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Re: [Jazzplusplus-user] Jazzplusplus-user Digest, Vol 10, Issue 3
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From: Paul N. <boy...@ya...> - 2008-05-12 21:39:45
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I have ubuntu system and would love helping somehow. I also have some webbing ability if that would help. But somehow these things keep getting blocked I think. jaz...@li... wrote: Send Jazzplusplus-user mailing list submissions to jaz...@li... To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jazzplusplus-user or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to jaz...@li... You can reach the person managing the list at jaz...@li... When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Jazzplusplus-user digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Brief intro to the lists (D.B. Moore) 2. Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] online help build system update (D.B. Moore) 3. Re: Website documentation updates (Kevin Cosgrove) 4. Re: Website documentation updates (Kevin Cosgrove) 5. Re: Website documentation updates (Kevin Cosgrove) 6. Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Brief intro to the lists (Kevin Cosgrove) 7. Re: Website documentation updates (Philippe CROGIEZ) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 02:50:48 +0000 From: "D.B. Moore" Subject: [Jazzplusplus-user] Brief intro to the lists To: Cc: "jaz...@li..." Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" G'day all, This is merely a short(?) email letting everyone know a little about myself, how I ended up here, and what I hope to accomplish in my time here. In case you missed it, I am an Australian. I am actually a qualified motor-mechanic, have tickets in quality assurance and control operations, and I like to study human sociology in my spare time. I've also worked in electronics R&D and production arenas. I am '50-something' years old (; It would be in the order of 10years or so ago that I first became interested in the jazz++ application, and about that time I also joined jazzplusplus-user mailing list. Myself being a linux user, the building of jazz++ all that time ago was...'difficult' to say the least. I was initially going to ask list questions about this very difficultly...right about the the time project itself was in decline. As Kevin C. and others will attest, the jazzplusplus-user list has been a very quiet place, for a rather long time. When Pete's request for power-users to test out new builds hit the list, I was actually in the throws of moving house...so I was a bit late getting onto that testing. However, I did get around to it, and I might say that I was both amazed and enthused to discover that everything compiled correctly. I sent an email to Pete recounting that very experience, along with a small critique of website instructions given to achieve this. Since then, Pete and myself have had a detailed private email discussion about the website content, documentation in general, and right about the time I thought 'can I help?' , Pete had a very similar notion...'would you like to help?'....and here I am! We have of course moved that private discussion onto the lists as we get things co-ordinated between us. Pete was hoping that I join the developers list as well as the users list, and I have now made that so. I will primarily be working on documentation generation & proofing tasks. If anyone has any comments or requests about this area of the project, feel free to raise a hand -- comments and critiques both good and bad very welcome. I can also do any (linux..) testing required on ix86 in both 32 and 64 bit flavors, using Debian 4.0 installations. I can also test on this station, a non-mainstream linux 64bit x86 with no 32bit-compat system. In a happy future where a sanctioned release of jazz++ becomes available, I could produce binary packages for Debian. Okay...what do I hope to accomplish in my time here? First off the rank, is to straighten and correct the jazz++ website texts. The aim is for correctness and clarity within the website. I believe this task is almost complete. Secondly...and as expounded to Pete in one of our private emails, users of jazz++ on the Windows platform have really got it easy. That is to say, no matter what soundcard hardware these systems have fitted, the user will have a MIDI 'softsynth' as part of that system makeup. Even the most inexperienced Windows user will have little trouble downloading and installing jazz++, and having it create sound first up 'out of the box' as it were. The linux experience is not so straight forward....in fact, getting and compiling jazz++ from svn is actually the -easy- part now. Getting it to actually make any sound, is another matter again, and unless the user has a hardware-based MIDI/synth soundcard (or 'real' MIDI hardware), then they will have to setup their own 'softsynth' implementation before they can hear the replay of.... ..ie; 'jazz.mid' (or any other MIDI track for that matter). I am of the belief that normal, average and inexperienced users of linux have no idea about such things - they expect their linux systems to have a builtin MIDI 'softsynth' just like a Windows system has. I am also of the belief that the lack of this 'native' MIDI 'softsynth' support in linux, has in some way been participle to jazz++ (and other linux/MIDI projects) falling by the wayside. Does anyone else share this belief? Ergo, I plan to create some documentation for inclusion on the jazz++ website, to explain these things to potential users who might not know about such things. I plan to write a set of instructions that hopefully enables such inexperienced/casual users of linux to build, install and setup their own 'softsynth' implementation as quickly and simply as possible. My aim here is to make the linux experience with jazz++ as closely akin to the Windows experience as possible -- the linux path might require a bit more work, but I want that work as easy as possible for (inexperienced) linux users to complete successfully. Beyond that, I want to test and document jazz++'s setup and interoperability with -other- linux MIDI based applications. Beyond that...(??)...who knows, but I'm always open to suggestions!! Finally, I wish to thank those jazzplusplus-user list members who responded to my call for a listening head-count -- it's comforting to know I'm not totally alone on that list!! Kind regards to all, Donald B _________________________________________________________________ Never miss another e-mail with Hotmail on your mobile. http://www.livelife.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=343869 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 02:16:34 +0000 From: "D.B. Moore" Subject: Re: [Jazzplusplus-user] [jazzplusplus-devel] online help build system update To: Cc: "jaz...@li..." Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Greetings, Pete -- I've posted this reply to jazzplusplus-user as well, just to help remove any confusion generated there. ---------------------------------------- > Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 13:49:37 -0700 > PS>> You will need certain tools available to make this > PS>> work. For the HTML help you will need the tex2rtf > PS>> code that is provided with wxWidgets. > > DM> I did forget to mention that 'tex2rtf' doesn't > DM> seem to get built here as part of the wx-2.8.7 > DM> build instructions. I have no idea if that's an > DM> expected result (it may well be).... > > If you don't have tex2rtf, how did you build the HTML help? > > tex2rtf will probably be the topic of a separate thread, but it can be > generated from the wxWidgets distribution. Unfortunately, due to the > way wxWidgets is built for Jazz++, there are some potential problems. > Sorry, I should have been a bit clearer about this. Here's the detail ; In your previous posting about this, you signified that the 'tex2rtf' utility was distributed with the wxwidget tarball. My stock installation of wx is version 2.8.4, however 'tex2rtf' wasn't in $PATH. I'd only just updated wx a week or so ago, so I still had the source/build tree handy. Checking that was when I discovered 'tex'2rtf' hadn't been built (in my 2.8.4 wx tree) - nor had it been built in the non-stock wx-2.8.7 build used for jazz++ ; apparently the cause is common. I chose to sort this on my *stock* wx installation (to make tex2rtf available systemwide, not just for jazz++). The full path to tex2rtf in the wx source tree is -- wxGTK-2.8.4/utils/tex2rtf/ Changing to that directory, issuing make && make install was how I ended up with a working tex2rtf. Strangely, it had all been previously configured, all the Makefiles were present, but for whatever reason the build process skips right over the utils section and why is something I would need look closer at ....if you want me to that is. Let me know... > PS>> For PDF generation, you will need a LaTeX > PS>> installation and the pdflatex converter. > > DM> Using tetex under linux (which supplies the tool > DM> 'pdftex'), jazz.pdf generation also works fine. > DM> The tool 'pdftex' is also maintained separately > DM> (http://www.pdftex.org) and seems more current > DM> than the version shipping with tetex. > DM> > DM> Both versions work. > > Maybe I can check for existence of pdflatex of pdftex in the build system. > Yeah, I think you'll have to. AFAICT 'pdflatex' is not specific to linux - the equivalence is 'pdftex' to the best of my knowledge. It probably make sense to include a check in configure for both these tool sets (including tex2rtf), and like other projects I've seen issue a warning at the end of configure 'documentation will not be built - please install <> if you wish to build a local copy of the documentation' ....blabla... I should also point out, although the 'tetex' distribution does include it's own (working) version of 'pdftex', the variant downloaded from http://www.pdftex.org is meant to replace the one distributed in tetex. > PS>> Would you like me to send you the current PDF > PS>> file in a private email? > > DM> A kind offer, however I'm eager to checkout > DM> as much of source build process as is possible > DM> here - test, test and test again... > > PS>> Since you can build the HTML help using > PS>> "make html" feel free to start editing jazz.tex > PS>> and send me patches. Replacement screen shots > PS>> are welcome too. We may end up with different > PS>> sets of screen shots for each platform and I > PS>> can change the Makefile to build the docs for > PS>> different platforms. I'm going to make one > PS>> commit to jazz.tex before I go to bed, but > PS>> after that it's "open season" for you. > > DM> ....now, where did I put my hunting cap?... (; > > PS>> I would prefer many smaller patches than one > PS>> big patch, and please include a note > PS>> summarizing the changes you made. I'll use > PS>> this in commit message and give you credit. > PS>> The first change you should make is make > PS>> yourself a coauthor. I changed the original > PS>> author names because they have been out of > PS>> the picture for over 8 years. The commit > PS>> messages will look like... > PS>> > PS>> "Applied a patch provided by Donald B. Moore. > PS>> Your description here. > PS>> A description of anything I changed here." > > DM> All understood, I'll keep my submissions > DM> small and descriptive ... > > Thanks. > > PS>> I see you signed up for the > PS>> jazzplusplus-updates list. Excellent! > > DM> I try to please. > > DM> I just need to clarify something here -- when you say; > DM> > DM> 'in your svn working' > DM> > DM> I construe this as ; > DM> > DM> 'in your svn working directory' > DM> > DM> Is that correct? > > Yes. Sorry about the missing noun an the related confusion. I just > committed a fix for this one. You update your web source tree (i.e. > your svn web working directory) and svn will merge the changes with any > you have made. > > Pete > No problem...I guess that's what we're supposed to do though - confuse each other then clear up that confusion before the user audience finds themselves confused... I should have patches for the rest of the web docs sorted over the next few days. Regards, Donald B > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by the 2008 JavaOne(SM) Conference > Don't miss this year's exciting event. There's still time to save $100. > Use priority code J8TL2D2. > http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;198757673;13503038;p?http://java.sun.com/javaone > _______________________________________________ > jazzplusplus-devel mailing list > jaz...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jazzplusplus-devel _________________________________________________________________ Never miss another e-mail with Hotmail on your mobile. http://www.livelife.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=343869 ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 09:34:34 -0700 From: Kevin Cosgrove Subject: Re: [Jazzplusplus-user] Website documentation updates To: jaz...@li... Message-ID: <200...@jo...> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 10 May 2008 at 7:11, "D.B. Moore" wrote: > Many years ago, > it was just plain 'dbm' ...decibels per metre.... (-8 But, "dBm" is decibels with respect to 1 milliwatt (mW). Maybe that's why there's a smiley? Cheerio.... -- Kevin ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 09:36:28 -0700 From: Kevin Cosgrove Subject: Re: [Jazzplusplus-user] Website documentation updates To: jaz...@li... Message-ID: <200...@jo...> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks for starting to work on getting the doc's in good shape. I agree with trying to put a good foot forward for Linux, jazz++ and all. I have a MIDI hardware synth, if you eventually want me to test something. Cheers.... -- Kevin ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 09:39:10 -0700 From: Kevin Cosgrove Subject: Re: [Jazzplusplus-user] Website documentation updates To: jaz...@li... Message-ID: <200...@jo...> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 10 May 2008 at 9:31, Pete Stieber wrote: > DM> 4. The question about 'which linux distro do I use > DM> seems to have been left hanging somehow... > DM> I was fairly sure I answered that one. Not to worry... > DM> I've been personally building & using my own > DM> 'hand rolled' linux systems ever since I read > DM> 'The Bash to boot prompt howto' and concluding that > DM> (quote) "it looked like a fun thing to do". > DM> ...and that must've been nearly a decade ago - how > DM> time flies... > DM> > DM> There's also a couple of Debian 4.0 boxes here that > DM> I look after for other house members. I can rattle > DM> together deb packages in both 32 and 64 bit flavors > DM> if need be...whenever that time comes of course.... > > Kevin C. might want to comment on that. IIRC he was interested in > packaging and distribution; if I can ever get anything ready to distribute. I've been using Mandriva over here. I package everything for that. It's an RPM based distribution, which means that my packaging can be a great headstart for any other RPM based system, e.g. Red Hat & SuSE. Debian based systems are another story. I've never built any packages for those. Cheers.... -- Kevin ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 09:44:16 -0700 From: Kevin Cosgrove Subject: Re: [Jazzplusplus-user] [jazzplusplus-devel] Brief intro to the lists To: jaz...@li... Cc: "jaz...@li..." Message-ID: <200...@jo...> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 11 May 2008 at 2:50, "D.B. Moore" wrote: > It would be in the order of 10years or so ago that I first became > interested in the jazz++ application, and about that time I also > joined jazzplusplus-user mailing list. Myself being a linux user, > the building of jazz++ all that time ago was...'difficult' to say the > least. I was initially going to ask list questions about this very > difficultly...right about the the time project itself was in decline. I've been there. I think my jazz++ experience goes back to 4.0. I was building on a Red Hat 5.0 system back then. > As Kevin C. and others will attest, the jazzplusplus-user list > has been a very quiet place, for a rather long time. Yup. But, I don't want to miss any attempt to kick jazz++ back to life, so I lurk here waiting for messages. > Okay...what do I hope to accomplish in my time here? I like your agenda. Thanks.... -- Kevin ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 17:30:30 +0000 (GMT) From: Philippe CROGIEZ Subject: Re: [Jazzplusplus-user] Website documentation updates To: jaz...@li... Message-ID: <271...@we...> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" An HTML attachment was scrubbed... ------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. 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