.113542 3.268812 -1.814186
>> >>> 2.770102 -4.381135 -3.264607 -3.549407 2.463478 -0.7675163
>> >>>   46.31366 -33.00954 -6.964884 -6.109343 -7.121595 -4.326707 -10.80855
>> >>> -6.96949 6.597637 4.109591 1.001096 2.592361 6.154362
>> >>>
>> >>> Hao
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Mailing list used for User
>> >>> Communication and Updates <kal...@li...> wrote:
>> >>> > OK, everything there looks pretty normal.  Let's check the features.
>> >>> > Try
>> >>> > doing
>> >>> >
>> >>> >  path.sh; copy-feats scp:data/train_si284/feats.scp ark,t:- | head
>> >>> > copy-feats scp:data/train_si284/feats.scp ark,t:-
>> >>> > 011c0201  [
>> >>> >   46.88603 -32.66241 -11.9018 -14.99819 -4.834829 -2.596024 -5.20842
>> >>> > 2.553219 3.935668 10.76861 9.013732 4.780495 -3.267961
>> >>> >   46.34384 -33.52037 -10.28797 -11.47937 -5.184441 -6.867837
>> >>> > -12.17628
>> >>> > -6.93225 -7.423645 -1.106866 3.337547 -0.5728683 0.6970833
>> >>> >   46.81014 -31.05773 -7.440367 -11.46406 -5.926404 -2.568073
>> >>> > -3.351702
>> >>> > -5.60004 -8.281028 -9.460709 6.799894 6.513657 -7.970572
>> >>> >   46.8651 -30.11357 -5.052508 -11.06986 -6.155907 -2.664125 -10.907
>> >>> > -8.487434 -3.194182 -6.367419 6.390572 0.01187897 -0.1876552
>> >>> >   46.92208 -33.49314 -9.207782 -12.05287 -5.4948 -4.269254 -9.913167
>> >>> > -1.722165 -0.7680123 -2.616493 9.212611 7.324253 12.41928
>> >>> >   46.8317 -32.19164 -8.810924 -12.31202 -3.736232 -1.335111
>> >>> > -8.361964
>> >>> > -2.103669 -3.199154 -6.140819 -8.036694 -8.49004 2.942402
>> >>> >   47.34614 -33.04692 -7.571927 -8.986545 -3.523783 1.130052
>> >>> > -3.151051
>> >>> > 3.572651 3.381188 -3.117314 -2.670754 2.165966 0.3512328
>> >>> >   46.63126 -33.57331 -11.13035 -7.506401 2.113541 3.268804 -1.814186
>> >>> > 2.770107 -4.381127 -3.264618 -3.549418 2.463501 -0.7675107
>> >>> >   46.31366 -33.00954 -6.964884 -6.109342 -7.121596 -4.326709
>> >>> > -10.80855
>> >>> > -6.96948 6.597637 4.109591 1.001096 2.592361 6.154356
>> >>> >
>> >>> > and show me the otuput
>> >>> > Dan
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 5:59 PM, Mailing list used for User
>> >>> > Communication
>> >>> > and
>> >>> > Updates <kal...@li...> wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Here is the result for
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>     ls -l data/lang  data/lang/phones exp/mono0a exp/mono0a/log
>> >>> >> exp/mono0a/decode/log
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Hao
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Mailing list used for User
>> >>> >> Communication and Updates <kal...@li...>
>> >>> >> wrote:
>> >>> >> > My corresponding numbers are -108.535 ->  -95.116, and the
>> >>> >> > difference
>> >>> >> > is
>> >>> >> > about the same.  [It's strange that the absolute numbers differ
>> >>> >> > slightly,
>> >>> >> > though.]
>> >>> >> > Could you do
>> >>> >> > ls -l data/lang  data/lang/phones exp/mono0a exp/mono0a/log
>> >>> >> > exp/mono0a/decode/log
>> >>> >> > and send the output?
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > Dan
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Mailing list used for User
>> >>> >> > Communication
>> >>> >> > and
>> >>> >> > Updates <kal...@li...> wrote:
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> Copied from exp/mono0a/log/update.39.log
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >>     LOG (gmm-sum-accs:main():gmm-sum-accs.cc:60) Summed 2 stats,
>> >>> >> >> total
>> >>> >> >> count 849568, avg like/frame -95.5657
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> Hao
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Mailing list used for User
>> >>> >> >> Communication and Updates <kal...@li...>
>> >>> >> >> wrote:
>> >>> >> >> > OK, that is quite weird.  What is the avg like/frame on the
>> >>> >> >> > final
>> >>> >> >> > update.??.log?
>> >>> >> >> > Dan
>> >>> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> > On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Mailing list used for User
>> >>> >> >> > Communication
>> >>> >> >> > and
>> >>> >> >> > Updates <kal...@li...> wrote:
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >> Unfortunately those are absolute differences. Here is what I
>> >>> >> >> >> get
>> >>> >> >> >> for
>> >>> >> >> >> the
>> >>> >> >> >> mono0a.
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >>     %WER 40.44 [ 2282 / 5643, 118 ins, 537 del, 1627 sub ]
>> >>> >> >> >> exp/mono0a/decode_tgpr_eval92/wer_9
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >> And below is the reported one in RESULTS.
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >>     exp/mono0a/decode_tgpr_eval92/wer_10:%WER 25.54 [ 1441 /
>> >>> >> >> >> 5643,
>> >>> >> >> >> 149
>> >>> >> >> >> ins, 191 del, 1101 sub ]
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >> I will try to checkout the same version as the RESULTS file
>> >>> >> >> >> and
>> >>> >> >> >> run
>> >>> >> >> >> the experiments again.
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >> Here is the total data count from
>> >>> >> >> >> exp/mono0a/log/update.0.log.
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >>     LOG (gmm-sum-accs:main():gmm-sum-accs.cc:60) Summed 2
>> >>> >> >> >> stats,
>> >>> >> >> >> total
>> >>> >> >> >> count 849568, avg like/frame -109.265
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >> Thanks for your help.
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >> Hao
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Mailing list used for User
>> >>> >> >> >> Communication and Updates <kal...@li...>
>> >>> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >>> >> >> >> > Assuming those are relative numbers, they're probably
>> >>> >> >> >> > within
>> >>> >> >> >> > the
>> >>> >> >> >> > margin
>> >>> >> >> >> > of
>> >>> >> >> >> > error.  See if it's the same on other test sets.  Because
>> >>> >> >> >> > various
>> >>> >> >> >> > algorithms
>> >>> >> >> >> > call rand(), and different machines implement this
>> >>> >> >> >> > differently,
>> >>> >> >> >> > results
>> >>> >> >> >> > aren't fully reproducible.
>> >>> >> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> >> > But to check that it's not some code change that hurts the
>> >>> >> >> >> > results,
>> >>> >> >> >> > you
>> >>> >> >> >> > could try checking out a copy with the same revision number
>> >>> >> >> >> > as
>> >>> >> >> >> > the
>> >>> >> >> >> > RESULTS
>> >>> >> >> >> > file, and running again and seeing what results you get.
>> >>> >> >> >> > If
>> >>> >> >> >> > there
>> >>> >> >> >> > is
>> >>> >> >> >> > a
>> >>> >> >> >> > difference, I'd like to know.
>> >>> >> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> >> > It's also possible some files were missing in your WSJ
>> >>> >> >> >> > distribution--
>> >>> >> >> >> > let me
>> >>> >> >> >> > know the data count reported in one the */log/update.log
>> >>> >> >> >> > files
>> >>> >> >> >> > and
>> >>> >> >> >> > I'll
>> >>> >> >> >> > compare with a local copy.
>> >>> >> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> >> > Dan
>> >>> >> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> >> > On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Mailing list used for User
>> >>> >> >> >> > Communication
>> >>> >> >> >> > and
>> >>> >> >> >> > Updates <kal...@li...> wrote:
>> >>> >> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >> >> Hi,
>> >>> >> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >> >> I'm following the WSJ s5 recipe, and I wasn't able to
>> >>> >> >> >> >> reproduce
>> >>> >> >> >> >> the
>> >>> >> >> >> >> results stated in the RESULTS file. Are we supposed to get
>> >>> >> >> >> >> exactly
>> >>> >> >> >> >> the
>> >>> >> >> >> >> same numbers with the (hyper-)parameters given in the
>> >>> >> >> >> >> recipe?
>> >>> >> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >> >> Just to give a sense of how far I'm off. My monophone
>> >>> >> >> >> >> models
>> >>> >> >> >> >> perform
>> >>> >> >> >> >> 10%
>> >>> >> >> >> >> worse than the reported results on eval92 and the
>> >>> >> >> >> >> resulting
>> >>> >> >> >> >> triphone
>> >>> >> >> >> >> models perform 4% worse.
>> >>> >> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >> >> Thanks,
>> >>> >> >> >> >> Hao
>> >>> >> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >> >>
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