Re: [jOrgan-user] OT. PROPOSAL: "jOrgan Consoles" & "jOrgan Dispositions" module abstractions separ
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Re: [jOrgan-user] OT. PROPOSAL: "jOrgan Consoles" & "jOrgan Dispositions" module abstractions separation WAS: [QUESTION/PROP] FluidSynth costumizer tab
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From: Lynn W. <cl...@gm...> - 2011-04-21 18:53:54
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Roy, I attended grammar school in the 1960s. There we learned that the personal pronouns "he" and "him" and suffix "-man" stood for BOTH male and female whenever a general (non-specific) person was being referenced. This definition has always been good enough for me, and I have never bought into the extremely awkward "he/she", "him/her", "-person" terminology. Those constructs do not add any meaning to the dialog, and only serve to appease the "politically correct" crowd. CLW -------------------------------------------------------------------- On 4/21/2011 2:42 PM, Roy Radford wrote: > "I'm not sayin' she as we don't have any lady dispo creator... yet)." > > ...Come to think of it, do we have any ladies here at all? > > > Have fun, > > Roy. > > > --- On *Thu, 21/4/11, Panos Ghekas /<pan...@ya...>/* wrote: > > > From: Panos Ghekas <pan...@ya...> > Subject: Re: [jOrgan-user] PROPOSAL: "jOrgan Consoles" & "jOrgan Dispositions" module > abstractions separation WAS: [QUESTION/PROP] FluidSynth costumizer tab > To: jor...@li... > Date: Thursday, 21 April, 2011, 19:27 > > I agree with Lynn. > > Do not expect jOrgan (and any app) do anything in auto mode and us do nothing exept > just download and install. > > jOrgan is not for pipe organs only. Remember my piano/strings dispo. There's a hold > stop like the ones found on synths. > I use jorgan to control big samplers with any type of instrument loaded in 16 channels > at least. > > Matt was right that there are users with 4:3 screens and is hard for them when a dispo > creator releases for 16:9. Two screen versions by the creator is the solution, not in > software. As 4xsound drivers versions (aka Direct, Asio, Jack, WDMKS). > And creating Xmanual versions too, aka 1m, 1m/p, 2m, 2m/p ect depending on the organ, > or even the synthesizer (!) yes. I got one dispo with two keybords for conrollers, one > for an 88 piano type , engaging piano,rhodes,CP80,Clavinet ect and the other for a > 61keys synth type engaging OB8, Moog, Prophet5 ect stops on console. > > Configuration wizard is very good as it is IMHO, it's up to the disposition creator to > work harder to cover as many users' needs as he can (I'm not sayin' she as we don't > have any lady dispo creator... yet). > > As time goes by and we know each other better, more or less we know how our physical > consoles are, add to that this jOrgan-life-pictures topics (gooood!), so dispositions > can be this way for work for the most of us. > A data base of "Registered Users Physical consoles and/or kbd controllers" would be > very useful I'm thinkin', so I would know for whom I'm gonna make things. > Example who to refuse Marco a Ped to Grt coupler with monophonic bass ? > Since I know he will love it and use it in Church !! > Or someone with a 3man console that he/she needs some stops for the 3rd man and > he/she's got a two man dispo. > > Private e-mails are good for this. Why not ask ? Is it possible to? Then it's up to > the creator if he will, as time and obligations permits. Seems like an after sales > concept, I know, but here we're a kinda familly, or community. > > Remember, Erik wanted a multi out Oberhausbergen. Yeah, good idea, many others would > beneffit from, but, I didn't know how to do it, he did, I uploaded this alternate > version and so on. > > My point is we can work together in some level and cannot expect everything from Sven. > > Ah, some good news. Hauptwerk 4 is released and guess what : it has a midi recorder in > it..... he he, jOrgan has it for sooooo long, also F11 full screen (now?) and Midi out > for all versions :-) and some customizing features...... > Beyond jokes, HW4 is powerfull but all the above proves that jOrgan leads the way in > some extremelly useful features. > > Best > Panos > > --- Στις *Πέμ., 21/04/11, ο/η Lynn Walls /<cl...@gm...>/* έγραψε: > > Yes...my two-layer (disposition file/config file) solution is essentially intended > to help > the disposition developer --- NOT the end user. There would have to be a .config file > tailored to each unique disposition. That is necessary because each disposition would > potentially have a different number of keyboards, a different number of swells, and a > different number of stops, couplers, trems and any other switches. It would not be > feasible to define all these objects with any sort of "standard" nomenclature. > Just for > example, the manuals in classical/church organ terminology are named completely > differently than those of a theatre organ. And even within each of those classes > of organ > the nomenclature often varies. And what about harpsichords, and electronic synth rigs > (like Roy's) and other variants of keyboards and sound sources that jOrgan can > potentially > support? Don't assume that jOrgan is only only for pipe organs. So don't try to > come up > with some "standard" that only addresses pipe organs. Simply put: just leave it up > to the > disposition developer to name those input and output devices in the most > meaningful way so > that when the Configuration WIZARD presents those names to the end user, that end > user > will know what physical device needs to be connected to that name. > > It is the robustness of the WIZARD that will help the "lazy" end user -- NOT the > layered > disposition/config file architecture. > > You'll never get anywhere with trying to make it simpler for the end user that a good > configuration WIZARD. Face it: at a MINIMUM, the end user will HAVE to understand his > MIDI hardware, and he will HAVE to go through a configuration process at least > ONCE per > different organ definition disposition. Even Hauptwerk does not make it simpler than > this! In fact, Hauptwerk's configuration wizard could probably be used as a > functional > model if Sven wanted to enhance the jOrgan wizard to be able to auto-detect the > scope, > channel and device of every keyboard and continuous controller (swell). > > Any user who wants to be "lazier" than this probably does not deserve much > consideration > from this forum. If Sven were trying to make money from selling jOrgan licenses, > he might > be inclined to bend-over-backwards for the ultra-lazy dummy. But given the monetary > compensation involved, I would be surprised if any serious help would be > forthcoming for > any end user who is unwilling to work through a configuration wizard at least once > for > each distinct disposition that he wants to use. > > CLW > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Fulfilling the Lean Software Promise > Lean software platforms are now widely adopted and the benefits have been > demonstrated beyond question. 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