From: <edg...@we...> - 2012-02-22 11:46:27
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On 22.02.2012 03:38, me...@us... wrote: > Revision: 2746 > http://jump-pilot.svn.sourceforge.net/jump-pilot/?rev=2746&view=rev > Author: mentaer > Date: 2012-02-22 02:38:24 +0000 (Wed, 22 Feb 2012) > Log Message: > ----------- > improved image by removing color from lower part > better, but still not the visual appeal of the big OpenJUMP writing with subline. main issues are: - lower demo graphic has no smooth contours, kinda ugly typo and therefor results in a cheapish look, lacking a charisma of value. - upper logo: split up OpenJUMP is difficult, words seem to float there unanchored, aligning against each other seems unsettled - you probably would like to connect the oj writing and the kangaroo for a more steady impression i am skeptical in general of the approach as i don't see a way to fit logo (kangaroo) & logo writing (OJ) horizontally aligned into this narrow space and have it still looking appealing. ..ede |
From: Stefan S. <ss...@ge...> - 2012-02-22 19:36:38
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So well, then why don't we simply have no image there. Which seems the best solution for me. Because for me it doesn't work if a) I can not read the text from a normal viewer position b) I can not identify the "symbol" from a normal position. .. no matter how beautiful the colors are or the composition is. Because the image/logo was designed to be presented in its "normal" position. If you present the Mona Lisa with 90degrees tilted in the Louvre - people will not be happy about it either. stefan On 22/02/2012 4:46 AM edg...@we... wrote: > On 22.02.2012 03:38, me...@us... wrote: >> Revision: 2746 >> http://jump-pilot.svn.sourceforge.net/jump-pilot/?rev=2746&view=rev >> Author: mentaer >> Date: 2012-02-22 02:38:24 +0000 (Wed, 22 Feb 2012) >> Log Message: >> ----------- >> improved image by removing color from lower part >> > better, but still not the visual appeal of the big OpenJUMP writing with subline. > main issues are: > > - lower demo graphic has no smooth contours, kinda ugly typo and therefor results in a cheapish look, lacking a charisma of value. > - upper logo: split up OpenJUMP is difficult, words seem to float there unanchored, aligning against each other seems unsettled > - you probably would like to connect the oj writing and the kangaroo for a more steady impression > > i am skeptical in general of the approach as i don't see a way to fit logo (kangaroo)& logo writing (OJ) horizontally aligned into this narrow space and have it still looking appealing. > > ..ede > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Virtualization& Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning > Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing > also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. > http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/ > _______________________________________________ > Jump-pilot-devel mailing list > Jum...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jump-pilot-devel |
From: Michaël M. <mic...@fr...> - 2012-02-22 22:48:07
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Hi Stefan, > Then why don't we simply have no image there. > Which seems the best solution for me. Hey, seems you really dislike the current layout of the installer. > Because for me it doesn't work if > a) I can not read the text from a normal viewer position > b) I can not identify the "symbol" from a normal position. > > .. no matter how beautiful the colors are or the composition is. Because > the image/logo was designed to be presented in its "normal" position. > If you present the Mona Lisa with 90degrees tilted in the Louvre - > people will not be happy about it either. I don't think a logo should be seen as a text or as a figurative painting. It is somethink done to be recognized, not to be described. But OK, I understand one don't like vertical writing or acrobatic kangaroo. I think it is nice to have an image in the installer so maybe the best is to organise a vote with every possible options. If I had some skill in this domain, I think I would try to copy exacly the current horizontal logo but with a vertical layout like o p e n kangaroo j u m p Jump Unified Mapping Platform Michaël > > stefan > > On 22/02/2012 4:46 AM edg...@we... wrote: >> On 22.02.2012 03:38, me...@us... wrote: >>> Revision: 2746 >>> http://jump-pilot.svn.sourceforge.net/jump-pilot/?rev=2746&view=rev >>> Author: mentaer >>> Date: 2012-02-22 02:38:24 +0000 (Wed, 22 Feb 2012) >>> Log Message: >>> ----------- >>> improved image by removing color from lower part >>> >> better, but still not the visual appeal of the big OpenJUMP writing with subline. >> main issues are: >> >> - lower demo graphic has no smooth contours, kinda ugly typo and therefor results in a cheapish look, lacking a charisma of value. >> - upper logo: split up OpenJUMP is difficult, words seem to float there unanchored, aligning against each other seems unsettled >> - you probably would like to connect the oj writing and the kangaroo for a more steady impression >> >> i am skeptical in general of the approach as i don't see a way to fit logo (kangaroo)& logo writing (OJ) horizontally aligned into this narrow space and have it still looking appealing. >> >> ..ede >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Virtualization& Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning >> Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing >> also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. >> http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Jump-pilot-devel mailing list >> Jum...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jump-pilot-devel > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Virtualization& Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning > Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing > also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. > http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/ > _______________________________________________ > Jump-pilot-devel mailing list > Jum...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jump-pilot-devel > > |
From: Stefan S. <ss...@ge...> - 2012-02-22 22:53:51
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Hi Michael, maybe I will have a shot on your proposal (tomorrow?). Doesn't seem to be too difficult and would cater for the space ;) stefan On 22/02/2012 3:47 PM, Michaël Michaud wrote: > Hi Stefan, >> Then why don't we simply have no image there. >> Which seems the best solution for me. > Hey, seems you really dislike the current layout of the installer. >> Because for me it doesn't work if >> a) I can not read the text from a normal viewer position >> b) I can not identify the "symbol" from a normal position. >> >> .. no matter how beautiful the colors are or the composition is. Because >> the image/logo was designed to be presented in its "normal" position. >> If you present the Mona Lisa with 90degrees tilted in the Louvre - >> people will not be happy about it either. > I don't think a logo should be seen as a text or as a figurative > painting. It is > somethink done to be recognized, not to be described. But OK, I > understand one > don't like vertical writing or acrobatic kangaroo. I think it is nice to > have an > image in the installer so maybe the best is to organise a vote with > every possible > options. > If I had some skill in this domain, I think I would try to copy exacly > the current > horizontal logo but with a vertical layout like > o > p > e > n > kangaroo > j > u > m > p > Jump > Unified > Mapping > Platform > > Michaël > > >> stefan >> >> On 22/02/2012 4:46 AM edg...@we... wrote: >>> On 22.02.2012 03:38, me...@us... wrote: >>>> Revision: 2746 >>>> http://jump-pilot.svn.sourceforge.net/jump-pilot/?rev=2746&view=rev >>>> Author: mentaer >>>> Date: 2012-02-22 02:38:24 +0000 (Wed, 22 Feb 2012) >>>> Log Message: >>>> ----------- >>>> improved image by removing color from lower part >>>> >>> better, but still not the visual appeal of the big OpenJUMP writing with subline. >>> main issues are: >>> >>> - lower demo graphic has no smooth contours, kinda ugly typo and therefor results in a cheapish look, lacking a charisma of value. >>> - upper logo: split up OpenJUMP is difficult, words seem to float there unanchored, aligning against each other seems unsettled >>> - you probably would like to connect the oj writing and the kangaroo for a more steady impression >>> >>> i am skeptical in general of the approach as i don't see a way to fit logo (kangaroo)& logo writing (OJ) horizontally aligned into this narrow space and have it still looking appealing. >>> >>> ..ede >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Virtualization& Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning >>> Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing >>> also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. >>> http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jump-pilot-devel mailing list >>> Jum...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jump-pilot-devel >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Virtualization& Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning >> Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing >> also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. >> http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Jump-pilot-devel mailing list >> Jum...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jump-pilot-devel >> >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Virtualization& Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning > Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing > also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. > http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/ > _______________________________________________ > Jump-pilot-devel mailing list > Jum...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jump-pilot-devel |
From: <edg...@we...> - 2012-02-23 10:29:47
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On 22.02.2012 23:53, Stefan Steiniger wrote: > horizontal logo but with a vertical layout like >> o >> p >> e >> n >> kangaroo >> j >> u >> m >> p >> Jump >> Unified >> Mapping >> Platform It's not like i haven't had this idea before, i simply threw it over board because imagining the result i felt it was not worth the try. i you wanna give it a try, please do so. Personally i feel that the vertical problem is superficial and we should ask the user list and local colleagues to get third opinions. i expect the vast majority of them able to perfectly identify and even read the image. My vote is probably obvious, after everything and all ;) ..ede |
From: Stefan S. <ss...@ge...> - 2012-02-24 06:01:39
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Hi, as I said, I am gonna have a try with Michaels proposal. Find the vertical OJ version attached, including all other proposals (all 100 x 400px). Notes on the new vertical version: - turns out that the first O is actually a Zero. Hence, when I am turning it to be "straight" it does look strange. - it is kind of difficult to figure the centre of each letter (as I have no clue what the font could be, so I needed to work with "letter images"...). - I discovered that the original sub script actually says Jump Unified Mapping Platform. Now I looked up in the old JUMP docs and see it was always called: JUMP the Unified Mapping Platform. I always believed that the J is for Java??? But well, now we are OpenJUMP... Anyway, I am ready for voting... (on the user list? & separate email.. or should we make a call for more proposals?) stefan Am 23.02.12 03:29, schrieb edg...@we...: > On 22.02.2012 23:53, Stefan Steiniger wrote: >> horizontal logo but with a vertical layout like >>> o >>> p >>> e >>> n >>> kangaroo >>> j >>> u >>> m >>> p >>> Jump >>> Unified >>> Mapping >>> Platform > > It's not like i haven't had this idea before, i simply threw it over board because imagining the result i felt it was not worth the try. i you wanna give it a try, please do so. > > Personally i feel that the vertical problem is superficial and we should ask the user list and local colleagues to get third opinions. i expect the vast majority of them able to perfectly identify and even read the image. > > My vote is probably obvious, after everything and all ;) > > ..ede > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Virtualization& Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning > Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing > also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. > http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/ > _______________________________________________ > Jump-pilot-devel mailing list > Jum...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jump-pilot-devel |
From: <edg...@we...> - 2012-02-24 09:36:17
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On 24.02.2012 07:01, Stefan Steiniger wrote: > Hi, > > as I said, I am gonna have a try with Michaels proposal. > Find the vertical OJ version attached, including all other proposals (all 100 x 400px). bonus points for effort :) > Notes on the new vertical version: > - turns out that the first O is actually a Zero. Hence, when I am turning it to be "straight" it does look strange. no it is the designed capital O of the font > - it is kind of difficult to figure the centre of each letter (as I have no clue what the font could be, so I needed to work with "letter images"...). ask and you shall be given .. i researched and retrieved the fonts earlier from the original logo designer. they can be found in http://jump-pilot.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/jump-pilot/core/trunk/logo/fonts/ > - I discovered that the original sub script actually says Jump Unified Mapping Platform. Now I looked up in the old JUMP docs and see it was always called: JUMP the Unified Mapping Platform. I always believed that the J is for Java??? But well, now we are OpenJUMP... i remember because the trademark java was topic of some legal procedures in the past, that here on the list it was agreed to go with Jump unified... instead of Java unified... last thing to change was the splashscreen i think, which i did when i had the fonts and was on course redesigning logo and ensuring proper corporate colors on splashscreen/website. > > Anyway, I am ready for voting... (on the user list? & separate email.. or should we make a call for more proposals?) let me photoshop these into the installer welcome panel, so people can easily compare. user-list i'd say hoping we get some answers at all ;) ..ede PS: the new graphic has a colorshift which happens when you convert RGB/CMYK carelessly. You can pick the correct colors from http://jump-pilot.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/jump-pilot/core/trunk/logo/openjump_logo.eps?view=log > stefan > > Am 23.02.12 03:29, schrieb edg...@we...: >> On 22.02.2012 23:53, Stefan Steiniger wrote: >>> horizontal logo but with a vertical layout like >>>> o >>>> p >>>> e >>>> n >>>> kangaroo >>>> j >>>> u >>>> m >>>> p >>>> Jump >>>> Unified >>>> Mapping >>>> Platform >> >> It's not like i haven't had this idea before, i simply threw it over board because imagining the result i felt it was not worth the try. i you wanna give it a try, please do so. >> >> Personally i feel that the vertical problem is superficial and we should ask the user list and local colleagues to get third opinions. i expect the vast majority of them able to perfectly identify and even read the image. >> >> My vote is probably obvious, after everything and all ;) >> >> ..ede >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Virtualization& Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning >> Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing >> also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. >> http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Jump-pilot-devel mailing list >> Jum...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jump-pilot-devel > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Virtualization & Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning > Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing > also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. > http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jump-pilot-devel mailing list > Jum...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jump-pilot-devel |
From: Stefan S. <ss...@ge...> - 2012-02-25 22:17:53
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ah well.. thanks for the feedback. Didn't know you got the original fonds. And with the colour.. well.. I think the only thing one could do is "photoshop-ing" as I didn't touch the colours of the logo. I edit and export with Inkscape. stefan Am 24.02.12 02:35, schrieb edg...@we...: > On 24.02.2012 07:01, Stefan Steiniger wrote: >> Hi, >> >> as I said, I am gonna have a try with Michaels proposal. >> Find the vertical OJ version attached, including all other proposals (all 100 x 400px). > > bonus points for effort :) > >> Notes on the new vertical version: >> - turns out that the first O is actually a Zero. Hence, when I am turning it to be "straight" it does look strange. > > no it is the designed capital O of the font > >> - it is kind of difficult to figure the centre of each letter (as I have no clue what the font could be, so I needed to work with "letter images"...). > > ask and you shall be given .. i researched and retrieved the fonts earlier from the original logo designer. they can be found in > http://jump-pilot.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/jump-pilot/core/trunk/logo/fonts/ > >> - I discovered that the original sub script actually says Jump Unified Mapping Platform. Now I looked up in the old JUMP docs and see it was always called: JUMP the Unified Mapping Platform. I always believed that the J is for Java??? But well, now we are OpenJUMP... > > i remember because the trademark java was topic of some legal procedures in the past, that here on the list it was agreed to go with Jump unified... instead of Java unified... > > last thing to change was the splashscreen i think, which i did when i had the fonts and was on course redesigning logo and ensuring proper corporate colors on splashscreen/website. > >> >> Anyway, I am ready for voting... (on the user list?& separate email.. or should we make a call for more proposals?) > > let me photoshop these into the installer welcome panel, so people can easily compare. user-list i'd say hoping we get some answers at all ;) > > ..ede > > > PS: the new graphic has a colorshift which happens when you convert RGB/CMYK carelessly. You can pick the correct colors from > http://jump-pilot.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/jump-pilot/core/trunk/logo/openjump_logo.eps?view=log > >> stefan >> >> Am 23.02.12 03:29, schrieb edg...@we...: >>> On 22.02.2012 23:53, Stefan Steiniger wrote: >>>> horizontal logo but with a vertical layout like >>>>> o >>>>> p >>>>> e >>>>> n >>>>> kangaroo >>>>> j >>>>> u >>>>> m >>>>> p >>>>> Jump >>>>> Unified >>>>> Mapping >>>>> Platform >>> >>> It's not like i haven't had this idea before, i simply threw it over board because imagining the result i felt it was not worth the try. i you wanna give it a try, please do so. >>> >>> Personally i feel that the vertical problem is superficial and we should ask the user list and local colleagues to get third opinions. i expect the vast majority of them able to perfectly identify and even read the image. >>> >>> My vote is probably obvious, after everything and all ;) >>> >>> ..ede >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Virtualization& Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning >>> Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing >>> also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. >>> http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jump-pilot-devel mailing list >>> Jum...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jump-pilot-devel >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Virtualization& Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning >> Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing >> also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. >> http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jump-pilot-devel mailing list >> Jum...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jump-pilot-devel > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Virtualization& Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning > Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing > also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. > http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/ > _______________________________________________ > Jump-pilot-devel mailing list > Jum...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jump-pilot-devel |