[Dirk Schenkewitz <schenkewitz@do...>]

On Tuesday, 6. June 2006 19:09, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 06, 2006 at 05:50:52PM +0100, Pedro Tim=F3teo wrote:
> > > Maybe a "preferences" script should be run the first time you start
> > > JOE...
> >
> > Please change it, or at least allow a preference. It's annoying to have
> > to start vi every time I paste a script, because joe will ruin the
> > backquotes. :)
>
> Oh, there is a preference. Put this in your .joerc:
>
> quote           ^[ `            Enter Ctrl chars

Yes, but it's annoying to do this on every machine and everytime an OS is=20
wiped out and replaced.

My vote: Please change it.
^[ ` is much better than ^`, but how about ^[ ' (<Esc><singlequote>) and/or=
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^[ "  (<Esc><doublequote>) ?

Because, on keyboards where ` is a dead char, you need to type the ` twice =
or=20
type a blank after it to use them as stand-alone characters and to trigger =
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joe-function. This is not needed with singlequote or doublequote.

> About this, on non-english keyboard, it's sometime hard, or not possible =
to
> do some keys combinaisons.  Control one's in particular.  When using joe
> within putty.exe (windows ssh client) with a french keyboard, I can not u=
se
> ^_, ^^ ("^" is a dead key in french) ^@ (@ is on a second Alt map called
> AltGr key, sometime considered as Alt+Control) ^\ is the same.  Under
> linux, ^^, ^@ and ^\ are nearly unusable.

Talking about that...  I just made some quick tests (Linux, german keyboard=
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and found that the following do not work:=20
^^
^!
^"
^&
^/
^' (=3D <Ctrl><single-quote>, not an accent)
^*
^?
^.
^+
The last two can be reached without using <Shift>.=20

But the following work (surprise, surprise):
^\  (=3D> quote8) (<AltGr> needed to reach "\")
^_  (=3D> undo) (<Shift> needed to reach "_")
^`  (=3D> quote) <Shift> needed to reach "`" plus a blank or another "`" to=
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trigger quote.)

^=C2=B4 and Esc-=C2=B4 give me a "bad key sequence".=20
Other combinations with Esc always work, as far as I tested.

The following are dead-key characters:  "^" (circumflex), "~" (tilde),=20
"=C2=B4" (accent right(?)) and "`" (accent left(?)).=20

I cannot see a systematic behaviour in this, does anybody know why it behav=
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like this?

> French is not the only non-english keyboard, and I think many keyboard
> mapping can cause problems.  I think we should limit control with
> non-letter combinaison.  Or define more than one mapping for thoses with
> one using Control+[Letter/digit] or Escape+[common key].
>
> Is there a non-latin keyboard user here?  Who are you working?

I just saw Egmont's usage of ^7 and ^6. Right: ^7 causes undo, ^6 causes re=
do,=20
even though they are not defined. When I try to define them as quote8, it i=
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ignored and they continue to work as undo and redo.

Regards
Dirk