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[jazzplusplus-devel] Hello List again...

[Phuah Y. K. <yk....@ne...>]

Hey, I am still using the windows version of legacy Jazz++, coz I can't 
seem to get my cvs jazzplusplus working on my linux box.

I started timidity, and then started Jazz, and timidity gives me this
Requested buffer size 2048, fragment size 1024
ALSA pcm 'default' set buffer size 2048, period size 1024 bytes

So I assume Jazz made it there, but nothing's coming out of the speaker 
when I click on Play.

PortMidi, is that an effort to abstract out all the platform specific 
midi functions? I have yet to really look into the codes yet, but 
looking at the build process, its not build together with Jazz, so I 
assume it haven't got into Jazz repository yet.

Anyone still working on this project? The mailing list is idle for a 
couple of months already. :)

Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Hello List again...

[Dave F. <da...@da...>]

On Sunday 07 November 2004 11:33 pm, Phuah Yee Keat wrote:
> Hey, I am still using the windows version of legacy Jazz++, coz I can't
> seem to get my cvs jazzplusplus working on my linux box.

Hmmm, did you try using the ./rebuild script?

> I started timidity, and then started Jazz, and timidity gives me this
> Requested buffer size 2048, fragment size 1024
> ALSA pcm 'default' set buffer size 2048, period size 1024 bytes
>
> So I assume Jazz made it there, but nothing's coming out of the speaker
> when I click on Play.

The way Jazz works right now, it doesn't use a softsynth.  I don't know if it 
used to be able to, but your best bet is to simplify and eliminate the 
softsynth, using Jazz's internal synth.

> PortMidi, is that an effort to abstract out all the platform specific
> midi functions? I have yet to really look into the codes yet, but
> looking at the build process, its not build together with Jazz, so I
> assume it haven't got into Jazz repository yet.

Yes.  The long-term goal is to pull the synth out of Jazz entirely and use an 
external softsynth.  There is a version of PortMidi sources in the 
repository, but it hasn't been brought into the build system yet, it's just 
in the repository.

> Anyone still working on this project? The mailing list is idle for a
> couple of months already. :)

As far as I know, we're all still working on it, just extraordinarily busy.  
Admittedly, if jazz was farther along and we had releases of it we'd probably 
be in more of a hurry to find time to work on it.  There is certainly a lot 
of interest in it, so if you want to bang on it, we're not the only ones 
who'll appreciate it.  There is a solid demand for a cross-platform MIDI 
sequencer, and we get regular inquiries (I get a few off-list a month from my 
website), so there are a lot of people besides us that want you to help 
us.  :)

So if you want to start hacking, I (and others here) can certainly point you 
in a useful direction.  There's theoretically not a lot left to get Jazz 
ported to wxWidgets 2.4, and then working on Windows, so that a release could 
be made which would attract users and developers, which would create the 
feedback loop necessary to get Jazz off the ground.  I'll help you any way 
that I can, but I'm in the middle of so much stuff right now, and getting 
enrolled into college (finally, after years of denial), and then that starts 
in january.  Oh boy.  But yeah, I'll help any way that I can, and I'm sure 
there are others here that will love to help too.

Dave

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Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Hello List again...

[Phuah Y. K. <yk....@ne...>]

Dave Fancella wrote:
> The way Jazz works right now, it doesn't use a softsynth.  I don't know if it 
> used to be able to, but your best bet is to simplify and eliminate the 
> softsynth, using Jazz's internal synth.

If my sound card does not have a hardware synth, and I do not have any 
external hardware synth, would I be able to play midi thru Jazz? Coz 
currently, in Linux, I need timidity SoftSynth to play any midi files, 
be it thru rosegarden, or pmidi.

> So if you want to start hacking, I (and others here) can certainly point you 
> in a useful direction.  There's theoretically not a lot left to get Jazz 
> ported to wxWidgets 2.4, and then working on Windows, so that a release could 
> be made which would attract users and developers, which would create the 
> feedback loop necessary to get Jazz off the ground.  I'll help you any way 
> that I can, but I'm in the middle of so much stuff right now, and getting 
> enrolled into college (finally, after years of denial), and then that starts 
> in january.  Oh boy.  But yeah, I'll help any way that I can, and I'm sure 
> there are others here that will love to help too.

Will certainly try to spend some time with the codes to get familiar 
with it. Jazz is good stuffs, nothing comes close on Linux, Rosegarden 
is just too much for my use. I just need to play+loop some midi sequences.

Cheers,
Phuah Yee Keat

Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Hello List again...

[Dave F. <da...@da...>]

On Monday 08 November 2004 12:22 am, Phuah Yee Keat wrote:
> Dave Fancella wrote:
> > The way Jazz works right now, it doesn't use a softsynth.  I don't know
> > if it used to be able to, but your best bet is to simplify and eliminate
> > the softsynth, using Jazz's internal synth.
>
> If my sound card does not have a hardware synth, and I do not have any
> external hardware synth, would I be able to play midi thru Jazz? Coz
> currently, in Linux, I need timidity SoftSynth to play any midi files,
> be it thru rosegarden, or pmidi.

Jazz has a synth in it, doesn't use the sound card, I don't think.  I could be 
wrong about that, though.  Hmmmm.........

> > So if you want to start hacking, I (and others here) can certainly point
> > you in a useful direction.  There's theoretically not a lot left to get
> > Jazz ported to wxWidgets 2.4, and then working on Windows, so that a
> > release could be made which would attract users and developers, which
> > would create the feedback loop necessary to get Jazz off the ground. 
> > I'll help you any way that I can, but I'm in the middle of so much stuff
> > right now, and getting enrolled into college (finally, after years of
> > denial), and then that starts in january.  Oh boy.  But yeah, I'll help
> > any way that I can, and I'm sure there are others here that will love to
> > help too.
>
> Will certainly try to spend some time with the codes to get familiar
> with it. Jazz is good stuffs, nothing comes close on Linux, Rosegarden
> is just too much for my use. I just need to play+loop some midi sequences.

If you just need to play+loop midi sequences, why don't you just use timidity 
or ecasound or something?  Just curious....  You can also render those midi 
sequences to wav or something and then loop them with other programs designed 
for such things (like Hydrogen, maybe?)

Dave

> Cheers,
> Phuah Yee Keat
>
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Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Hello List again...

[Phuah Y. K. <yk....@ne...>]

Dave Fancella wrote:
> Jazz has a synth in it, doesn't use the sound card, I don't think.  I could be 
> wrong about that, though.  Hmmmm.........


Hmm, I will give it some play around, we are talking about ".driver 2" 
which is alsa, right?

> If you just need to play+loop midi sequences, why don't you just use timidity 
> or ecasound or something?  Just curious....  You can also render those midi 
> sequences to wav or something and then loop them with other programs designed 
> for such things (like Hydrogen, maybe?)

I am learning to play the bass guitar, and found midi to be one of the 
best media to learn from. I can have a view of all the instruments, and 
mute whichever that I felt is too noisy. I can also have a general view 
of how many bars are there in the song, and can easily use the mouse to 
mark the 16 bars that I would want to practice/improvise, and have 
jazzpp loop thru it so I could play my bass guitar.

I have reviewed both hydrogen and ecasound after receiving your mail, 
and still thinks jazzpp is the best tool for the work. :)

Cheers,
Phuah Yee Keat

Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Hello List again...

[Dave F. <da...@da...>]

On Monday 08 November 2004 01:50 am, Phuah Yee Keat wrote:
> Dave Fancella wrote:
> > Jazz has a synth in it, doesn't use the sound card, I don't think.  I
> > could be wrong about that, though.  Hmmmm.........
>
> Hmm, I will give it some play around, we are talking about ".driver 2"
> which is alsa, right?

Not sure.  :)  All's I really know is that Jazz++ works on my Linux box 
without a softsynth, compiled as-is using the top-level rebuild script.  If 
all dependencies are satisfied, you should have the same experience.

> > If you just need to play+loop midi sequences, why don't you just use
> > timidity or ecasound or something?  Just curious....  You can also render
> > those midi sequences to wav or something and then loop them with other
> > programs designed for such things (like Hydrogen, maybe?)
>
> I am learning to play the bass guitar, and found midi to be one of the
> best media to learn from. I can have a view of all the instruments, and
> mute whichever that I felt is too noisy. I can also have a general view
> of how many bars are there in the song, and can easily use the mouse to
> mark the 16 bars that I would want to practice/improvise, and have
> jazzpp loop thru it so I could play my bass guitar.
>
> I have reviewed both hydrogen and ecasound after receiving your mail,
> and still thinks jazzpp is the best tool for the work. :)

In that case, may I direct you to a webpage?
http://www.davefancella.com/mambo/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=34&Itemid=34

It's a webpage of my own that has a few hydrogen files, a drumkit, and some 
midi bass lines I did with RoseGarden.  No guitars or anything, though.  
Maybe some day I'll record some guitars, but the page is kinda meant to 
support guitar players, because it's meant to support me.  ;)  contributions 
welcome, you can upload files to the forums on my website.

Dave

> Cheers,
> Phuah Yee Keat
>
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