From: Josh J. <jun...@gm...> - 2009-08-06 16:29:24
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I am planning to set up a contest to gather submissions from the community for a new Jython logo. In the end, we'll choose which one best fits the project. Do you think we should have the community vote for the best logo, or should the Jython developers hold a private vote to choose? Also, do you have any thoughts on how long this contest should last? It may take interested artists a while to design a new logo, so I was thinking that perhaps a month or two would work. Once we determine all of these details then I'll set up a page on the website for contest information. Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks Josh Juneau jun...@gm... http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com Twitter ID: javajuneau |
From: Frank W. <fwi...@gm...> - 2009-08-06 20:12:50
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Hey Josh, I know that you've run this by me already, and I didn't object then -- but I wonder if the current logo is really in need of replacement. It's been the logo for a long time now, and I am a bit fond of it... The biggest drawback to the current logo is that we don't have it in one of the vector formats, so it doesn't blow up very well. But maybe we can contact the original author....? Or does everyone really hate it...? -Frank |
From: Jim B. <jb...@zy...> - 2009-08-06 20:26:01
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I think the existing logo is pretty nice, with some nice mythological connotations. Obviously we need a vector art version, as well as an optimized "favorite" icon. However, the Python "steam" that is rising out of the coffee cup doesn't really balance that well. Instead, the overall composition should fill a square (more or less). Maybe this could be done by widening the mug and having the wisp of steam be a bit flattened. As a square, it would also work better as a favicon. I also like Alan Kennedy's modjy logo. And I've though it might be nice to do a latte version, where the marking on the foam is a Python snake. I'm sure there are many other good options. - Jim On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Frank Wierzbicki <fwi...@gm...>wrote: > Hey Josh, > > I know that you've run this by me already, and I didn't object then -- > but I wonder if the current logo is really in need of replacement. > It's been the logo for a long time now, and I am a bit fond of it... > > The biggest drawback to the current logo is that we don't have it in > one of the vector formats, so it doesn't blow up very well. But maybe > we can contact the original author....? > > Or does everyone really hate it...? > > > -Frank > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus > on > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > _______________________________________________ > Jython-dev mailing list > Jyt...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jython-dev > -- Jim Baker jb...@zy... |
From: Philip J. <pj...@un...> - 2009-08-06 20:31:58
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On Aug 6, 2009, at 1:12 PM, Frank Wierzbicki wrote: > Hey Josh, > > I know that you've run this by me already, and I didn't object then -- > but I wonder if the current logo is really in need of replacement. > It's been the logo for a long time now, and I am a bit fond of it... > > The biggest drawback to the current logo is that we don't have it in > one of the vector formats, so it doesn't blow up very well. But maybe > we can contact the original author....? > > Or does everyone really hate it...? I love its concept but I think it could use a slight update. Like how the old Java logo was updated -- same premise, but sleeker. Maybe a sleeker mug and line of steam. Also the green colors should go, it'd be nice if it used the new Python logo's blue/yellow colors. Possibly even some of the Java logo's red, or some kind of influence from it. -- Philip Jenvey |
From: Josh J. <jun...@gm...> - 2009-08-06 21:16:11
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I'm bringing this topic up to the developers because I know there was a bit of contention with the logo when I was updating the site. I also like the current logo quite a bit, and I really think that the new site has brought some new life to it. I think it looks rather good on the darker background. I personally don't mind the green colors all that much. I like some of the ideas that Jim had mentioned, and if it is updated at all I agree with just performing an update on the current logo. I do like the modjy logo quite a bit...is there somewhere else that it can be used? Maybe some side project like Clamp could make use of it, or a version of it anyways. Josh Juneau jun...@gm... http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com Twitter ID: javajuneau On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Frank Wierzbicki <fwi...@gm...>wrote: > Hey Josh, > > I know that you've run this by me already, and I didn't object then -- > but I wonder if the current logo is really in need of replacement. > It's been the logo for a long time now, and I am a bit fond of it... > > The biggest drawback to the current logo is that we don't have it in > one of the vector formats, so it doesn't blow up very well. But maybe > we can contact the original author....? > > Or does everyone really hate it...? > > > -Frank > |
From: Kay S. <ka...@fi...> - 2009-08-07 09:27:24
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Josh Juneau schrieb: > I'm bringing this topic up to the developers because I know there was > a bit of contention with the logo when I was updating the site. Actually it was me who said the logo shows a famished worm over a cup which might represents the sorry state Jython was in for a while. Jim Baker gave then an esoteric interpretation of this piece of art, something about snakes and Delphi. I briefly remarked that the Python language is not about snakes and the association is misleading. My suggestion is simple and the opposite of Philip Jenvys: take the official Python logo and apply some re-coloring that fits thematically to Jython and its homepage like green/violet. Ciao, Kay |
From: A.M. K. <am...@am...> - 2009-08-07 21:05:21
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On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 11:27:02AM +0200, Kay Schluehr wrote: > My suggestion is simple and the opposite of Philip Jenvys: take the > official Python logo and apply some re-coloring that fits thematically > to Jython and its homepage like green/violet. The logo is trademarked, which reduces the type of variations allowed. Changing colours is one variation that would be disallowed. For more info, see the Google cache of PSF trademark policy: http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:tg7fuwH3xpoJ:www.python.org/psf/trademarks/+psf+trademark+policy&hl=en&client=firefox-a&gl=us&strip=1 (python.org is down at the moment.) --amk |
From: Kay S. <ka...@fi...> - 2009-08-07 21:20:48
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A.M. Kuchling schrieb: > On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 11:27:02AM +0200, Kay Schluehr wrote: > >> My suggestion is simple and the opposite of Philip Jenvys: take the >> official Python logo and apply some re-coloring that fits thematically >> to Jython and its homepage like green/violet. >> > > The logo is trademarked, which reduces the type of variations allowed. > Changing colours is one variation that would be disallowed. For more info, see > the Google cache of PSF trademark policy: > http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:tg7fuwH3xpoJ:www.python.org/psf/trademarks/+psf+trademark+policy&hl=en&client=firefox-a&gl=us&strip=1 > > (python.org is down at the moment.) > > --amk > Oh, of course I withdraw my suggestion immediately and forget about the copulating tadpoles. +1 for the worm Kay |
From: Sébastien B. <Seb...@en...> - 2009-08-10 09:40:51
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Frank Wierzbicki wrote: > Hey Josh, > > I know that you've run this by me already, and I didn't object then -- > but I wonder if the current logo is really in need of replacement. > It's been the logo for a long time now, and I am a bit fond of it... > > The biggest drawback to the current logo is that we don't have it in > one of the vector formats, so it doesn't blow up very well. But maybe > we can contact the original author....? > Frank, Here is a SVG version of the Jython logo, vectorized with potrace and the 'jython' letters manually edited (with inkscape) to remove the major artifacts. The result is not perfect but should be good enough unless you plan to generate very large logos. > Or does everyone really hate it...? > Not at all ! +1 for the current logo design. Cheers, SB > > -Frank > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > _______________________________________________ > Jython-dev mailing list > Jyt...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jython-dev > > |
From: Josh J. <jun...@gm...> - 2009-08-07 03:17:38
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I'm definitely holding off on any contest for a new logo at this time. The topic warrants more discussion amongst the group for sure. Thanks for the feedback, it is appreciated. Josh Juneau jun...@gm... http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com Twitter ID: javajuneau On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Josh Juneau <jun...@gm...> wrote: > If we did make a contest then I would definitely agree with your idea. I > really don't mind the current logo at all...I even like the green so much > that I updated the site using a similar tone. > However, it sounds to me like a contest may not be the best idea in the > end. I'd discussed the contest with Jim and Frank in the past and it > sounded like the way to go...but thinking about it I agree with you that we > may get some logos that wouldn't quite live up to the quality of the one we > currently enjoy. > > Thanks for your feedback! > > Josh Juneau > jun...@gm... > http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com > Twitter ID: javajuneau > > > On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Charlie Groves <cha...@gm...>wrote: > >> On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Josh Juneau<jun...@gm...> wrote: >> > Hey Charlie, >> > >> > When I was redesigning the site, many people offered good feedback. One >> of >> > the most prevelant pieces of feedback was that the Jython logo (not >> Jythoon >> > BTW) needed to be reworked. Some believe that the logo is older and >> > outdated. Others thought that we needed a fresh new look for the 2.5 >> > release. I also rather enjoy the current logo and I really think that >> the >> > new site breathes some life into it. >> > >> > If you followed that thread regarding the site update at all you may >> > remember that Alan Kennedy offered up his modjy logo which is also quite >> > nice. I planned to submit his logo to the contest as the first entry. >> You >> > may also recall that Kay Schluer wants a completely different logo as he >> > does not believe that Jython needs to be associated with the Java mug. >> Jim >> > Baker and I kicked around a couple of ideas such as making a more 3d >> logo >> > with the coffee cup and Python rising. Similar to what we have now, but >> > just freshened up a bit. >> > >> > All in all, the developer base wants to see a new logo. I personally >> don't >> > mind the current one at all. >> >> I don't think that the people that responded to that thread >> constituted the developer base crying out for a new logo. How about >> including the current logo as an option? It was actually created by a >> graphic designer, and has a nice simple clarity as a result. I worry >> that new logos created by programmers won't live up to that. >> >> Charlie >> > > |
From: Alan K. <jyt...@xh...> - 2009-08-07 10:58:17
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[Kay] > I briefly remarked that the Python > language is not about snakes and the association is misleading. But yet the cpython logo *is* a stylized snake, despite the fact the "python" name is derived from "Monty Python". So saying the "The python language is not about snakes" is misleading. If Guido was happy to use a snake logo for cpython, then there's no reason we shouldn't use one for jython. If you disagree with the use of snake logos for jython, please go and take it up with the cpython folks and tell them that their use of a snake logo for cpython is "misleading". When they adopt a more "appropriate" logo, so will we. Alan. |
From: Kay S. <ka...@fi...> - 2009-08-07 13:04:02
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Alan Kennedy schrieb: > [Kay] > >> I briefly remarked that the Python >> language is not about snakes and the association is misleading. >> > > But yet the cpython logo *is* a stylized snake, despite the fact the > "python" name is derived from "Monty Python". > It is sufficiently remote from any naturalist display. Just search at Google images for "python logo" and watch the alternatives. In a sense I share a bit the opinion of the guy who pretended to complain in his April fools joke that the current logo looks like two copulating tadpoles: http://diagrammes-modernes.blogspot.com/2006/04/new-python-logo-revealed.html although I'm more reminded of Yin and Yang. > So saying the "The python language is not about snakes" is misleading. > > If Guido was happy to use a snake logo for cpython, then there's no > reason we shouldn't use one for jython. > > If you disagree with the use of snake logos for jython, please go and > take it up with the cpython folks and tell them that their use of a > snake logo for cpython is "misleading". When they adopt a more > "appropriate" logo, so will we. > > Alan The discussion is off-topic on python-dev. Kay |
From: Sébastien B. <Seb...@en...> - 2009-08-10 10:15:56
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Sébastien Boisgérault wrote: > Frank Wierzbicki wrote: >> Hey Josh, >> >> I know that you've run this by me already, and I didn't object then -- >> but I wonder if the current logo is really in need of replacement. >> It's been the logo for a long time now, and I am a bit fond of it... >> >> The biggest drawback to the current logo is that we don't have it in >> one of the vector formats, so it doesn't blow up very well. But maybe >> we can contact the original author....? >> > Frank, > > Here is a SVG version of the Jython logo, vectorized with potrace and > the 'jython' letters manually edited (with inkscape) to remove the > major artifacts. > > The result is not perfect but should be good enough unless you plan to > generate very large logos. > Oops. The same logo, but with a proper transparent background for the text. SB |
From: Frank W. <fwi...@gm...> - 2009-08-10 12:05:21
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Sébastien, Wow! Thanks -- the vectorized logo looks great! We should have wished out loud before :) -Frank |
From: Stefan B. <ste...@be...> - 2009-08-11 07:46:07
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Philip Jenvey wrote: > I love its concept but I think it could use a slight update. +1, I think the concept works out really well. I think a "new logo" contest is fine as long as it doesn't require the "new" logo to be entirely "new". Stefan |