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From: bernard l. <be...@do...> - 2002-09-26 10:53:35
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that java ai library has undergone some significant changes in the past week. these are listed below: 1) new name for the library/api given the rather convoluted name of the library and api, i have decided to rename it to JAI - which is essentially Java Artificial Intelligence Library API shortened and abbreviated. 2) new "root" package to coincide with the renaming of the api, the root package is now "jai". therefore the ga api is found in jai.ga, the nn api found in jai.nn and so on. 3) introduction of junit testing framework i'm pretty impressed with junit as a rapid and flexible testing framework and have now converted all existing test harnesses to junit test suits and test cases. this has been fairly straightforward. understanding junit is very easy as it follows some standard design patterns and is not bloated (few classes and very little code). it's all in the design of the junit framework. more on it can be found at http://www.junit.org. this conversion means you need to include the junit.jar file in your classpath - which in fact is already done for you if you wish to use the prefabricated ant build files in the jai cvs repository (see below) 4) introduction of ant as the jai build management tool ant is cool. that's all. i have created an ant "build" system by creating two ant xml files: build.xml and targets.xml. the targets.xml file contains the project targets. these will normally not change much unless the jai architecture changes radically. in here you will see the targets that clean the build environment, compile the source, build a distribution (jar file creation) and create javadoc. the build.xml file contains user/system specific properties used in targets.xml. these properties relate to many things such as class path elements, build directories, source code directories, javadoc generatino output directory, distribution directory and other javadoc system/user dependent properties. therefore, the build.xml file needs to be configured to each developers build environment (i.e. your computer where you are developing and building jai). the build.xml file is well documented showing exactly what behaviour each property relates to. when you have a local copy of the build.xml file and you wish to use ant (it is entirely optional) simply change these properties to suit your build environment and voila! ant will be operating for your local copy of the jai source code. ant can be found at http://jakarta.apache.org/ant. i can answer any questions relating to any of these changes. one last thing. the ga api development is close to completion. the code is not necessarily working properly but many major bugs have been sorted. this only leaves the coding of a couple of core elements of the api as well as other choices for each element in the api (i.e. different genomes, different ga's, etc). the nn api is up for grabs. i have started some coding and hopefully the idea of how i was thinking it should look is obvious enough. i open it up to complete recoding or simply continuing the work i have started. only a couple of conventions need to be adhered to which are not all that dificult. i can explain these to anyone who wishes to undertake the coding of this api. ok.....that's it for now :P .b |
From: bernard l. <be...@do...> - 2002-05-31 06:27:01
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have updated the doco: http://javaailibrary.sourceforge.net am also thinking of freezing development so that i can recode certain aspects using AspectJ - aspect-oriented version of Java. this would be really helpful for exception handling and logging as well as other utility functionality. the only downside is that the .class files become bigger.....oh well! .b |
From: bernard l. <be...@do...> - 2002-05-27 07:23:40
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I have added two pieces of documentation to the sourceforge document repository: one about using the Ant build files found in the CVS repository and the other which describes the dependencies required for the project. enjoy!! .b |
From: bernard l. <be...@do...> - 2002-05-26 08:56:42
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i have been looking at the architecture of the ann api and it is likely t= hat it will be redone a little - there are some redundant looking association= s and other which look inefficient and inflexible. will let you know when this is done. .b -----Original Message----- From: jav...@li... [mailto:jav...@li...]On Behalf O= f bertrand moulard Sent: Saturday, 25 May 2002 8:06 AM To: jav...@li... Subject: Re: [Java AI Library Development] FW: Java AI library progress Hi guys I tried to catch up reading the last emails about Anton and the cbr, and = the framework of the api. I still can't spend lot of time thinking about that= as my last exam is next monday, but I noticed that you were talking about a = gui for the project. Does it make sense to develop a gui for that ? i thought= it was about developping an api to run ai functionalities but not a proper software with it's own gui. Anyway tell me about that, maybe I didn't get everything. I think it could be helpful to chat with one of you next week= to get started and see things more clearly, because right now system programming for uni is badly clouding my vision of the AI project :) Is t= he architecture for the NN done or about ? have a good week end cool geeks ! Ichab. At 15:28 24/05/2002 +1000, you wrote: yeah sure I guess, Let him go for it. Why not get him on this list? alex ----- Original Message ----- From: "bernard leckning" <be...@do...> To: <jav...@li...> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 7:32 PM Subject: RE: [Java AI Library Development] FW: Java AI library progress > yeah it is. > > well i enlarged the scope of this project by calling it the java ai library > because, remember, i used to have the dorja neural network library AND = the > dorja ga library. so i built this project as a framework to hold severa= l > api's. i also figured that there would be cross-cutting aspects between many > potential api's so this framework allows for common aspects to be > centralised and shared. > > from a software design perspective i have been using the java package > framework to seperate concerns and libraries (at a higher level). here'= s the > basics of what we have: > > com.dorja.ailib.config: common configuration for ALL libraries encapsulated > within com.dorja.ailib > com.dorja.ailib.util: cross-cutting aspects that can be shared across a= ll > api's > > com.dorja.ailib.ga: the ga api > com.dorja.ailib.nn: the neural network api > > essentially, to introduce cbr, we simply add: > > com.dorja.ailib.cbr > > and voila! > > i may actually ask him if he wants to do it. although he wants to > concentrate on a gui, i would ask him to do a cbr framework and a gui since > a gui alone would serve no purpose in this project. > > it should be noted that within api's there are certain conventions that > should be adhered to in order to present a coherent set of ai libraries > (more on this later). > > what this package design allows us to do is to give a developer the opt= ion > of bundling on the api's he/she wishes to use. e.g. a develop only want= s to > distribute the ga api then he/she includes: > > com.dorja.ailib.config, com.dorja.ailib.util and com.dorja.ailib.ga. > > cross-api functionality is one of my main goals - mainly, the ability t= o > evolve neural networks using a ga. this is fairly simple with the ga an= d nn > api design that does not require any new packages at the com.dorja.aili= b > level or any changes to the com.dorja.ailib.nn api. i won't go into the > details here though. but this is dependent on the api design and > implementation - the java ai library is merely a framework for bringing= it > all together. > > on a side note, it makes no sense to use a ga for evolving a cbr progra= m > since genetic programming is better suited to the task - the difference= s are > subtle but quite important. i can't see the use of cbr and ann though?!= ?! > care to enlighten me? > > later, > .b > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jav...@li... > > [mailto:jav...@li...]On Beha= lf > > Of Alexander Whillas > > Sent: Thursday, 23 May 2002 5:21 PM > > To: jav...@li... > > Subject: Re: [Java AI Library Development] FW: Java AI library progre= ss > > > > > > Interesting idea, > > > > I hadn't thought of making the API cover that much ground, but I gues= s why > > not. I suppose a GA might be useful in developing a decision tree. Ma= ybe > > along the lines of evolving behaviour? I don't know, what would be th= e > > challenge here is the integration of the different components. > > How would the > > GA talk to the CBR or ANN or do you define that as system > > specific if so is > > there some help given? Software design issues mainly. > > > > alex > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "bernard leckning" <be...@do...> > > To: "javaailibrary-development" > > <jav...@li...> > > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 3:42 PM > > Subject: [Java AI Library Development] FW: Java AI library progress > > > > > > > hi guys, > > > > > > this guy is from zimbabwe and works for a research and development > > company. > > > he showed interest in the project a while ago and i thought i would > > present > > > to you his proposal for joining the project to see how everyone fee= ls > > about > > > it. > > > > > > cheers, > > > .b > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Anton Lokotsch [mailto:alo...@cs...] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, 21 May 2002 11:50 PM > > > > To: be...@do... > > > > Subject: RE: Java AI library progress > > > > > > > > > > > > hi bernard, > > > > > > > > thanks for the detailed information. i trust everything is going well > > > > with the project. i have an idea for future expansion of this jav= a ai > > > > api; i have done quite a lot of work with cbr (case based reasoning) > > > > systems and feel that this would be an excellent machine learning > > > > technique to include in the api later on. the cbr process itself= is > > > > fairly simple and would greatly enhance the broader appeal of the java > > > > ai api. i am currently working on a cbr project, more specificall= y > > > > designing a java frontend for a cbr application which was > > designed using > > > > one of the cbr shells avialable on the market. i would be willin= g to > > > > contribute ideas/time and my somewhat limited coding skills to th= is if > > > > you think it is a good idea. i dont know what funding you > > have currently > > > > for this project, but i am sure we can try and apply through the many > > > > official channels in an attempt to get some > > academic/scientific/research > > > > funding to further this project as it certainly is a > > brilliant idea with > > > > great development potential. > > > > > > > > i look forward to hearing from you, > > > > anton > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________ > > > > Anton Lokotsch > > > > Software Development Consultant > > > > DSS - Decision Support Sevices Program > > > > iComtek - Information, Communication and Space Technology Divisio= n > > > > CSIR - Council for Scientific and Industrial Research > > > > ________________________________________________________ > > > > Meiring Naude Rd > > > > POBOX 385 > > > > Pretoria > > > > South Africa > > > > 0001 > > > > ________________________________________________________ > > > > www.csir.co.za/icomtek > > > > Tel +27-12-841-2889 > > > > Fax +27-12-841-4720 > > > > ________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > >>> "bernard leckning" <be...@do...> 04/15/02 03:15PM >>> > > > > hi anton, > > > > > > > > thanks for your interest in what i am doing. i have only recently > > > > enlisted > > > > the help of a friend so there isn't an email list as yet. in any case > > > > there > > > > needs to be more doco (i might set up a wiki in the next week or = 2). > > > > > > > > i am trying to create an api that allows a developer to easily ta= p in > > > > to ai > > > > capabilities with only a basic understanding of the ai paradigm he/she > > > > is > > > > using. > > > > > > > > the two paradigms being coded at the moment is a genetic algorith= ms > > > > api > > > > (based on the design of matt wall's c++ galib - > > > > http://lanceit.mit.edu/ga) > > > > and an artificial neural networks api. > > > > > > > > this means with a few calls to the api you can set up a ga or an = ann > > > > simulation. the ga code is getting pretty complicated with all th= e > > > > types of > > > > genomes that can be implemented and the ann code will be difficul= t too > > > > as i > > > > am trying to cater to an digraph structured ann as well as > > > > self-organising > > > > maps. > > > > > > > > the best place at the moment to get some details is at > > > > http://javaailibrary.sourceforge.net. i have written some thought= s > > > > about it. > > > > you should then try the javadoc on that page or just look the cod= e > > > > yourself > > > > from the cvs repository - although this is in its very early and rough > > > > stages. > > > > > > > > perhaps after i get a wiki up or some other design doco i want to > > > > really get > > > > some ppl's advice and coding skills. as it will expand from ga's = and > > > > ann's > > > > to evolutionary re-inforcement learning (erl) where i will be evolving > > > > neural networks. > > > > > > > > please keep an eye out on our page as i hope to have things ready= to > > > > get > > > > other ppl on board. any comments you have are most welcome. > > > > > > > > .bernard > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Anton [mailto:alo...@cs...] > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 08:42 > > > > > To: be...@do... > > > > > Subject: Java AI library progress > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi there, > > > > > > > > > > I am very interested in what you guys are doing. Please, I > > > > > would very much like to hear more about what you are doing/ > > > > > planning to do. Do you have a mailing list or something? > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Anton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > > > > > Don't miss the 2002 Sprint PCS Application Developer's Conference > > > August 25-28 in Las Vegas -- http://devcon.sprintpcs.com/adp/index.= cfm > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > JavaAILibrary-Development mailing list > > > Jav...@li... > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/javaailibrary-developm= ent > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > > > Don't miss the 2002 Sprint PCS Application Developer's Conference > > August 25-28 in Las Vegas -- http://devcon.sprintpcs.com/adp/index.cf= m > > > > _______________________________________________ > > JavaAILibrary-Development mailing list > > Jav...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/javaailibrary-developmen= t > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > Don't miss the 2002 Sprint PCS Application Developer's Conference > August 25-28 in Las Vegas -- http://devcon.sprintpcs.com/adp/index.cfm > > _______________________________________________ > JavaAILibrary-Development mailing list > Jav...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/javaailibrary-development > _______________________________________________________________ Don't miss the 2002 Sprint PCS Application Developer's Conference August 25-28 in Las Vegas -- http://devcon.sprintpcs.com/adp/index.cfm _______________________________________________ JavaAILibrary-Development mailing list Jav...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/javaailibrary-development Bertrand Moulard D=E9veloppement Java +33 5 53 24 75 34 |
From: bertrand m. <ich...@tw...> - 2002-05-24 22:02:32
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Hi guys I tried to catch up reading the last emails about Anton and the cbr, and=20 the framework of the api. I still can't spend lot of time thinking about=20 that as my last exam is next monday, but I noticed that you were talking=20 about a gui for the project. Does it make sense to develop a gui for that ?= =20 i thought it was about developping an api to run ai functionalities but not= =20 a proper software with it's own gui. Anyway tell me about that, maybe I=20 didn't get everything. I think it could be helpful to chat with one of you= =20 next week to get started and see things more clearly, because right now=20 system programming for uni is badly clouding my vision of the AI project :)= =20 Is the architecture for the NN done or about ? have a good week end cool geeks ! Ichab. At 15:28 24/05/2002 +1000, you wrote: >yeah sure I guess, Let him go for it. Why not get him on this list? > >alex >----- Original Message ----- >From: "bernard leckning" <be...@do...> >To: <jav...@li...> >Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 7:32 PM >Subject: RE: [Java AI Library Development] FW: Java AI library progress > > > > yeah it is. > > > > well i enlarged the scope of this project by calling it the java ai >library > > because, remember, i used to have the dorja neural network library AND= the > > dorja ga library. so i built this project as a framework to hold several > > api's. i also figured that there would be cross-cutting aspects between >many > > potential api's so this framework allows for common aspects to be > > centralised and shared. > > > > from a software design perspective i have been using the java package > > framework to seperate concerns and libraries (at a higher level). here's >the > > basics of what we have: > > > > com.dorja.ailib.config: common configuration for ALL libraries >encapsulated > > within com.dorja.ailib > > com.dorja.ailib.util: cross-cutting aspects that can be shared across= all > > api's > > > > com.dorja.ailib.ga: the ga api > > com.dorja.ailib.nn: the neural network api > > > > essentially, to introduce cbr, we simply add: > > > > com.dorja.ailib.cbr > > > > and voila! > > > > i may actually ask him if he wants to do it. although he wants to > > concentrate on a gui, i would ask him to do a cbr framework and a gui >since > > a gui alone would serve no purpose in this project. > > > > it should be noted that within api's there are certain conventions that > > should be adhered to in order to present a coherent set of ai libraries > > (more on this later). > > > > what this package design allows us to do is to give a developer the= option > > of bundling on the api's he/she wishes to use. e.g. a develop only wants >to > > distribute the ga api then he/she includes: > > > > com.dorja.ailib.config, com.dorja.ailib.util and com.dorja.ailib.ga. > > > > cross-api functionality is one of my main goals - mainly, the ability to > > evolve neural networks using a ga. this is fairly simple with the ga and >nn > > api design that does not require any new packages at the com.dorja.ailib > > level or any changes to the com.dorja.ailib.nn api. i won't go into the > > details here though. but this is dependent on the api design and > > implementation - the java ai library is merely a framework for bringing= it > > all together. > > > > on a side note, it makes no sense to use a ga for evolving a cbr program > > since genetic programming is better suited to the task - the differences >are > > subtle but quite important. i can't see the use of cbr and ann= though?!?! > > care to enlighten me? > > > > later, > > .b > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: jav...@li... > > > [mailto:jav...@li...]On= Behalf > > > Of Alexander Whillas > > > Sent: Thursday, 23 May 2002 5:21 PM > > > To: jav...@li... > > > Subject: Re: [Java AI Library Development] FW: Java AI library= progress > > > > > > > > > Interesting idea, > > > > > > I hadn't thought of making the API cover that much ground, but I guess >why > > > not. I suppose a GA might be useful in developing a decision tree.= Maybe > > > along the lines of evolving behaviour? I don't know, what would be the > > > challenge here is the integration of the different components. > > > How would the > > > GA talk to the CBR or ANN or do you define that as system > > > specific if so is > > > there some help given? Software design issues mainly. > > > > > > alex > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "bernard leckning" <be...@do...> > > > To: "javaailibrary-development" > > > <jav...@li...> > > > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 3:42 PM > > > Subject: [Java AI Library Development] FW: Java AI library progress > > > > > > > > > > hi guys, > > > > > > > > this guy is from zimbabwe and works for a research and development > > > company. > > > > he showed interest in the project a while ago and i thought i would > > > present > > > > to you his proposal for joining the project to see how everyone= feels > > > about > > > > it. > > > > > > > > cheers, > > > > .b > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Anton Lokotsch [mailto:alo...@cs...] > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, 21 May 2002 11:50 PM > > > > > To: be...@do... > > > > > Subject: RE: Java AI library progress > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hi bernard, > > > > > > > > > > thanks for the detailed information. i trust everything is going >well > > > > > with the project. i have an idea for future expansion of this java >ai > > > > > api; i have done quite a lot of work with cbr (case based >reasoning) > > > > > systems and feel that this would be an excellent machine learning > > > > > technique to include in the api later on. the cbr process itself= is > > > > > fairly simple and would greatly enhance the broader appeal of the >java > > > > > ai api. i am currently working on a cbr project, more specifically > > > > > designing a java frontend for a cbr application which was > > > designed using > > > > > one of the cbr shells avialable on the market. i would be willing >to > > > > > contribute ideas/time and my somewhat limited coding skills to= this >if > > > > > you think it is a good idea. i dont know what funding you > > > have currently > > > > > for this project, but i am sure we can try and apply through the >many > > > > > official channels in an attempt to get some > > > academic/scientific/research > > > > > funding to further this project as it certainly is a > > > brilliant idea with > > > > > great development potential. > > > > > > > > > > i look forward to hearing from you, > > > > > anton > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________ > > > > > Anton Lokotsch > > > > > Software Development Consultant > > > > > DSS - Decision Support Sevices Program > > > > > iComtek - Information, Communication and Space Technology Division > > > > > CSIR - Council for Scientific and Industrial Research > > > > > ________________________________________________________ > > > > > Meiring Naude Rd > > > > > POBOX 385 > > > > > Pretoria > > > > > South Africa > > > > > 0001 > > > > > ________________________________________________________ > > > > > www.csir.co.za/icomtek > > > > > Tel +27-12-841-2889 > > > > > Fax +27-12-841-4720 > > > > > ________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > >>> "bernard leckning" <be...@do...> 04/15/02 03:15PM >>> > > > > > hi anton, > > > > > > > > > > thanks for your interest in what i am doing. i have only recently > > > > > enlisted > > > > > the help of a friend so there isn't an email list as yet. in any >case > > > > > there > > > > > needs to be more doco (i might set up a wiki in the next week or= 2). > > > > > > > > > > i am trying to create an api that allows a developer to easily tap >in > > > > > to ai > > > > > capabilities with only a basic understanding of the ai paradigm >he/she > > > > > is > > > > > using. > > > > > > > > > > the two paradigms being coded at the moment is a genetic= algorithms > > > > > api > > > > > (based on the design of matt wall's c++ galib - > > > > > http://lanceit.mit.edu/ga) > > > > > and an artificial neural networks api. > > > > > > > > > > this means with a few calls to the api you can set up a ga or an= ann > > > > > simulation. the ga code is getting pretty complicated with all the > > > > > types of > > > > > genomes that can be implemented and the ann code will be difficult >too > > > > > as i > > > > > am trying to cater to an digraph structured ann as well as > > > > > self-organising > > > > > maps. > > > > > > > > > > the best place at the moment to get some details is at > > > > > http://javaailibrary.sourceforge.net. i have written some thoughts > > > > > about it. > > > > > you should then try the javadoc on that page or just look the code > > > > > yourself > > > > > from the cvs repository - although this is in its very early and >rough > > > > > stages. > > > > > > > > > > perhaps after i get a wiki up or some other design doco i want to > > > > > really get > > > > > some ppl's advice and coding skills. as it will expand from ga's= and > > > > > ann's > > > > > to evolutionary re-inforcement learning (erl) where i will be >evolving > > > > > neural networks. > > > > > > > > > > please keep an eye out on our page as i hope to have things ready= to > > > > > get > > > > > other ppl on board. any comments you have are most welcome. > > > > > > > > > > .bernard > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Anton [mailto:alo...@cs...] > > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 08:42 > > > > > > To: be...@do... > > > > > > Subject: Java AI library progress > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi there, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am very interested in what you guys are doing. Please, I > > > > > > would very much like to hear more about what you are doing/ > > > > > > planning to do. Do you have a mailing list or something? > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Anton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > Don't miss the 2002 Sprint PCS Application Developer's Conference > > > > August 25-28 in Las Vegas --= http://devcon.sprintpcs.com/adp/index.cfm > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > JavaAILibrary-Development mailing list > > > > Jav...@li... > > > >= https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/javaailibrary-development > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > > > > > Don't miss the 2002 Sprint PCS Application Developer's Conference > > > August 25-28 in Las Vegas -- http://devcon.sprintpcs.com/adp/index.cfm > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > JavaAILibrary-Development mailing list > > > Jav...@li... > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/javaailibrary-development > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > > > Don't miss the 2002 Sprint PCS Application Developer's Conference > > August 25-28 in Las Vegas -- http://devcon.sprintpcs.com/adp/index.cfm > > > > _______________________________________________ > > JavaAILibrary-Development mailing list > > Jav...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/javaailibrary-development > > > > >_______________________________________________________________ > >Don't miss the 2002 Sprint PCS Application Developer's Conference >August 25-28 in Las Vegas -- http://devcon.sprintpcs.com/adp/index.cfm > >_______________________________________________ >JavaAILibrary-Development mailing list >Jav...@li... >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/javaailibrary-development Bertrand Moulard D=E9veloppement Java +33 5 53 24 75 34 |
From: Alexander W. <al...@ts...> - 2002-05-24 05:28:23
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yeah sure I guess, Let him go for it. Why not get him on this list? alex ----- Original Message ----- From: "bernard leckning" <be...@do...> To: <jav...@li...> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 7:32 PM Subject: RE: [Java AI Library Development] FW: Java AI library progress > yeah it is. > > well i enlarged the scope of this project by calling it the java ai library > because, remember, i used to have the dorja neural network library AND the > dorja ga library. so i built this project as a framework to hold several > api's. i also figured that there would be cross-cutting aspects between many > potential api's so this framework allows for common aspects to be > centralised and shared. > > from a software design perspective i have been using the java package > framework to seperate concerns and libraries (at a higher level). here's the > basics of what we have: > > com.dorja.ailib.config: common configuration for ALL libraries encapsulated > within com.dorja.ailib > com.dorja.ailib.util: cross-cutting aspects that can be shared across all > api's > > com.dorja.ailib.ga: the ga api > com.dorja.ailib.nn: the neural network api > > essentially, to introduce cbr, we simply add: > > com.dorja.ailib.cbr > > and voila! > > i may actually ask him if he wants to do it. although he wants to > concentrate on a gui, i would ask him to do a cbr framework and a gui since > a gui alone would serve no purpose in this project. > > it should be noted that within api's there are certain conventions that > should be adhered to in order to present a coherent set of ai libraries > (more on this later). > > what this package design allows us to do is to give a developer the option > of bundling on the api's he/she wishes to use. e.g. a develop only wants to > distribute the ga api then he/she includes: > > com.dorja.ailib.config, com.dorja.ailib.util and com.dorja.ailib.ga. > > cross-api functionality is one of my main goals - mainly, the ability to > evolve neural networks using a ga. this is fairly simple with the ga and nn > api design that does not require any new packages at the com.dorja.ailib > level or any changes to the com.dorja.ailib.nn api. i won't go into the > details here though. but this is dependent on the api design and > implementation - the java ai library is merely a framework for bringing it > all together. > > on a side note, it makes no sense to use a ga for evolving a cbr program > since genetic programming is better suited to the task - the differences are > subtle but quite important. i can't see the use of cbr and ann though?!?! > care to enlighten me? > > later, > .b > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jav...@li... > > [mailto:jav...@li...]On Behalf > > Of Alexander Whillas > > Sent: Thursday, 23 May 2002 5:21 PM > > To: jav...@li... > > Subject: Re: [Java AI Library Development] FW: Java AI library progress > > > > > > Interesting idea, > > > > I hadn't thought of making the API cover that much ground, but I guess why > > not. I suppose a GA might be useful in developing a decision tree. Maybe > > along the lines of evolving behaviour? I don't know, what would be the > > challenge here is the integration of the different components. > > How would the > > GA talk to the CBR or ANN or do you define that as system > > specific if so is > > there some help given? Software design issues mainly. > > > > alex > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "bernard leckning" <be...@do...> > > To: "javaailibrary-development" > > <jav...@li...> > > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 3:42 PM > > Subject: [Java AI Library Development] FW: Java AI library progress > > > > > > > hi guys, > > > > > > this guy is from zimbabwe and works for a research and development > > company. > > > he showed interest in the project a while ago and i thought i would > > present > > > to you his proposal for joining the project to see how everyone feels > > about > > > it. > > > > > > cheers, > > > .b > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Anton Lokotsch [mailto:alo...@cs...] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, 21 May 2002 11:50 PM > > > > To: be...@do... > > > > Subject: RE: Java AI library progress > > > > > > > > > > > > hi bernard, > > > > > > > > thanks for the detailed information. i trust everything is going well > > > > with the project. i have an idea for future expansion of this java ai > > > > api; i have done quite a lot of work with cbr (case based reasoning) > > > > systems and feel that this would be an excellent machine learning > > > > technique to include in the api later on. the cbr process itself is > > > > fairly simple and would greatly enhance the broader appeal of the java > > > > ai api. i am currently working on a cbr project, more specifically > > > > designing a java frontend for a cbr application which was > > designed using > > > > one of the cbr shells avialable on the market. i would be willing to > > > > contribute ideas/time and my somewhat limited coding skills to this if > > > > you think it is a good idea. i dont know what funding you > > have currently > > > > for this project, but i am sure we can try and apply through the many > > > > official channels in an attempt to get some > > academic/scientific/research > > > > funding to further this project as it certainly is a > > brilliant idea with > > > > great development potential. > > > > > > > > i look forward to hearing from you, > > > > anton > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________ > > > > Anton Lokotsch > > > > Software Development Consultant > > > > DSS - Decision Support Sevices Program > > > > iComtek - Information, Communication and Space Technology Division > > > > CSIR - Council for Scientific and Industrial Research > > > > ________________________________________________________ > > > > Meiring Naude Rd > > > > POBOX 385 > > > > Pretoria > > > > South Africa > > > > 0001 > > > > ________________________________________________________ > > > > www.csir.co.za/icomtek > > > > Tel +27-12-841-2889 > > > > Fax +27-12-841-4720 > > > > ________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > >>> "bernard leckning" <be...@do...> 04/15/02 03:15PM >>> > > > > hi anton, > > > > > > > > thanks for your interest in what i am doing. i have only recently > > > > enlisted > > > > the help of a friend so there isn't an email list as yet. in any case > > > > there > > > > needs to be more doco (i might set up a wiki in the next week or 2). > > > > > > > > i am trying to create an api that allows a developer to easily tap in > > > > to ai > > > > capabilities with only a basic understanding of the ai paradigm he/she > > > > is > > > > using. > > > > > > > > the two paradigms being coded at the moment is a genetic algorithms > > > > api > > > > (based on the design of matt wall's c++ galib - > > > > http://lanceit.mit.edu/ga) > > > > and an artificial neural networks api. > > > > > > > > this means with a few calls to the api you can set up a ga or an ann > > > > simulation. the ga code is getting pretty complicated with all the > > > > types of > > > > genomes that can be implemented and the ann code will be difficult too > > > > as i > > > > am trying to cater to an digraph structured ann as well as > > > > self-organising > > > > maps. > > > > > > > > the best place at the moment to get some details is at > > > > http://javaailibrary.sourceforge.net. i have written some thoughts > > > > about it. > > > > you should then try the javadoc on that page or just look the code > > > > yourself > > > > from the cvs repository - although this is in its very early and rough > > > > stages. > > > > > > > > perhaps after i get a wiki up or some other design doco i want to > > > > really get > > > > some ppl's advice and coding skills. as it will expand from ga's and > > > > ann's > > > > to evolutionary re-inforcement learning (erl) where i will be evolving > > > > neural networks. > > > > > > > > please keep an eye out on our page as i hope to have things ready to > > > > get > > > > other ppl on board. any comments you have are most welcome. > > > > > > > > .bernard > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Anton [mailto:alo...@cs...] > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 08:42 > > > > > To: be...@do... > > > > > Subject: Java AI library progress > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi there, > > > > > > > > > > I am very interested in what you guys are doing. Please, I > > > > > would very much like to hear more about what you are doing/ > > > > > planning to do. Do you have a mailing list or something? > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Anton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > > > > > Don't miss the 2002 Sprint PCS Application Developer's Conference > > > August 25-28 in Las Vegas -- http://devcon.sprintpcs.com/adp/index.cfm > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > JavaAILibrary-Development mailing list > > > Jav...@li... > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/javaailibrary-development > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > > > Don't miss the 2002 Sprint PCS Application Developer's Conference > > August 25-28 in Las Vegas -- http://devcon.sprintpcs.com/adp/index.cfm > > > > _______________________________________________ > > JavaAILibrary-Development mailing list > > Jav...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/javaailibrary-development > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > Don't miss the 2002 Sprint PCS Application Developer's Conference > August 25-28 in Las Vegas -- http://devcon.sprintpcs.com/adp/index.cfm > > _______________________________________________ > JavaAILibrary-Development mailing list > Jav...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/javaailibrary-development > |
From: bernard l. <be...@do...> - 2002-05-23 09:34:19
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yeah it is. well i enlarged the scope of this project by calling it the java ai library because, remember, i used to have the dorja neural network library AND the dorja ga library. so i built this project as a framework to hold several api's. i also figured that there would be cross-cutting aspects between many potential api's so this framework allows for common aspects to be centralised and shared. from a software design perspective i have been using the java package framework to seperate concerns and libraries (at a higher level). here's the basics of what we have: com.dorja.ailib.config: common configuration for ALL libraries encapsulated within com.dorja.ailib com.dorja.ailib.util: cross-cutting aspects that can be shared across all api's com.dorja.ailib.ga: the ga api com.dorja.ailib.nn: the neural network api essentially, to introduce cbr, we simply add: com.dorja.ailib.cbr and voila! i may actually ask him if he wants to do it. although he wants to concentrate on a gui, i would ask him to do a cbr framework and a gui since a gui alone would serve no purpose in this project. it should be noted that within api's there are certain conventions that should be adhered to in order to present a coherent set of ai libraries (more on this later). what this package design allows us to do is to give a developer the option of bundling on the api's he/she wishes to use. e.g. a develop only wants to distribute the ga api then he/she includes: com.dorja.ailib.config, com.dorja.ailib.util and com.dorja.ailib.ga. cross-api functionality is one of my main goals - mainly, the ability to evolve neural networks using a ga. this is fairly simple with the ga and nn api design that does not require any new packages at the com.dorja.ailib level or any changes to the com.dorja.ailib.nn api. i won't go into the details here though. but this is dependent on the api design and implementation - the java ai library is merely a framework for bringing it all together. on a side note, it makes no sense to use a ga for evolving a cbr program since genetic programming is better suited to the task - the differences are subtle but quite important. i can't see the use of cbr and ann though?!?! care to enlighten me? later, .b > -----Original Message----- > From: jav...@li... > [mailto:jav...@li...]On Behalf > Of Alexander Whillas > Sent: Thursday, 23 May 2002 5:21 PM > To: jav...@li... > Subject: Re: [Java AI Library Development] FW: Java AI library progress > > > Interesting idea, > > I hadn't thought of making the API cover that much ground, but I guess why > not. I suppose a GA might be useful in developing a decision tree. Maybe > along the lines of evolving behaviour? I don't know, what would be the > challenge here is the integration of the different components. > How would the > GA talk to the CBR or ANN or do you define that as system > specific if so is > there some help given? Software design issues mainly. > > alex > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bernard leckning" <be...@do...> > To: "javaailibrary-development" > <jav...@li...> > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 3:42 PM > Subject: [Java AI Library Development] FW: Java AI library progress > > > > hi guys, > > > > this guy is from zimbabwe and works for a research and development > company. > > he showed interest in the project a while ago and i thought i would > present > > to you his proposal for joining the project to see how everyone feels > about > > it. > > > > cheers, > > .b > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Anton Lokotsch [mailto:alo...@cs...] > > > Sent: Tuesday, 21 May 2002 11:50 PM > > > To: be...@do... > > > Subject: RE: Java AI library progress > > > > > > > > > hi bernard, > > > > > > thanks for the detailed information. i trust everything is going well > > > with the project. i have an idea for future expansion of this java ai > > > api; i have done quite a lot of work with cbr (case based reasoning) > > > systems and feel that this would be an excellent machine learning > > > technique to include in the api later on. the cbr process itself is > > > fairly simple and would greatly enhance the broader appeal of the java > > > ai api. i am currently working on a cbr project, more specifically > > > designing a java frontend for a cbr application which was > designed using > > > one of the cbr shells avialable on the market. i would be willing to > > > contribute ideas/time and my somewhat limited coding skills to this if > > > you think it is a good idea. i dont know what funding you > have currently > > > for this project, but i am sure we can try and apply through the many > > > official channels in an attempt to get some > academic/scientific/research > > > funding to further this project as it certainly is a > brilliant idea with > > > great development potential. > > > > > > i look forward to hearing from you, > > > anton > > > > > > ________________________________________________________ > > > Anton Lokotsch > > > Software Development Consultant > > > DSS - Decision Support Sevices Program > > > iComtek - Information, Communication and Space Technology Division > > > CSIR - Council for Scientific and Industrial Research > > > ________________________________________________________ > > > Meiring Naude Rd > > > POBOX 385 > > > Pretoria > > > South Africa > > > 0001 > > > ________________________________________________________ > > > www.csir.co.za/icomtek > > > Tel +27-12-841-2889 > > > Fax +27-12-841-4720 > > > ________________________________________________________ > > > > > > >>> "bernard leckning" <be...@do...> 04/15/02 03:15PM >>> > > > hi anton, > > > > > > thanks for your interest in what i am doing. i have only recently > > > enlisted > > > the help of a friend so there isn't an email list as yet. in any case > > > there > > > needs to be more doco (i might set up a wiki in the next week or 2). > > > > > > i am trying to create an api that allows a developer to easily tap in > > > to ai > > > capabilities with only a basic understanding of the ai paradigm he/she > > > is > > > using. > > > > > > the two paradigms being coded at the moment is a genetic algorithms > > > api > > > (based on the design of matt wall's c++ galib - > > > http://lanceit.mit.edu/ga) > > > and an artificial neural networks api. > > > > > > this means with a few calls to the api you can set up a ga or an ann > > > simulation. the ga code is getting pretty complicated with all the > > > types of > > > genomes that can be implemented and the ann code will be difficult too > > > as i > > > am trying to cater to an digraph structured ann as well as > > > self-organising > > > maps. > > > > > > the best place at the moment to get some details is at > > > http://javaailibrary.sourceforge.net. i have written some thoughts > > > about it. > > > you should then try the javadoc on that page or just look the code > > > yourself > > > from the cvs repository - although this is in its very early and rough > > > stages. > > > > > > perhaps after i get a wiki up or some other design doco i want to > > > really get > > > some ppl's advice and coding skills. as it will expand from ga's and > > > ann's > > > to evolutionary re-inforcement learning (erl) where i will be evolving > > > neural networks. > > > > > > please keep an eye out on our page as i hope to have things ready to > > > get > > > other ppl on board. any comments you have are most welcome. > > > > > > .bernard > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Anton [mailto:alo...@cs...] > > > > Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 08:42 > > > > To: be...@do... > > > > Subject: Java AI library progress > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi there, > > > > > > > > I am very interested in what you guys are doing. Please, I > > > > would very much like to hear more about what you are doing/ > > > > planning to do. Do you have a mailing list or something? > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Anton > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > > > Don't miss the 2002 Sprint PCS Application Developer's Conference > > August 25-28 in Las Vegas -- http://devcon.sprintpcs.com/adp/index.cfm > > > > _______________________________________________ > > JavaAILibrary-Development mailing list > > Jav...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/javaailibrary-development > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > Don't miss the 2002 Sprint PCS Application Developer's Conference > August 25-28 in Las Vegas -- http://devcon.sprintpcs.com/adp/index.cfm > > _______________________________________________ > JavaAILibrary-Development mailing list > Jav...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/javaailibrary-development > |
From: Alexander W. <al...@ts...> - 2002-05-23 07:36:52
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Interesting idea, I hadn't thought of making the API cover that much ground, but I guess why not. I suppose a GA might be useful in developing a decision tree. Maybe along the lines of evolving behaviour? I don't know, what would be the challenge here is the integration of the different components. How would the GA talk to the CBR or ANN or do you define that as system specific if so is there some help given? Software design issues mainly. alex ----- Original Message ----- From: "bernard leckning" <be...@do...> To: "javaailibrary-development" <jav...@li...> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 3:42 PM Subject: [Java AI Library Development] FW: Java AI library progress > hi guys, > > this guy is from zimbabwe and works for a research and development company. > he showed interest in the project a while ago and i thought i would present > to you his proposal for joining the project to see how everyone feels about > it. > > cheers, > .b > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Anton Lokotsch [mailto:alo...@cs...] > > Sent: Tuesday, 21 May 2002 11:50 PM > > To: be...@do... > > Subject: RE: Java AI library progress > > > > > > hi bernard, > > > > thanks for the detailed information. i trust everything is going well > > with the project. i have an idea for future expansion of this java ai > > api; i have done quite a lot of work with cbr (case based reasoning) > > systems and feel that this would be an excellent machine learning > > technique to include in the api later on. the cbr process itself is > > fairly simple and would greatly enhance the broader appeal of the java > > ai api. i am currently working on a cbr project, more specifically > > designing a java frontend for a cbr application which was designed using > > one of the cbr shells avialable on the market. i would be willing to > > contribute ideas/time and my somewhat limited coding skills to this if > > you think it is a good idea. i dont know what funding you have currently > > for this project, but i am sure we can try and apply through the many > > official channels in an attempt to get some academic/scientific/research > > funding to further this project as it certainly is a brilliant idea with > > great development potential. > > > > i look forward to hearing from you, > > anton > > > > ________________________________________________________ > > Anton Lokotsch > > Software Development Consultant > > DSS - Decision Support Sevices Program > > iComtek - Information, Communication and Space Technology Division > > CSIR - Council for Scientific and Industrial Research > > ________________________________________________________ > > Meiring Naude Rd > > POBOX 385 > > Pretoria > > South Africa > > 0001 > > ________________________________________________________ > > www.csir.co.za/icomtek > > Tel +27-12-841-2889 > > Fax +27-12-841-4720 > > ________________________________________________________ > > > > >>> "bernard leckning" <be...@do...> 04/15/02 03:15PM >>> > > hi anton, > > > > thanks for your interest in what i am doing. i have only recently > > enlisted > > the help of a friend so there isn't an email list as yet. in any case > > there > > needs to be more doco (i might set up a wiki in the next week or 2). > > > > i am trying to create an api that allows a developer to easily tap in > > to ai > > capabilities with only a basic understanding of the ai paradigm he/she > > is > > using. > > > > the two paradigms being coded at the moment is a genetic algorithms > > api > > (based on the design of matt wall's c++ galib - > > http://lanceit.mit.edu/ga) > > and an artificial neural networks api. > > > > this means with a few calls to the api you can set up a ga or an ann > > simulation. the ga code is getting pretty complicated with all the > > types of > > genomes that can be implemented and the ann code will be difficult too > > as i > > am trying to cater to an digraph structured ann as well as > > self-organising > > maps. > > > > the best place at the moment to get some details is at > > http://javaailibrary.sourceforge.net. i have written some thoughts > > about it. > > you should then try the javadoc on that page or just look the code > > yourself > > from the cvs repository - although this is in its very early and rough > > stages. > > > > perhaps after i get a wiki up or some other design doco i want to > > really get > > some ppl's advice and coding skills. as it will expand from ga's and > > ann's > > to evolutionary re-inforcement learning (erl) where i will be evolving > > neural networks. > > > > please keep an eye out on our page as i hope to have things ready to > > get > > other ppl on board. any comments you have are most welcome. > > > > .bernard > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Anton [mailto:alo...@cs...] > > > Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 08:42 > > > To: be...@do... > > > Subject: Java AI library progress > > > > > > > > > Hi there, > > > > > > I am very interested in what you guys are doing. Please, I > > > would very much like to hear more about what you are doing/ > > > planning to do. Do you have a mailing list or something? > > > > > > Regards, > > > Anton > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > Don't miss the 2002 Sprint PCS Application Developer's Conference > August 25-28 in Las Vegas -- http://devcon.sprintpcs.com/adp/index.cfm > > _______________________________________________ > JavaAILibrary-Development mailing list > Jav...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/javaailibrary-development > |
From: bernard l. <be...@do...> - 2002-05-23 05:43:32
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hi guys, this guy is from zimbabwe and works for a research and development company. he showed interest in the project a while ago and i thought i would present to you his proposal for joining the project to see how everyone feels about it. cheers, .b > -----Original Message----- > From: Anton Lokotsch [mailto:alo...@cs...] > Sent: Tuesday, 21 May 2002 11:50 PM > To: be...@do... > Subject: RE: Java AI library progress > > > hi bernard, > > thanks for the detailed information. i trust everything is going well > with the project. i have an idea for future expansion of this java ai > api; i have done quite a lot of work with cbr (case based reasoning) > systems and feel that this would be an excellent machine learning > technique to include in the api later on. the cbr process itself is > fairly simple and would greatly enhance the broader appeal of the java > ai api. i am currently working on a cbr project, more specifically > designing a java frontend for a cbr application which was designed using > one of the cbr shells avialable on the market. i would be willing to > contribute ideas/time and my somewhat limited coding skills to this if > you think it is a good idea. i dont know what funding you have currently > for this project, but i am sure we can try and apply through the many > official channels in an attempt to get some academic/scientific/research > funding to further this project as it certainly is a brilliant idea with > great development potential. > > i look forward to hearing from you, > anton > > ________________________________________________________ > Anton Lokotsch > Software Development Consultant > DSS - Decision Support Sevices Program > iComtek - Information, Communication and Space Technology Division > CSIR - Council for Scientific and Industrial Research > ________________________________________________________ > Meiring Naude Rd > POBOX 385 > Pretoria > South Africa > 0001 > ________________________________________________________ > www.csir.co.za/icomtek > Tel +27-12-841-2889 > Fax +27-12-841-4720 > ________________________________________________________ > > >>> "bernard leckning" <be...@do...> 04/15/02 03:15PM >>> > hi anton, > > thanks for your interest in what i am doing. i have only recently > enlisted > the help of a friend so there isn't an email list as yet. in any case > there > needs to be more doco (i might set up a wiki in the next week or 2). > > i am trying to create an api that allows a developer to easily tap in > to ai > capabilities with only a basic understanding of the ai paradigm he/she > is > using. > > the two paradigms being coded at the moment is a genetic algorithms > api > (based on the design of matt wall's c++ galib - > http://lanceit.mit.edu/ga) > and an artificial neural networks api. > > this means with a few calls to the api you can set up a ga or an ann > simulation. the ga code is getting pretty complicated with all the > types of > genomes that can be implemented and the ann code will be difficult too > as i > am trying to cater to an digraph structured ann as well as > self-organising > maps. > > the best place at the moment to get some details is at > http://javaailibrary.sourceforge.net. i have written some thoughts > about it. > you should then try the javadoc on that page or just look the code > yourself > from the cvs repository - although this is in its very early and rough > stages. > > perhaps after i get a wiki up or some other design doco i want to > really get > some ppl's advice and coding skills. as it will expand from ga's and > ann's > to evolutionary re-inforcement learning (erl) where i will be evolving > neural networks. > > please keep an eye out on our page as i hope to have things ready to > get > other ppl on board. any comments you have are most welcome. > > .bernard > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Anton [mailto:alo...@cs...] > > Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 08:42 > > To: be...@do... > > Subject: Java AI library progress > > > > > > Hi there, > > > > I am very interested in what you guys are doing. Please, I > > would very much like to hear more about what you are doing/ > > planning to do. Do you have a mailing list or something? > > > > Regards, > > Anton > > > |
From: bernard l. <be...@do...> - 2002-05-20 12:01:35
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hello everyone (all 2 of you!), i guess this is the first official email of the list. anyway, just to let you know that work has been continuing, but at a slow pace. netbeans runs too slow on my laptop because the project is too big and i don't have enough memory! so i'm in the process of shifting it to a more 'grassroots' development environment - gvim + ant. i will put the ant (http://jakarta.apache.org/ant) build file up for anyone who wants to use it. currently, i am component testing in the ga api. i am also reverse engineering and 'uml-ising' the nn api. a model for the nn api will be up on the website soon. pls comment on the model for the ga api that is already up at http://javaailibrary.sourceforge.net. i'm also hoping for development to pick up very soon - so your'e help will be required. i know someone that is developing a multi-player game in java and have spoken to him about his articifial intelligence requirements. historically a majority of cpu allocation in games is given to graphics and the rules governing the 'world' are simple meaning that 'hard' ai is not required as such. but i have spoken to him about using this library to develop a global strategy for the non-human entities in the game. you can check his site out at http://www.cellchamber.com. there is a private download area for those involved in the project (currently only him) which i will get access to when he comes back from overseas. hopefully this is something fun that we can apply the java ai library to. in the meantime, any ideas, comments, complaints are welcome. later, .b p.s. bertrand, j'espere que sa te derange pas que ont se discute en anglais? s'il y a des trucs incomprehensible tu me dire, d'ac ? |
From: Alexander W. <al...@ts...> - 2002-04-28 10:19:36
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ya test me mon ----- Original Message ----- From: "bernard leckning" <be...@do...> To: <jav...@li...> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 2:37 PM Subject: [Java AI Library Development]test > > > _______________________________________________ > JavaAILibrary-Development mailing list > Jav...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/javaailibrary-development > |
From: bernard l. <be...@do...> - 2002-04-28 04:39:11
|