RE: [Josgui-devel] FW: JOS GUI

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I think the Rheise-OS will capture everything we need, so we won't have to
do anything.  Bob, I believe he even has tasks and whatnot, so your task
manager suddenly becomes easier.  It's just the backend that we needed.

	Matt

-----Original Message-----
From: jos...@li...
[mailto:jos...@li...]On Behalf Of Bill
Groppe
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 6:38 PM
To: jos...@li...
Subject: RE: [Josgui-devel] FW: JOS GUI

If you reclass the swing components, you don't have to worry about it.  A
regular app will start up, create a frame and go.  It won't even now that
the
frame is a JInternalFrame as opposed to a regular one.  Becuase JFrame and
Frame will both instantiate JInternalFrame instead of there regular classes.

You're probably right though, we should work with rheise, to get things
going.

-Bill

On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, you wrote:
> That still doesn't handle when regular Java applications start up. If we
> were able to catch the frame creation events and add them to a
> JInternalFrame in the desktop, then that would be a cool way to do it, but
I
> have no idea how to catch those events.  I think the best option is to
work
> with the rheise OS and get things started from within that.
>
> 	Matt
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jos...@li...
> [mailto:jos...@li...]On Behalf Of Bill
> Groppe
> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 4:17 PM
> To: jos...@li...
> Subject: Re: [Josgui-devel] FW: JOS GUI
>
>
>
>
> Ok, here's my 2 cents.  I'm certainly not as experienced as you guys are,
> but
> why not use desktop manager?
>
> If we take the src to the swing library and make all the
> dialogs/frames/windows inherit from JInternalFrame, wouldn't that get us
> alot
> of the functionality we're looking for?
>
> One JDesktop Frame would contain all the other frames.  The developers of
> other
> apps wouldn't ahve to worry about porting, and some of the functionality
is
> already there.
>
> Please let me know what you think.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill
>
> On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, you wrote:
> > Here's some ideas.
> >
> > 	Matt
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Iain Shigeoka [mailto:iai...@me...]
> > Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 1:47 PM
> > To: Matthew Schmidt
> > Subject: RE: JOS GUI
> >
> >
> > At 12:12 PM 9/21/00 -0400, you wrote:
> > >Well currently we were relying on whatever Swing and the core Java
> classes
> > >for showing the GUI. I hadn't really thought about talking directly to
> the
> > >video drivers.  We had assumed that JOS would be packaging something
> > similar
> > >to the Java core classes and swing with the OS, then we'd use those.
> >
> > Yes.  Eventually JOS will do so (implement swing independently).  For
now,
> > swing on xwindows will work though and it probably is a different
project
> > to actually implement swing directly on video drivers.  So for your GUI
is
> > this doing a desktop and window manager in swing?  Will other java
> > swing/awt applications need to be specially tweaked to work with your
gui
> > or will it work transparently?
> >
> > Finally, I know you're looking into ways to launch gui aps and do start
> > menus and docks.  How you checked out the webstart technology from sun?
I
> > was thinking that might make a perfect installation/update/uninstall
> > technology for jos to adopt for all software installation/configuration.
> >
> > >PS>  I don't have any experience with video drivers, so if we need to
> > >implement that way, we're going to need someone else with that kind of
> > >experience on the team.
> >
> > OK.  I think we'll make that a separate project as its more a library
> > porting issue (swing on a raw graphics device) than anything
specifically
> > GUI related.
> >
> > -iain
> >
> >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Iain Shigeoka [mailto:iai...@ya...]
> > >Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 11:48 AM
> > >To: Matthew Schmidt
> > >Subject: Re: JOS GUI
> > >
> > >
> > >At 12:21 AM 9/21/00 -0400, you wrote:
> > > >Potential Subsystems to replace:
> > > >         X-Windows window manager
> > > >         X-Windows itself
> > > >
> > > >When looking over your wiki page, I noticed these two things for Rome
> > 1.4.
> > > >Currently myself and 3 others (presently) are working on a windowing
> > system
> > > >for JOS to be used whenever it gets on it's feet enough to use it.
> We've
> > > >got lots of great ideas for this system, and it's coming along quiet
> > nicely
> > > >so far.  I just released the first version of the media player that
is
> > >going
> > > >to go with it.  I just wanted to let you know that we were working on
> > this.
> > > >We'd work on something more pressing towards the front, but our
> > experience
> > > >is mostly GUI work and we fit in best here.
> > >
> > >I checked it out.  It looks really nice.  Thanks for the update.  Once
> the
> > >re-org is underway, I think we should really help to promote your work
> > >because I didn't even know it was happening!  Does your GUI rely on X
> > >windows or does it talk directly to the video drivers?
> > >
> > >-iain
> >
> >
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