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From: bernard l. <be...@do...> - 2002-05-23 05:43:32
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hi guys, this guy is from zimbabwe and works for a research and development company. he showed interest in the project a while ago and i thought i would present to you his proposal for joining the project to see how everyone feels about it. cheers, .b > -----Original Message----- > From: Anton Lokotsch [mailto:alo...@cs...] > Sent: Tuesday, 21 May 2002 11:50 PM > To: be...@do... > Subject: RE: Java AI library progress > > > hi bernard, > > thanks for the detailed information. i trust everything is going well > with the project. i have an idea for future expansion of this java ai > api; i have done quite a lot of work with cbr (case based reasoning) > systems and feel that this would be an excellent machine learning > technique to include in the api later on. the cbr process itself is > fairly simple and would greatly enhance the broader appeal of the java > ai api. i am currently working on a cbr project, more specifically > designing a java frontend for a cbr application which was designed using > one of the cbr shells avialable on the market. i would be willing to > contribute ideas/time and my somewhat limited coding skills to this if > you think it is a good idea. i dont know what funding you have currently > for this project, but i am sure we can try and apply through the many > official channels in an attempt to get some academic/scientific/research > funding to further this project as it certainly is a brilliant idea with > great development potential. > > i look forward to hearing from you, > anton > > ________________________________________________________ > Anton Lokotsch > Software Development Consultant > DSS - Decision Support Sevices Program > iComtek - Information, Communication and Space Technology Division > CSIR - Council for Scientific and Industrial Research > ________________________________________________________ > Meiring Naude Rd > POBOX 385 > Pretoria > South Africa > 0001 > ________________________________________________________ > www.csir.co.za/icomtek > Tel +27-12-841-2889 > Fax +27-12-841-4720 > ________________________________________________________ > > >>> "bernard leckning" <be...@do...> 04/15/02 03:15PM >>> > hi anton, > > thanks for your interest in what i am doing. i have only recently > enlisted > the help of a friend so there isn't an email list as yet. in any case > there > needs to be more doco (i might set up a wiki in the next week or 2). > > i am trying to create an api that allows a developer to easily tap in > to ai > capabilities with only a basic understanding of the ai paradigm he/she > is > using. > > the two paradigms being coded at the moment is a genetic algorithms > api > (based on the design of matt wall's c++ galib - > http://lanceit.mit.edu/ga) > and an artificial neural networks api. > > this means with a few calls to the api you can set up a ga or an ann > simulation. the ga code is getting pretty complicated with all the > types of > genomes that can be implemented and the ann code will be difficult too > as i > am trying to cater to an digraph structured ann as well as > self-organising > maps. > > the best place at the moment to get some details is at > http://javaailibrary.sourceforge.net. i have written some thoughts > about it. > you should then try the javadoc on that page or just look the code > yourself > from the cvs repository - although this is in its very early and rough > stages. > > perhaps after i get a wiki up or some other design doco i want to > really get > some ppl's advice and coding skills. as it will expand from ga's and > ann's > to evolutionary re-inforcement learning (erl) where i will be evolving > neural networks. > > please keep an eye out on our page as i hope to have things ready to > get > other ppl on board. any comments you have are most welcome. > > .bernard > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Anton [mailto:alo...@cs...] > > Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 08:42 > > To: be...@do... > > Subject: Java AI library progress > > > > > > Hi there, > > > > I am very interested in what you guys are doing. Please, I > > would very much like to hear more about what you are doing/ > > planning to do. Do you have a mailing list or something? > > > > Regards, > > Anton > > > |
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From: Alexander W. <al...@ts...> - 2002-05-23 07:36:52
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Interesting idea, I hadn't thought of making the API cover that much ground, but I guess why not. I suppose a GA might be useful in developing a decision tree. Maybe along the lines of evolving behaviour? I don't know, what would be the challenge here is the integration of the different components. How would the GA talk to the CBR or ANN or do you define that as system specific if so is there some help given? Software design issues mainly. alex ----- Original Message ----- From: "bernard leckning" <be...@do...> To: "javaailibrary-development" <jav...@li...> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 3:42 PM Subject: [Java AI Library Development] FW: Java AI library progress > hi guys, > > this guy is from zimbabwe and works for a research and development company. > he showed interest in the project a while ago and i thought i would present > to you his proposal for joining the project to see how everyone feels about > it. > > cheers, > .b > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Anton Lokotsch [mailto:alo...@cs...] > > Sent: Tuesday, 21 May 2002 11:50 PM > > To: be...@do... > > Subject: RE: Java AI library progress > > > > > > hi bernard, > > > > thanks for the detailed information. i trust everything is going well > > with the project. i have an idea for future expansion of this java ai > > api; i have done quite a lot of work with cbr (case based reasoning) > > systems and feel that this would be an excellent machine learning > > technique to include in the api later on. the cbr process itself is > > fairly simple and would greatly enhance the broader appeal of the java > > ai api. i am currently working on a cbr project, more specifically > > designing a java frontend for a cbr application which was designed using > > one of the cbr shells avialable on the market. i would be willing to > > contribute ideas/time and my somewhat limited coding skills to this if > > you think it is a good idea. i dont know what funding you have currently > > for this project, but i am sure we can try and apply through the many > > official channels in an attempt to get some academic/scientific/research > > funding to further this project as it certainly is a brilliant idea with > > great development potential. > > > > i look forward to hearing from you, > > anton > > > > ________________________________________________________ > > Anton Lokotsch > > Software Development Consultant > > DSS - Decision Support Sevices Program > > iComtek - Information, Communication and Space Technology Division > > CSIR - Council for Scientific and Industrial Research > > ________________________________________________________ > > Meiring Naude Rd > > POBOX 385 > > Pretoria > > South Africa > > 0001 > > ________________________________________________________ > > www.csir.co.za/icomtek > > Tel +27-12-841-2889 > > Fax +27-12-841-4720 > > ________________________________________________________ > > > > >>> "bernard leckning" <be...@do...> 04/15/02 03:15PM >>> > > hi anton, > > > > thanks for your interest in what i am doing. i have only recently > > enlisted > > the help of a friend so there isn't an email list as yet. in any case > > there > > needs to be more doco (i might set up a wiki in the next week or 2). > > > > i am trying to create an api that allows a developer to easily tap in > > to ai > > capabilities with only a basic understanding of the ai paradigm he/she > > is > > using. > > > > the two paradigms being coded at the moment is a genetic algorithms > > api > > (based on the design of matt wall's c++ galib - > > http://lanceit.mit.edu/ga) > > and an artificial neural networks api. > > > > this means with a few calls to the api you can set up a ga or an ann > > simulation. the ga code is getting pretty complicated with all the > > types of > > genomes that can be implemented and the ann code will be difficult too > > as i > > am trying to cater to an digraph structured ann as well as > > self-organising > > maps. > > > > the best place at the moment to get some details is at > > http://javaailibrary.sourceforge.net. i have written some thoughts > > about it. > > you should then try the javadoc on that page or just look the code > > yourself > > from the cvs repository - although this is in its very early and rough > > stages. > > > > perhaps after i get a wiki up or some other design doco i want to > > really get > > some ppl's advice and coding skills. as it will expand from ga's and > > ann's > > to evolutionary re-inforcement learning (erl) where i will be evolving > > neural networks. > > > > please keep an eye out on our page as i hope to have things ready to > > get > > other ppl on board. any comments you have are most welcome. > > > > .bernard > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Anton [mailto:alo...@cs...] > > > Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 08:42 > > > To: be...@do... > > > Subject: Java AI library progress > > > > > > > > > Hi there, > > > > > > I am very interested in what you guys are doing. Please, I > > > would very much like to hear more about what you are doing/ > > > planning to do. Do you have a mailing list or something? > > > > > > Regards, > > > Anton > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > Don't miss the 2002 Sprint PCS Application Developer's Conference > August 25-28 in Las Vegas -- http://devcon.sprintpcs.com/adp/index.cfm > > _______________________________________________ > JavaAILibrary-Development mailing list > Jav...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/javaailibrary-development > |
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From: bernard l. <be...@do...> - 2002-05-23 09:34:19
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yeah it is. well i enlarged the scope of this project by calling it the java ai library because, remember, i used to have the dorja neural network library AND the dorja ga library. so i built this project as a framework to hold several api's. i also figured that there would be cross-cutting aspects between many potential api's so this framework allows for common aspects to be centralised and shared. from a software design perspective i have been using the java package framework to seperate concerns and libraries (at a higher level). here's the basics of what we have: com.dorja.ailib.config: common configuration for ALL libraries encapsulated within com.dorja.ailib com.dorja.ailib.util: cross-cutting aspects that can be shared across all api's com.dorja.ailib.ga: the ga api com.dorja.ailib.nn: the neural network api essentially, to introduce cbr, we simply add: com.dorja.ailib.cbr and voila! i may actually ask him if he wants to do it. although he wants to concentrate on a gui, i would ask him to do a cbr framework and a gui since a gui alone would serve no purpose in this project. it should be noted that within api's there are certain conventions that should be adhered to in order to present a coherent set of ai libraries (more on this later). what this package design allows us to do is to give a developer the option of bundling on the api's he/she wishes to use. e.g. a develop only wants to distribute the ga api then he/she includes: com.dorja.ailib.config, com.dorja.ailib.util and com.dorja.ailib.ga. cross-api functionality is one of my main goals - mainly, the ability to evolve neural networks using a ga. this is fairly simple with the ga and nn api design that does not require any new packages at the com.dorja.ailib level or any changes to the com.dorja.ailib.nn api. i won't go into the details here though. but this is dependent on the api design and implementation - the java ai library is merely a framework for bringing it all together. on a side note, it makes no sense to use a ga for evolving a cbr program since genetic programming is better suited to the task - the differences are subtle but quite important. i can't see the use of cbr and ann though?!?! care to enlighten me? later, .b > -----Original Message----- > From: jav...@li... > [mailto:jav...@li...]On Behalf > Of Alexander Whillas > Sent: Thursday, 23 May 2002 5:21 PM > To: jav...@li... > Subject: Re: [Java AI Library Development] FW: Java AI library progress > > > Interesting idea, > > I hadn't thought of making the API cover that much ground, but I guess why > not. I suppose a GA might be useful in developing a decision tree. Maybe > along the lines of evolving behaviour? I don't know, what would be the > challenge here is the integration of the different components. > How would the > GA talk to the CBR or ANN or do you define that as system > specific if so is > there some help given? Software design issues mainly. > > alex > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bernard leckning" <be...@do...> > To: "javaailibrary-development" > <jav...@li...> > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 3:42 PM > Subject: [Java AI Library Development] FW: Java AI library progress > > > > hi guys, > > > > this guy is from zimbabwe and works for a research and development > company. > > he showed interest in the project a while ago and i thought i would > present > > to you his proposal for joining the project to see how everyone feels > about > > it. > > > > cheers, > > .b > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Anton Lokotsch [mailto:alo...@cs...] > > > Sent: Tuesday, 21 May 2002 11:50 PM > > > To: be...@do... > > > Subject: RE: Java AI library progress > > > > > > > > > hi bernard, > > > > > > thanks for the detailed information. i trust everything is going well > > > with the project. i have an idea for future expansion of this java ai > > > api; i have done quite a lot of work with cbr (case based reasoning) > > > systems and feel that this would be an excellent machine learning > > > technique to include in the api later on. the cbr process itself is > > > fairly simple and would greatly enhance the broader appeal of the java > > > ai api. i am currently working on a cbr project, more specifically > > > designing a java frontend for a cbr application which was > designed using > > > one of the cbr shells avialable on the market. i would be willing to > > > contribute ideas/time and my somewhat limited coding skills to this if > > > you think it is a good idea. i dont know what funding you > have currently > > > for this project, but i am sure we can try and apply through the many > > > official channels in an attempt to get some > academic/scientific/research > > > funding to further this project as it certainly is a > brilliant idea with > > > great development potential. > > > > > > i look forward to hearing from you, > > > anton > > > > > > ________________________________________________________ > > > Anton Lokotsch > > > Software Development Consultant > > > DSS - Decision Support Sevices Program > > > iComtek - Information, Communication and Space Technology Division > > > CSIR - Council for Scientific and Industrial Research > > > ________________________________________________________ > > > Meiring Naude Rd > > > POBOX 385 > > > Pretoria > > > South Africa > > > 0001 > > > ________________________________________________________ > > > www.csir.co.za/icomtek > > > Tel +27-12-841-2889 > > > Fax +27-12-841-4720 > > > ________________________________________________________ > > > > > > >>> "bernard leckning" <be...@do...> 04/15/02 03:15PM >>> > > > hi anton, > > > > > > thanks for your interest in what i am doing. i have only recently > > > enlisted > > > the help of a friend so there isn't an email list as yet. in any case > > > there > > > needs to be more doco (i might set up a wiki in the next week or 2). > > > > > > i am trying to create an api that allows a developer to easily tap in > > > to ai > > > capabilities with only a basic understanding of the ai paradigm he/she > > > is > > > using. > > > > > > the two paradigms being coded at the moment is a genetic algorithms > > > api > > > (based on the design of matt wall's c++ galib - > > > http://lanceit.mit.edu/ga) > > > and an artificial neural networks api. > > > > > > this means with a few calls to the api you can set up a ga or an ann > > > simulation. the ga code is getting pretty complicated with all the > > > types of > > > genomes that can be implemented and the ann code will be difficult too > > > as i > > > am trying to cater to an digraph structured ann as well as > > > self-organising > > > maps. > > > > > > the best place at the moment to get some details is at > > > http://javaailibrary.sourceforge.net. i have written some thoughts > > > about it. > > > you should then try the javadoc on that page or just look the code > > > yourself > > > from the cvs repository - although this is in its very early and rough > > > stages. > > > > > > perhaps after i get a wiki up or some other design doco i want to > > > really get > > > some ppl's advice and coding skills. as it will expand from ga's and > > > ann's > > > to evolutionary re-inforcement learning (erl) where i will be evolving > > > neural networks. > > > > > > please keep an eye out on our page as i hope to have things ready to > > > get > > > other ppl on board. any comments you have are most welcome. > > > > > > .bernard > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Anton [mailto:alo...@cs...] > > > > Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 08:42 > > > > To: be...@do... > > > > Subject: Java AI library progress > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi there, > > > > > > > > I am very interested in what you guys are doing. Please, I > > > > would very much like to hear more about what you are doing/ > > > > planning to do. Do you have a mailing list or something? > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Anton > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > > > Don't miss the 2002 Sprint PCS Application Developer's Conference > > August 25-28 in Las Vegas -- http://devcon.sprintpcs.com/adp/index.cfm > > > > _______________________________________________ > > JavaAILibrary-Development mailing list > > Jav...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/javaailibrary-development > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > Don't miss the 2002 Sprint PCS Application Developer's Conference > August 25-28 in Las Vegas -- http://devcon.sprintpcs.com/adp/index.cfm > > _______________________________________________ > JavaAILibrary-Development mailing list > Jav...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/javaailibrary-development > |
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From: Alexander W. <al...@ts...> - 2002-05-24 05:28:23
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yeah sure I guess, Let him go for it. Why not get him on this list? alex ----- Original Message ----- From: "bernard leckning" <be...@do...> To: <jav...@li...> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 7:32 PM Subject: RE: [Java AI Library Development] FW: Java AI library progress > yeah it is. > > well i enlarged the scope of this project by calling it the java ai library > because, remember, i used to have the dorja neural network library AND the > dorja ga library. so i built this project as a framework to hold several > api's. i also figured that there would be cross-cutting aspects between many > potential api's so this framework allows for common aspects to be > centralised and shared. > > from a software design perspective i have been using the java package > framework to seperate concerns and libraries (at a higher level). here's the > basics of what we have: > > com.dorja.ailib.config: common configuration for ALL libraries encapsulated > within com.dorja.ailib > com.dorja.ailib.util: cross-cutting aspects that can be shared across all > api's > > com.dorja.ailib.ga: the ga api > com.dorja.ailib.nn: the neural network api > > essentially, to introduce cbr, we simply add: > > com.dorja.ailib.cbr > > and voila! > > i may actually ask him if he wants to do it. although he wants to > concentrate on a gui, i would ask him to do a cbr framework and a gui since > a gui alone would serve no purpose in this project. > > it should be noted that within api's there are certain conventions that > should be adhered to in order to present a coherent set of ai libraries > (more on this later). > > what this package design allows us to do is to give a developer the option > of bundling on the api's he/she wishes to use. e.g. a develop only wants to > distribute the ga api then he/she includes: > > com.dorja.ailib.config, com.dorja.ailib.util and com.dorja.ailib.ga. > > cross-api functionality is one of my main goals - mainly, the ability to > evolve neural networks using a ga. this is fairly simple with the ga and nn > api design that does not require any new packages at the com.dorja.ailib > level or any changes to the com.dorja.ailib.nn api. i won't go into the > details here though. but this is dependent on the api design and > implementation - the java ai library is merely a framework for bringing it > all together. > > on a side note, it makes no sense to use a ga for evolving a cbr program > since genetic programming is better suited to the task - the differences are > subtle but quite important. i can't see the use of cbr and ann though?!?! > care to enlighten me? > > later, > .b > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jav...@li... > > [mailto:jav...@li...]On Behalf > > Of Alexander Whillas > > Sent: Thursday, 23 May 2002 5:21 PM > > To: jav...@li... > > Subject: Re: [Java AI Library Development] FW: Java AI library progress > > > > > > Interesting idea, > > > > I hadn't thought of making the API cover that much ground, but I guess why > > not. I suppose a GA might be useful in developing a decision tree. Maybe > > along the lines of evolving behaviour? I don't know, what would be the > > challenge here is the integration of the different components. > > How would the > > GA talk to the CBR or ANN or do you define that as system > > specific if so is > > there some help given? Software design issues mainly. > > > > alex > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "bernard leckning" <be...@do...> > > To: "javaailibrary-development" > > <jav...@li...> > > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 3:42 PM > > Subject: [Java AI Library Development] FW: Java AI library progress > > > > > > > hi guys, > > > > > > this guy is from zimbabwe and works for a research and development > > company. > > > he showed interest in the project a while ago and i thought i would > > present > > > to you his proposal for joining the project to see how everyone feels > > about > > > it. > > > > > > cheers, > > > .b > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Anton Lokotsch [mailto:alo...@cs...] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, 21 May 2002 11:50 PM > > > > To: be...@do... > > > > Subject: RE: Java AI library progress > > > > > > > > > > > > hi bernard, > > > > > > > > thanks for the detailed information. i trust everything is going well > > > > with the project. i have an idea for future expansion of this java ai > > > > api; i have done quite a lot of work with cbr (case based reasoning) > > > > systems and feel that this would be an excellent machine learning > > > > technique to include in the api later on. the cbr process itself is > > > > fairly simple and would greatly enhance the broader appeal of the java > > > > ai api. i am currently working on a cbr project, more specifically > > > > designing a java frontend for a cbr application which was > > designed using > > > > one of the cbr shells avialable on the market. i would be willing to > > > > contribute ideas/time and my somewhat limited coding skills to this if > > > > you think it is a good idea. i dont know what funding you > > have currently > > > > for this project, but i am sure we can try and apply through the many > > > > official channels in an attempt to get some > > academic/scientific/research > > > > funding to further this project as it certainly is a > > brilliant idea with > > > > great development potential. > > > > > > > > i look forward to hearing from you, > > > > anton > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________ > > > > Anton Lokotsch > > > > Software Development Consultant > > > > DSS - Decision Support Sevices Program > > > > iComtek - Information, Communication and Space Technology Division > > > > CSIR - Council for Scientific and Industrial Research > > > > ________________________________________________________ > > > > Meiring Naude Rd > > > > POBOX 385 > > > > Pretoria > > > > South Africa > > > > 0001 > > > > ________________________________________________________ > > > > www.csir.co.za/icomtek > > > > Tel +27-12-841-2889 > > > > Fax +27-12-841-4720 > > > > ________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > >>> "bernard leckning" <be...@do...> 04/15/02 03:15PM >>> > > > > hi anton, > > > > > > > > thanks for your interest in what i am doing. i have only recently > > > > enlisted > > > > the help of a friend so there isn't an email list as yet. in any case > > > > there > > > > needs to be more doco (i might set up a wiki in the next week or 2). > > > > > > > > i am trying to create an api that allows a developer to easily tap in > > > > to ai > > > > capabilities with only a basic understanding of the ai paradigm he/she > > > > is > > > > using. > > > > > > > > the two paradigms being coded at the moment is a genetic algorithms > > > > api > > > > (based on the design of matt wall's c++ galib - > > > > http://lanceit.mit.edu/ga) > > > > and an artificial neural networks api. > > > > > > > > this means with a few calls to the api you can set up a ga or an ann > > > > simulation. the ga code is getting pretty complicated with all the > > > > types of > > > > genomes that can be implemented and the ann code will be difficult too > > > > as i > > > > am trying to cater to an digraph structured ann as well as > > > > self-organising > > > > maps. > > > > > > > > the best place at the moment to get some details is at > > > > http://javaailibrary.sourceforge.net. i have written some thoughts > > > > about it. > > > > you should then try the javadoc on that page or just look the code > > > > yourself > > > > from the cvs repository - although this is in its very early and rough > > > > stages. > > > > > > > > perhaps after i get a wiki up or some other design doco i want to > > > > really get > > > > some ppl's advice and coding skills. as it will expand from ga's and > > > > ann's > > > > to evolutionary re-inforcement learning (erl) where i will be evolving > > > > neural networks. > > > > > > > > please keep an eye out on our page as i hope to have things ready to > > > > get > > > > other ppl on board. any comments you have are most welcome. > > > > > > > > .bernard > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Anton [mailto:alo...@cs...] > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 08:42 > > > > > To: be...@do... > > > > > Subject: Java AI library progress > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi there, > > > > > > > > > > I am very interested in what you guys are doing. Please, I > > > > > would very much like to hear more about what you are doing/ > > > > > planning to do. Do you have a mailing list or something? > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Anton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > > > > > Don't miss the 2002 Sprint PCS Application Developer's Conference > > > August 25-28 in Las Vegas -- http://devcon.sprintpcs.com/adp/index.cfm > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > JavaAILibrary-Development mailing list > > > Jav...@li... > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/javaailibrary-development > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > > > Don't miss the 2002 Sprint PCS Application Developer's Conference > > August 25-28 in Las Vegas -- http://devcon.sprintpcs.com/adp/index.cfm > > > > _______________________________________________ > > JavaAILibrary-Development mailing list > > Jav...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/javaailibrary-development > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > Don't miss the 2002 Sprint PCS Application Developer's Conference > August 25-28 in Las Vegas -- http://devcon.sprintpcs.com/adp/index.cfm > > _______________________________________________ > JavaAILibrary-Development mailing list > Jav...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/javaailibrary-development > |
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From: bertrand m. <ich...@tw...> - 2002-05-24 22:02:32
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Hi guys I tried to catch up reading the last emails about Anton and the cbr, and=20 the framework of the api. I still can't spend lot of time thinking about=20 that as my last exam is next monday, but I noticed that you were talking=20 about a gui for the project. Does it make sense to develop a gui for that ?= =20 i thought it was about developping an api to run ai functionalities but not= =20 a proper software with it's own gui. Anyway tell me about that, maybe I=20 didn't get everything. I think it could be helpful to chat with one of you= =20 next week to get started and see things more clearly, because right now=20 system programming for uni is badly clouding my vision of the AI project :)= =20 Is the architecture for the NN done or about ? have a good week end cool geeks ! Ichab. At 15:28 24/05/2002 +1000, you wrote: >yeah sure I guess, Let him go for it. Why not get him on this list? > >alex >----- Original Message ----- >From: "bernard leckning" <be...@do...> >To: <jav...@li...> >Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 7:32 PM >Subject: RE: [Java AI Library Development] FW: Java AI library progress > > > > yeah it is. > > > > well i enlarged the scope of this project by calling it the java ai >library > > because, remember, i used to have the dorja neural network library AND= the > > dorja ga library. so i built this project as a framework to hold several > > api's. i also figured that there would be cross-cutting aspects between >many > > potential api's so this framework allows for common aspects to be > > centralised and shared. > > > > from a software design perspective i have been using the java package > > framework to seperate concerns and libraries (at a higher level). here's >the > > basics of what we have: > > > > com.dorja.ailib.config: common configuration for ALL libraries >encapsulated > > within com.dorja.ailib > > com.dorja.ailib.util: cross-cutting aspects that can be shared across= all > > api's > > > > com.dorja.ailib.ga: the ga api > > com.dorja.ailib.nn: the neural network api > > > > essentially, to introduce cbr, we simply add: > > > > com.dorja.ailib.cbr > > > > and voila! > > > > i may actually ask him if he wants to do it. although he wants to > > concentrate on a gui, i would ask him to do a cbr framework and a gui >since > > a gui alone would serve no purpose in this project. > > > > it should be noted that within api's there are certain conventions that > > should be adhered to in order to present a coherent set of ai libraries > > (more on this later). > > > > what this package design allows us to do is to give a developer the= option > > of bundling on the api's he/she wishes to use. e.g. a develop only wants >to > > distribute the ga api then he/she includes: > > > > com.dorja.ailib.config, com.dorja.ailib.util and com.dorja.ailib.ga. > > > > cross-api functionality is one of my main goals - mainly, the ability to > > evolve neural networks using a ga. this is fairly simple with the ga and >nn > > api design that does not require any new packages at the com.dorja.ailib > > level or any changes to the com.dorja.ailib.nn api. i won't go into the > > details here though. but this is dependent on the api design and > > implementation - the java ai library is merely a framework for bringing= it > > all together. > > > > on a side note, it makes no sense to use a ga for evolving a cbr program > > since genetic programming is better suited to the task - the differences >are > > subtle but quite important. i can't see the use of cbr and ann= though?!?! > > care to enlighten me? > > > > later, > > .b > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: jav...@li... > > > [mailto:jav...@li...]On= Behalf > > > Of Alexander Whillas > > > Sent: Thursday, 23 May 2002 5:21 PM > > > To: jav...@li... > > > Subject: Re: [Java AI Library Development] FW: Java AI library= progress > > > > > > > > > Interesting idea, > > > > > > I hadn't thought of making the API cover that much ground, but I guess >why > > > not. I suppose a GA might be useful in developing a decision tree.= Maybe > > > along the lines of evolving behaviour? I don't know, what would be the > > > challenge here is the integration of the different components. > > > How would the > > > GA talk to the CBR or ANN or do you define that as system > > > specific if so is > > > there some help given? Software design issues mainly. > > > > > > alex > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "bernard leckning" <be...@do...> > > > To: "javaailibrary-development" > > > <jav...@li...> > > > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 3:42 PM > > > Subject: [Java AI Library Development] FW: Java AI library progress > > > > > > > > > > hi guys, > > > > > > > > this guy is from zimbabwe and works for a research and development > > > company. > > > > he showed interest in the project a while ago and i thought i would > > > present > > > > to you his proposal for joining the project to see how everyone= feels > > > about > > > > it. > > > > > > > > cheers, > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Anton Lokotsch [mailto:alo...@cs...] > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, 21 May 2002 11:50 PM > > > > > To: be...@do... > > > > > Subject: RE: Java AI library progress > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hi bernard, > > > > > > > > > > thanks for the detailed information. i trust everything is going >well > > > > > with the project. i have an idea for future expansion of this java >ai > > > > > api; i have done quite a lot of work with cbr (case based >reasoning) > > > > > systems and feel that this would be an excellent machine learning > > > > > technique to include in the api later on. the cbr process itself= is > > > > > fairly simple and would greatly enhance the broader appeal of the >java > > > > > ai api. i am currently working on a cbr project, more specifically > > > > > designing a java frontend for a cbr application which was > > > designed using > > > > > one of the cbr shells avialable on the market. i would be willing >to > > > > > contribute ideas/time and my somewhat limited coding skills to= this >if > > > > > you think it is a good idea. i dont know what funding you > > > have currently > > > > > for this project, but i am sure we can try and apply through the >many > > > > > official channels in an attempt to get some > > > academic/scientific/research > > > > > funding to further this project as it certainly is a > > > brilliant idea with > > > > > great development potential. > > > > > > > > > > i look forward to hearing from you, > > > > > anton > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________ > > > > > Anton Lokotsch > > > > > Software Development Consultant > > > > > DSS - Decision Support Sevices Program > > > > > iComtek - Information, Communication and Space Technology Division > > > > > CSIR - Council for Scientific and Industrial Research > > > > > ________________________________________________________ > > > > > Meiring Naude Rd > > > > > POBOX 385 > > > > > Pretoria > > > > > South Africa > > > > > 0001 > > > > > ________________________________________________________ > > > > > www.csir.co.za/icomtek > > > > > Tel +27-12-841-2889 > > > > > Fax +27-12-841-4720 > > > > > ________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > >>> "bernard leckning" <be...@do...> 04/15/02 03:15PM >>> > > > > > hi anton, > > > > > > > > > > thanks for your interest in what i am doing. i have only recently > > > > > enlisted > > > > > the help of a friend so there isn't an email list as yet. in any >case > > > > > there > > > > > needs to be more doco (i might set up a wiki in the next week or= 2). > > > > > > > > > > i am trying to create an api that allows a developer to easily tap >in > > > > > to ai > > > > > capabilities with only a basic understanding of the ai paradigm >he/she > > > > > is > > > > > using. > > > > > > > > > > the two paradigms being coded at the moment is a genetic= algorithms > > > > > api > > > > > (based on the design of matt wall's c++ galib - > > > > > http://lanceit.mit.edu/ga) > > > > > and an artificial neural networks api. > > > > > > > > > > this means with a few calls to the api you can set up a ga or an= ann > > > > > simulation. the ga code is getting pretty complicated with all the > > > > > types of > > > > > genomes that can be implemented and the ann code will be difficult >too > > > > > as i > > > > > am trying to cater to an digraph structured ann as well as > > > > > self-organising > > > > > maps. > > > > > > > > > > the best place at the moment to get some details is at > > > > > http://javaailibrary.sourceforge.net. i have written some thoughts > > > > > about it. > > > > > you should then try the javadoc on that page or just look the code > > > > > yourself > > > > > from the cvs repository - although this is in its very early and >rough > > > > > stages. > > > > > > > > > > perhaps after i get a wiki up or some other design doco i want to > > > > > really get > > > > > some ppl's advice and coding skills. as it will expand from ga's= and > > > > > ann's > > > > > to evolutionary re-inforcement learning (erl) where i will be >evolving > > > > > neural networks. > > > > > > > > > > please keep an eye out on our page as i hope to have things ready= to > > > > > get > > > > > other ppl on board. any comments you have are most welcome. > > > > > > > > > > .bernard > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Anton [mailto:alo...@cs...] > > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 08:42 > > > > > > To: be...@do... > > > > > > Subject: Java AI library progress > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi there, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am very interested in what you guys are doing. Please, I > > > > > > would very much like to hear more about what you are doing/ > > > > > > planning to do. Do you have a mailing list or something? > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Anton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > Don't miss the 2002 Sprint PCS Application Developer's Conference > > > > August 25-28 in Las Vegas --= http://devcon.sprintpcs.com/adp/index.cfm > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > JavaAILibrary-Development mailing list > > > > Jav...@li... > > > >= https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/javaailibrary-development > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > > > > > Don't miss the 2002 Sprint PCS Application Developer's Conference > > > August 25-28 in Las Vegas -- http://devcon.sprintpcs.com/adp/index.cfm > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > JavaAILibrary-Development mailing list > > > Jav...@li... > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/javaailibrary-development > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > > > Don't miss the 2002 Sprint PCS Application Developer's Conference > > August 25-28 in Las Vegas -- http://devcon.sprintpcs.com/adp/index.cfm > > > > _______________________________________________ > > JavaAILibrary-Development mailing list > > Jav...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/javaailibrary-development > > > > >_______________________________________________________________ > >Don't miss the 2002 Sprint PCS Application Developer's Conference >August 25-28 in Las Vegas -- http://devcon.sprintpcs.com/adp/index.cfm > >_______________________________________________ >JavaAILibrary-Development mailing list >Jav...@li... >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/javaailibrary-development Bertrand Moulard D=E9veloppement Java +33 5 53 24 75 34 |
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i have been looking at the architecture of the ann api and it is likely t= hat it will be redone a little - there are some redundant looking association= s and other which look inefficient and inflexible. will let you know when this is done. .b -----Original Message----- From: jav...@li... [mailto:jav...@li...]On Behalf O= f bertrand moulard Sent: Saturday, 25 May 2002 8:06 AM To: jav...@li... Subject: Re: [Java AI Library Development] FW: Java AI library progress Hi guys I tried to catch up reading the last emails about Anton and the cbr, and = the framework of the api. I still can't spend lot of time thinking about that= as my last exam is next monday, but I noticed that you were talking about a = gui for the project. Does it make sense to develop a gui for that ? i thought= it was about developping an api to run ai functionalities but not a proper software with it's own gui. Anyway tell me about that, maybe I didn't get everything. I think it could be helpful to chat with one of you next week= to get started and see things more clearly, because right now system programming for uni is badly clouding my vision of the AI project :) Is t= he architecture for the NN done or about ? have a good week end cool geeks ! Ichab. At 15:28 24/05/2002 +1000, you wrote: yeah sure I guess, Let him go for it. Why not get him on this list? alex ----- Original Message ----- From: "bernard leckning" <be...@do...> To: <jav...@li...> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 7:32 PM Subject: RE: [Java AI Library Development] FW: Java AI library progress > yeah it is. > > well i enlarged the scope of this project by calling it the java ai library > because, remember, i used to have the dorja neural network library AND = the > dorja ga library. so i built this project as a framework to hold severa= l > api's. i also figured that there would be cross-cutting aspects between many > potential api's so this framework allows for common aspects to be > centralised and shared. > > from a software design perspective i have been using the java package > framework to seperate concerns and libraries (at a higher level). here'= s the > basics of what we have: > > com.dorja.ailib.config: common configuration for ALL libraries encapsulated > within com.dorja.ailib > com.dorja.ailib.util: cross-cutting aspects that can be shared across a= ll > api's > > com.dorja.ailib.ga: the ga api > com.dorja.ailib.nn: the neural network api > > essentially, to introduce cbr, we simply add: > > com.dorja.ailib.cbr > > and voila! > > i may actually ask him if he wants to do it. although he wants to > concentrate on a gui, i would ask him to do a cbr framework and a gui since > a gui alone would serve no purpose in this project. > > it should be noted that within api's there are certain conventions that > should be adhered to in order to present a coherent set of ai libraries > (more on this later). > > what this package design allows us to do is to give a developer the opt= ion > of bundling on the api's he/she wishes to use. e.g. a develop only want= s to > distribute the ga api then he/she includes: > > com.dorja.ailib.config, com.dorja.ailib.util and com.dorja.ailib.ga. > > cross-api functionality is one of my main goals - mainly, the ability t= o > evolve neural networks using a ga. this is fairly simple with the ga an= d nn > api design that does not require any new packages at the com.dorja.aili= b > level or any changes to the com.dorja.ailib.nn api. i won't go into the > details here though. but this is dependent on the api design and > implementation - the java ai library is merely a framework for bringing= it > all together. > > on a side note, it makes no sense to use a ga for evolving a cbr progra= m > since genetic programming is better suited to the task - the difference= s are > subtle but quite important. i can't see the use of cbr and ann though?!= ?! > care to enlighten me? > > later, > .b > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jav...@li... > > [mailto:jav...@li...]On Beha= lf > > Of Alexander Whillas > > Sent: Thursday, 23 May 2002 5:21 PM > > To: jav...@li... > > Subject: Re: [Java AI Library Development] FW: Java AI library progre= ss > > > > > > Interesting idea, > > > > I hadn't thought of making the API cover that much ground, but I gues= s why > > not. I suppose a GA might be useful in developing a decision tree. Ma= ybe > > along the lines of evolving behaviour? I don't know, what would be th= e > > challenge here is the integration of the different components. > > How would the > > GA talk to the CBR or ANN or do you define that as system > > specific if so is > > there some help given? Software design issues mainly. > > > > alex > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "bernard leckning" <be...@do...> > > To: "javaailibrary-development" > > <jav...@li...> > > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 3:42 PM > > Subject: [Java AI Library Development] FW: Java AI library progress > > > > > > > hi guys, > > > > > > this guy is from zimbabwe and works for a research and development > > company. > > > he showed interest in the project a while ago and i thought i would > > present > > > to you his proposal for joining the project to see how everyone fee= ls > > about > > > it. > > > > > > cheers, > > > .b > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Anton Lokotsch [mailto:alo...@cs...] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, 21 May 2002 11:50 PM > > > > To: be...@do... > > > > Subject: RE: Java AI library progress > > > > > > > > > > > > hi bernard, > > > > > > > > thanks for the detailed information. i trust everything is going well > > > > with the project. i have an idea for future expansion of this jav= a ai > > > > api; i have done quite a lot of work with cbr (case based reasoning) > > > > systems and feel that this would be an excellent machine learning > > > > technique to include in the api later on. the cbr process itself= is > > > > fairly simple and would greatly enhance the broader appeal of the java > > > > ai api. i am currently working on a cbr project, more specificall= y > > > > designing a java frontend for a cbr application which was > > designed using > > > > one of the cbr shells avialable on the market. i would be willin= g to > > > > contribute ideas/time and my somewhat limited coding skills to th= is if > > > > you think it is a good idea. i dont know what funding you > > have currently > > > > for this project, but i am sure we can try and apply through the many > > > > official channels in an attempt to get some > > academic/scientific/research > > > > funding to further this project as it certainly is a > > brilliant idea with > > > > great development potential. > > > > > > > > i look forward to hearing from you, > > > > anton > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________ > > > > Anton Lokotsch > > > > Software Development Consultant > > > > DSS - Decision Support Sevices Program > > > > iComtek - Information, Communication and Space Technology Divisio= n > > > > CSIR - Council for Scientific and Industrial Research > > > > ________________________________________________________ > > > > Meiring Naude Rd > > > > POBOX 385 > > > > Pretoria > > > > South Africa > > > > 0001 > > > > ________________________________________________________ > > > > www.csir.co.za/icomtek > > > > Tel +27-12-841-2889 > > > > Fax +27-12-841-4720 > > > > ________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > >>> "bernard leckning" <be...@do...> 04/15/02 03:15PM >>> > > > > hi anton, > > > > > > > > thanks for your interest in what i am doing. i have only recently > > > > enlisted > > > > the help of a friend so there isn't an email list as yet. in any case > > > > there > > > > needs to be more doco (i might set up a wiki in the next week or = 2). > > > > > > > > i am trying to create an api that allows a developer to easily ta= p in > > > > to ai > > > > capabilities with only a basic understanding of the ai paradigm he/she > > > > is > > > > using. > > > > > > > > the two paradigms being coded at the moment is a genetic algorith= ms > > > > api > > > > (based on the design of matt wall's c++ galib - > > > > http://lanceit.mit.edu/ga) > > > > and an artificial neural networks api. > > > > > > > > this means with a few calls to the api you can set up a ga or an = ann > > > > simulation. the ga code is getting pretty complicated with all th= e > > > > types of > > > > genomes that can be implemented and the ann code will be difficul= t too > > > > as i > > > > am trying to cater to an digraph structured ann as well as > > > > self-organising > > > > maps. > > > > > > > > the best place at the moment to get some details is at > > > > http://javaailibrary.sourceforge.net. i have written some thought= s > > > > about it. > > > > you should then try the javadoc on that page or just look the cod= e > > > > yourself > > > > from the cvs repository - although this is in its very early and rough > > > > stages. > > > > > > > > perhaps after i get a wiki up or some other design doco i want to > > > > really get > > > > some ppl's advice and coding skills. as it will expand from ga's = and > > > > ann's > > > > to evolutionary re-inforcement learning (erl) where i will be evolving > > > > neural networks. > > > > > > > > please keep an eye out on our page as i hope to have things ready= to > > > > get > > > > other ppl on board. any comments you have are most welcome. > > > > > > > > .bernard > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Anton [mailto:alo...@cs...] > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 08:42 > > > > > To: be...@do... > > > > > Subject: Java AI library progress > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi there, > > > > > > > > > > I am very interested in what you guys are doing. Please, I > > > > > would very much like to hear more about what you are doing/ > > > > > planning to do. Do you have a mailing list or something? > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Anton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > > > > > Don't miss the 2002 Sprint PCS Application Developer's Conference > > > August 25-28 in Las Vegas -- http://devcon.sprintpcs.com/adp/index.= cfm > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > JavaAILibrary-Development mailing list > > > Jav...@li... > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/javaailibrary-developm= ent > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > > > Don't miss the 2002 Sprint PCS Application Developer's Conference > > August 25-28 in Las Vegas -- http://devcon.sprintpcs.com/adp/index.cf= m > > > > _______________________________________________ > > JavaAILibrary-Development mailing list > > Jav...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/javaailibrary-developmen= t > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > Don't miss the 2002 Sprint PCS Application Developer's Conference > August 25-28 in Las Vegas -- http://devcon.sprintpcs.com/adp/index.cfm > > _______________________________________________ > JavaAILibrary-Development mailing list > Jav...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/javaailibrary-development > _______________________________________________________________ Don't miss the 2002 Sprint PCS Application Developer's Conference August 25-28 in Las Vegas -- http://devcon.sprintpcs.com/adp/index.cfm _______________________________________________ JavaAILibrary-Development mailing list Jav...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/javaailibrary-development Bertrand Moulard D=E9veloppement Java +33 5 53 24 75 34 |
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