From: A. H. <ang...@ua...> - 2012-06-02 16:53:10
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Version 9 of MSIE may use the OBJECT tag common to other browsers, rather than the class-id based tag characteristic of MSIE6+ Rich Apodaca reports [1] about problems running applets in IE9 with some versions of Java, so I am testing Jmol.js to switch to the HTML-type object tag for IE9. I see that the new JmolCore.js uses the same methods for inserting applets, so it will need the same fix-improvement. If there is no objection I will go for it. (Still have to set-up my SVN commit software, new computer, but hopefully will be able to do it this weekend) [1] http://metamolecular.com/blog/2012/05/29/ie9-error-when-pasting-from-che mdraw-to-chemwriter-and-a-fix/ |
From: Robert H. <ha...@st...> - 2012-06-03 01:34:35
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I use MSIE 9, and I haven't had any problem like that. So I think it's OK. But I am having one odd behavior -- our current set up for JmolCore is making it so that you have to move the mouse over the Jmol applet before Java loads. Strangest thing I've ever seen. I'm trying to track it down. Q: If you use MSIE 9 (or any other version of MSIE), could you please go to http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/chemdoodle/sno2.htm and tell me if you see the applet right away (just a black box) or only after you move the mouse over it? Can you see what's wrong with my code and help me fix it? Thanks, Bob On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Angel Herráez <ang...@ua...> wrote: > Version 9 of MSIE may use the OBJECT tag common to other browsers, > rather than the class-id based tag characteristic of MSIE6+ > > Rich Apodaca reports [1] about problems running applets in IE9 with some > versions of Java, so I am testing Jmol.js to switch to the HTML-type > object > tag for IE9. > > I see that the new JmolCore.js uses the same methods for inserting applets, > so it will need the same fix-improvement. > > If there is no objection I will go for it. (Still have to set-up my SVN > commit > software, new computer, but hopefully will be able to do it this weekend) > > [1] > http://metamolecular.com/blog/2012/05/29/ie9-error-when-pasting-from-che > mdraw-to-chemwriter-and-a-fix/ > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Live Security Virtual Conference > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and > threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions > will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware > threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ > _______________________________________________ > Jmol-developers mailing list > Jmo...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-developers > -- Robert M. Hanson Professor of Chemistry St. Olaf College 1520 St. Olaf Ave. Northfield, MN 55057 http://www.stolaf.edu/people/hansonr phone: 507-786-3107 If nature does not answer first what we want, it is better to take what answer we get. -- Josiah Willard Gibbs, Lecture XXX, Monday, February 5, 1900 |
From: Jaime P. <jai...@we...> - 2012-06-03 04:21:18
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Bob, Safari 5.1.7 on Mac 10.7.4 shows the empty white square and stays there. No mouse movements nor clicks are enough to elicit any behavior. FireFox 12.0 and Chrome 19.0... on Mac load the applet immediately. Jaim On Jun 3, 2012, at 4:34 AM, Robert Hanson wrote: I use MSIE 9, and I haven't had any problem like that. So I think it's OK. But I am having one odd behavior -- our current set up for JmolCore is making it so that you have to move the mouse over the Jmol applet before Java loads. Strangest thing I've ever seen. I'm trying to track it down. Q: If you use MSIE 9 (or any other version of MSIE), could you please go to http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/chemdoodle/sno2.htm and tell me if you see the applet right away (just a black box) or only after you move the mouse over it? Can you see what's wrong with my code and help me fix it? Thanks, Bob On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Angel Herráez <ang...@ua...<mailto:ang...@ua...>> wrote: Version 9 of MSIE may use the OBJECT tag common to other browsers, rather than the class-id based tag characteristic of MSIE6+ Rich Apodaca reports [1] about problems running applets in IE9 with some versions of Java, so I am testing Jmol.js to switch to the HTML-type object tag for IE9. I see that the new JmolCore.js uses the same methods for inserting applets, so it will need the same fix-improvement. If there is no objection I will go for it. (Still have to set-up my SVN commit software, new computer, but hopefully will be able to do it this weekend) [1] http://metamolecular.com/blog/2012/05/29/ie9-error-when-pasting-from-che mdraw-to-chemwriter-and-a-fix/<http://metamolecular.com/blog/2012/05/29/ie9-error-when-pasting-from-che%0Amdraw-to-chemwriter-and-a-fix/> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ _______________________________________________ Jmol-developers mailing list Jmo...@li...<mailto:Jmo...@li...> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-developers -- Robert M. Hanson Professor of Chemistry St. Olaf College 1520 St. Olaf Ave. Northfield, MN 55057 http://www.stolaf.edu/people/hansonr phone: 507-786-3107<tel:507-786-3107> If nature does not answer first what we want, it is better to take what answer we get. -- Josiah Willard Gibbs, Lecture XXX, Monday, February 5, 1900 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/_______________________________________________ Jmol-developers mailing list Jmo...@li...<mailto:Jmo...@li...> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-developers |
From: Robert H. <ha...@st...> - 2012-06-03 18:16:14
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Not studying Macs with this, but it's worth checking anyway. Anyone who has a Mac/Safari or Windows/MSIE, please test: http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/chemdoodle/sno.htm http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/chemdoodle/sno2.htm http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/chemdoodle/sok.htm http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/chemdoodle/sok2.htm http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/chemdoodle/sok3.htm http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/chemdoodle/sok4.htm In principle, all of these should show a spinning protein. I need advise from someone with CSS experience -- what am I doing wrong between sno2.htm and sok4.htm? The only difference there is putting the applet in a table (sno2.htm) or not (sok4.htm). My experience is that MSIE is always right - just very particular. I'm missing something subtle. Bob On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 11:21 PM, Jaime Prilusky < jai...@we...> wrote: > Bob, > > Safari 5.1.7 on Mac 10.7.4 shows the empty white square and stays there. > No mouse movements nor clicks are enough to elicit any behavior. > > FireFox 12.0 and Chrome 19.0... on Mac load the applet immediately. > > Jaim > > On Jun 3, 2012, at 4:34 AM, Robert Hanson wrote: > > I use MSIE 9, and I haven't had any problem like that. So I think it's OK. > But I am having one odd behavior -- our current set up for JmolCore is > making it so that you have to move the mouse over the Jmol applet before > Java loads. Strangest thing I've ever seen. I'm trying to track it down. > > Q: If you use MSIE 9 (or any other version of MSIE), could you please go to > > http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/chemdoodle/sno2.htm > > and tell me if you see the applet right away (just a black box) or only > after you move the mouse over it? > > Can you see what's wrong with my code and help me fix it? > > Thanks, > > Bob > > > On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Angel Herráez <ang...@ua...>wrote: > >> Version 9 of MSIE may use the OBJECT tag common to other browsers, >> rather than the class-id based tag characteristic of MSIE6+ >> >> Rich Apodaca reports [1] about problems running applets in IE9 with some >> versions of Java, so I am testing Jmol.js to switch to the HTML-type >> object >> tag for IE9. >> >> I see that the new JmolCore.js uses the same methods for inserting >> applets, >> so it will need the same fix-improvement. >> >> If there is no objection I will go for it. (Still have to set-up my SVN >> commit >> software, new computer, but hopefully will be able to do it this weekend) >> >> [1] >> http://metamolecular.com/blog/2012/05/29/ie9-error-when-pasting-from-che >> mdraw-to-chemwriter-and-a-fix/ >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Live Security Virtual Conference >> Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and >> threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions >> will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware >> threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Jmol-developers mailing list >> Jmo...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-developers >> > > > > -- > Robert M. Hanson > Professor of Chemistry > St. Olaf College > 1520 St. Olaf Ave. > Northfield, MN 55057 > http://www.stolaf.edu/people/hansonr > phone: 507-786-3107 > > > If nature does not answer first what we want, > it is better to take what answer we get. > > -- Josiah Willard Gibbs, Lecture XXX, Monday, February 5, 1900 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Live Security Virtual Conference > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and > threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions > will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware > threats. > http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/_______________________________________________ > Jmol-developers mailing list > Jmo...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-developers > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Live Security Virtual Conference > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and > threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions > will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware > threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ > _______________________________________________ > Jmol-developers mailing list > Jmo...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-developers > > -- Robert M. Hanson Professor of Chemistry St. Olaf College 1520 St. Olaf Ave. Northfield, MN 55057 http://www.stolaf.edu/people/hansonr phone: 507-786-3107 If nature does not answer first what we want, it is better to take what answer we get. -- Josiah Willard Gibbs, Lecture XXX, Monday, February 5, 1900 |
From: Jonathan G. <gu...@uw...> - 2012-06-03 22:22:12
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All works fine with MacOS and Google Chrome (pretty much same as Safari, they use the same rendering engine.) Jonathan On Jun 3, 2012, at 1:16 PM, Robert Hanson wrote: > Not studying Macs with this, but it's worth checking anyway. > > Anyone who has a Mac/Safari or Windows/MSIE, please test: > > http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/chemdoodle/sno.htm > http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/chemdoodle/sno2.htm > http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/chemdoodle/sok.htm > http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/chemdoodle/sok2.htm > http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/chemdoodle/sok3.htm > http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/chemdoodle/sok4.htm > > In principle, all of these should show a spinning protein. > > I need advise from someone with CSS experience -- what am I doing wrong between sno2.htm and sok4.htm? The only difference there is putting the applet in a table (sno2.htm) or not (sok4.htm). My experience is that MSIE is always right - just very particular. I'm missing something subtle. > > Bob > > > On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 11:21 PM, Jaime Prilusky <jai...@we...> wrote: > Bob, > > Safari 5.1.7 on Mac 10.7.4 shows the empty white square and stays there. > No mouse movements nor clicks are enough to elicit any behavior. > > > > FireFox 12.0 and Chrome 19.0... on Mac load the applet immediately. > > Jaim > > > On Jun 3, 2012, at 4:34 AM, Robert Hanson wrote: > >> I use MSIE 9, and I haven't had any problem like that. So I think it's OK. But I am having one odd behavior -- our current set up for JmolCore is making it so that you have to move the mouse over the Jmol applet before Java loads. Strangest thing I've ever seen. I'm trying to track it down. >> >> Q: If you use MSIE 9 (or any other version of MSIE), could you please go to >> >> http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/chemdoodle/sno2.htm >> >> and tell me if you see the applet right away (just a black box) or only after you move the mouse over it? >> >> Can you see what's wrong with my code and help me fix it? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Bob >> >> >> On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Angel Herráez <ang...@ua...> wrote: >> Version 9 of MSIE may use the OBJECT tag common to other browsers, >> rather than the class-id based tag characteristic of MSIE6+ >> >> Rich Apodaca reports [1] about problems running applets in IE9 with some >> versions of Java, so I am testing Jmol.js to switch to the HTML-type object >> tag for IE9. >> >> I see that the new JmolCore.js uses the same methods for inserting applets, >> so it will need the same fix-improvement. >> >> If there is no objection I will go for it. (Still have to set-up my SVN commit >> software, new computer, but hopefully will be able to do it this weekend) >> >> [1] >> http://metamolecular.com/blog/2012/05/29/ie9-error-when-pasting-from-che >> mdraw-to-chemwriter-and-a-fix/ >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Live Security Virtual Conference >> Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and >> threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions >> will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware >> threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Jmol-developers mailing list >> Jmo...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-developers >> >> >> >> -- >> Robert M. Hanson >> Professor of Chemistry >> St. Olaf College >> 1520 St. Olaf Ave. >> Northfield, MN 55057 >> http://www.stolaf.edu/people/hansonr >> phone: 507-786-3107 >> >> >> If nature does not answer first what we want, >> it is better to take what answer we get. >> >> -- Josiah Willard Gibbs, Lecture XXX, Monday, February 5, 1900 >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Live Security Virtual Conference >> Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and >> threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions >> will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware >> threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/_______________________________________________ >> Jmol-developers mailing list >> Jmo...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-developers > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Live Security Virtual Conference > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and > threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions > will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware > threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ > _______________________________________________ > Jmol-developers mailing list > Jmo...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-developers > > > > > -- > Robert M. Hanson > Professor of Chemistry > St. Olaf College > 1520 St. Olaf Ave. > Northfield, MN 55057 > http://www.stolaf.edu/people/hansonr > phone: 507-786-3107 > > > If nature does not answer first what we want, > it is better to take what answer we get. > > -- Josiah Willard Gibbs, Lecture XXX, Monday, February 5, 1900 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Live Security Virtual Conference > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and > threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions > will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware > threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ > _______________________________________________ > Jmol-developers mailing list > Jmo...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-developers Dr. Jonathan H. Gutow Chemistry Department gu...@uw... UW-Oshkosh Office: 920-424-1326 800 Algoma Boulevard FAX:920-424-2042 Oshkosh, WI 54901 http://www.uwosh.edu/facstaff/gutow |
From: Robert H. <ha...@st...> - 2012-06-03 22:25:54
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no such thing as "pretty much" in this game! :) On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Jonathan Gutow <gu...@uw...> wrote: > All works fine with MacOS and Google Chrome (pretty much same as Safari, > they use the same rendering engine.) > > Jonathan > > On Jun 3, 2012, at 1:16 PM, Robert Hanson wrote: > > Not studying Macs with this, but it's worth checking anyway. > > Anyone who has a Mac/Safari or Windows/MSIE, please test: > > http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/chemdoodle/sno.htm > http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/chemdoodle/sno2.htm > http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/chemdoodle/sok.htm > http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/chemdoodle/sok2.htm > http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/chemdoodle/sok3.htm > http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/chemdoodle/sok4.htm > > In principle, all of these should show a spinning protein. > > I need advise from someone with CSS experience -- what am I doing wrong > between sno2.htm and sok4.htm? The only difference there is putting the > applet in a table (sno2.htm) or not (sok4.htm). My experience is that MSIE > is always right - just very particular. I'm missing something subtle. > > Bob > > > On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 11:21 PM, Jaime Prilusky < > jai...@we...> wrote: > >> Bob, >> >> Safari 5.1.7 on Mac 10.7.4 shows the empty white square and stays >> there. >> No mouse movements nor clicks are enough to elicit any behavior. >> > > > >> FireFox 12.0 and Chrome 19.0... on Mac load the applet immediately. >> >> Jaim >> >> On Jun 3, 2012, at 4:34 AM, Robert Hanson wrote: >> >> I use MSIE 9, and I haven't had any problem like that. So I think it's >> OK. But I am having one odd behavior -- our current set up for JmolCore is >> making it so that you have to move the mouse over the Jmol applet before >> Java loads. Strangest thing I've ever seen. I'm trying to track it down. >> >> Q: If you use MSIE 9 (or any other version of MSIE), could you please go >> to >> >> http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/chemdoodle/sno2.htm >> >> and tell me if you see the applet right away (just a black box) or only >> after you move the mouse over it? >> >> Can you see what's wrong with my code and help me fix it? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Bob >> >> >> On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Angel Herráez <ang...@ua...>wrote: >> >>> Version 9 of MSIE may use the OBJECT tag common to other browsers, >>> rather than the class-id based tag characteristic of MSIE6+ >>> >>> Rich Apodaca reports [1] about problems running applets in IE9 with some >>> versions of Java, so I am testing Jmol.js to switch to the HTML-type >>> object >>> tag for IE9. >>> >>> I see that the new JmolCore.js uses the same methods for inserting >>> applets, >>> so it will need the same fix-improvement. >>> >>> If there is no objection I will go for it. (Still have to set-up my SVN >>> commit >>> software, new computer, but hopefully will be able to do it this weekend) >>> >>> [1] >>> http://metamolecular.com/blog/2012/05/29/ie9-error-when-pasting-from-che >>> mdraw-to-chemwriter-and-a-fix/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Live Security Virtual Conference >>> Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and >>> threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions >>> will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware >>> threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jmol-developers mailing list >>> Jmo...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-developers >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Robert M. Hanson >> Professor of Chemistry >> St. Olaf College >> 1520 St. Olaf Ave. >> Northfield, MN 55057 >> http://www.stolaf.edu/people/hansonr >> phone: 507-786-3107 >> >> >> If nature does not answer first what we want, >> it is better to take what answer we get. >> >> -- Josiah Willard Gibbs, Lecture XXX, Monday, February 5, 1900 >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Live Security Virtual Conference >> Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and >> threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions >> will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware >> threats. >> http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/_______________________________________________ >> Jmol-developers mailing list >> Jmo...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-developers >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Live Security Virtual Conference >> Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and >> threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions >> will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware >> threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Jmol-developers mailing list >> Jmo...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-developers >> >> > > > -- > Robert M. Hanson > Professor of Chemistry > St. Olaf College > 1520 St. Olaf Ave. > Northfield, MN 55057 > http://www.stolaf.edu/people/hansonr > phone: 507-786-3107 > > > If nature does not answer first what we want, > it is better to take what answer we get. > > -- Josiah Willard Gibbs, Lecture XXX, Monday, February 5, 1900 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Live Security Virtual Conference > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and > threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions > will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware > threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ > _______________________________________________ > Jmol-developers mailing list > Jmo...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-developers > > > Dr. Jonathan H. Gutow > Chemistry Department gu...@uw... > UW-Oshkosh Office: 920-424-1326 > 800 Algoma Boulevard FAX:920-424-2042 > Oshkosh, WI 54901 > http://www.uwosh.edu/facstaff/gutow > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Live Security Virtual Conference > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and > threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions > will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware > threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ > _______________________________________________ > Jmol-developers mailing list > Jmo...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-developers > > -- Robert M. Hanson Larson-Anderson Professor of Chemistry Chair, Chemistry Department St. Olaf College Northfield, MN http://www.stolaf.edu/people/hansonr If nature does not answer first what we want, it is better to take what answer we get. -- Josiah Willard Gibbs, Lecture XXX, Monday, February 5, 1900 |
From: Jonathan G. <gu...@uw...> - 2012-06-03 22:50:50
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OK, I agree...although my experience is things usually work in Safari, Chrome, Opera, usually FF, but not MSIE. So other MacOS tests: Safari: all work FF: all work Linux test with Chrome (nothing else installed at the moment): all work Jonathan On Jun 3, 2012, at 5:25 PM, Robert Hanson wrote: > no such thing as "pretty much" in this game! :) > > On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Jonathan Gutow <gu...@uw...> wrote: > All works fine with MacOS and Google Chrome (pretty much same as Safari, they use the same rendering engine.) > > Jonathan > Dr. Jonathan H. Gutow Chemistry Department gu...@uw... UW-Oshkosh Office: 920-424-1326 800 Algoma Boulevard FAX:920-424-2042 Oshkosh, WI 54901 http://www.uwosh.edu/facstaff/gutow |
From: Robert H. <ha...@st...> - 2012-06-04 02:22:19
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thank you. Now for MSIE.... On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Jonathan Gutow <gu...@uw...> wrote: > OK, I agree...although my experience is things usually work in Safari, > Chrome, Opera, usually FF, but not MSIE. > > So other MacOS tests: > Safari: all work > FF: all work > > Linux test with Chrome (nothing else installed at the moment): all work > > Jonathan > > On Jun 3, 2012, at 5:25 PM, Robert Hanson wrote: > > no such thing as "pretty much" in this game! :) > > On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Jonathan Gutow <gu...@uw...> wrote: > >> All works fine with MacOS and Google Chrome (pretty much same as Safari, >> they use the same rendering engine.) >> >> Jonathan >> >> > Dr. Jonathan H. Gutow > Chemistry Department gu...@uw... > UW-Oshkosh Office: 920-424-1326 > 800 Algoma Boulevard FAX:920-424-2042 > Oshkosh, WI 54901 > http://www.uwosh.edu/facstaff/gutow > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Live Security Virtual Conference > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and > threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions > will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware > threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ > _______________________________________________ > Jmol-developers mailing list > Jmo...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-developers > > -- Robert M. Hanson Larson-Anderson Professor of Chemistry Chair, Chemistry Department St. Olaf College Northfield, MN http://www.stolaf.edu/people/hansonr If nature does not answer first what we want, it is better to take what answer we get. -- Josiah Willard Gibbs, Lecture XXX, Monday, February 5, 1900 |
From: A. H. <ang...@ua...> - 2012-06-04 07:56:54
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Testing on IE8 WinXP, all but sno2.htm load fine. sno2.htm shows an empty white square until I mouse over it, when the applet displays. Applet insertion is very fast after the first try (cached I guess) so maybe Java and Jmol have loaded in the background. I can report on IE9 / Win7 this evening. |
From: A. H. <ang...@ua...> - 2012-06-04 09:08:42
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Bob, you won't believe this, but I've found a cure: Your page starts <html> If you add a DOCTYPE, IE8 in WinXP fixes the blank problem <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd"> <html> etc... Don't ask me for the explanation :) If I save your page from IE File > Save, it inserts <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> which does not work either. Only the full description seems to fix the problem. |
From: Robert H. <ha...@st...> - 2012-06-04 09:14:48
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well, that's certainly interesting. This is not something I generally want to recommend simply to make it work in MSIE. But that is very interesting. Let's still see if we can figure out why just having it in a table is causing this problem. Hopefully there is something needed in the table tag. Bob On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 4:08 AM, Angel Herráez <ang...@ua...> wrote: > Bob, you won't believe this, but I've found a cure: > > Your page starts <html> > If you add a DOCTYPE, IE8 in WinXP fixes the blank problem > > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN" > "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd"> > <html> > etc... > > Don't ask me for the explanation :) > > If I save your page from IE File > Save, it inserts > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> > > which does not work either. Only the full description seems to fix > the problem. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Live Security Virtual Conference > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and > threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions > will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware > threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ > _______________________________________________ > Jmol-developers mailing list > Jmo...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-developers > -- Robert M. Hanson Larson-Anderson Professor of Chemistry Chair, Chemistry Department St. Olaf College Northfield, MN http://www.stolaf.edu/people/hansonr If nature does not answer first what we want, it is better to take what answer we get. -- Josiah Willard Gibbs, Lecture XXX, Monday, February 5, 1900 |
From: A. H. <ang...@ua...> - 2012-06-04 10:37:00
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The % size of the object tag is involved. If you set it in px size, it works. And if you keep 100% for the object and move the 450px css from the div to the td it also works <td style="width:450px;height:450px;"> <div id="jmol_appletinfotablediv"> <object name='jmol' id='jmol' style="width:100%;height:100%;" Quite a mystery |
From: Robert H. <ha...@st...> - 2012-06-04 11:39:07
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Found it! CLEARLY an MSIE bug, but there is a work-around. All I had to do was make sure there was a <table> around my outer <div> if that outer div contained a <table> with internal <div> that had 100% for a width or height. Go figure! Please check these two pages with MSIE and Mac http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/chemdoodle/test2.htm http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/chemdoodle/simple2.htm -- do you see an applet as usual on both pages? -- on test2, do the show/hide info links under the applet work? (Mac especially) -- when you click the =caffeine? link in test2.htm, does the scrollbar work? -- or does the div extend down the page too far? (MSIE especially) Whew. Crazy! Bob On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 5:36 AM, Angel Herráez <ang...@ua...> wrote: > The % size of the object tag is involved. If you set it in px size, > it works. > > And if you keep 100% for the object and move the 450px css from the > div to the td it also works > > <td style="width:450px;height:450px;"> > <div id="jmol_appletinfotablediv"> > <object name='jmol' id='jmol' > style="width:100%;height:100%;" > > Quite a mystery > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Live Security Virtual Conference > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and > threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions > will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware > threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ > _______________________________________________ > Jmol-developers mailing list > Jmo...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-developers > -- Robert M. Hanson Larson-Anderson Professor of Chemistry Chair, Chemistry Department St. Olaf College Northfield, MN http://www.stolaf.edu/people/hansonr If nature does not answer first what we want, it is better to take what answer we get. -- Josiah Willard Gibbs, Lecture XXX, Monday, February 5, 1900 |
From: A. H. <ang...@ua...> - 2012-06-04 12:59:38
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> http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/chemdoodle/test2.htm > http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/chemdoodle/simple2.htm Testing MSIE 8 in WinXP: > -- do you see an applet as usual on both pages? Ok > -- on test2, do the show/hide info links under the applet work? (Mac > especially) Ok > -- when you click the =caffeine? link in test2.htm, does the > scrollbar work? Ok |
From: Jaime P. <jai...@we...> - 2012-06-04 17:51:12
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Both pages are Ok on both FFox 12.0 and Safari 5.1.7 on Mac. (show/hide info, links following =caffeine?, etc) Drag-minimize on page simple2.html, however, on both FFox and Safari, once turned on, it can't be turned off. Jaim On Jun 4, 2012, at 8:36 PM, Robert Hanson wrote: Hurray! Thanks. Jaime, if you could try that as well, I'd appreciate it. (Since you are the one who noticed the problem, I think.) On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Angel Herráez <ang...@ua...<mailto:ang...@ua...>> wrote: For what it's worth, both pages work fine in Safari on Windows (I know, that's a weird combination, but some times useful since the Safari rendering engine is suposed to behave in the same way--or at least differently to other browsers :) ) > http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/chemdoodle/test2.htm > http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/chemdoodle/simple2.htm Also working in Chrome, WinXP ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ _______________________________________________ Jmol-developers mailing list Jmo...@li...<mailto:Jmo...@li...> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-developers -- Robert M. Hanson Larson-Anderson Professor of Chemistry Chair, Chemistry Department St. Olaf College Northfield, MN http://www.stolaf.edu/people/hansonr If nature does not answer first what we want, it is better to take what answer we get. -- Josiah Willard Gibbs, Lecture XXX, Monday, February 5, 1900 |
From: Robert H. <ha...@st...> - 2012-06-04 21:06:39
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On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Jaime Prilusky < jai...@we...> wrote: > Both pages are Ok on both FFox 12.0 and Safari 5.1.7 on Mac. (show/hide > info, links following =caffeine?, etc) > > Drag-minimize on page simple2.html, however, on both FFox and Safari, > once turned on, it can't > > be turned off. > > Ah, sure. That's because "set picking drag minimize off" is not a command! OK, that's fixed. Then we are all happy with the way it is? I'm ready to say Jmol.js can be deprecated. More and more this is looking like "Jmol 13.0" If so, I would target that for later this summer, probably mid August. :) > Jaim > > > On Jun 4, 2012, at 8:36 PM, Robert Hanson wrote: > > Hurray! Thanks. Jaime, if you could try that as well, I'd appreciate it. > (Since you are the one who noticed the problem, I think.) > > On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Angel Herráez <ang...@ua...>wrote: > >> For what it's worth, both pages work fine in Safari on Windows (I >> know, that's a weird combination, but some times useful since the >> Safari rendering engine is suposed to behave in the same way--or at >> least differently to other browsers :) ) >> >> > http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/chemdoodle/test2.htm >> > http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/chemdoodle/simple2.htm >> >> Also working in Chrome, WinXP >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Live Security Virtual Conference >> Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and >> threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions >> will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware >> threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Jmol-developers mailing list >> Jmo...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-developers >> > > > > -- > Robert M. Hanson > Larson-Anderson Professor of Chemistry > Chair, Chemistry Department > St. Olaf College > Northfield, MN > http://www.stolaf.edu/people/hansonr > > > If nature does not answer first what we want, > it is better to take what answer we get. > > -- Josiah Willard Gibbs, Lecture XXX, Monday, February 5, 1900 > > > > -- Robert M. Hanson Larson-Anderson Professor of Chemistry Chair, Chemistry Department St. Olaf College Northfield, MN http://www.stolaf.edu/people/hansonr If nature does not answer first what we want, it is better to take what answer we get. -- Josiah Willard Gibbs, Lecture XXX, Monday, February 5, 1900 |
From: A. H. <ang...@ua...> - 2012-06-04 18:15:41
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Tests using IE 9 on Win7 (64-bit version) > http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/chemdoodle/test2.htm OK > http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/chemdoodle/simple2.htm OK > http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/JmolPopup2.htm OK > http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/chemdoodle/test2b.htm all OK |
From: A. H. <ang...@ua...> - 2012-06-05 08:39:29
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Very good, Bob! 13 will be a magic number I still think that if IE9 adheres to all other browsers' standard regarding the object tag we would be better using the same tag for it and not the IE-specific tag we are currently using in both Jmol.js and JmolCore.js |
From: Robert H. <ha...@st...> - 2012-06-05 11:26:53
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We do use the standard tag. That's just for MSIE 6 On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 3:39 AM, Angel Herráez <ang...@ua...> wrote: > Very good, Bob! 13 will be a magic number > > I still think that if IE9 adheres to all other browsers' standard > regarding the object tag we would be better using the same tag for it > and not the IE-specific tag we are currently using in both Jmol.js > and JmolCore.js > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Live Security Virtual Conference > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and > threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions > will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware > threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ > _______________________________________________ > Jmol-developers mailing list > Jmo...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-developers > -- Robert M. Hanson Larson-Anderson Professor of Chemistry Chair, Chemistry Department St. Olaf College Northfield, MN http://www.stolaf.edu/people/hansonr If nature does not answer first what we want, it is better to take what answer we get. -- Josiah Willard Gibbs, Lecture XXX, Monday, February 5, 1900 |
From: A. H. <ang...@ua...> - 2012-06-05 12:59:30
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> We do use the standard tag. That's just for MSIE 6 I don't think so: http://jmol.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/jmol/trunk/Jmol/appletweb/JmolC ore.js?revision=17261&view=markup 374 features.useIEObject = (features.os() == "win" && features.browserName == "msie" && features.browserVersion >= 5.5); http://jmol.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/jmol/trunk/Jmol/appletweb/JmolApplet.js?revision=17256&view=markup 162 if (Jmol.featureDetection.useIEObject) { // use MSFT IE6 object tag with .cab file reference 163 var _windowsClassId = "clsid:8AD9C840-044E-11D1-B3E9-00805F499D93"; 164 var _windowsCabUrl = "http://java.sun.com/update/1.6.0/jinstall-6u22-windows-i586.cab"; 165 tHeader += " classid='" + _windowsClassId + "'\n" + " codebase='" + _windowsCabUrl + "'\n>\n"; 166 } else if (Jmol.featureDetection.useHtml4Object) { // use HTML4 object tag |
From: Robert H. <ha...@st...> - 2012-06-05 18:32:05
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Ah, yes. I see. Well, MSIE 9.0 reports navigator.userAgent to be "Mozilla", so that takes care of that! Bob On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Angel Herráez <ang...@ua...> wrote: > > We do use the standard tag. That's just for MSIE 6 > > I don't think so: > > http://jmol.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/jmol/trunk/Jmol/appletweb/JmolC > ore.js?revision=17261&view=markup > > 374 features.useIEObject = (features.os() == "win" && > features.browserName == "msie" && features.browserVersion >= 5.5); > > > > http://jmol.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/jmol/trunk/Jmol/appletweb/JmolApplet.js?revision=17256&view=markup > > 162 if (Jmol.featureDetection.useIEObject) { // use MSFT IE6 object > tag with .cab file reference > 163 var _windowsClassId = "clsid:8AD9C840-044E-11D1-B3E9-00805F499D93"; > 164 var _windowsCabUrl = " > http://java.sun.com/update/1.6.0/jinstall-6u22-windows-i586.cab"; > 165 tHeader += " classid='" + _windowsClassId + "'\n" + " codebase='" > + _windowsCabUrl + "'\n>\n"; > 166 } else if (Jmol.featureDetection.useHtml4Object) { // use HTML4 > object tag > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Live Security Virtual Conference > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and > threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions > will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware > threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ > _______________________________________________ > Jmol-developers mailing list > Jmo...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-developers > -- Robert M. Hanson Larson-Anderson Professor of Chemistry Chair, Chemistry Department St. Olaf College Northfield, MN http://www.stolaf.edu/people/hansonr If nature does not answer first what we want, it is better to take what answer we get. -- Josiah Willard Gibbs, Lecture XXX, Monday, February 5, 1900 |
From: A. H. <ang...@ua...> - 2012-06-05 18:55:20
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> Ah, yes. I see. Well, MSIE 9.0 reports navigator.userAgent to be "Mozilla", so that takes care of > that! Realy? What fun! I guess that will break many sniffing javascripts :) |
From: Robert H. <ha...@st...> - 2012-06-05 19:02:53
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On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Angel Herráez <ang...@ua...> wrote: > > Ah, yes. I see. Well, MSIE 9.0 reports navigator.userAgent to be > "Mozilla", so that takes care of > > that! > > Realy? What fun! > I guess that will break many sniffing javascripts :) > > It's supposed to make them work. :) > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Live Security Virtual Conference > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and > threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions > will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware > threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ > _______________________________________________ > Jmol-developers mailing list > Jmo...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-developers > -- Robert M. Hanson Larson-Anderson Professor of Chemistry Chair, Chemistry Department St. Olaf College Northfield, MN http://www.stolaf.edu/people/hansonr If nature does not answer first what we want, it is better to take what answer we get. -- Josiah Willard Gibbs, Lecture XXX, Monday, February 5, 1900 |
From: A. H. <ang...@ua...> - 2012-06-05 19:31:03
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Sorry to be a pest, but no. Jmol.js at least tests for MSIE before testing for Mozilla. See it at http://jmol.sourceforge.net/browsercheck/ Also, because of testing for "compatible" in the UA, even if we check "mozilla" first it will still be classified as IE. I think we need to check IE version <=9 at the same time as >=5.5 in order to define "msie" object tag. Or wholly rework the browser detection routine in Jmol.js --which I think it's not the time to do. I haven't checked carefully, but on first inspection I got the feeling that the new JmolApplet.js and JmolCore.js are using the same routine. On 5 Jun 2012 at 13:31, Robert Hanson wrote: > > Ah, yes. I see. Well, MSIE 9.0 reports navigator.userAgent to be "Mozilla", so that takes care of > that! |
From: Robert H. <ha...@st...> - 2012-06-05 21:09:52
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JmolCore.js uses a completely different method and definitely tests for Mozilla first. That's something we could change, but I like it that way, and right now I'm not planning to do any changes at all to Jmol.js and do not plan to adapt Jmol.js further. Unless you find that pages loaded using MSIE are broken with Jmol.js, I advise not changing it. We should probably try to track down some older versions of MSIE -- this gets hard to do! -- and see that http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/JmolPopup2.htm works (probably the best test). Bob On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Angel Herráez <ang...@ua...> wrote: > Sorry to be a pest, but no. > > Jmol.js at least tests for MSIE before testing for Mozilla. > > See it at http://jmol.sourceforge.net/browsercheck/ > > Also, because of testing for "compatible" in the UA, even if we check > "mozilla" first it will still be classified as IE. > > I think we need to check IE version <=9 at the same time as >=5.5 in order > to > define "msie" object tag. > Or wholly rework the browser detection routine in Jmol.js --which I think > it's > not the time to do. > > I haven't checked carefully, but on first inspection I got the feeling > that the > new JmolApplet.js and JmolCore.js are using the same routine. > > > On 5 Jun 2012 at 13:31, Robert Hanson wrote: > > > > Ah, yes. I see. Well, MSIE 9.0 reports navigator.userAgent to be > "Mozilla", so that takes care of > > that! > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Live Security Virtual Conference > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and > threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions > will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware > threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ > _______________________________________________ > Jmol-developers mailing list > Jmo...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-developers > -- Robert M. Hanson Larson-Anderson Professor of Chemistry Chair, Chemistry Department St. Olaf College Northfield, MN http://www.stolaf.edu/people/hansonr If nature does not answer first what we want, it is better to take what answer we get. -- Josiah Willard Gibbs, Lecture XXX, Monday, February 5, 1900 |