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Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] It works on Fedora 12 AMD64...

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pete Stieber" <pst...@gm...>
To: <jaz...@li...>
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 5:56 PM
Subject: Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] It works on Fedora 12 AMD64...


> On 6/21/2010 2:49 PM, BV = Bob Vogel wrote:
> BV> I have suggestions for enhancement that you
> BV> could consider...
> BV>
> BV>   * I have a somewhat complete routine that
> BV> accepts midi input, takes the difference between
> BV> the notes, and then normalizes the intervals to
> BV> mod(12).  It turns out that doing this gives each
> BV> chord a fairly unique signature, and it outputs
> BV> the kind of chord that is being played (Em7,C7,
> BV> C7b9b13...for example.)  It's called Midi2Chord.
> BV> Possibly this could be incorporated so that chords
> BV> are identified as they are played.  That could be
> BV> a data entry tool. Alternatively, it might be used
> BV> to identify chords from imported midi files.  If
> BV> you are interested in this, I could send you code.
>
> Sounds good.  Feel free to send it to me.
>
> BV>   It shouldn't be too tough to code a Chord2Midi
> BV> routine that would do the opposite.  That way,
> BV> given a lead sheet, it would be possible to generate
> BV> midi notes. (Are you familiar with Band-in-a-box?)
>
> No.  Is this it (http://www.pgmusic.com/)?

Yes. In my opinion they have done a really good job.

>
> BV> I'm tinkering with 'gmorgan' (which is no longer
> BV> supported by anyone. Take a look.) to do
> BV> something similar.
>
> I'll give it a look.  I'm looking at http://gmorgan.sourceforge.net/.  I
> just checked out the CVS repository.  Have you built this code?
>
Yes. The people who wrote this speak spanish and it flavors most of the 
code.
They produced a little documentation, but the code is pretty much devoid of 
comments.
Initially, it would not compile because the GUI (fluid) had a modification 
that
required changing a data type to long...at least for 64 bit machines. I told 
them
so...they might have fixed it with a version .27. Mostly it seems they 
abandoned it.

There are a number of things I liked about it though. It uses the gettext 
facility for
internationalization. (I didn't know about this.)

It uses the alsa routines for midi operations, so it fits well with jack.

I thought that I could enhance it for my taste. For example I mean to
incorporate block chords into the mode switch. Given a valid chord symbol 
and
a lead note, the block chord routine produces  a five part harmonization and
delivers it to the current midi voice.  Should sound like a brass or reed 
section of a big band
only using one finger.

I haven't told the gmorgan mailing list that I have tinkered with it. It is 
licensed under
the GPL2, so I have the right I think. Still, they may mind.

The wx gui is nicer that fluid I think.

I'll clean up my code a little before I send it to you.
If I tar my directory and send it as an attachment to you personally. That 
ok ?

> BV>   * There is a wave2midi converter called WAON
> BV> that will take a wave file and convert it to midi.
>
> Now that is a difficult problem!  I found http://waon.sourceforge.net/
> and checked out the CVS repository.
>
> BV> Perhaps that could be placed on the menu as an
> BV> import for audio files. (?)
>
> Sounds like an idea.  Have you built this code?
>
> BV>   * It would be good to elaborate the dialog box
> BV> that controls voicing so that there could be volume,
> BV> midi channel, device (or synth), pan, reverb,
> BV> chorus.... I didn't find the mixing facility, so
> BV> maybe that is the answer.  Anyway, I'd like to be
> BV> able to use the Yamaha for some voices, or mix Linux
> BV> voices in also with the Yamaha, use Hydrogen as a
> BV> midi driven instrument (I like its sounds.), use
> BV> Qsynth...and so on.
>
> BV>   * Would it be a good idea to use Jack?
>
> I use Jazz++ with Jack with Qsynth on Linux.
>
> BV> How about Lash?
>
> Haven't ever tried it.
>
> BV> Anyway, Jazz++ looks very good. I hope you find
> BV> this constructive...
>
> I do.  thanks.
>
> BV> With some guidance from you, maybe I could
> BV> help out some.
>
> Sounds good.  I keep so busy with my day job, I could use the help.
>




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Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] It works on Fedora 12 AMD64...

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pete Stieber" <pst...@gm...>
To: <jaz...@li...>
Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] It works on Fedora 12 AMD64...


> On 6/21/2010 2:49 PM, BV = Bob Vogel wrote:
> BV>>   * There is a wave2midi converter called WAON
> BV>> that will take a wave file and convert it to midi.
>
> On 7/4/2010 2:56 PM, Pete Stieber wrote:
>
> PS> Now that is a difficult problem!  I found
> PS> http://waon.sourceforge.net/ and checked
> PS> out the CVS repository.
>
> BV>> Perhaps that could be placed on the menu as an
> BV>> import for audio files. (?)
>
> PS> Sounds like an idea.  Have you built this code?
>

Hi Pete,

I did build waon. Often when I hear music, I can pretty much tell what is 
being played
and, if motivated, actually write a transcription. Sometimes I can't.
Anyway, I clipped a few bars from a recording that were puzzling, produced a 
wave file,
ran it through waon. The resulting midi file sounded pretty much like the 
original, so
I think it was a good test. You're right, this is a real challenge.

The midi output is hard to format for printing in a legible way. I tried a 
chain of programs
to do it:

Lilypond is an active project: http://www.lilypond.org/

See the description of Allegro at 
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~music/music.software.html

Fomus (http://fomus.sourceforge.net/)



Since waon seemed to work pretty well, it occurred to me that a menu entry.
a file chooser, and a little scripting could incorporate it. But I only work 
with Linux
 code because I am unwilling to purchase windows development software.

> I managed to get this code built on a Linux box, and the code worked.
> This would take some work to incorporate into Jazz++.  Jazz++ is a
> cross-platform program, while WAON is Linux specific.  It would take
> some refactoring to replace some libraries used by WAON with those used
> by Jazz++, and some porting of other libraries to get everything working.
>
> I am interested in this.  I'm an electrical engineer by trade and the
> use of fast Fourier transforms and a spectrogram to determine pitch is
> interesting to me.
>
> I would also like to attempt a sheet music display.  I've look at a few
> code to get ideas, but haven't found anything that I could integrate
> quickly.  Have you looked into this?
>

Lilypond, see above, I believe could print notation cross platform.



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Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] It works on Fedora 12 AMD64...

[Pete S. <pst...@gm...>]

On 6/21/2010 2:49 PM, BV = Bob Vogel wrote:
BV>>   * There is a wave2midi converter called WAON
BV>> that will take a wave file and convert it to midi.

On 7/4/2010 2:56 PM, Pete Stieber wrote:

PS> Now that is a difficult problem!  I found
PS> http://waon.sourceforge.net/ and checked
PS> out the CVS repository.

BV>> Perhaps that could be placed on the menu as an
BV>> import for audio files. (?)

PS> Sounds like an idea.  Have you built this code?

I managed to get this code built on a Linux box, and the code worked. 
This would take some work to incorporate into Jazz++.  Jazz++ is a 
cross-platform program, while WAON is Linux specific.  It would take 
some refactoring to replace some libraries used by WAON with those used 
by Jazz++, and some porting of other libraries to get everything working.

I am interested in this.  I'm an electrical engineer by trade and the 
use of fast Fourier transforms and a spectrogram to determine pitch is 
interesting to me.

I would also like to attempt a sheet music display.  I've look at a few 
code to get ideas, but haven't found anything that I could integrate 
quickly.  Have you looked into this?

Pete

Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] It works on Fedora 12 AMD64...

[Pete S. <pst...@gm...>]

On 6/21/2010 2:49 PM, BV = Bob Vogel wrote:
BV> I have suggestions for enhancement that you
BV> could consider...
BV>
BV>   * I have a somewhat complete routine that
BV> accepts midi input, takes the difference between
BV> the notes, and then normalizes the intervals to
BV> mod(12).  It turns out that doing this gives each
BV> chord a fairly unique signature, and it outputs
BV> the kind of chord that is being played (Em7,C7,
BV> C7b9b13...for example.)  It's called Midi2Chord.
BV> Possibly this could be incorporated so that chords
BV> are identified as they are played.  That could be
BV> a data entry tool. Alternatively, it might be used
BV> to identify chords from imported midi files.  If
BV> you are interested in this, I could send you code.

Sounds good.  Feel free to send it to me.

BV>   It shouldn't be too tough to code a Chord2Midi
BV> routine that would do the opposite.  That way,
BV> given a lead sheet, it would be possible to generate
BV> midi notes. (Are you familiar with Band-in-a-box?)

No.  Is this it (http://www.pgmusic.com/)?

BV> I'm tinkering with 'gmorgan' (which is no longer
BV> supported by anyone. Take a look.) to do
BV> something similar.

I'll give it a look.  I'm looking at http://gmorgan.sourceforge.net/.  I 
just checked out the CVS repository.  Have you built this code?

BV>   * There is a wave2midi converter called WAON
BV> that will take a wave file and convert it to midi.

Now that is a difficult problem!  I found http://waon.sourceforge.net/ 
and checked out the CVS repository.

BV> Perhaps that could be placed on the menu as an
BV> import for audio files. (?)

Sounds like an idea.  Have you built this code?

BV>   * It would be good to elaborate the dialog box
BV> that controls voicing so that there could be volume,
BV> midi channel, device (or synth), pan, reverb,
BV> chorus.... I didn't find the mixing facility, so
BV> maybe that is the answer.  Anyway, I'd like to be
BV> able to use the Yamaha for some voices, or mix Linux
BV> voices in also with the Yamaha, use Hydrogen as a
BV> midi driven instrument (I like its sounds.), use
BV> Qsynth...and so on.

BV>   * Would it be a good idea to use Jack?

I use Jazz++ with Jack with Qsynth on Linux.

BV> How about Lash?

Haven't ever tried it.

BV> Anyway, Jazz++ looks very good. I hope you find
BV> this constructive...

I do.  thanks.

BV> With some guidance from you, maybe I could
BV> help out some.

Sounds good.  I keep so busy with my day job, I could use the help.

Pete

Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] It works on Fedora 12 AMD64...

[Pete S. <pst...@gm...>]

On 6/21/2010 2:49 PM, BV = Bob Vogel
BV> Hi Pete,
BV>
BV> Today I downloaded Jazz++ and built it as instructed
BV> in sourceforge.  It all looked to compile clean.
BV>
BV> It worked well. I am running a quad core AMD64 (HP)
BV> machine with Fedora 12.

I have built the code on Fedora 13 with

old dual AMD Opteron processors
dual quad core Xeons
quad and dual core Intel Core2 processor

machines, but I don't always test the resulting binary.

BV> I use a Yamaha keyboard with a UX16 midi-to-usb
BV> cable as both input and output.
BV>
BV> There was a minor hang when I clicked on the
BV> instrument column.

I'm not quite sure what you are referring to when you say "instrument 
column".  Could you embellish?

BV> (Assert Failed while clicking on trackname.) Here
BV> is the backtrace it produced:

I just got back from vacation and have some time this weekend.  Were you 
working with a debug build to get the back trace?

<backtrace>
ASSERT INFO:
../wxWidgets-2.8/src/gtk/listbox.cpp(859): assert "IsValid(n)" failed in
DoSetSelection(): invalid index in wxListBox::SetSelection

BACKTRACE:
[1] wxListBox::DoSetSelection(int, bool)
[2] wxListBoxBase::SetSelection(int)
[3]
JZTrackDialog::TransferDataToWindow()
/home/vogelrl/OutsideSource/JazzBuild/src/../../jazz/src/Dialogs/TrackDialog.cpp:172
[4] wxWindowBase::OnInitDialog(wxInitDialogEvent&)
[5] wxAppConsole::HandleEvent(wxEvtHandler*, void
(wxEvtHandler::*)(wxEvent&), wxEvent&) cons)
[6] wxEvtHandler::ProcessEventIfMatches(wxEventTableEntryBase const&,
wxEvtHandler*, wxEvent&)
[7] wxEventHashTable::HandleEvent(wxEvent&, wxEvtHandler*)
[8] wxEvtHandler::ProcessEvent(wxEvent&)
[9] wxWindowBase::InitDialog()
[10] wxDialog::Show(bool)
[11] wxDialog::ShowModal()
[12]
JZTrack::Dialog(JZTrackWindow*)
/home/vogelrl/OutsideSource/JazzBuild/src/../../jazz/src/Track.cpp:1908
[13]
JZTrackWindow::OnLeftButtonUp(wxMouseEvent&)
/home/vogelrl/OutsideSource/JazzBuild/src/../../jazz/src/TrackWindow.cpp:394
[14] wxAppConsole::HandleEvent(wxEvtHandler*, void
(wxEvtHandler::*)(wxEvent&), wxEvent&) cons)
[15] wxEvtHandler::ProcessEventIfMatches(wxEventTableEntryBase const&,
wxEvtHandler*, wxEvent&)
[16] wxEventHashTable::HandleEvent(wxEvent&, wxEvtHandler*)
[17] wxEvtHandler::ProcessEvent(wxEvent&)
[18] wxWindow::GTKProcessEvent(wxEvent&) cons)
[19] g_closure_invoke()
[20] g_signal_emit_valist()
[21] g_signal_emit()
[22] gtk_propagate_event()
[23] gtk_main_do_event()
[24] g_main_context_dispatch()
[25] g_main_loop_run()
[26] gtk_main()
</backtrace>

I'll reply to your enhancement suggestions in a separate thread.

Thanks for the report, and it's good to hear from you,
Pete

[jazzplusplus-devel] It works on Fedora 12 AMD64...

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Hi Pete,

Today I downloaded Jazz++ and built it as instructed in sourceforge. It all 
looked to compile clean.

It worked well. I am running a quad core AMD64 (HP) machine with Fedora 12. 
I use a Yamaha keyboard with a UX16 midi-to-usb cable as both input and 
output.

There was a minor hang when I clicked on the instrument column. (Assert 
Failed while clicking on trackname.) Here is the backtrace it produced:

ASSERT INFO:
../wxWidgets-2.8/src/gtk/listbox.cpp(859): assert "IsValid(n)" failed in
DoSetSelection(): invalid index in wxListBox::SetSelection

BACKTRACE:
[1] wxListBox::DoSetSelection(int, bool)
[2] wxListBoxBase::SetSelection(int)
[3]
JZTrackDialog::TransferDataToWindow() 
/home/vogelrl/OutsideSource/JazzBuild/src/../../jazz/src/Dialogs/TrackDialog.cpp:172
[4] wxWindowBase::OnInitDialog(wxInitDialogEvent&)
[5] wxAppConsole::HandleEvent(wxEvtHandler*, void
(wxEvtHandler::*)(wxEvent&), wxEvent&) cons)
[6] wxEvtHandler::ProcessEventIfMatches(wxEventTableEntryBase const&,
wxEvtHandler*, wxEvent&)
[7] wxEventHashTable::HandleEvent(wxEvent&, wxEvtHandler*)
[8] wxEvtHandler::ProcessEvent(wxEvent&)
[9] wxWindowBase::InitDialog()
[10] wxDialog::Show(bool)
[11] wxDialog::ShowModal()
[12]
JZTrack::Dialog(JZTrackWindow*) 
/home/vogelrl/OutsideSource/JazzBuild/src/../../jazz/src/Track.cpp:1908
[13]
JZTrackWindow::OnLeftButtonUp(wxMouseEvent&) 
/home/vogelrl/OutsideSource/JazzBuild/src/../../jazz/src/TrackWindow.cpp:394
[14] wxAppConsole::HandleEvent(wxEvtHandler*, void
(wxEvtHandler::*)(wxEvent&), wxEvent&) cons)
[15] wxEvtHandler::ProcessEventIfMatches(wxEventTableEntryBase const&,
wxEvtHandler*, wxEvent&)
[16] wxEventHashTable::HandleEvent(wxEvent&, wxEvtHandler*)
[17] wxEvtHandler::ProcessEvent(wxEvent&)
[18] wxWindow::GTKProcessEvent(wxEvent&) cons)
[19] g_closure_invoke()
[20] g_signal_emit_valist()
[21] g_signal_emit()
[22] gtk_propagate_event()
[23] gtk_main_do_event()
[24] g_main_context_dispatch()
[25] g_main_loop_run()
[26] gtk_main()


I have suggestions for enhancement that you could consider...

    * I have a somewhat complete routine that accepts midi input, takes the 
difference between the notes, and then normalizes the intervals to mod(12). 
It turns out that doing this gives each chord a fairly unique signature, and 
it outputs the kind of chord that is being played (Em7,C7, C7b9b13...for 
example.) It's called Midi2Chord. Possibly this could be incorporated so 
that chords are identified as they are played. That could be a data entry 
tool. Alternatively, it might be used to identify chords from imported midi 
files. If you are interested in this, I could send you code.

    It shouldn't be too tough to code a Chord2Midi routine that would do the 
opposite. That way, given a lead sheet, it would be possible to generate 
midi notes. (Are you familiar with Band-in-a-box ?) I'm tinkering with 
'gmorgan' (which is no longer supported by anyone. Take a look.) to do 
something similar.

    * There is a wave2midi converter called WAON that will take a wave file 
and convert it to midi. Perhaps that could be placed on the menu as an 
import for audio files. (?)

    * It would be good to elaborate the dialog box that controls voicing so 
that there could be volume, midi channel, device (or synth), pan, reverb, 
chorus.... I didn't find the mixing facility, so maybe that is the answer. 
Anyway, I'd like to be able to use the Yamaha for some voices, or mix Linux 
voices in also with the Yamaha, use Hydrogen as a midi driven instrument (I 
like its sounds.), use Qsynth...and so on.

    * Would it be a good idea to use Jack ? How about Lash ?

Anyway, Jazz++ looks very good. I hope you find this constructive...With 
some guidance from you, maybe I could help out some.


Bob Vogel

Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Status ?

[Pete S. <pst...@gm...>]

DM = D.B. Moore
DM> Howdy folks,
DM>
DM> Yes...I too am still lurking here...

Good to hear from you don.

Pete

Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Status ?

[D.B. M. <db...@ho...>]

Howdy folks,

Yes...I too am still lurking here, but I've been significantly
distracted by hospital visits, biopsies...and right now, being
part of a clinical study investigating a currently trial version
of a treatment, which (hopefully) *may* cure my hepatitis type C
genome 1 (which is the isolated strain I've been subsequently
diagnosed as having)...which, sadly, really 'knocks the wind
out of my sails'...due to various known side effects. One of
these side effects, totally deranges my concentration levels,
which is most annoying (I should write a book entitled "A day
on the life of the human guinea-pig" ;)

Otherwise, I'm still okay and onboard here - just under medical
duress as it were <grin>...

Hmm...seems a recent hotmail update has decided not to quote
the original posting I'm replying to here...but...I have read
recent postings...

-pulseaudio- ; never seen anything good written about this (I
can imagine Alan Cox ranting about this like he did wrt esound ;)
In fact, AFAICT, a lot of ubuntu users actually uninstall this
animal and fall back to using the ALSA layer instead, and a lot
of their problems (with sound) simply disappear in that moment...

-soundcard- ; using the 'bang for your buck' principle drawn
above a line of 'functionality and support', I still think one
of the best buys is a creative soundblaster !Live or Audigy 
card...imho of course...

So...that's =my= status at present ; hopefully I'll be back on
deck properly near the end of the year/early 2010, once the
current round of clinical studies has concluded...

Regards,

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Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Status ?

[Pete S. <pst...@gm...>]

PS = Pete Stieber
PS>> This is my second attempt at replying to
PS>> this message.  I have no idea what
PS>> happened to my first attempt...

KC = Kevin Cosgrove
KC> I got both replies....

I didn't receive the first (sent at 3:42 PM PDT) until I sent the second 
(4:42 PM PDT).  I use Thunderbird to send my gmail messages.  This 
causes weird stuff like this every once in a while, but I don't have 
time to figure out the pattern.

I was using my Verizon account until they though Jazz++ email was span...

Anyway, sorry for the double post.

BTW, hope your son is well.

Pete

Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Status ?

[Kevin C. <ke...@co...>]

On 15 October 2009 at 16:42, Pete Stieber <pst...@gm...> wrote:

> This is my second attempt at replying to this message.  I have no idea 
> what happened to my first attempt...

I got both replies....


--
Kevin

Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Status ?

[Pete S. <pst...@gm...>]

This is my second attempt at replying to this message.  I have no idea 
what happened to my first attempt...

BV = Bob Vogel
BV>>> I have a copy of Dave Phillips book, Linux
BV>>> Music & Sound, from 2000 which describes
BV>>> jazz++ this way:
BV>>>
BV>>> "...Jazz++ is a professional grade tools for
BV>>> recording, editing, and playing midi data and
BV>>> has the distinction of being the first Linux
BV>>> sequencer with integrated MIDI and digital
BV>>> audio sequencing. It provides a wide
BV>>> assortment of tools for the manipulation of
BV>>> recorded MIDI data, including a full
BV>>> complement of the basic tools (cut, copy,
BV>>> paste, mute/solo, track quantization and
BV>>> transposition, and so on), a variety of
BV>>> interesting and useful MIDI event generators
BV>>> and modifiers, and an editor and other tools
BV>>> for digital audio tracks."
BV>>>
BV>>> It goes on for a few more pages with more
BV>>> detail. There is also a CD included with the
BV>>> book that has a 386 rpm, some documentation,
BV>>> and other material that is likely outdated by
BV>>> now.
BV>>>
BV>>> Since it is all under the GPL, I could send
BV>>> you copies of those files if they are of any
BV>>> use to you.

PS = Pete Stieber
PS>> I didn't even know this book existed.
PS>> If you browse the SVN repository
PS>> I inherited you will notice some
PS>> old branches
PS>>
PS>> http://jazzplusplus.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/jazzplusplus/branches/
PS>>
PS>> Do you happen to know the version of
PS>> Jazz++ that was included on the CD?

BV> Dave Phillips did not include actual
BV> source code for Jazz++ on his CD. One
BV> file is labeled jazz4.0.0-1.386.rpm.
BV> I sent a file to your gmail address
BV> that contains some useful looking
BV> html.  Dave's book also has a number
BV> of screenshots. A good library could
BV> probably get it for you.

Amazon still has a link to vendors...

http://www.amazon.com/Linux-Music-Sound-Dave-Phillips/dp/1886411344

BV> It might not have been a good move.
BV> I have changed from Debian to Ubuntu
BV> 9.04 on a quad core AMD64 machine.
BV> Actually it has been much more difficult
BV> to configure audio because Ubuntu
BV> uses Pulseaudio.

So does Fedora.

BV> It's also that I have a cheap
BV> soundcard that turns out not to be
BV> supported by ALSA. I'm thinking I
BV> need to replace the sound card soon.
BV> Which one do you think would be best?

I haven't kept up with sound card HW.  The last time I was doing this 
Creative Labs (http://us.creative.com/welcome.asp) and TurtleBeach 
(http://www.turtlebeach.com/) were the best "game in town", but don't 
trust that.  This might help (http://linux-sound.org/drivers.html).

BV> Aside from that, I have compiled 2.8.10
BV> of wxWidgets. Seems to be ok.

You need to compile it using instructions found at...

http://jazzplusplus.sourceforge.net/buildingwx/

BV> Sure...I can try building it. Do you
BV> still have instructions to do it ?

Yes.  After wxWidgets, build and install tex2rtf...

http://jazzplusplus.sourceforge.net/buildingtex2rtf/

Next Jazz++

http://jazzplusplus.sourceforge.net/buildingjazz/

Let me know if some instructions are fouled up.  Also see my autoreconf 
note to Kevin.

Thanks for trying,
Pete

Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Status ?

[Pete S. <pst...@gm...>]

BV = Bob Vogel
BV> I have a copy of Dave Phillips book, Linux
BV> Music & Sound, from 2000 which describes
BV> jazz++ this way:
BV>
BV> "...Jazz++ is a professional grade tools for
BV> recording, editing, and playing midi data and
BV> has the distinction of being the first Linux
BV> sequencer with integrated MIDI and digital
BV> audio sequencing. It provides a wide
BV> assortment of tools for the manipulation of
BV> recorded MIDI data, including a full
BV> complement of the basic tools (cut, copy,
BV> paste, mute/solo, track quantization and
BV> transposition, and so on), a variety of
BV> interesting and useful MIDI event generators
BV> and modifiers, and an editor and other tools
BV> for digital audio tracks."
BV>
BV> It goes on for a few more pages with more
BV> detail. There is also a CD included with the
BV> book that has a 386 rpm, some documentation,
BV> and other material that is likely outdated by
BV> now.
BV>
BV> Since it is all under the GPL, I could send
BV> you copies of those files if they are of any
BV> use to you.

PS = Pete Stieber
PS>> I didn't even know this book existed.
PS>> If you browse the SVN repository
PS>> I inherited you will notice some
PS>> old branches
PS>>
PS>> http://jazzplusplus.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/jazzplusplus/branches/
PS>>
PS>> Do you happen to know the version of
PS>> Jazz++ that was included on the CD?
PS>>
>> BV> I was hoping that it could get back to its
>> BV> original functionality with a nice new wx gui.
>> BV>
>> BV> What are the chances?
>>
>> It's functional.  IIRC you are a Debian user.  Is that still true?
>>
>> What distribution/hardware are you using?
>>
>> Would you be willing to try and build version 2.8.10 of wxWidgets and
>> the current Jazz++ code in subversion?
>>
>> It might take some effort, but I promise to help.

BV> Dave Phillips did not include actual
BV> source code for Jazz++ on his CD. One
BV> file is labeled jazz4.0.0-1.386.rpm.
BV> I sent a file to your gmail address
BV> that contains some useful looking
BV> html.  Dave's book also has a number
BV> of screenshots. A good library could
BV> probably get it for you.

Amazon still has a link to vendors...

http://www.amazon.com/Linux-Music-Sound-Dave-Phillips/dp/1886411344

BV> It might not have been a good move.
BV> I have changed from Debian to Ubuntu
BV> 9.04 on a quad core AMD64 machine.
BV> Actually it has been much more difficult
BV> to configure audio because Ubuntu
BV> uses Pulseaudio.

So does Fedora.

BV> It's also that I have a cheap
BV> soundcard that turns out not to be
BV> supported by ALSA. I'm thinking I
BV> need to replace the sound card soon.
BV> Which one do you think would be best?

I haven't kept up with sound card HW.  The last time I was doing this 
Creative Labs (http://us.creative.com/welcome.asp) and TurtleBeach 
(http://www.turtlebeach.com/) were the best "game in town", but don't 
trust that.  This might help (http://linux-sound.org/drivers.html).

BV> Aside from that, I have compiled 2.8.10
BV> of wxWidgets. Seems to be ok.

You need to compile it using instructions found at...

http://jazzplusplus.sourceforge.net/buildingwx/

BV> Sure...I can try building it. Do you
BV> still have instructions to do it ?

Yes.  After wxWidgets, build and install tex2rtf...

http://jazzplusplus.sourceforge.net/buildingtex2rtf/

Next Jazz++

http://jazzplusplus.sourceforge.net/buildingjazz/

Let me know if some instructions are fouled up.  Also see my autoreconf 
note to Kevin.

Thanks for trying,
Pete

Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Status ?

[Pete S. <pst...@gm...>]

PS = Pete Stieber
PS>> It's functional.  IIRC you are a Debian user.
PS>>  Is that still true?
PS>>
PS>> What distribution/hardware are you using?
PS>>
PS>> Would you be willing to try and build version
PS>> 2.8.10 of wxWidgets and the current Jazz++
PS>> code in subversion?

KC = Kevin Cosgrove
KC> In the next few months I'll be upgrading
KC> my music computer from Mandriva 2007.0 to
KC> Fedora Core 10, presuming that CCRMA works
KC> well with FC10 and that I can get Mondo
KC> Rescue to work on FC10.  I've heard great
KC> reports about both of those on FC10.
KC> After that upgrade, I'd be happy to try
KC> test builds and runs with any new Jazz++
KC> code.  Last time I did get some amount of
KC> this working on Mandriva 2007.0.

I just successfully built

1. trunk of wxWidgets 2.8 branch
2. Tex2rtf from the Jazz++ subversion repository
3. Jazz++ from the subversion repository

on a Fedora 11 box.  The only trouble I ran into was newer versions of 
the autotools programs.  I had to use

autoreconf -f -i --verbose

for tex2rtf and jazz++ to update some autotools scripts.

Pete

Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Status ?

[<vo...@ct...>]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pete Stieber" <                                                   >
To: <jaz...@li...>
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Status ?


> BV = Bob Vogel
> BV>>> Haven't heard anything on this list for a while.
>
> PS = Pete Stieber
> PS>> I've been distracted by work and I've started
> PS>> giving drum lessons on Saturday mornings.
>
> BV>>> Is it near operable?
>
> PS>> I managed to get it recording MIDI from my
> PS>> Roland drum kit.
>
> BV>>> How much more needs to be done?
>
> PS>> I would like to remove all of the deprecated
> PS>> wxWidgets code.  This means I need to convert
> PS>> several dialog boxes to modern wxWidgets.
> PS>>
> PS>> What functionality were you looking for?
>
> BV> I have a copy of Dave Phillips book, Linux
> BV> Music & Sound, from 2000 which describes
> BV> jazz++ this way:
> BV>
> BV> "...Jazz++ is a professional grade tools for
> BV> recording, editing, and playing midi data and
> BV> has the distinction of being the first Linux
> BV> sequencer with integrated MIDI and digital
> BV> audio sequencing. It provides a wide
> BV> assortment of tools for the manipulation of
> BV> recorded MIDI data, including a full
> BV> complement of the basic tools (cut, copy,
> BV> paste, mute/solo, track quantization and
> BV> transposition, and so on), a variety of
> BV> interesting and useful MIDI event generators
> BV> and modifiers, and an editor and other tools
> BV> for digital audio tracks."
> BV>
> BV> It goes on for a few more pages with more
> BV> detail. There is also a CD included with the
> BV> book that has a 386 rpm, some documentation,
> BV> and other material that is likely outdated by
> BV> now.
> BV>
> BV> Since it is all under the GPL, I could send
> BV> you copies of those files if they are of any
> BV> use to you.
>
> I didn't even know this book existed.  If you browse the SVN repository
> I inherited you will notice some old branches
>
> http://jazzplusplus.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/jazzplusplus/branches/
>
> Do you happen to know the version of Jazz++ that was included on the CD?
>
> BV> I was hoping that it could get back to its
> BV> original functionality with a nice new wx gui.
> BV>
> BV> What are the chances?
>
> It's functional.  IIRC you are a Debian user.  Is that still true?
>
> What distribution/hardware are you using?
>
> Would you be willing to try and build version 2.8.10 of wxWidgets and
> the current Jazz++ code in subversion?
>
> It might take some effort, but I promise to help.
>
> Pete


Hi Pete,

Dave Phillips did not include actual source code for Jazz++ on his CD. One 
file is labeled jazz4.0.0-1.386.rpm. I sent a file to your gmail address 
that contains some useful looking html.
Dave's book also has a number of screenshots. A good library could probably 
get it for you.

It might not have been a good move. I have changed from Debian to Ubuntu 
9.04 on a quad core AMD64 machine.
Actually it has been much more difficult to configure audio because Ubuntu 
uses Pulseaudio. It's also that I have a cheap soundcard that turns out
not to be supported by ALSA. I'm thinking I need to replace the sound card 
soon. Which one do you think would be best ?

Aside from that, I have compiled 2.8.10 of wxWidgets. Seems to be ok.

Sure...I can try building it. Do you still have instructions to do it ? (I 
did do it a year ago or more when I was running Debian.)

Bob


Bob


 

Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Status ?

[Kevin C. <ke...@co...>]

On 15 October 2009 at 7:40, Pete Stieber <pst...@gm...> wrote:

> It's functional.  IIRC you are a Debian user.  Is that still true?
> 
> What distribution/hardware are you using?
> 
> Would you be willing to try and build version 2.8.10 of wxWidgets and 
> the current Jazz++ code in subversion?

In the next few months I'll be upgrading my music computer from 
Mandriva 2007.0 to Fedora Core 10, presuming that CCRMA works well 
with FC10 and that I can get Mondo Rescue to work on FC10.  I've 
heard great reports about both of those on FC10.  After that upgrade, 
I'd be happy to try test builds and runs with any new Jazz++ code.  
Last time I did get some amount of this working on Mandriva 2007.0.

Thanks....


--
Kevin

Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Status ?

[Pete S. <pst...@gm...>]

BV = Bob Vogel
BV>>> Haven't heard anything on this list for a while.

PS = Pete Stieber
PS>> I've been distracted by work and I've started
PS>> giving drum lessons on Saturday mornings.

BV>>> Is it near operable?

PS>> I managed to get it recording MIDI from my
PS>> Roland drum kit.

BV>>> How much more needs to be done?

PS>> I would like to remove all of the deprecated
PS>> wxWidgets code.  This means I need to convert
PS>> several dialog boxes to modern wxWidgets.
PS>>
PS>> What functionality were you looking for?

BV> I have a copy of Dave Phillips book, Linux
BV> Music & Sound, from 2000 which describes
BV> jazz++ this way:
BV>
BV> "...Jazz++ is a professional grade tools for
BV> recording, editing, and playing midi data and
BV> has the distinction of being the first Linux
BV> sequencer with integrated MIDI and digital
BV> audio sequencing. It provides a wide
BV> assortment of tools for the manipulation of
BV> recorded MIDI data, including a full
BV> complement of the basic tools (cut, copy,
BV> paste, mute/solo, track quantization and
BV> transposition, and so on), a variety of
BV> interesting and useful MIDI event generators
BV> and modifiers, and an editor and other tools
BV> for digital audio tracks."
BV>
BV> It goes on for a few more pages with more
BV> detail. There is also a CD included with the
BV> book that has a 386 rpm, some documentation,
BV> and other material that is likely outdated by
BV> now.
BV>
BV> Since it is all under the GPL, I could send
BV> you copies of those files if they are of any
BV> use to you.

I didn't even know this book existed.  If you browse the SVN repository 
I inherited you will notice some old branches

http://jazzplusplus.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/jazzplusplus/branches/

Do you happen to know the version of Jazz++ that was included on the CD?

BV> I was hoping that it could get back to its
BV> original functionality with a nice new wx gui.
BV>
BV> What are the chances?

It's functional.  IIRC you are a Debian user.  Is that still true?

What distribution/hardware are you using?

Would you be willing to try and build version 2.8.10 of wxWidgets and 
the current Jazz++ code in subversion?

It might take some effort, but I promise to help.

Pete

Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Status ?

[<vo...@ct...>]

> What functionality were you looking for?

Hi Pete,

I have a copy of Dave Phillips book, Linux Music & Sound, from 2000 which
describes jazz++ this way:

"...Jazz++ is a professional grade tools for recording, editing, and playing 
midi data and has the
distinction of being the first Linux sequencer with integrated MIDI and 
digital audio sequencing. It
provides a wide assortment of tools for the manipulation of recorded MIDI 
data, including a full
complement of the basic tools (cut, copy, paste, mute/solo, track 
quantization and transposition, and so on),
a variety of interesting and useful MIDI event generators and modifiers, and 
an editor and other tools
for digital audio tracks."

It goes on for a few more pages with more detail. There is also a CD 
included with the book that
has a 386 rpm, some documentation, and other material that is likely 
outdated by now.
Since it is all under the GPL, I could send you copies of those files if 
they are of
any use to you.

I was hoping that it could get back to its original functionality with a 
nice new wx gui.

What are the chances ?

Bob


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pete Stieber" <pst...@gm...>
To: <jaz...@li...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 11:21 PM
Subject: Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Status ?


> BV = Bob Vogel
> BV>> Haven't heard anything on this list for a while.
>
> I've been distracted by work and I've started giving drum lessons on
> Saturday mornings.
>
> BV>> Is it near operable?
>
> I managed to get it recording MIDI from my Roland drum kit.
>
> BV>> How much more needs to be done?
>
> I would like to remove all of the deprecated wxWidgets code.  this means
> I need to convert several dialog boxes to modern wxWidgets.
>
> What functionality were you looking for?
>
> BV>> Thanks in advance for your response.
>
> Thank you.  Your interest will get me looking at this again.
>
> KC = Kevin Cosgrove
> KC> I'm still lurking....  ;-)
>
> Hi Kevin.  Hope everyone is well at your place.  Last time we talked
> (over a year ago) you had a sick 4 year old daughter.  Well she is at
> least 5 now ;-)
>
> Pete
>
>
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Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Status ?

[Pete S. <pst...@gm...>]

BV = Bob Vogel
BV>> Haven't heard anything on this list for a while.

I've been distracted by work and I've started giving drum lessons on 
Saturday mornings.

BV>> Is it near operable?

I managed to get it recording MIDI from my Roland drum kit.

BV>> How much more needs to be done?

I would like to remove all of the deprecated wxWidgets code.  this means 
I need to convert several dialog boxes to modern wxWidgets.

What functionality were you looking for?

BV>> Thanks in advance for your response.

Thank you.  Your interest will get me looking at this again.

KC = Kevin Cosgrove
KC> I'm still lurking....  ;-)

Hi Kevin.  Hope everyone is well at your place.  Last time we talked 
(over a year ago) you had a sick 4 year old daughter.  Well she is at 
least 5 now ;-)

Pete

Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Status ?

[Kevin C. <ke...@co...>]

I'm still lurking....  ;-)


On 13 October 2009 at 20:23, <vo...@ct...> wrote:

> Hi Peter,
> 
> Haven't heard anything on this list for a while. 
> 
> Is it near operable ? How much more needs to be done ?
> 
> Thanks in advance for your response.
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your
> developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay 
> ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now!
> http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference
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[jazzplusplus-devel] Status ?

[<vo...@ct...>]

Hi Peter,

Haven't heard anything on this list for a while. 

Is it near operable ? How much more needs to be done ?

Thanks in advance for your response.

Bob

Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Long hello

[Pete S. <pst...@gm...>]

BP = Björn Pfeiffer
BP> The CB projects are ready to go. It took some
BP> patches in the source to make it compile and
BP> run but the vc-build is still fine.  I will
BP> pm you the patch and the new project-files soon.

I got them.  I noticed you patched some code that isn't built in the VS 
version.  This got me looking where the deprecated wx prop* stuff was 
used and what it would take to update those UI components.

I just uploaded an old version of Jazz++ so you (and anyone else 
listening who uses a Windows box) could download it to see how the code 
used to work.

Do you think you'll have time to convert any dialog boxes for me?

I'm going to convert the event filter dialog tomorrow.  Maybe that can 
be an example for the conversion process.

Any help converting dialog boxes would be welcome.

Hope everyone has a great new year,
Pete

Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] This time of year again.

[Pete S. <pst...@gm...>]

DM = D.B. Moore wrote:
DM> To all list members;
DM>
DM> A merry Christmas & all best wishes for the festive
DM> and new-year seasons!
DM>
DM> Regards,
DM> Don

Thanks Don.  Same to you.
Pete

Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Long hello

[Björn P. <bjo...@gm...>]

Am 24.12.2008 06:41 schrieb Pete Stieber:
> BP = Björn Pfeiffer
> BP> Meanwhile I have compiled wx with vc9 according
> BP> to instructions on the website.  That VC was
> BP> idling around on my harddisk.  BTW: I had to
> BP> give them my e-mail for registering!!! ;-)
> 
> Wonderful.  Enjoy the Microsoft spam.
> 
> BP> but... I could not wait to see something. Fine.
> BP>
> BP> And: I found a #BUG! :-)
> BP> ...in
> BP> MetronomeSettingsDialog.cpp +85 (constructor)
> BP> Menu: Settings->Metronome
> BP> << mIndexToName is used (indexed [0]) but empty.
> 
> Update.
Did that. Fine.

> BP> As for ansi/unicode: I'll give it a try.
The CB projects are ready to go. It took some patches in the source to 
make it compile and run but the vc-build is still fine.
I will pm you the patch and the new project-files soon.

> BP> Gcc on windows is basically the same as on linux
> BP> but the mingw/codeblocks approach wo wx has
> BP> recently gained much momentum on windows, so
> BP> this might attract more people to jazz++ (how
> BP> many active devs are around here actually?)
> 
> I'm it.
That's fine, the lonesome-cowboy-story. ;-)
While Jazz++ is not 'exactly' the tool I was looking for (and maybe
never will be) I am really eager to get my hands on some music/midi
software project. And this really matches my profile, so to say.
Think I might be in it too now, joining the ride for some part of the 
way at least.

> BP> On the other hand... I don't know what
> BP> release-plans are,
> 
> There aren't any.
Excellent. No schedule, no stress, no panic. A wide open space of
possibilities.

> BP> but by the time jazz++ will be ready for
> BP> prime-time we might also see wx-2.9 -> 3.0
> BP> around. So maybe I'd vote for an
> BP> intermediate branch, but that's not
> BP> really important for now, as you stated.
> BP>
> BP> As for the deprecated proplist-thingy, what
> BP> are your plans on this?
> 
> Replace user interface components that use it with modern wxWidgets 
> controls.
I might take a look into this. Can you give me a quick overview of the
widgets affected?


XMas-Greetings,
Björn

Re: [jazzplusplus-devel] Long hello

[Pete S. <pst...@gm...>]

BP = Björn Pfeiffer
BP> Meanwhile I have compiled wx with vc9 according
BP> to instructions on the website.  That VC was
BP> idling around on my harddisk.  BTW: I had to
BP> give them my e-mail for registering!!! ;-)

Wonderful.  Enjoy the Microsoft spam.

BP> but... I could not wait to see something. Fine.
BP>
BP> And: I found a #BUG! :-)
BP> ...in
BP> MetronomeSettingsDialog.cpp +85 (constructor)
BP> Menu: Settings->Metronome
BP> << mIndexToName is used (indexed [0]) but empty.

Update.

BP> As for ansi/unicode: I'll give it a try.
BP> Gcc on windows is basically the same as on linux
BP> but the mingw/codeblocks approach wo wx has
BP> recently gained much momentum on windows, so
BP> this might attract more people to jazz++ (how
BP> many active devs are around here actually?)

I'm it.

BP> On the other hand... I don't know what
BP> release-plans are,

There aren't any.

BP> but by the time jazz++ will be ready for
BP> prime-time we might also see wx-2.9 -> 3.0
BP> around. So maybe I'd vote for an
BP> intermediate branch, but that's not
BP> really important for now, as you stated.
BP>
BP> As for the deprecated proplist-thingy, what
BP> are your plans on this?

Replace user interface components that use it with modern wxWidgets 
controls.

Pete

[jazzplusplus-devel] This time of year again.

[D.B. M. <db...@ho...>]

To all list members;

A merry Christmas & all best wishes for the festive and new-year seasons!




Regards,

Don






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