From: Frank W. <fwi...@gm...> - 2006-03-31 19:01:03
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All, I'm going to try to test out the sourceforge subversion migration tool next weekend (April 8-9). If the test goes absolutely perfectly, I will be considering calling the result the new official repository.=20 The current CVS repository should not be changed at all (I'll back it up just in case) so if the tool does not yield a perfect result, then this move may need to be put off. The important thing is: I'd like any commiters that are sitting on any changes they would like to get in, to please finish up and get them into CVS by next Friday (April 7). Thanks, -Frank |
From: Walter C. <cha...@gm...> - 2006-03-31 22:27:38
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Hi Frank... Can we get a list of users that have commit access, sort of get an feeling who our "upperclassmen" are ? It would be interesting to see what their views on the recent feedback are.= .. Regards, Walter On 3/31/06, Frank Wierzbicki <fwi...@gm...> wrote: > All, > > I'm going to try to test out the sourceforge subversion migration tool > next weekend (April 8-9). If the test goes absolutely perfectly, I > will be considering calling the result the new official repository. > The current CVS repository should not be changed at all (I'll back it > up just in case) so if the tool does not yield a perfect result, then > this move may need to be put off. > > The important thing is: I'd like any commiters that are sitting on any > changes they would like to get in, to please finish up and get them > into CVS by next Friday (April 7). > > Thanks, > > -Frank > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting langua= ge > that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webc= ast > and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territor= y! > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmdlnk&kid=110944&bid$1720&dat=121642 > _______________________________________________ > Jython-dev mailing list > Jyt...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jython-dev > -- Simplicity--the art of maximizing the amount of work not done--is essential. from: http://www.agilemanifesto.org/principles.html |
From: Oti <oh...@gm...> - 2006-03-31 22:38:26
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Hi, project developers can be found here: http://sourceforge.net/project/memberlist.php?group_id=3D12867 Best wishes, Oti. On 4/1/06, Walter Chang <cha...@gm...> wrote: > Hi Frank... > > Can we get a list of users that have commit access, sort of get an > feeling who our "upperclassmen" are ? > > It would be interesting to see what their views on the recent feedback ar= e... |
From: Walter C. <cha...@gm...> - 2006-03-31 23:07:23
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Thanks Oti... What do you think of the recent activity? :) Regards, Walter On 3/31/06, Oti <oh...@gm...> wrote: > Hi, > > project developers can be found here: > http://sourceforge.net/project/memberlist.php?group_id=3D12867 > > Best wishes, > Oti. > > On 4/1/06, Walter Chang <cha...@gm...> wrote: > > Hi Frank... > > > > Can we get a list of users that have commit access, sort of get an > > feeling who our "upperclassmen" are ? > > > > It would be interesting to see what their views on the recent feedback = are... > -- Simplicity--the art of maximizing the amount of work not done--is essential. from: http://www.agilemanifesto.org/principles.html |
From: Oti <oh...@gm...> - 2006-03-31 23:23:44
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Walter, I like people who care and take care. And for me the current discussion is in big parts: care and take care of Jy= thon. That's the positive part for me, since I am pretty addicted to Jython, and I want to help to move it forward. On the other side, I am a bit sceptical concerning tendencies like "money and management". In my daytime life as an employee, I can see the slowing down effect of too much management, and I don't see how these fit onto the Jython project. You might say that I am not in a position to speak of slowing down, since my pace of production is already quite slow (explanation below). But I strongly believe that taking care also means not throwing down the wa= lls: - make and keep the codebase solid - make and keep the tests solid and the same for website, build, installer, ... In German we have a saying: Viele Koeche verderben den Brei which, straighforward translated, leads to: Too many cooks spoil the menu So the challenge for Frank is to really well coordinate all the efforts, and find the appropriate delegate/control balance. This is difficult, IMHO. Let's support him as much as we can! Best wishes, Oti PS: Since I am >=3D 100% employed, and member of a family, Jython developer time is relatively short for me. On 4/1/06, Walter Chang <cha...@gm...> wrote: > Thanks Oti... > > What do you think of the recent activity? > > :) |
From: Yan W. <we...@gm...> - 2006-04-01 07:41:52
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Oti, I was a Jython user and am working for a company bigger than BEA. I still like Jython and hope to use it in our production system. However, I do have similar concern as Walter has on jython project's current status. Back to the the "management" topic. Personally, I believe introducing some management, or organization, to Jython project will actually do more good than bad. Walter has mentioned Scrum, which is a good agile development approach. By doing daily scrum, the community can clearly see the activity of the dev team and understand the capacity of the team. By creating back log and doing monthly sprint, we can choose the reasonable amount important tasks and then focus on them. Then we can *deliver* features and improvements regularly. And that's what jython project really needs. Several suggestions to the dev team: 1. Make Frank's mock up site page official. It has been more than two month= s when I heard "really close" to launch the new site page last time. If some link in the page doesn't work, just remove it. We can always add it later. 2. Create a feature list and assign priorities. Volunteers still can pick up whatever tasks they are interested. But at least they know which task ca= n benefit the community most before choosing the task. Just my 2 cents. Thx, Yan On 3/31/06, Oti < oh...@gm...> wrote: > > Walter, > > I like people who care and take care. > And for me the current discussion is in big parts: care and take care of > Jython. > That's the positive part for me, since I am pretty addicted to Jython, > and I want to help to move it forward. > > On the other side, I am a bit sceptical concerning tendencies like > "money and management". > In my daytime life as an employee, I can see the slowing down effect > of too much management, and I don't see how these fit onto the Jython > project. > > You might say that I am not in a position to speak of slowing down, > since my pace of production is already quite slow (explanation below). > > But I strongly believe that taking care also means not throwing down the > walls: > - make and keep the codebase solid > - make and keep the tests solid > and the same for website, build, installer, ... > > In German we have a saying: > Viele Koeche verderben den Brei > which, straighforward translated, leads to: > Too many cooks spoil the menu > > So the challenge for Frank is to really well coordinate all the > efforts, and find the appropriate delegate/control balance. This is > difficult, IMHO. Let's support him as much as we can! > > Best wishes, > Oti > > > PS: > > Since I am >=3D 100% employed, and member of a family, Jython developer > time is relatively short for me. > > On 4/1/06, Walter Chang < cha...@gm...> wrote: > > Thanks Oti... > > > > What do you think of the recent activity? > > > > :) > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting > language > that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live > webcast > and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding > territory! > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmdlnk&kid=110944&bid$1720&dat=121642<htt= p://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmdlnk&kid%110944&bid$1720&dat%121642> > _______________________________________________ > Jython-dev mailing list > Jyt...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jython-dev > |
From: Ray D. <ray...@ya...> - 2006-04-01 12:07:27
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Hi Yan Weng, > I was a Jython user and am working for a company bigger than BEA. I still like Jython and hope to use it in our production system. However, I > do have similar concern as Walter has on jython project's current status. My company is not a very big one. But yeah, Jython project's current status had swayed the decision from Jython to--of all things!--Groovy. IMO it's a bit hasty a choice, Groovy itself hasn't even reached a final release, but yes, the perceived "death" of Jython scared people away. > Back to the the "management" topic. Personally, I believe introducing some management, or organization, to Jython project will actually do > more good than bad. Agreed. Too much management is always bad. I just finished reading mini-Microsoft blog where people are complaining that Windows Vista developers spend 90% time on process and 10% on actually doing development! However, *some* management is obviously going to be useful. Of course, this is open source, and everybody is doing this by their own volition, so it's not like there's any "manager" or "boss" to which anyone is accountable to here. But everyone is accountable to Jython, and if there's a way to make Jython better... why not? > Several suggestions to the dev team: > 1. Make Frank's mock up site page official. It has been more than two months when I heard "really close" to launch the new site page last time. > If some link in the page doesn't work, just remove it. We can always add it later. I second this 100%. The website is looking great, Frank has done a great job. Would be great to see it going live soon :) > 2. Create a feature list and assign priorities. Volunteers still can pick up whatever tasks they are interested. But at least they know which task > can benefit the community most before choosing the task. Yeah, this too. Is the PyXML task still pending, btw? I mean, if not mistaken PyXML was about to be included merely for compatibility reasons? If that's the only reason maybe it's OK to break this compatibility? PyXML doesn't look very much maintained anymore these days... Warm regards, Ray |
From: Frank W. <fwi...@gm...> - 2006-04-08 21:26:40
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I've submitted the sourceforge job to migrate the cvs data to subversion to. I have a backup of the cvs nightly tarball just in case, but the directions say that cvs should not be touched. The directions also say that it should take 1-3 hours unless there are a bunch of projects queued up before me, in which case in could take up to 24 hours. I'll send another email when I know it is done. On 3/31/06, Frank Wierzbicki <fwi...@gm...> wrote: > All, > > I'm going to try to test out the sourceforge subversion migration tool > next weekend (April 8-9). If the test goes absolutely perfectly, I > will be considering calling the result the new official repository. > The current CVS repository should not be changed at all (I'll back it > up just in case) so if the tool does not yield a perfect result, then > this move may need to be put off. > > The important thing is: I'd like any commiters that are sitting on any > changes they would like to get in, to please finish up and get them > into CVS by next Friday (April 7). > > Thanks, > > -Frank > |