Re: [Java-gnome-developer] Possibility to built SWING on top uf Java-GTK?

[Clemens E. <Lin...@we...>]

Hi!

>   There are many interesting ideas about GTK and Java and indeed many
> people have spent a lot of time working on them. However, none of them
> have been hugely successful. IMHO, the main reason for this is that none
> of them have been that good - people start work on projects but never
> complete them to a sufficient level that they become a feasible solution
> for developers. 
Youre right.

>   I think we need to spend a lot more time making java-gnome a lot
> better. There is still a huge amount to be done, especially if you are
> interested in running it on free jres.
I like java-gnome very much, but the biggest limitation is not the current api, it simply the developer-support.
Look at SWING: There are tons of tuts and developers, tools etc.
SWING is covered in every Java-Book.


> When this is done and there are a
> number of applications successfully powered by Java-Gnome, then is the
> time to be thinking of such extensions. 
Hmm, I wrote a big app with 0.7.1 and glade. This was a fine thing!
I think java-gnome is not not extremly sucessful, because of its design, instead of its features (I know my english is bad ;-)  )

If somebody only wants to have a native gui and he wants to use all his current apps, this is the only possible solution.

Hmm, maybe I did not say it before: I want to make a NEW project, covering this based on java-gnome. This means java-gnome will be always needed to run that stuff, but Ionly want to use java-gtk as a underlaying platform.
I also think that making jgtk better is not a bad idea, but it wont make java-gtk much more sucessful! Look at the KDE-Java-Bindings! They are very useable and complete, a fine thing!
But they are also not very popular, because the user needs to learn a new api and cant use his "old" programs with the new, fast gui.

Back to my last question: Would it be theoretically possible to use java-gtk as an underlaying platform, or do you think it would be better to start from scratch?
(Jeff - please help!)

Good luck!, Clemens


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