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From: mike d. <md...@st...> - 2000-07-30 16:36:29
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hello fine folks- i figure i've been avoiding it long enough, seeing that it's been two months since i've said anything about jDiff publically, so it's time for me to speak up. as is well evidenced by the lack of any substantial activity in months, i am declaring my interest in working on jDiff dead. to be honest, it was probably immature and inappropriate for me to try to "take charge" of the project in the first place, since i had never found much use for these sorts of utilities previously and had no particular personal interest motivating me to work on it. on the other hand, i did do a fair amount of work on it and pulled together something that i'd consider at least halfway decent, which is more than anyone else did. i should hope i didn't scare anyone away from working on such a project by my taking up the task (if half-heartedly), but that doesn't seem to me to have been the case. to be frank, the root cause of my move to finally make this decision definitively is that i don't want to start any new work in Java as it currently stands. at least not on a Swing application. as far as i can see, there will be no way of running a Swing application using only free software in the near future. possibly within a year, maybe two (of course, i'd love to be proved wrong by someone doing it tomorrow, but i doubt it will happen any time soon). more than that, i just don't like Java that much. it's cool and has its place, but i would like to be writing maybe hundreds of lines of Java, not thousands. i like jEdit and my involvement in the jEdit community, so i doubt that i will be extricating myself from the suffocating grip of proprietary software before there is a viable free alternative. all i have to say on the matter is "Fuck Sun" for making it impossible for me to spend my time writing javax.swing for Classpath, just because their crappy docs led me to peek naively at their even scarier code. i don't know what to do with the project. i'm aware of a couple of alternatives: 1. someone with the requisite skills who already knows about jDiff is looking for a project. they like jDiff. Voila! the project is alive again. 2. http://unmaintained.sourceforge.net/ - for all i know, someone already submitted it behind my back. who knows? i would rather not do this, but i will if no one is interested. i am open to suggestions. -md |
From: Slava P. <sp...@gj...> - 2000-07-31 07:26:15
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I am posting this to jEdit-users as well... mike dillon wrote: > to be frank, the root cause of my move to finally make this decision > definitively is that i don't want to start any new work in Java as it currently > stands. at least not on a Swing application. as far as i can see, there will be > no way of running a Swing application using only free software in the near > future. possibly within a year, maybe two (of course, i'd love to be proved > wrong by someone doing it tomorrow, but i doubt it will happen any time soon). > more than that, i just don't like Java that much. it's cool and has its place, > but i would like to be writing maybe hundreds of lines of Java, not thousands. Just because there is no free version of Swing doesn't mean that one shouldn't develop for it! Look at Windows; it ain't free, but there is a lot of software for it. Politics and code should be kept separate. > i like jEdit and my involvement in the jEdit community, so i doubt that i will > be extricating myself from the suffocating grip of proprietary software before > there is a viable free alternative. all i have to say on the matter is "Fuck > Sun" for making it impossible for me to spend my time writing javax.swing for > Classpath, just because their crappy docs led me to peek naively at their even > scarier code. Please don't abandon plugin central. As I've said, Sun may be clueless, but that doesn't mean we can't write great apps in Java. So what if there is no javax.swing in classpath? Although I would chose a free version over a proprietary one anyday, most users don't care. All they want is usable apps. > i don't know what to do with the project. i'm aware of a couple of > alternatives: > > 1. someone with the requisite skills who already knows about jDiff is looking > for a project. they like jDiff. Voila! the project is alive again. > > 2. http://unmaintained.sourceforge.net/ - for all i know, someone already > submitted it behind my back. who knows? i would rather not do this, but i > will if no one is interested. > > i am open to suggestions. Turn it into a jEdit plugin, chuck it into the CVS, and someone will surely take over :-) Slava |
From: mike d. <md...@st...> - 2000-07-31 14:52:42
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On Mon, 31 Jul 2000, Slava Pestov wrote: > Please don't abandon plugin central. As I've said, Sun may be clueless, > but that doesn't mean we can't write great apps in Java. So what if > there is no javax.swing in classpath? Although I would chose a free > version over a proprietary one anyday, most users don't care. All they > want is usable apps. oh no, that's not waht i'm saying at all. i'm saying that the importance of jEdit is enough to me to outweigh other considerations, but that my desire to work with Java stuff doesn't extend beyond there. i had no thought of abandoning Plugin Central, or any of my jEdit plugins. -md |
From: mike d. <md...@st...> - 2000-07-31 14:57:59
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On Mon, 31 Jul 2000, Slava Pestov wrote: > Just because there is no free version of Swing doesn't mean that one > shouldn't develop for it! Look at Windows; it ain't free, but there > is a lot of software for it. Politics and code should be kept separate. i'm sorry, but it's difficult. whenever i find myself working on Swing code, i inevitably think of how i'd rather just fix the bug in Swing, or work on reimplementing Swing itself. i don't like that i can't do so except to the sole benefit of Sun's "stewardship". -md |
From: Matthew P. <mr...@sa...> - 2000-07-31 15:09:44
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mike dillon wrote: > On Mon, 31 Jul 2000, Slava Pestov wrote: > > Just because there is no free version of Swing doesn't mean that one > > shouldn't develop for it! Look at Windows; it ain't free, but there > > is a lot of software for it. Politics and code should be kept separate. > > i'm sorry, but it's difficult. whenever i find myself working on Swing code, i > inevitably think of how i'd rather just fix the bug in Swing, or work on > reimplementing Swing itself. i don't like that i can't do so except to the sole > benefit of Sun's "stewardship". <rant> I find Java a very productive language to program in, and I end up with programs that are very robust compared to c++/perl, but I do wish that I could fix obvious bugs in the standard libraries without selling my soul, or waiting for 6+ months for Sun to get arround to it. I understand their wish to control the APIs for the core, but do they realy not trust anybody else to implement/fix them? </rant> > > > -md > > -- > ----------------------------------------------- > jEdit Users' List > jEd...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/jedit-users -- Joon: You're out of your tree Sam: It wasn't my tree (Benny & Joon) |
From: Manfred U. <Uss...@ic...> - 2000-08-11 21:26:43
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On Mon, 31 Jul 2000 17:24:55 +1000, Slava Pestov wrote: >I am posting this to jEdit-users as well... > >mike dillon wrote: <..> > >> i don't know what to do with the project. i'm aware of a couple of >> alternatives: >> >> 1. someone with the requisite skills who already knows about jDiff is looking >> for a project. they like jDiff. Voila! the project is alive again. >> >> 2. http://unmaintained.sourceforge.net/ - for all i know, someone already >> submitted it behind my back. who knows? i would rather not do this, but i >> will if no one is interested. >> >> i am open to suggestions. > >Turn it into a jEdit plugin, chuck it into the CVS, and someone will >surely take over :-) I wonder why nobody mentioned it? André Kaplan already created JDiff Plugin, a plugin based on jDiff. It can compare two jEdit buffers or two files and has also a limited directory compare function. Manfred -- Manfred Usselmann uss...@ic... -------------------------------------------------- I C G Informationstechnologie Consulting GmbH Bahnstr. 7, D-65835 Liederbach / Ts. Tel. +49 69 333 623, Fax +49 69 306 845 -------------------------------------------------- http://www.icg-online.de -------------------------------------------------- |