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From: Mark H. <mh...@ca...> - 2003-12-12 15:43:39
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Hi, For custom widgets, I am thinking of constructions made from existing widgets, e.g. with VBox as a base. In my debbuggtk set of applications, I have created a BugReport widget, which is a vbox with lots of things added to it (plus many elements not directly related to the ui). This is used in a number of different applications. I'm now trying to convert the applications to use glade. I would like to place a glade customwidget widget on the screen where I want one of my BugReport constructions to go and then have libglade ask me to provide the widget when it is constructing the window - I will then be able to reuse the same code for the BugReport widget wherever I want a bugreport. Does that make more sense? -- .''`. Mark Howard : :' : `. `' http://www.tildemh.com `- mh...@de... | mh...@ti... | mh...@ca... |
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From: Tom B. <Tom...@Su...> - 2003-12-11 23:08:21
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Hi Mark, I'm sorry I haven't been able to continue contributing, but Sun keeps involving me in interesting fire drills. Now that the Jackpot project has moved from Sun Labs to our tools division (James is now its CTO), we're running on all cylinders. The glade_set_custom_handler is useful for bindings that want to allow the creation of new widget classes, such as the glade-- C++ binding. I can't imagine we want to define new pure-Java widgets, however. Is that what you are after? If so, perhaps the better model is to define a GtkDrawingArea subclass which draws them like Swing does. If custom widgets are native, then we need to invoke a native function to create them. Today you should be able to define the creation_function in C/C++ and directly specify it in the glade file -- implement a Widget subclass that with the same class name as in the glade file, and things should (in theory) just load and work. Just a small matter of debugging. :-) If I'm off the mark (sorry about that) here, I'd appreciate hearing about your expectations as to how a developer defines a custom widget in Java. Assuming that a native widget implementation exists, like the Dial tutorial widget, what steps would you tell a naive developer so they can use this widget inside of a Java-GNOME app? I can better understand what your needs are if we have such a use-case. Tom On Thu, 2003-12-11 at 01:44, Mark Howard wrote: > Hi Tom, > I've recently started using Java-Gnome libglade. It is working really > well - you did a great job. There is one thing which I really need for > some of my applications though - support for the glade CustomWidget. As > you're probably the person with the most knowledge about the java-gnome > libglade code, I was wondering if you could possibly take a look at > this? > > The details are in: > http://developer.gnome.org/doc/API/2.0/libglade/gladexml.html > > There is a nice glade_set_custom_handler function to override which > functions get called by libglade written especially for language > bindings, so it shouldn't be that difficult for somebody who already > knows the details of the java-gnome implementations. |
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From: Mark H. <mh...@ca...> - 2003-12-11 12:34:09
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Hi Tom, I've recently started using Java-Gnome libglade. It is working really well - you did a great job. There is one thing which I really need for some of my applications though - support for the glade CustomWidget. As you're probably the person with the most knowledge about the java-gnome libglade code, I was wondering if you could possibly take a look at this? The details are in: http://developer.gnome.org/doc/API/2.0/libglade/gladexml.html There is a nice glade_set_custom_handler function to override which functions get called by libglade written especially for language bindings, so it shouldn't be that difficult for somebody who already knows the details of the java-gnome implementations. -- .''`. Mark Howard : :' : `. `' http://www.tildemh.com `- mh...@de... | mh...@ti... | mh...@ca... |
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From: Luca De R. <pie...@li...> - 2003-12-07 22:07:16
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Il dom, 2003-12-07 alle 20:32, Jeffrey Morgan ha scritto: > The last time I was in Italy was in 1985. I had a great > time (young, single, expense account). I wish I could > come to meet you !! :) Which city have you been? I live in Rome. Luca. |
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From: Jeffrey M. <ku...@zo...> - 2003-12-07 19:37:27
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The last time I was in Italy was in 1985. I had a great time (young, single, expense account). I wish I could come to meet you !! -Jeff On Sun, 2003-12-07 at 10:31, Luca De Rugeriis wrote: > Il dom, 2003-12-07 alle 16:14, Jeffrey Morgan ha scritto: > > I am going to be in Boston for the next few days. > > If any of you live near Boston and would like to get > > together to discuss java-gnome or any related topic > > (or perhaps just have a beer) let me know. > I would like to meet you, but I live in Italy ;) > > Luca > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials. > Become an expert in LINUX or just sharpen your skills. Sign up for IBM's > Free Linux Tutorials. Learn everything from the bash shell to sys admin. > Click now! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1278&alloc_id=3371&op=click > _______________________________________________ > java-gnome-hackers mailing list > jav...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/java-gnome-hackers > |
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From: Luca De R. <pie...@li...> - 2003-12-07 15:31:54
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Il dom, 2003-12-07 alle 16:14, Jeffrey Morgan ha scritto: > I am going to be in Boston for the next few days. > If any of you live near Boston and would like to get > together to discuss java-gnome or any related topic > (or perhaps just have a beer) let me know. I would like to meet you, but I live in Italy ;) Luca |
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From: Jeffrey M. <ku...@zo...> - 2003-12-07 15:19:15
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I am going to be in Boston for the next few days. If any of you live near Boston and would like to get together to discuss java-gnome or any related topic (or perhaps just have a beer) let me know. -Jeff |
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From: Luca De R. <pie...@li...> - 2003-12-03 14:44:43
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Il mer, 2003-12-03 alle 15:20, Mark Howard ha scritto: > On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 02:15:42PM +0100, Luca De Rugeriis wrote: > > in Fedora. The only question is: how distributions could cope with a > > package the requires a JDK to compile? > > Mark, Debian community thoughts on this? > > Java-gnome is already in Debian -- I maintain the packages myself. > Compilation is done with jikes and other free tools. (I also have a > wrapper script for the ant parts, but few distributions consider ant to > be non-free) Thanks, it means that I have to end up with an Ant, Jikes and Java-Gnome package proposal. I don't know what Fedora's guys think aobut Ant, I have to ask. AFAIK we can't compile without Ant, right? Does Java-gnome compiles with Jikes out of the box? Can I assume that the best combination of free tools for building Java-Gnome is Ant/Jikes/Gcj ? I do want Java-Gnome to be included in next Fedora (end of March or kernel-2.6 realease wich come first ;) -- Luca De Rugeriis <pie...@li...> |
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From: Mark H. <mh...@ca...> - 2003-12-03 14:21:43
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On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 02:15:42PM +0100, Luca De Rugeriis wrote: > in Fedora. The only question is: how distributions could cope with a > package the requires a JDK to compile? > Mark, Debian community thoughts on this? Java-gnome is already in Debian -- I maintain the packages myself. Compilation is done with jikes and other free tools. (I also have a wrapper script for the ant parts, but few distributions consider ant to be non-free) -- .''`. Mark Howard : :' : `. `' http://www.tildemh.com `- mh...@de... | mh...@ti... | mh...@ca... |
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From: Luca De R. <pie...@li...> - 2003-12-03 13:16:01
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Il mar, 2003-12-02 alle 18:50, Mark Howard ha scritto: > This looks very good to me. If other bindings are going to be more > official, then we definitely should. > I'm just subscribing to language-bindings and will read the archives > regarding this when I get chance (next week). > > On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 12:15:26PM -0500, Jeffrey Morgan wrote: > > Could somebody on the team please tak a look at this and > > report back on the proposal. > > I'm still at uni and have a lot of work for the next few days so haven't > read it in detail yet. > > It looks like they want the language bindings to follow release > schedules, etc of gnome but be developed in parallel to gnome, rather > than being in the main group of tarballs collectively known as the gnome > desktop. > > This email doesn't go into details about levels of implementation of the > many gnome APIs - we need to know more about what they require. > > One final important point (for this week, at least): Having java-gnome > in this would also probably allow java-gnome applications be accepted > into the gnome platform. In general, I think joining this group would be > very beneficial for java-gnome. Totally agreed, we should try to get in their schedule. This would be beneficial e.g. when I'll try to get the bindings included in Fedora. The only question is: how distributions could cope with a package the requires a JDK to compile? Mark, Debian community thoughts on this? Luca. -- Luca De Rugeriis <pie...@li...> |
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From: Mark H. <mh...@ca...> - 2003-12-02 17:50:43
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This looks very good to me. If other bindings are going to be more official, then we definitely should. I'm just subscribing to language-bindings and will read the archives regarding this when I get chance (next week). On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 12:15:26PM -0500, Jeffrey Morgan wrote: > Could somebody on the team please tak a look at this and > report back on the proposal. I'm still at uni and have a lot of work for the next few days so haven't read it in detail yet. It looks like they want the language bindings to follow release schedules, etc of gnome but be developed in parallel to gnome, rather than being in the main group of tarballs collectively known as the gnome desktop. This email doesn't go into details about levels of implementation of the many gnome APIs - we need to know more about what they require. One final important point (for this week, at least): Having java-gnome in this would also probably allow java-gnome applications be accepted into the gnome platform. In general, I think joining this group would be very beneficial for java-gnome. -- .''`. Mark Howard : :' : `. `' http://www.tildemh.com `- mh...@de... | mh...@ti... | mh...@ca... |
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From: Luca De R. <pie...@li...> - 2003-11-22 21:09:45
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Il ven, 2003-11-21 alle 18:55, Mark Howard ha scritto: > > 4) Fully functioning cromagnon. Perhaps this can be > > rolled out into its' own project once this is complete and > > I will push to have it included in gentoo. Mark can also > > work to see if it can be included in Debian. > I'd prefer to see it develop as a separate app and mature a little > before including it in Debian, TBH. Me too, I've got it working locally, but with some quirks in the NewCrontab window... I've managed to complete it but since I'd like to rewrite the above window to make it cleaner, I don't know if it is worth to resolve this quirks, or it's better to begin the rewrite of that class. I want to make a window with a calendar widget and a combo. The user should choose the initial date with the nifty calendar widget (the one you see in newer gnome-clock applets) and then should choose with the combo, if he wants the command to be executed: hourly, daily, monthly... Then would be good to add the possibility to choose the command to run from a list of installed programs. It has to be based on myme-types. This list must contains the programs' icons. Cromagnon must add the --display $DISPLAY command line option(to each crontab entry) which actually is needed for X based programs to run. There are other things. If you think it can be useful, I'll write a nice todo list for CroMagnon. New contributors could pick one item and help on that item. > > 5) gtk-demo > I'll help out with this. I've wrote down the very first Main methods for java-gnome-demo. The point is: I'd prefer do one thing (well) at a time, so if you think that the project will earn more benefit from a good functional app like Cromagnon, I think I'll leave java-gnome-demo for later and I'll work on Cromagnon. Else if it's better to have a functional demo for java-gnome, I'll do otherwise ;) Let me know what you think, please :) > > 6) bug fixes as reported from users or as we find them. I'll try to solve everything I'm capable of (although no C) > > 7) Glade doc/tutorial. I'm starting to use glade - it's brilliant. I > hope to write a little about it. This seems to be another major thing > java-gnome has that nothing else does on java - we should make this more widely known Totally agreed. Do the forums on Sun's site know of java-gnome? > 8) Custom widgets in glade. Don't know how they're done, but I really > want them so I'll take a look > > 9) Sort out gnome UIInfo I think we can do without UIInfo.end() > I think we should also set a target date for this to help push things > along. On my side I can work on Cromagnon and java-gnome-demo, and I can do packages for Redhat. Luca. -- Luca De Rugeriis <pie...@li...> |
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From: Mark H. <mh...@ca...> - 2003-11-21 17:57:03
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Hi, I'll hopefully get a little time at christmas :) On Fri, Nov 21, 2003 at 12:36:06PM -0500, Jeffrey Morgan wrote: > 2) Support for gconf - I have this started locally. I should > be able to finish this up and check into cvs within a week. Excellent! > 4) Fully functioning cromagnon. Perhaps this can be > rolled out into its' own project once this is complete and > I will push to have it included in gentoo. Mark can also > work to see if it can be included in Debian. I'd prefer to see it develop as a separate app and mature a little before including it in Debian, TBH. > 5) gtk-demo I'll help out with this. > 6) bug fixes as reported from users or as we find them. 7) Glade doc/tutorial. I'm starting to use glade - it's brilliant. I hope to write a little about it. This seems to be another major thing java-gnome has that nothing else does on java - we should make this more widely known 8) Custom widgets in glade. Don't know how they're done, but I really want them so I'll take a look 9) Sort out gnome UIInfo I think we should also set a target date for this to help push things along. -- .''`. Mark Howard : :' : `. `' http://www.tildemh.com `- mh...@de... | mh...@ti... | mh...@ca... |
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From: Jeffrey M. <Jef...@Br...> - 2003-11-21 17:36:10
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The following are a few things I would like to see go into the next release. Let me know if you are interested in working on any of these. 1) Support for libgtkhtml - I have this started already. If somebody would like to pick this up and finish the work please feel free. 2) Support for gconf - I have this started locally. I should be able to finish this up and check into cvs within a week. 3) Support for gnomevfs. 4) Fully functioning cromagnon. Perhaps this can be rolled out into its' own project once this is complete and I will push to have it included in gentoo. Mark can also work to see if it can be included in Debian. 5) gtk-demo 6) bug fixes as reported from users or as we find them. I think we should also add a link to the site pointing to the new eclipse plugin. Please let me know your thoughts. -Jeff |
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From: Jeffrey M. <ku...@zo...> - 2003-11-17 23:12:13
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I am in a strange position as to this site. I cannot remember my password for this site. I also believe that the email address they have for me is my work email address before my companies merger nearly three years ago. That email address doesn't work. I need to correspond with the admin on the gnome site to get this resolved. Just haven't had the time to do this. -Jeff On Mon, 2003-11-17 at 16:59, Mark Howard wrote: > http://www.gnome.org/softwaremap/projects/java-gnome/ > 0.7.1 is listed as the latest release. > Jeff- you're listed on the page, so can you change it please? > > My login for this page is howama, if you want to add me so I can update > it in future if I notice errors. |
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From: Mark H. <mh...@ca...> - 2003-11-17 22:06:09
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http://www.gnome.org/softwaremap/projects/java-gnome/ 0.7.1 is listed as the latest release. Jeff- you're listed on the page, so can you change it please? My login for this page is howama, if you want to add me so I can update it in future if I notice errors. -- .''`. Mark Howard : :' : `. `' http://www.tildemh.com `- mh...@de... | mh...@ti... | mh...@ca... |
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From: Mark H. <mh...@ca...> - 2003-11-17 20:12:00
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> going forward. If you wish to continue as a developer on > this project please let me know by Friday. I might not do much programming while I'm at uni, but I'd still like to be considered as an active developer. I try to help out on the mailing list and do bits of work and will hopefully be able to do much more during the vacations. Jeff - will you also update the header files in the source code - I think a link to AUTHORS would be more appropriate than repeating the developer details. -- .''`. Mark Howard : :' : `. `' http://www.tildemh.com `- mh...@de... | mh...@ti... | mh...@ca... |
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From: Jeffrey M. <Jef...@Br...> - 2003-11-17 18:29:20
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There are currently 13 developers listed on the java-gnome project but only a few are actually active with the project at this time. I want to do a little house cleaning and remove the people who do not wish to participate in this project going forward. If you wish to continue as a developer on this project please let me know by Friday. Otherwise I will remove you from the project. Thanks -Jeff |
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From: Jeffrey M. <Jef...@Br...> - 2003-11-17 12:20:35
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Great idea. Please feel free to make the announcement. > Hi, > I was just looking at the archives of the > java-gnome-announce mailing > lists and noticed that no announcements have been made since pre0.8. > There's also quite a lot of spam - can't this be made into a > list where > authorisation is required to post. > > Were any announcement made about 0.8.1 anywhere? > > I'd suggest that we should send an announcement out now about > the recent > releases. There may be people subscribed to -announce who were waiting > for a gnome2 port but not following the project. In terms of publicity > for the project, I also think that now is the time to be > letting people > know about java-gnome -- recent newbies to -developer have been giving > great feedback and more importantly patches. I'd suggest that > we should > also send these announcements to places like gnomedesktop.org > and gnome > mailing lists (possibly java too?). > > Perhaps something like the following should be sent out now. Should I > send this? Is there anything else to add? > > Java-Gnome Releases > ------------------- > > The Java-Gnome project is proud to announce the recent releases of > java-gnome 0.8 and 0.8.1 bringing full support for gtk/gnome > 2, many bug > fixes and performance enhancements. > > Java-Gnome is a set of libraries for creating GTK and GNOME > applications > in the Java programming language. This has two user bases: > > - Java developers wanting an intuitive well designed API for creating > Graphical applications, as well as robust automatic GUI > building tools > via the glade program (using libglade). > - Gnome developers wanting a simpler API for writing graphical > applications, taking advantage of the many java libraries > and without > having to worry about memory. > > Java-Gnome supports the latest major releases of GNOME, GTK and Glade, > as well as a number of smaller libraries such as libvte. > > Performance is similar to that of native gnome applications. > Java-Gnome builds and runs using entirely free software, however the > license does not impose on users wanting to create commercial products > with Java-Gnome. > > Java-Gnome is available from the website as source tarballs (for > compilation to Java bytecode, or compilation to Native libraries using > gcj so that applications will not require a JVM in order to run), rpm > packages. Java-Gnome is also available in the Debian sid > distribution in > the packages libgnome0-java, libgtk0-java, libgnome0-java and > libjava-gnome-doc. > > -- > The Java-Gnome Team > http://java-gnome.sf.net > > -- > .''`. Mark Howard > : :' : > `. `' http://www.tildemh.com > `- mh...@de... | mh...@ti... | mh...@ca... > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF. Net email is sponsored by: GoToMyPC > GoToMyPC is the fast, easy and secure way to access your computer from > any Web browser or wireless device. Click here to Try it Free! > https://www.gotomypc.com/tr/OSDN/AW/Q4_2003/t/g22lp?Target=mm/ g22lp.tmpl _______________________________________________ java-gnome-hackers mailing list jav...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/java-gnome-hackers |
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From: Mark H. <mh...@ca...> - 2003-11-16 12:25:29
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Hi, I was just looking at the archives of the java-gnome-announce mailing lists and noticed that no announcements have been made since pre0.8. There's also quite a lot of spam - can't this be made into a list where authorisation is required to post. Were any announcement made about 0.8.1 anywhere? I'd suggest that we should send an announcement out now about the recent releases. There may be people subscribed to -announce who were waiting for a gnome2 port but not following the project. In terms of publicity for the project, I also think that now is the time to be letting people know about java-gnome -- recent newbies to -developer have been giving great feedback and more importantly patches. I'd suggest that we should also send these announcements to places like gnomedesktop.org and gnome mailing lists (possibly java too?). Perhaps something like the following should be sent out now. Should I send this? Is there anything else to add? Java-Gnome Releases ------------------- The Java-Gnome project is proud to announce the recent releases of java-gnome 0.8 and 0.8.1 bringing full support for gtk/gnome 2, many bug fixes and performance enhancements. Java-Gnome is a set of libraries for creating GTK and GNOME applications in the Java programming language. This has two user bases: - Java developers wanting an intuitive well designed API for creating Graphical applications, as well as robust automatic GUI building tools via the glade program (using libglade). - Gnome developers wanting a simpler API for writing graphical applications, taking advantage of the many java libraries and without having to worry about memory. Java-Gnome supports the latest major releases of GNOME, GTK and Glade, as well as a number of smaller libraries such as libvte. Performance is similar to that of native gnome applications. Java-Gnome builds and runs using entirely free software, however the license does not impose on users wanting to create commercial products with Java-Gnome. Java-Gnome is available from the website as source tarballs (for compilation to Java bytecode, or compilation to Native libraries using gcj so that applications will not require a JVM in order to run), rpm packages. Java-Gnome is also available in the Debian sid distribution in the packages libgnome0-java, libgtk0-java, libgnome0-java and libjava-gnome-doc. -- The Java-Gnome Team http://java-gnome.sf.net -- .''`. Mark Howard : :' : `. `' http://www.tildemh.com `- mh...@de... | mh...@ti... | mh...@ca... |
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From: Mark H. <mh...@ca...> - 2003-10-27 16:11:30
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On Sun, Oct 26, 2003 at 08:06:01AM -0500, Jeffrey Morgan wrote: > I think we are very close. I would like to look into a few > of the reported build issues and a couple of the simple bugs > reported on the site. Why don't we set a target date of > November 1st for 0.8.1? Sounds good. -- .''`. Mark Howard : :' : `. `' http://www.tildemh.com `- mh...@de... | mh...@ti... | mh...@ca... |
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From: Jeffrey M. <ku...@zo...> - 2003-10-26 13:10:44
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I think we are very close. I would like to look into a few of the reported build issues and a couple of the simple bugs reported on the site. Why don't we set a target date of November 1st for 0.8.1? -Jeff On Sun, 2003-10-26 at 05:18, Mark Howard wrote: > On Sun, Jul 06, 2003 at 11:45:42AM -0400, Jeffrey Morgan wrote: > > 0.8.1 - bug fix > > We've had quite a few bug fixes in the past few months (thanks > everyone). Perhaps it's time for 0.8.1? Is there anything major that > needs fixing before this? -- Jeffrey Morgan <ku...@zo...> |
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From: Mark H. <mh...@ca...> - 2003-10-26 10:20:36
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On Sun, Jul 06, 2003 at 11:45:42AM -0400, Jeffrey Morgan wrote: > 0.8.1 - bug fix We've had quite a few bug fixes in the past few months (thanks everyone). Perhaps it's time for 0.8.1? Is there anything major that needs fixing before this? -- .''`. Mark Howard : :' : `. `' http://www.tildemh.com `- mh...@de... | mh...@ti... | mh...@ca... |
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From: 'Mark H. <mh...@de...> - 2003-08-19 07:32:36
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On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 04:30:14PM -0400, Jeffrey Morgan wrote: > Just checked in a fix for the dialog problem. We had a half > baked implementation of the Dialog class. I removed the > constructor that you reference below. If you wish to see > the correct usage of this widget I updated the TestGTK example. Thanks for all your great work. Sorry I've not had time to look into java-gnome recently. It really is a shame. Hopefully I may get a few hours at the end of august. BTW: there are a few open entries in the patch tracker on sourceforge. I think these have been resolved already, but was it the same person who posted the patches to the list and tracker? If it is possible to set an automatic notification of new tracker items on sourceforge, please add one so that this list gets notified. -- .''`. Mark Howard : :' : `. `' http://www.tildemh.com `- mh...@de... | mh...@ti... | mh...@ca... |
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From: Jeffrey M. <ku...@zo...> - 2003-08-02 01:18:15
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I believe you should have all of the priority now. On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 12:58, Mark Howard wrote: > Hi, > Could you please give me more user (howama) rights for the java-gnome bug > tracking so I can set priorities and assign bugs. > > Also, it would be great if you would set up sourceforge to send out > emails to the mailing lists when things are added to the bug tracking > system. > > > thanks -- Jeffrey Morgan <ku...@zo...> |
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