RE: [JBoss-user] 2 WEEKS EVICTION NOTICE

[Micheal J <ope...@vi...>]

> huh ...
>
> I belive critisism is good when *and only when* a sugested solution folows
> ... as I se it those who need it, should write it ... the mail service
> module ... do not jive support it now ? ...

You've got this the wrong way round. The mailing list is here now. It works
and it's users really like it. The web forum has it's advantages but only in
addition to the mailing list. Nit in place of it as the messages here prove.

> To replicate the web forum to a maillist ... one way would be to have all
> new postings go to the web forum - and then the web forum would resend to
> SMTP ... for a easy sync ? ...

I suspect it would have to be:
- web forum is a user on the list too
- all posted messages on web forum are posted to list too
- all messages received from list by forum (that it did not send) are added
to forum (maintaining thread could be fun)

I am against having the web forum be the mailing list server (i.e. the list
is handled by a list server component of the web forum system) until it has
been proven for a long while. The SourceForge infrastructure is very proven
and we should use that until we have a proven alternative.

In the meantine, we can have a "web forum" list running on the mailing list
management component of the web forum (if such a thing exists) to see how
well it performs.


Cheers,

Micheal



>
> /peter
>
>
> on 1-07-13 10.22, Jason Dillon at ja...@bo... wrote:
>
> > Ouch.
> >
> > --jason
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 bc...@pv... wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 03:41:12AM +0200, Peter Fagerlund wrote:
> >>> Ahhh ... pushing forward is hard ... change ... the pain of
> growing ...
> >>> cognisance dissonance - from having to change a GUI ... ;-)
> ... I to feel
> >>> uncomfortable but recognise it is me - having to adapt really
> ... Just have
> >>> hourly/daily/monthly *text* "tome's" downloadable for those
> who like to read
> >>> and grep offline ... could be one simple solution ...
> >>
> >> Actually, when it comes to user interfaces, moving to an exclusively
> >> web based solution is a significant step backwards. With mail, the
> >> content and the presentation are very firmly separate. As a user, I am
> >> only bound by the content and I can use whatever presentation I
> >> like. I have used my mail reader for years and have become very
> >> comfortable with it. This is true for many others. If I become unhappy
> >> with the way my mail is presented, I can get _any_ other mail reader
> >> that supports the content format (SMTP) and use that in stead.
> >>
> >> The exclusively web based solution integrates both content and
> >> presentation into one. I have to be satisfied with the way the web
> >> solution chooses to present the content to me and there is no way I
> >> can change this to fit myself. Not to mention that I have to be happy
> >> with the excessively crappy web forms text editor when composing
> >> messages.
> >>
> >> It represents a step backwards in terms of usability, apparantly in
> >> order to pave the way for a step forwards in implementation (i.e., use
> >> web/jboss/whatnot). I don't like it when the usability of a service is
> >> sacrificed in favour of some behind-the-scenes implementation details
> >> that I couldn't care less about (as a user).
> >>
> >> But that's just me - a picky end user.
> >>
> >> As a developer, I find the jboss/jetty/web forum thing very
> >> interesting. But I was very disappointed to learn that it won't
> >> support SMTP as this limitation makes it largely useless for anything
> >> halfway serious. In my opinion.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> Bent D
> >>
> >
> >
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