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From: Peter G. <pet...@gm...> - 2009-08-25 12:23:38
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Hi again :) I was typing this message in the general advanced java<http://www.java-forums.org/advanced-java/>sub-forum of java-forums but before I hit send, I thought, maybe some native English speaking JSynthLib fan might know better ways to sell this job ... my post titled: Supporting newbies in an Open Source project --------------------------- Hi, This is a call to advanced java users, for help in a project to help musicians write Java code. The question is how to help them write an advanced MIDI System Exclusive driver for their synthesizer, and so build a universal synthesizer preset editor/librarian that eventually supports every existing synthesizer. The base for this software has already been built and is released at SourceForge with the name JSynthLib. The project to help newbies is a wiki that should help musicians to write a driver in about a week of time when they have no understanding of programming (Java). The goal should be to get another synth supported, not to teach a musician writing software. Would it be possible to generate (parts of) the required code by asking questions with answers that the musician can find in his synthesizer's manual? Maybe that's asking too much to get started ... If any advanced Java users would be so kind to join the JSynthLib mailing list and/or have a look at the current state of the code and programmer's guide that are available at this moment, that would be very nice. Of course, when you have free time and are interested, as it is an open-source project. Thanks in advance. Peter ------------------------------ If nobody replies here, I'll post this tomorrow Cheers P |
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From: Rib R. <ri...@us...> - 2009-08-25 16:25:49
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On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Rib Rdb <ri...@gm...> wrote: > On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Peter Geirnaert < > pet...@gm...> wrote: > >> Hi Rib Rdb >> >> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Rib Rdb <ri...@gm...> wrote: >> >>> Well, this is basically what the XML driver was designed for. You create >>> the xml describing your sysex, and you should have basic librarian >>> functionality. >> >> Can I read the source of the XMLDriver and find out that way how I have to >> describe the sysex in XML? Or should I read another file? There must be some >> naming convention at least I guess. >> > > You can take a look at > org/jsynthlib/jsynthlib/synthdrivers/yamaha/motif/YamahaMotif.xml > > The motif is an incredibly complicated synth, so it doesn't make for a very > good example. It's so complicated I never was able to finish the driver for > it. > > >> Then to create an editor you use EditorBuilder, where you just drag and >>> drop the pieces to create your UI. >> >> can I use EditorBuilder by running java core/EditorBuilder and/or where do >> I drag pieces from? >> > > Looks like that should be java org.jsynthlib.editorbuilder.EditorBuilder > You would load the xml driver, then it should give you a list of all the > parameters you defined, and you can drag them to arrange them how you want. > > >> >> >> >>> Unfortunately there's no documentation, and it's probably missing a few >>> pieces since no one's used it to write a finished editor. If anyone's >>> willing to play with it and document the process as they go along, I'd be >>> happy to help you with any issues and possibly fix any missing pieces. >> >> Yes, I am more than willing to play with it. My first missing piece is >> "how to get started" >> I've already described each piece of sysex that my Roland SPD-11 >> sends/receives on >> spd-11.wikispaces.com. The missing documentation plays a role indeed. >> >> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 5:12 AM, Peter Geirnaert < >>> pet...@gm...> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi again :) >>>> >>>> I was typing this message in the general advanced >>>> java<http://www.java-forums.org/advanced-java/>sub-forum of >>>> >>>> java-forums >>>> but before I hit send, I thought, maybe some native English speaking >>>> JSynthLib fan >>>> might know better ways to sell this job ... >>>> >>>> my post titled: Supporting newbies in an Open Source project >>>> --------------------------- >>>> Hi, >>>> This is a call to advanced java users, for help in a project to help >>>> musicians write Java code. >>>> The question is how to help them write an advanced MIDI System Exclusive >>>> driver for their synthesizer, >>>> and so build a universal synthesizer preset editor/librarian that >>>> eventually >>>> supports every existing synthesizer. >>>> >>>> The base for this software has already been built and is released at >>>> SourceForge with the name JSynthLib. >>>> >>>> The project to help newbies is a wiki that should help musicians to >>>> write a >>>> driver in about a week of time when they have no understanding of >>>> programming (Java). The goal should be to get another synth supported, >>>> not >>>> to teach a musician writing software. >>>> >>>> Would it be possible to generate (parts of) the required code by asking >>>> questions with answers that the musician can find in his synthesizer's >>>> manual? >>>> >>>> Maybe that's asking too much to get started ... >>>> >>>> If any advanced Java users would be so kind to join the JSynthLib >>>> mailing >>>> list and/or have a look at the current state of the code and >>>> programmer's >>>> guide that are available at this moment, that would be very nice. >>>> Of course, when you have free time and are interested, as it is an >>>> open-source project. >>>> >>>> Thanks in advance. >>>> Peter >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> If nobody replies here, I'll post this tomorrow >>>> Cheers >>>> P >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 >>>> 30-Day >>>> trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and >>>> focus on >>>> what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with >>>> Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Jsynthlib-devel mailing list >>>> Jsy...@li... >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jsynthlib-devel >>>> >>> >>> >> > |
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From: Peter G. <pet...@gm...> - 2009-08-25 17:18:01
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Ok, thanks, very nice, I'll surely give it some tinkertime. I started an XMLguide <http://jsynthlib.wikispaces.com/XMLguide> as part of the wiki, too bad that I've got troubles opening (and loading) the preferences (window), that way I can't do any testing so I have to fix that problem first. Walking the dog now ... Peter On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Rib Rdb <ri...@us...>wrote: > On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Rib Rdb <ri...@gm...> wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Peter Geirnaert < > > pet...@gm...> wrote: > > > >> Hi Rib Rdb > >> > >> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Rib Rdb <ri...@gm...> wrote: > >> > >>> Well, this is basically what the XML driver was designed for. You > create > >>> the xml describing your sysex, and you should have basic librarian > >>> functionality. > >> > >> Can I read the source of the XMLDriver and find out that way how I have > to > >> describe the sysex in XML? Or should I read another file? There must be > some > >> naming convention at least I guess. > >> > > > > You can take a look at > > org/jsynthlib/jsynthlib/synthdrivers/yamaha/motif/YamahaMotif.xml > > > > The motif is an incredibly complicated synth, so it doesn't make for a > very > > good example. It's so complicated I never was able to finish the driver > for > > it. > > > > > >> Then to create an editor you use EditorBuilder, where you just drag and > >>> drop the pieces to create your UI. > >> > >> can I use EditorBuilder by running java core/EditorBuilder and/or where > do > >> I drag pieces from? > >> > > > > Looks like that should be java org.jsynthlib.editorbuilder.EditorBuilder > > You would load the xml driver, then it should give you a list of all the > > parameters you defined, and you can drag them to arrange them how you > want. > > > > > >> > >> > >> > >>> Unfortunately there's no documentation, and it's probably missing a few > >>> pieces since no one's used it to write a finished editor. If anyone's > >>> willing to play with it and document the process as they go along, I'd > be > >>> happy to help you with any issues and possibly fix any missing pieces. > >> > >> Yes, I am more than willing to play with it. My first missing piece is > >> "how to get started" > >> I've already described each piece of sysex that my Roland SPD-11 > >> sends/receives on > >> spd-11.wikispaces.com. The missing documentation plays a role indeed. > >> > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 5:12 AM, Peter Geirnaert < > >>> pet...@gm...> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi again :) > >>>> > >>>> I was typing this message in the general advanced > >>>> java<http://www.java-forums.org/advanced-java/>sub-forum of > >>>> > >>>> java-forums > >>>> but before I hit send, I thought, maybe some native English speaking > >>>> JSynthLib fan > >>>> might know better ways to sell this job ... > >>>> > >>>> my post titled: Supporting newbies in an Open Source project > >>>> --------------------------- > >>>> Hi, > >>>> This is a call to advanced java users, for help in a project to help > >>>> musicians write Java code. > >>>> The question is how to help them write an advanced MIDI System > Exclusive > >>>> driver for their synthesizer, > >>>> and so build a universal synthesizer preset editor/librarian that > >>>> eventually > >>>> supports every existing synthesizer. > >>>> > >>>> The base for this software has already been built and is released at > >>>> SourceForge with the name JSynthLib. > >>>> > >>>> The project to help newbies is a wiki that should help musicians to > >>>> write a > >>>> driver in about a week of time when they have no understanding of > >>>> programming (Java). The goal should be to get another synth supported, > >>>> not > >>>> to teach a musician writing software. > >>>> > >>>> Would it be possible to generate (parts of) the required code by > asking > >>>> questions with answers that the musician can find in his synthesizer's > >>>> manual? > >>>> > >>>> Maybe that's asking too much to get started ... > >>>> > >>>> If any advanced Java users would be so kind to join the JSynthLib > >>>> mailing > >>>> list and/or have a look at the current state of the code and > >>>> programmer's > >>>> guide that are available at this moment, that would be very nice. > >>>> Of course, when you have free time and are interested, as it is an > >>>> open-source project. > >>>> > >>>> Thanks in advance. > >>>> Peter > >>>> ------------------------------ > >>>> > >>>> If nobody replies here, I'll post this tomorrow > >>>> Cheers > >>>> P > >>>> > >>>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>> Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 > >>>> 30-Day > >>>> trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and > >>>> focus on > >>>> what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with > >>>> Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Jsynthlib-devel mailing list > >>>> Jsy...@li... > >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jsynthlib-devel > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus > on > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > _______________________________________________ > Jsynthlib-devel mailing list > Jsy...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jsynthlib-devel > |
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From: Joachim <li...@sd...> - 2009-09-16 19:14:17
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Hi, that's the best idea I've seen on this list for years. Therefore I'm explicitly mentioning it with a dedicated subject for those who don't read every message on this list. I must admit I never understood how to write an XML driver therefore I've only written Java drivers. That's the reason why I can unfortunately not contribute anything the wiki. :( It would be even better if the complete www.jsynthlib.org would be turned into a wiki as Brian Klock (I think he holds the page) seems to have no time for keeping it up-to-date. Cheers Joachim Am 25.08.2009 um 19:17 schrieb Peter Geirnaert: > Ok, thanks, very nice, I'll surely give it some tinkertime. > I started an XMLguide <http://jsynthlib.wikispaces.com/XMLguide> as > part of > the wiki, too bad that I've got troubles opening (and loading) the > preferences (window), that way I can't do any testing so I have to fix > that > problem first. > > Walking the dog now ... > Peter |
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From: Peter G. <pet...@gm...> - 2009-09-19 08:50:45
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Hi, I've split up the YamahaMotif.xml<http://jsynthlib.wikispaces.com/YamahaMotif>file and written some comments to each part. Writing such a file for my SPD11 seems pretty easy now. Didn't try it yet as I'm finishing my editors written the standard java way, I go on dreaming about xml ... A nice window where a user can enter the info for each value ("name", "deviceID", "infoText" etc) in the list and a button "create device" to generate the .xml file would be the next step into wonderland :) Then another tab on that window that describes calculateChecksum methods, choose one from a list or define a custom method, click "Apply" to modify the .xml file. And so on for each "module" that exists in a device support. Then finally choose from the menu: "editorbuilder" and arrange the parameters. In the end, each driver would become a set of modules and a set of editorpresets, I'm thinking about SynthEdit, Synthmaker, Reaktor, but for Sysex instead of Vst. In SynthEdit, you can write your own dsp or GUI modules in C++, but then you still have to put the module in the visual editor, connect it to in/outputs and save that as a synthedit file. Btw, synthEdit can send Sysex messages too, but it doesn't have enough modules built yet to make a Vst editor/librarian like it can be done with JSynthLib. There was a thread about it on the SynthEdit mailing lists lately... Maybe that's a huge feature request, and I'm not sure if such feature requests are a good idea here, so I'll just call it "dreaming" ;-) I also think if you can learn somebody to write the right xml file about the sysex, that that person could as well have learned to write the right Java code, if we had more or better detailed examples and a better guide. It wouldn't really be writing the Java code, but just copy the code and change it to your needs. Now the code is presented to the new writer in full (complex) drivers that maybe even the authors don't understand anymore. It might be better to present the "example code" in blocks, or step-by-step parts. If your synth doesn't use a this-or-that, go to the next step, choose another code-module that suits your needs. The list of code-modules could be a library of all currently used techniques organized by point of view: device, singledriver, bankdriver and converter with their attributes and methods, as in the step by step wiki part <http://jsynthlib.wikispaces.com/Step-by-step> versus Menu actions from a library, scene or bank window and moving a sysexwidget in an editorFrame, as in the using synthlib wiki part<http://jsynthlib.wikispaces.com/Using_JSynthLib> -> why/how do they work, what code-modules do they require? Using such template code examples might also help to keep a standard way of doing things and find common methods between drivers. Maybe that's already something the xmldriver does. An advantage of the xml editorbuilder might also be that the user can combine his favorite parameters in one editorwindow with the fadernumbers assigned that he wants. I'm not sure if that still fits in the original vision of JSL... My SPD11PatchEditor has 256 knobs, and another 256 comboboxes. I can't assign all knobs to a different fadernumber now. Or am I wrong? Mmm, I could probably set an int variable in the user's prefs and use that variable to assign fadernumbers to the knobs. Did any other editor implement such a hack? How do I find that editor? A library of used techniques would be my preferred place to go looking for that editor. Now I'll have to go reading all editors and hope there's one that can inspire me. I'll stop here for now. Cheers :-) Peter On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 6:56 PM, Joachim <li...@sd...> wrote: > Hi, > > that's the best idea I've seen on this list for years. Therefore I'm > explicitly mentioning it > with a dedicated subject for those who don't read every message on this > list. > I must admit I never understood how to write an XML driver therefore > I've only written > Java drivers. That's the reason why I can unfortunately not contribute > anything the wiki. :( > > It would be even better if the complete www.jsynthlib.org would be > turned into a wiki > as Brian Klock (I think he holds the page) seems to have no time for > keeping it up-to-date. > > Cheers > Joachim > > Am 25.08.2009 um 19:17 schrieb Peter Geirnaert: > > > Ok, thanks, very nice, I'll surely give it some tinkertime. > > I started an XMLguide <http://jsynthlib.wikispaces.com/XMLguide> as > > part of > > the wiki, too bad that I've got troubles opening (and loading) the > > preferences (window), that way I can't do any testing so I have to fix > > that > > problem first. > > > > Walking the dog now ... > > Peter > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Come build with us! The BlackBerry® Developer Conference in SF, CA > is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your > developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay > ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9-12, 2009. Register now! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf > _______________________________________________ > Jsynthlib-devel mailing list > Jsy...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jsynthlib-devel > |
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