Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] SF.net SVN: jazzplusplus:[620] web/htdocs/buildingtex2rtf/index.php

[D.B. M. <db...@ho...>]

> To: jazzplusplus-devel
> Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 12:31:23 -0800
> From: kevinc
> Subject: Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] SF.net SVN: jazzplusplus:[620]	web/htdocs/buildingtex2rtf/index.php
> 
> 
> On 9 November 2008 at 18:48, "D.B. Moore" <db...@ho...> wrote:
> 
> > I know I'm being painful asking this .... this being the case,
> > then why bother invoking su for the wx build to install it
> > in /usr/local ? That is to say, why don't we just install
> > wx in the user's $HOME instead so that all 3 packages don't
> > need root_priv at all? I'm only thinking of users who might
> > not like having to work this out...(I think my mind mumbling
> > 'consistent approach' or such and similar... <grin>)....I just
> > linked tex2rtf into the wx289/bin path because I'm pathetically
> > lazy. Shoot me if I'm getting annoying...
> 
> I package a lot of things, and nearly all of them default to /usr/local
> for the default prefix; some default to /usr.  Installing as root is 
> pretty standard.  I'd say that anyone who could build jazz++ and the 
> prerequisites would likely be able to alter the $PREFIX if they 
> wanted to.  I'll advocate for /usr/local.  --prefix=$HOME isn't too 
> hard to do, if desired.
> 
> That's my $0.02.
> 
> Thanks...
> --
> Kevin

Oh yes, I agree.....all I'm saying is, the user becomes root to install the
wx build anyway, so why not for tex2rtf as well? The way the tex2rtf build
is presented, the 'unknowledgeable user' will  -need-  to alter their PATH
in ~/.bash_profile anyhow before jazz will actually build, and again for
the aforesaid 'unknowledgeable user' , they made need a pointer to this
if they don't actually know what's going wrong. As it stands now, the door
is left wide open to a swag of  'jazz does not compile' emails, because,
technically speaking, the build instructions are wrong. I do realize these
emails are all hypothetical, what I'm talking about in reality does not 
exist -- the situation exists that so called 'unknowledgeable users' might
happen along here, be willing to give it a try but in the same moment be
totally reliant on following the instructions to-the-letter (c&p), and for all
I know these people might not speak english as a first language or at all.
 
Remember, I'm the one who wrote up the line in the web-docs which says
that even unknowledgeable users should be able to build jazz from svn
with as little effort as cutting&pasting the instructions on the web-site
straight into their shells...this issue with tex2rtf actually breaks that premise.
Right now, what I've cited is a lie...and I know it...I'm resting uneasy. My
primary concern is accuracy of content, nothing more. Yes, people that
are capable of building jazz presently can alter their path 'if they wanted
to' -- the point really is that they **have** to, or the jazz build will fail. 

Myself...I really don't care at all - I will see an omission like this and quick 
as blink sort it out forthwith. That said, I will report it in the guise of this
hypothetical 'unknowledgeable user', as an example of foresight. Granted,
there might be less than a dozen people working with the current jazz++
right now.....right now, anyone who comes along and follows the online
instructions, is headed for disappointment -- sometimes, you only get one
shot at impressing users....'they can't even get the build instructions right'.

That's what I'm saying, looking in my mirror.  Eventually, {release), tex2rtf
has to go somewhere -- putting it in the same location as the jazz binary
for the moment is fine by me -- this being the case, perhaps the web-docs
should include lines somewhere (before build jazz), to add ;

export PATH=$HOME/Jazz++/TestInstall:$PATH

to the user's  ~/.bash_profile 

Then this all goes away and the given instructions work 'out of the box'
again. In theory, this should never be a problem until {release}, at which
time this path addition would conflict with a system installed jazz in
/usr or /usr/local and thus would need be removed. It's a lot nicer to be
able to just type  'jazz'  at the prompt and get results too....imho.

Regards,

Donald B


PS: Btw, I did hotbot search (yahoo engine) for the word   tex2rtf   and guess 
what came up as the topmost return? Free exposure....






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