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From: D.B. M. <db...@ho...> - 2008-05-10 05:19:54
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....Oops, forgot to CC this to the list... ---------------------------------------- > From: db...@ho... > To: pst...@ve... > Subject: RE: Website documentation updates > Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 05:13:27 +0000 > > Greetings, Alright, we're closer to some some semblance of synchronization now... Hello Kevin! Nice to know someone else -is- tuned in! > Pete wrote ; > > <> >> DM> interest to check jazzplusplus out, along >> DM> with some (realistic) estimation of when >> DM> userland type tarballs are expected to be >> DM> available.... >> >> That estimate will be tough for me to come up with. What do you think >> of this version... >> >> http://jazzplusplus.sourceforge.net/download/ >> > Yeah, the release time estimation consideration is always tough. Mind you, the actual value might change at any time, and could be updated when so. For example, 'now' that estimation might be 'before the end of 2009', but in 3months time it might be 'by the end of this year'....it's a mobile target. There's a small typo here and there on the download page, there's a few more likewise on other pages which I've caught on the 3rd pass. Rather than load you up with all these minor corrections, I'll ask first if these fixups will be better served by me having a working setup of whatever documentation generation process you prefer to use? I'll hold these little corrections in check until I hear back on that.... > > >> DM> ....and, if it were there, pointers to other >> DM> docs on the site of other software already >> DM> known to be working with devel versions >> DM> of jazzplusplus, screenshots -- >> >> Currently I have the screen shot page commented out. >> > Ah, okay...noted... > >> DM> I'll wait for your reply to this before >> DM> reposting ....oh, and if you'd rather this >> DM> private, that's fine too.... >> >> No. I prefer a public discussion to get others interested. >> > Agreed -- open discussion of such things on *this* list, gives every possible opportunity for the intended users of jazzplusplus to have some say in what happens next. > > >> DM> let me know, but like that the record >> DM> shows that there's some depth of thought >> DM> going into the revitalized jazzplusplus >> >> Exactly! :-) >> >> DM> fork... >> >> Keep in mind, this isn't a fork >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fork_(software_development) >> >> I'm just building on the work of others without splitting off. >> > ...oops! I'll make sure to get that right from now on.... > >> DM> even at this level. >> DM> >> DM> I'll do a 3rd pass over things in the interim. >> >> Great. Thanks. > Yep, as I mentioned above, 3rd pass revealed a few small oversights, but if the correcting/editting process is going to be streamlined by my using your preferred document generation method, then I would rather move to that method sooner than later. On the other hand, if you *do* want the current list of tiny textual fixups posted here, just let me know... > >> >> DM> ps: excuse my impoliteness, I didn't ask if >> DM> you wanted American, or British spelling, >> DM> sorry. You would have received Australian >> DM> spelling by default -- please advise which >> DM> english varient you prefer so I avoid >> DM> spelling 'bolour' with a 'k'.... >> >> American English please. Thanks for asking. >> > No problem,,,, Donald B _________________________________________________________________ Search for local singles online @ Lavalife - Click here http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Flavalife9%2Eninemsn%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fclickthru%2Fclickthru%2Eact%3Fid%3Dninemsn%26context%3Dan99%26locale%3Den%5FAU%26a%3D30290&_t=764581033&_r=email_taglines_Search_OCT07&_m=EXT |
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From: D.B. M. <db...@ho...> - 2008-05-10 07:12:02
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Greetings, Pete wrote; ---------------------------------------- > Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 23:08:55 -0700 > From: pst...@ve... > Subject: Re: Website documentation updates > To: db...@ho... > > DM = D.B. Moore > DM>> Greetings, > DM>> > DM>> Alright, we're closer to some some > DM>> semblance of synchronization now... > DM>> > DM>> Hello Kevin! Nice to know someone else -is- > DM>> tuned in! > > PS> It looks like I'm the only one getting a reply. > PS> This happened to my last message back to you as > PS> well. I didn't pay attention to the reply > PS> address when I sent my last reply. I have the > PS> mailing lists setup to "reply to list" by > PS> default. I'm not sure what went wrong :-( > PS> > PS> Can I post a reply to your last message on > PS> jazzplusplus-devel? > PS> > PS> Are you subscribed to that list? > > I went ahead and posted to jazzplusplus-devel. Hope that's OK. I need > to get some sleep, so I just sent the email without waiting for your reply. > > Hope to chat via the lists soon. > > Thanks again for all of the help. > > Pete > Ahh...I think I know what's happened here. To explain.... I am (have long time been) a member of jazzplusplus-user , however you spend most of your time on jazzplusplus-devel ....of which I am not a member. I figured...(see one of my previous prattlings)...that this website documentation discussion was more fodder for this list than it was relevant to the developers list. However, we're probably kidding ourselves if we can draw such a line - clearly the discussion content *will* overlap both lists' agendas from time to time...hell, it's already happened and we've only just drawn first breaths!! I'm assuming you're a member of both lists? All I can think of right now, goes something like this....you are one of the project leaders, and as such you will always retain right of veto in moderation of list(s) content. In many ways you are ideally placed to decide what content of one list, should find it's topical way onto another list for cross-discussion debate. Likewise, if I raise a discussion here and think it should be flagged for the devel list as well, I will make that abundantly clear to you and you can decide from there whether any 'cross pollination' takes place. Sound reasonable? Else, I could join the devel list as well...however that might neglect content here, or lead to (possibly disparate) duplication of threads on both lists. That would be confusing....(like it was on the posting above where I forgot to CC the list) Take it as read though, if you feel any of my postings here should be also read by devel-list members, just go ahead and forward to the devel-list as you see appropriate -- a CC to my email address at the time of you doing this would be enough to let me know what has happened and gives me a heads-up that some question/comments (about that content) might be headed my way. This works for me.. Whatever works for *you* is possibly more important - let me know. By the time you awake, we should be back in sync and on the same page. Regards, Donald B ps: Donald B or Donald M, either or is fine by me. Many years ago, it was just plain 'dbm' ...decibels per metre.... (-8 _________________________________________________________________ Are you paid what you're worth? Find out: SEEK Salary Centre http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fcareer%2Dresources%2Fsalary%2Dcentre%2F%3Ftracking%3Dsk%3Ahet%3Asc%3Anine%3A0%3Ahot%3Atext&_t=764565661&_r=OCT07_endtext_salary&_m=EXT |
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From: Pete S. <pst...@ve...> - 2008-05-10 15:53:01
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PS = Pete Stieber PS>>> Can I post a reply to your last message on PS>>> jazzplusplus-devel? PS>>> PS>>> Are you subscribed to that list? PS>> I went ahead and posted to jazzplusplus-devel. PS>> Hope that's OK. I need to get some sleep, so PS>> I just sent the email without waiting for your PS>> reply. PS>> PS>> Hope to chat via the lists soon. PS>> PS>> Thanks again for all of the help. DM = D.B. Moore DM> Ahh...I think I know what's happened here. DM> To explain.... DM> DM> I am (have long time been) a member of DM> jazzplusplus-user , however you spend most DM> of your time on jazzplusplus-devel ....of DM> which I am not a member. I figured...(see DM> one of my previous prattlings)...that this DM> website documentation discussion was more DM> fodder for this list than it was relevant DM> to the developers list. DM> DM> However, we're probably kidding ourselves if DM> we can draw such a line - clearly the discussion DM> content *will* overlap both lists' agendas from DM> time to time...hell, it's already happened and DM> we've only just drawn first breaths!! DM> DM> I'm assuming you're a member of both lists? Yes. And don't forget the Subversion updates list I recently created. Subversion sends an email to jazzplusplus-updates that contains a list of modified files and description of the changes made to the files. I'm subscribed to all of three of these lists. DM> All I can think of right now, goes something like DM> this....you are one of the project leaders, And the only "active" one at this point. Kevin C. has also been doing some Linux build testing. DM> and as such you will always retain right of veto DM> in moderation of list(s) content. In many ways DM> you are ideally placed to decide what content of DM> one list, should find it's topical way onto another DM> list for cross-discussion debate. Likewise, if I DM> raise a discussion here and think it should be DM> flagged for the devel list as well, I will make DM> that abundantly clear to you and you can decide from DM> there whether any 'cross pollination' takes place. DM> Sound reasonable? I believe that is what's going on. DM> Else, I could join the devel list as well...however DM> that might neglect content here, or lead to (possibly DM> disparate) duplication of threads on both lists. DM> That would be confusing....(like it was on the posting DM> above where I forgot to CC the list) This is just my opinion, but given the amount of effort you have already put into this, you should subscribe to the developers list regardless. That's where I'll discuss the details of the documentation build system, idiosyncrasies of the various ports,... and this information could be used as for the start of some documentation or identify the need for some documentation. DM> Take it as read though, if you feel any of my DM> postings here should be also read by devel-list DM> members, just go ahead and forward to the DM> devel-list as you see appropriate -- a CC to DM> my email address at the time of you doing this DM> would be enough to let me know what has DM> happened and gives me a heads-up that some DM> question/comments (about that content) might be DM> headed my way. This works for me.. I was hoping to get you to join that list and just ignore any email on the dev list you are not interested in. DM> By the time you awake, we should be back in DM> sync and on the same page. This was a good chance to advertise mailing lists ;-) DM> ps: Donald B or Donald M, either or is fine DM> by me. Many years ago, it was just plain 'dbm' DM> ...decibels per metre.... (-8 Don't forget I'm a EE, so that would be dBm, which is decibels referenced to one milliwatt ;-);-);-) Pete |
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From: D.B. M. <db...@ho...> - 2008-05-10 09:05:06
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Greetings,
Pete,
I've just come from reading your last posting on devel-list
This lot will hopefully get us up to date....
1. I'm posting this to jazzplusplus-user with CC to yourself.
If you already receive copies of jazzplusplus-user mail, let
me know and I'll drop the CC. This will keep threads alive here.
2. I'll track devel from the online archive -this will avoid list 'pollution'
3. A subversion repository of the documentation is certainly the way
to go -- it keeps efforts centered around a common toolset. I can then
keep my local tree synced and easily diff' out patches.
I'm supposing I should submit patches to yourself. The commit should
get noticed in jazzplusplus-devel to invite any input there. Once any
patches are approved and applied to the svn repo, I'll announce same
here in jazzplusplus-user, so folks know there's something new to
checkout (on the website or in the code), thusly inviting folks
to comment on this list as well.
Let me know the svn particulars once you get that end sorted,
and I'll then do the same here, sanity check it etc...and we all should
be happy.. Well...I hope so anyhow.
4. The question about 'which linux distro do I use' seems to have
been left hanging somehow...I was fairly sure I answered that one.
Not to worry....I've been personally building & using my own
'hand rolled' linux systems ever since I read 'The Bash to boot prompt
howto' and concluding that (quote) "it looked like a fun thing to do".
...and that must've been nearly a decade ago - how time flies...
There's also a couple of Debian 4.0 boxes here that I look after for
other house members. I can rattle together deb packages in both
32 and 64 bit flavors if need be...whenever that time comes of
course....
Regards,
Donald B.
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From: Pete S. <pst...@ve...> - 2008-05-10 16:31:42
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DM = DM DM> I've just come from reading your last DM> posting on devel-list DM> DM> This lot will hopefully get us up to date.... DM> DM> 1. I'm posting this to jazzplusplus-user DM> with CC to yourself. If you already receive DM> copies of jazzplusplus-user mail, let me know DM> and I'll drop the CC. This will keep threads DM> alive here. I subscribe to, and manage, the three Jazz++ mailing lists, so you can drop the CC. It wasn't true in this email, but also make sure you remove raw email addresses from your replies. It feeds tjhe spam harvesters. The Cygwin site maintains a list of acronyms they use in email posting, and in this case PCYMTNQREAIYR (http://cygwin.com/acronyms/#PCYMTNQREAIYR) applies ;-) DM> 2. I'll track devel from the online archive -this DM> will avoid list 'pollution' DM> DM> 3. A subversion repository of the documentation DM> is certainly the way to go -- it keeps efforts DM> centered around a common toolset. I can then DM> keep my local tree synced and easily diff' out DM> patches. I just put the web content in the Jazz++ svn repository. The URL is https://jazzplusplus.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/jazzplusplus/web Have at it ;-) DM> I'm supposing I should submit patches to yourself. Yes. That's find for now. Once the project grows, or if you have many patches, the source forge patch manager for Jazz++ http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?atid=637414&group_id=104252&func=browse might be more appropriate. DM> The commit should get noticed in jazzplusplus-devel Actually it will be noticed on jazzplusplus-updates. DM> to invite any input there. Once any patches are DM> approved and applied to the svn repo, I'll announce DM> same here in jazzplusplus-user, so folks know DM> there's something new to checkout (on the website DM> or in the code), thusly inviting folks to comment DM> on this list as well. Sounds good. DM> Let me know the svn particulars once you get that DM> end sorted, and I'll then do the same here, sanity DM> check it etc...and we all should be happy.. DM> Well...I hope so anyhow. The repository information is listed above. Since you are on Linux boxes, use svn diff > mypatch.patch to generate patches and place them in the source forge patch manager or email them to the list. Like I said before, if the project grows, only the source forge patch manager will make sense, and not the list, but for now, it's OK. DM> 4. The question about 'which linux distro do I use DM> seems to have been left hanging somehow... DM> I was fairly sure I answered that one. Not to worry... DM> I've been personally building & using my own DM> 'hand rolled' linux systems ever since I read DM> 'The Bash to boot prompt howto' and concluding that DM> (quote) "it looked like a fun thing to do". DM> ...and that must've been nearly a decade ago - how DM> time flies... DM> DM> There's also a couple of Debian 4.0 boxes here that DM> I look after for other house members. I can rattle DM> together deb packages in both 32 and 64 bit flavors DM> if need be...whenever that time comes of course.... Kevin C. might want to comment on that. IIRC he was interested in packaging and distribution; if I can ever get anything ready to distribute. Pete |
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From: rosinternet\@libero\.it <ros...@li...> - 2008-05-10 18:39:48
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---------- Initial Header ----------- >From : jaz...@li... To : jaz...@li... Cc : Date : Fri, 09 May 2008 17:25:47 -0700 Subject : Re: [Jazzplusplus-user] Website documentation updates On 9 May 2008 at 23:05, "D.B. Moore" <db...@ho...> wrote: > If there's anyone still tuned in here, please say hello (-; Hello! Eugene. |
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From: Kevin C. <ke...@co...> - 2008-05-12 16:34:39
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On 10 May 2008 at 7:11, "D.B. Moore" <db...@ho...> wrote: > Many years ago, > it was just plain 'dbm' ...decibels per metre.... (-8 But, "dBm" is decibels with respect to 1 milliwatt (mW). Maybe that's why there's a smiley? Cheerio.... -- Kevin |
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From: Philippe C. <cr...@ya...> - 2008-05-12 17:30:57
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From: Kevin C. <ke...@co...> - 2008-05-12 16:36:32
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Thanks for starting to work on getting the doc's in good shape. I agree with trying to put a good foot forward for Linux, jazz++ and all. I have a MIDI hardware synth, if you eventually want me to test something. Cheers.... -- Kevin |
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From: Kevin C. <ke...@co...> - 2008-05-12 16:39:13
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On 10 May 2008 at 9:31, Pete Stieber <pst...@ve...> wrote: > DM> 4. The question about 'which linux distro do I use > DM> seems to have been left hanging somehow... > DM> I was fairly sure I answered that one. Not to worry... > DM> I've been personally building & using my own > DM> 'hand rolled' linux systems ever since I read > DM> 'The Bash to boot prompt howto' and concluding that > DM> (quote) "it looked like a fun thing to do". > DM> ...and that must've been nearly a decade ago - how > DM> time flies... > DM> > DM> There's also a couple of Debian 4.0 boxes here that > DM> I look after for other house members. I can rattle > DM> together deb packages in both 32 and 64 bit flavors > DM> if need be...whenever that time comes of course.... > > Kevin C. might want to comment on that. IIRC he was interested in > packaging and distribution; if I can ever get anything ready to distribute. I've been using Mandriva over here. I package everything for that. It's an RPM based distribution, which means that my packaging can be a great headstart for any other RPM based system, e.g. Red Hat & SuSE. Debian based systems are another story. I've never built any packages for those. Cheers.... -- Kevin |
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