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From: Manfred U. <Uss...@ic...> - 2000-08-11 21:26:43
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On Mon, 31 Jul 2000 17:24:55 +1000, Slava Pestov wrote: >I am posting this to jEdit-users as well... > >mike dillon wrote: <..> > >> i don't know what to do with the project. i'm aware of a couple of >> alternatives: >> >> 1. someone with the requisite skills who already knows about jDiff is looking >> for a project. they like jDiff. Voila! the project is alive again. >> >> 2. http://unmaintained.sourceforge.net/ - for all i know, someone already >> submitted it behind my back. who knows? i would rather not do this, but i >> will if no one is interested. >> >> i am open to suggestions. > >Turn it into a jEdit plugin, chuck it into the CVS, and someone will >surely take over :-) I wonder why nobody mentioned it? André Kaplan already created JDiff Plugin, a plugin based on jDiff. It can compare two jEdit buffers or two files and has also a limited directory compare function. Manfred -- Manfred Usselmann uss...@ic... -------------------------------------------------- I C G Informationstechnologie Consulting GmbH Bahnstr. 7, D-65835 Liederbach / Ts. Tel. +49 69 333 623, Fax +49 69 306 845 -------------------------------------------------- http://www.icg-online.de -------------------------------------------------- |
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From: Matthew P. <mr...@sa...> - 2000-07-31 15:09:44
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mike dillon wrote: > On Mon, 31 Jul 2000, Slava Pestov wrote: > > Just because there is no free version of Swing doesn't mean that one > > shouldn't develop for it! Look at Windows; it ain't free, but there > > is a lot of software for it. Politics and code should be kept separate. > > i'm sorry, but it's difficult. whenever i find myself working on Swing code, i > inevitably think of how i'd rather just fix the bug in Swing, or work on > reimplementing Swing itself. i don't like that i can't do so except to the sole > benefit of Sun's "stewardship". <rant> I find Java a very productive language to program in, and I end up with programs that are very robust compared to c++/perl, but I do wish that I could fix obvious bugs in the standard libraries without selling my soul, or waiting for 6+ months for Sun to get arround to it. I understand their wish to control the APIs for the core, but do they realy not trust anybody else to implement/fix them? </rant> > > > -md > > -- > ----------------------------------------------- > jEdit Users' List > jEd...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/jedit-users -- Joon: You're out of your tree Sam: It wasn't my tree (Benny & Joon) |
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From: mike d. <md...@st...> - 2000-07-31 14:57:59
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On Mon, 31 Jul 2000, Slava Pestov wrote: > Just because there is no free version of Swing doesn't mean that one > shouldn't develop for it! Look at Windows; it ain't free, but there > is a lot of software for it. Politics and code should be kept separate. i'm sorry, but it's difficult. whenever i find myself working on Swing code, i inevitably think of how i'd rather just fix the bug in Swing, or work on reimplementing Swing itself. i don't like that i can't do so except to the sole benefit of Sun's "stewardship". -md |
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From: mike d. <md...@st...> - 2000-07-31 14:52:42
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On Mon, 31 Jul 2000, Slava Pestov wrote: > Please don't abandon plugin central. As I've said, Sun may be clueless, > but that doesn't mean we can't write great apps in Java. So what if > there is no javax.swing in classpath? Although I would chose a free > version over a proprietary one anyday, most users don't care. All they > want is usable apps. oh no, that's not waht i'm saying at all. i'm saying that the importance of jEdit is enough to me to outweigh other considerations, but that my desire to work with Java stuff doesn't extend beyond there. i had no thought of abandoning Plugin Central, or any of my jEdit plugins. -md |
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From: Slava P. <sp...@gj...> - 2000-07-31 07:26:15
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I am posting this to jEdit-users as well... mike dillon wrote: > to be frank, the root cause of my move to finally make this decision > definitively is that i don't want to start any new work in Java as it currently > stands. at least not on a Swing application. as far as i can see, there will be > no way of running a Swing application using only free software in the near > future. possibly within a year, maybe two (of course, i'd love to be proved > wrong by someone doing it tomorrow, but i doubt it will happen any time soon). > more than that, i just don't like Java that much. it's cool and has its place, > but i would like to be writing maybe hundreds of lines of Java, not thousands. Just because there is no free version of Swing doesn't mean that one shouldn't develop for it! Look at Windows; it ain't free, but there is a lot of software for it. Politics and code should be kept separate. > i like jEdit and my involvement in the jEdit community, so i doubt that i will > be extricating myself from the suffocating grip of proprietary software before > there is a viable free alternative. all i have to say on the matter is "Fuck > Sun" for making it impossible for me to spend my time writing javax.swing for > Classpath, just because their crappy docs led me to peek naively at their even > scarier code. Please don't abandon plugin central. As I've said, Sun may be clueless, but that doesn't mean we can't write great apps in Java. So what if there is no javax.swing in classpath? Although I would chose a free version over a proprietary one anyday, most users don't care. All they want is usable apps. > i don't know what to do with the project. i'm aware of a couple of > alternatives: > > 1. someone with the requisite skills who already knows about jDiff is looking > for a project. they like jDiff. Voila! the project is alive again. > > 2. http://unmaintained.sourceforge.net/ - for all i know, someone already > submitted it behind my back. who knows? i would rather not do this, but i > will if no one is interested. > > i am open to suggestions. Turn it into a jEdit plugin, chuck it into the CVS, and someone will surely take over :-) Slava |
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From: mike d. <md...@st...> - 2000-07-30 16:36:29
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hello fine folks- i figure i've been avoiding it long enough, seeing that it's been two months since i've said anything about jDiff publically, so it's time for me to speak up. as is well evidenced by the lack of any substantial activity in months, i am declaring my interest in working on jDiff dead. to be honest, it was probably immature and inappropriate for me to try to "take charge" of the project in the first place, since i had never found much use for these sorts of utilities previously and had no particular personal interest motivating me to work on it. on the other hand, i did do a fair amount of work on it and pulled together something that i'd consider at least halfway decent, which is more than anyone else did. i should hope i didn't scare anyone away from working on such a project by my taking up the task (if half-heartedly), but that doesn't seem to me to have been the case. to be frank, the root cause of my move to finally make this decision definitively is that i don't want to start any new work in Java as it currently stands. at least not on a Swing application. as far as i can see, there will be no way of running a Swing application using only free software in the near future. possibly within a year, maybe two (of course, i'd love to be proved wrong by someone doing it tomorrow, but i doubt it will happen any time soon). more than that, i just don't like Java that much. it's cool and has its place, but i would like to be writing maybe hundreds of lines of Java, not thousands. i like jEdit and my involvement in the jEdit community, so i doubt that i will be extricating myself from the suffocating grip of proprietary software before there is a viable free alternative. all i have to say on the matter is "Fuck Sun" for making it impossible for me to spend my time writing javax.swing for Classpath, just because their crappy docs led me to peek naively at their even scarier code. i don't know what to do with the project. i'm aware of a couple of alternatives: 1. someone with the requisite skills who already knows about jDiff is looking for a project. they like jDiff. Voila! the project is alive again. 2. http://unmaintained.sourceforge.net/ - for all i know, someone already submitted it behind my back. who knows? i would rather not do this, but i will if no one is interested. i am open to suggestions. -md |
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From: mike d. <md...@st...> - 2000-05-29 03:22:26
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On Sun, 28 May 2000, Manfred Usselmann wrote: > I haven't heard anything about jDiff for a while. On the project home > page I find "JDiff is temporarily on hold...". Since I was looking > forward to a nice diff utility I wonder if the development will > continue? well, to be honest, i haven't done any work on jDiff for a while. as it stands, the main reason for this is that all i have to do is type 'diff -u file1 file2 > file.diff ; jedit file.diff' to get a diff utility that is adequate for my purposes. actually, i usually don't even bother with using an editor for highlighting, since i can find and hihglight changed lines easily enough in less(1) with a simple regular expression. i can't say what is needed to spur jDiff development. i'm going to spend a few hours looking at what i've got here and try to figure things out. sorry i can't say anything more useful. -md |
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From: Manfred U. <Uss...@ic...> - 2000-05-28 19:08:44
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Hi, I haven't heard anything about jDiff for a while. On the project home page I find "JDiff is temporarily on hold...". Since I was looking forward to a nice diff utility I wonder if the development will continue? Cheers, Manfred -- Manfred Usselmann uss...@ic... -------------------------------------------------- I C G Informationstechnologie Consulting GmbH Bahnstr. 7, D-65835 Liederbach / Ts. Tel. +49 69 333 623, Fax +49 69 306 845 -------------------------------------------------- http://www.icg-online.de -------------------------------------------------- |
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From: mike d. <md...@st...> - 2000-03-05 00:37:26
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On Sun, 5 Mar 2000, Slava Pestov wrote: > The new JDiff sounds really cool. I'm looking forward to the CVS code > release. thanks. right now, i'm working on the overview bar. once i get that done, i need to add a menu and some actions for loading files (it's command line only now). at that point it will go into the CVS. > As for the plugin, if you add me to the 'jdiff' project on SF, I will > do it. OK. you've been added. we can discuss the details when JDiff's API becomes a little more stable. -md |
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From: mike d. <md...@st...> - 2000-03-04 20:14:55
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hi everyone- some of you may remember JDiff, the GPL'd visual file comparison utility that i was given charge of late last year. well, i don't know how many of you tried the first GPL'd release of JDiff (2.99), but i would imagine that most of you probably shared my opinion that it sucked pretty badly. if any of you looked at the code, you quite possibly saw some of the reason why. i have spent the last couple months trying to do something useful with the CSFactory code, but just recently, i gave up on it as unsalvagable and decided to cleanly reimplement the diff algorithm in Java myself. i re-read the papers describing the algorithm (multiple times), and was gearing up for a lot of work coding and debugging, when by some miracle, i was able to find a GPL'd translation of GNU diff 1.15 to Java by a guy named Stuart Gathman. it was fast, clean, acceptably efficient, and, most importantly, maintainable. i had already independently developed the custom side-by-side Swing text widget to the point where it was nearly usable, so all i needed was a model. with Stuart's code i was able to hack up a decent preliminary model in a matter of hours. after that, it was not much work to link up the view and the model. a screenshot at http://jdiff.sourceforge.net/ shows the fruits of my preliminary efforts with a diff of jEdit.java from 2.2pre9 and 2.3pre7. i'd like anyone who is interested in JDiff updates to subscribe to one of the two JDiff mailing lists, jdiff-users or jdiff-devel. for the time being, i think the devel group is probably going to be the only active list, since there aren't really any "users" yet. information on the JDiff mailing lists is available at http://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=1877. my tentative plans for JDiff is to import the first code into the SourceForge CVS today or tomorrow and to release a pre1 version some time next week (or possibly the following week). once i have a decent foundation, i'll work on packaging JDiff into a jEdit plugin (i'd be happy to let someone else handle that). here's to the future of visual file comparison for everyone. -md |
