Re: [Java-gnome-developer] Java-GNOME thoughts

[Elias M. <el...@al...>]

s=C3=B6n 2003-11-09 klockan 15.17 skrev Luca De Rugeriis:

> Il dom, 2003-11-09 alle 13:47, Elias Martenson ha scritto:
> > True. It really does feel like everything has been done now has it? :=
-)
> Mmh.. I don't think so. There are a LOT of apps the linux community is
> missing. One example above all something like dreamweaver.

Yes, but Dreamweaver is a very large and complex app and I don't think
Java-GNOME could handle it yet (non-working graphics primitives for
example).

> >  I think I could top gFTP in a matter of days
> > by leveraging the enterprisedt FTP client library.
> Nice, but is it really needed? Isn't gftp already doing a nice job?
> I think duplication of efforts is to be avoided.=20

Sort of. gFTP isn't HIG'ed for example. The GUI is a pain to use.

> > If you want to make an RSS reader, you could do that extremely quickl=
y
> > too since we have it all already, just need to slap a GUI on top of i=
t.
> >=20
> > I've also considered making a better "todo" application. A smal app t=
hat
> > sits in the panel and lets to easily keep track of everything that I
> > should do (need panel support for this one).
> Well, evolution supports RSS and there is a gtodo app that does exactly
> that.

Actually both the RSS reader and the FTP client were examples of cases
where existing Java libraries could be leveraged to quickly produce good
and efficient GNOME applications.

> > So, what useful stuff do we have in the Java world that we want to br=
ing
> > to the GNOME users?
> For the moment I think there are already some good apps, maybe not
> killer ones, but however:
>=20
>       * Mark Howard wrote a nice app for Debian bugs tracking.I haven't
>         tried it, but I saw his homepage and it seems it rocks:)

I'm not a debian user so I can't comment. :-)

>       * There are the gnome-postal, and cromagnon apps that still need =
a
>         lot of love:),but I think the could become useful, cause AFAIK
>         there are few Imap mail programs around.

Evolution and Balsa works, right? Cromagnon could be useful, yes.

>       * There is snark which is a bittorrent client written in
>         java-gnome, I've read some source code, and it's cool:) Users
>         love applications like this if they can connect to a big networ=
k
>         and share stuff...But again it still needs work.

Ahh that's cool. Never heard about it. I really think the existing
wxWindows GUI sucks huge bananas.

>       * A killer app would be some like dreamweaver (ambitiuous...maybe
>         a jni for gtkglext?) ;) Or a modeler like blender, but with a
>         usable interface...

These are huge projects. But I agree, useful.

> I won't make the list longer; My final point is that I think it's bette=
r
> contribute improving some existing app like Tiago Cogumbreiro's one, or
> the other ones I've mentioned than rewrite another implementation of an
> existing app.

We are not in disagreement. My point was simply that one of the greatest
advantages of Java (apart from the easy error-free code you can produce)
is the abundance of easy-to-use libraries that can do pretty much
everything under the sun. We should take advantage of that.

Elias