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RE: [Java-gnome-developer] Error recompiling Java-GTK+

[Jeffrey M. <Jef...@Br...>]

This is a problem with the GTK only build.  I used to have
access to a system that only had GTK on which I could test.
I believe a short-term fix would be to edit the
src/other/gtk_wrappers.h file adding :

#ifdef GTK
#include <gtk/gtk.h>
#endif

after the check for GNOME.  Could you please let me know if
this fixes the problem.  If it does, I'll update the file
in CVS.

Thanks
-Jeff

> 
> Hi,
> Trying to compile using the SRPM Java-GTK 0.7 releae I get 
> the following
> compile error, any suggestions?
> 
> RPM build errors:
>     Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.7354 (%build)gcc -c -g -O2
> -fPIC -Iother other/gnu_gtk_GtkCell.c -o other/gnu_gtk_GtkCell.o -I
> /usr/java/jdk1.3.1/include -I /usr/java/jdk1.3.1/include/linux
> -I/usr/include/gtk-1.2 -I/usr/include/glib-1.2 -I/usr/lib/glib/include
> -I/usr/X11R6/include \
>      -I/usr/include/gnome-xml -I/usr/include/gtk-1.2
> -I/usr/include/glib-1.2 -I/usr/lib/glib/include -I/usr/X11R6/include
> -DGTK
> In file included from other/gnu_gtk_GtkCell.c:11:
> other/gtk_wrappers.h:15: parse error before `jobject_to_gpointer'
> other/gtk_wrappers.h:15: warning: data definition has no type 
> or storage
> class
> make[2]: *** [other/gnu_gtk_GtkCell.o] Error 1
> make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/java-gtk-0.7/src'
> make[1]: *** [gtk] Error 2
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/java-gtk-0.7/src'
> make: *** [distro] Error 2
> error: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.7354 (%build)
> 
> 
> RPM build errors:
>     Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.7354 (%build
> 
> Christian
> 
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[Java-gnome-developer] Error recompiling Java-GTK+

[Christian S. <ur...@li...>]

Hi,
Trying to compile using the SRPM Java-GTK 0.7 releae I get the following
compile error, any suggestions?

RPM build errors:
    Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.7354 (%build)gcc -c -g -O2
-fPIC -Iother other/gnu_gtk_GtkCell.c -o other/gnu_gtk_GtkCell.o -I
/usr/java/jdk1.3.1/include -I /usr/java/jdk1.3.1/include/linux
-I/usr/include/gtk-1.2 -I/usr/include/glib-1.2 -I/usr/lib/glib/include
-I/usr/X11R6/include \
     -I/usr/include/gnome-xml -I/usr/include/gtk-1.2
-I/usr/include/glib-1.2 -I/usr/lib/glib/include -I/usr/X11R6/include
-DGTK
In file included from other/gnu_gtk_GtkCell.c:11:
other/gtk_wrappers.h:15: parse error before `jobject_to_gpointer'
other/gtk_wrappers.h:15: warning: data definition has no type or storage
class
make[2]: *** [other/gnu_gtk_GtkCell.o] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/java-gtk-0.7/src'
make[1]: *** [gtk] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/java-gtk-0.7/src'
make: *** [distro] Error 2
error: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.7354 (%build)


RPM build errors:
    Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.7354 (%build

Christian

RE: [Java-gnome-developer] Testing

[Jeffrey M. <Jef...@Br...>]

Thanks for the input and feedback.  I have never seen the
problem you describe on the clist.  When it crashes does it
produce a core? What additional information can you provide?

-Jeff

> 
> Hello all
> 
> I've just joined this list.
> 
> I have tried out java-gnome 0.7 with the IBM JDK 1.3 for linux. 
> 
> Running the GTKTest:
> 
> I found that the clist causes a crash when you click add 10000 rows.
> Color and Font selection do nothing
> 
> Everything else seems to work as far as I can see.
> 
> I have also tried out the code with my free jvm 
> (http://kissme.sf.net/).
> 
> The results are similar, except:
> 
> Scrolled Windows is very slow (my JVM does not have a JIT).
> Font selection causes a crash and overwrites the stack trace 
> (I can't print a stack trace)
> Colour selection causes a crash and overwrites the stack 
> trace (I can't print a stack trace)
> Status bar does not push any lines (probably some problem 
> with the Classpath class libraries)
> 
> I discovered a possible bug:
> 
> Since the nativepeer field is of type long (not int), I think 
> this is more correct:
> 
> Index: src/other/callback_dispatcher.c
> ===================================================================
> RCS file: 
> /cvsroot/java-gnome/java-gnome/src/other/callback_dispatcher.c,v
> retrieving revision 1.17
> diff -r1.17 callback_dispatcher.c
> 31c31
> <     obj_pointer = (*env)->GetIntField(env, obj, gtkobj_fieldID);
> ---
> >     obj_pointer = (*env)->GetLongField(env, obj, gtkobj_fieldID);
> 
> I will try out the CVS version later.
> 
> Kudos to the the authors for a great job so far!
> 
> John Leuner
> 
> 
> 
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[Java-gnome-developer] CroMagnon enhancements and bug fixes

[Jayaram, R. <Rek...@di...>]

1. Fixed bugs in  Interpreting the cromagnon ranges
2. Added features to be able to create a new entry and to modify an
existing entry. The application now refreshes between the new/modify and
the main window. However because setModal () does not work. There is a
lag in refresing the main window. We need to get the setModal API to
work. So now if you do a new entry. You will only see it on the main
window,  when the new/modify window is invoked a second time.
Will be checking in the above changes on Oct/08, and will be available
for testing.


In future: working on getting the save feature to work.

Thanks
Rekha

[Java-gnome-developer] Enhancements to Cromagnon application

[Jayaram, R. <Rek...@di...>]

Fixed bugs
1. in  Interpreting the cromagnon ranges
2. Added features to be able to create a new entry and to modify an
existing entry. The application now refreshes between the new/modify and
the main window. However because setModal () does not work. There is a
lag in refresing the main window. We need to get the setModal API to
work. So now if you do a new entry. You will only see it on the main
window,  when the new/modify window is invoked a second time.
=20
Will be checking these files into CVS tomorrow. So should be available
Oct/08/2001 for testing.=20

Future will be working on getting the save feature to work.
Thanks,
Rekha

[Java-gnome-developer] Testing

[John L. <je...@pi...>]

Hello all

I've just joined this list.

I have tried out java-gnome 0.7 with the IBM JDK 1.3 for linux. 

Running the GTKTest:

I found that the clist causes a crash when you click add 10000 rows.
Color and Font selection do nothing

Everything else seems to work as far as I can see.

I have also tried out the code with my free jvm (http://kissme.sf.net/).

The results are similar, except:

Scrolled Windows is very slow (my JVM does not have a JIT).
Font selection causes a crash and overwrites the stack trace (I can't print a stack trace)
Colour selection causes a crash and overwrites the stack trace (I can't print a stack trace)
Status bar does not push any lines (probably some problem with the Classpath class libraries)

I discovered a possible bug:

Since the nativepeer field is of type long (not int), I think this is more correct:

Index: src/other/callback_dispatcher.c
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/java-gnome/java-gnome/src/other/callback_dispatcher.c,v
retrieving revision 1.17
diff -r1.17 callback_dispatcher.c
31c31
<     obj_pointer = (*env)->GetIntField(env, obj, gtkobj_fieldID);
---
>     obj_pointer = (*env)->GetLongField(env, obj, gtkobj_fieldID);

I will try out the CVS version later.

Kudos to the the authors for a great job so far!

John Leuner

[Java-gnome-developer] Updates in CVS

[Jeffrey M. <Jef...@Br...>]

One of the areas that severely lacked in Java-GNOME was the 
generated javadocs didn't have comments.  This is about
to change.  I have checked code into CVS that allows the
generator to insert comments into the code for a couple
of the constructs.   These comments are then inserted
into the javadocs.  If you have wanted to help the project
out but weren't sure how to contribute you could add comments
to the defs file.  For an example of how this is done you could
look at src/defs/gtk.defs.  The comments can only be inserted
into the "define-object" and "define-func" constructs but
more is to follow.

I have also placed a new document on the website.  It is a
comparison between the Java-GNOME APIs and the native library
APIs.  In the document you will find a table for each widget.
The table has three columns; one for the native API, one for
the corresponding Java-GNOME API and the third to indicate
if we have verified if the Java-GNOME API works properly.
Currently the third column is blank for all widgets.  By the
time of the next release this column will be filled in.  The
next release (0.7.1) will focus on completing this document
by adding methods where they currently do not exist, verifying 
the APIs in examples, and fixing broken methods.

Is anybody on the list using Java-GNOME with an IDE other 
than emacs or vi?  If so, would you consider writing a short
HOWTO describing what steps you had to complete in order to
get Java-GNOME to work with your IDE?

Thanks
-Jeffrey Morgan

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INSTEAD OF 2,000. 
Believe me, many people will do just that, and more! By the way, your cost 
to participate in this is practically nothing. You obviously already have 
an internet connection and e-mail is FREE!!! 

REPORT #2 and #5 will show you the best methods for bulk emailing, tell you 
where to obtain free bulk e-mail software and where to obtain e-mail lists 
and show you how to send out 1,000,000 e-mails for free. 

METHOD #2 - PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET 

1. Advertising on the 'Net is very, very inexpensive, and there are 
HUNDREDS of FREE places to advertise. Let's say you decide to start small 
just to see how well it works. Assume your goal is to get ONLY 6 people to 
participate on your first level. (Placing a lot of FREE ads on the internet 
will EASILY get a larger response.) Also assume that everyone else in YOUR 
ORGANIZATION gets ONLY 6 downline members. Follow this example to achieve 
the STAGGERING results below. 

1st level--your 6 members with $5 ($5 x 6)........................$30 
2nd level--6 members from those 6 ($5 x 36)....................$180 
3rd level--6 members from those 36 ($5 x 216)............ $1,080 
4th level--6 members from those 216 ($5 x 1,296)....... $6,480 
5th level-6 members from those 1,296 ($5 x 7,776)... $38,880 
.................................................$46,650 
_________________________________________________________________________ 


Remember friends, this assumes that the people who participate only recruit 
6 people each. Think for a moment what would happen if they got 20 people 
to participate! Many people will get 100's of participants! 
THINK ABOUT IT! 

For every $5.00 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them the report they 
ordered. THAT'S IT! ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ALL ORDERS! This 
will guarantee that the e-mail THEY send out, with YOUR name and address on 
it, will be prompt because they can't advertise until they receive the 
report! 

_________________________________________________________________________ 

AVAILABLE REPORTS 
_________________________________________________________________________ 
*** Order Each REPORT by NUMBER and NAME *** 

Notes: 

ALWAYS SEND $5 CASH (U.S. CURRENCY) FOR EACH REPORT 
CHECKS NOT ACCEPTED 
ALWAYS SEND YOUR ORDER VIA FIRST CLASS MAIL 
Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least two sheets of 
paper. On one of those sheets of paper, include: 

(a) the number & name of the report you are ordering
(b) your e-mail address  (So your report can come by email)
(c) your name & postal address.


**** Place your name in the 1st report. Move the rest of the names
     down causing whoever is in 5th position to go off the list.****


PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW: 
______________________________________________________ 

REPORT #1 "The Insider's Guide to Advertising for Free on the Internet" 

ORDER REPORT #1 FROM 

Ross Pawley
540 NW 2nd St. Apt7
Prineville, OR 97754
______________________________________________________ 

REPORT #2 "The Insider's Guide to Sending Bulk E-mail on the Internet" 

ORDER REPORT #2 FROM: 


Spatter
2700 Waterview Pkwy. #4612
Richardson, TX 75080
__________________________________________________ 

REPORT #3 "The Secrets to Multilevel Marketing on the Internet" 

ORDER REPORT #3 FROM: 


Jamie Strickland
P.o Box 253
Charlton Heights, WV 25040
______________________________________________________ 

REPORT #4 "How to become a Millionaire utilizing the Power of Multilevel 
Marketing and the Internet" 

ORDER REPORT #4 FROM: 

Andrea Hataway 
608 W. 8th St. 
Lancaster,  TX 75146

______________________________________________________ 

REPORT #5 "How to SEND 1,000,000 e-mails for FREE" 

ORDER REPORT #5 FROM: 

Robin Stice 
690 Crespi Dr 
Pacifica, CA 94044 

______________________________________________________ 

______________________________________________________ 

There currently more than 175,000,000 people online worldwide! 


******* TIPS FOR SUCCESS ******* 

* TREAT THIS AS YOUR BUSINESS! Be prompt, professional, 
and follow the directions accurately. 

* Send for the five reports IMMEDIATELY so you will have 
them when the orders start coming in because: 

When you receive a $5 order, you MUST send out the requested 
product/report. 

* ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON THE ORDERS YOU RECEIVE. 


* Be patient and persistent with this program. If you follow the 
instructions exactly, your results WILL BE SUCCESSFUL! 

* ABOVE ALL, HAVE FAITH IN YOURSELF AND KNOW YOU WILL SUCCEED! 


******* YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES ******* 

Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success: 

If you don't receive 20 orders for REPORT #1 within two weeks, continue 
advertising or sending e-mails until you do. Then, a couple of weeks later 
you should receive at least 100 orders for REPORT#2. If you don't, continue 
advertising or sending e-mails until you do. 

Once you have received 100 or more orders for REPORT #2, YOU CAN RELAX, 
because the system is already working for you, and the cash will continue 
to roll in! 

THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: 

Every time your name is moved down on the list, you are placed in front of 
a DIFFERENT report. You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which 
report people are ordering from you. If you want to generate more income, 
send another batch of e-mails or continue placing ads and start the whole 
process again! There is no limit to the income you will generate from this 
business! 



Before you make your decision as to whether or not you participate in this 
program. Please answer one question. DO YOU WANT TO CHANGE YOUR LIFE? If 
the answer is yes, please look at the following facts about this 
program: 

1. YOU ARE SELLING A PRODUCT WHICH DOES NOT 
COST ANYTHING TO PRODUCE! 

2. YOU ARE SELLING A PRODUCT WHICH DOES NOT 
COST ANYTHING TO SHIP! 

3. YOU ARE SELLING A PRODUCT WHICH DOES NOT 
COST YOU ANYTHING TO ADVERTISE! 

4. YOU ARE UTILIZING THE POWER OF THE INTERNET 
AND THE POWER OF MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING TO 
DISTRIBUTE YOUR PRODUCT ALL OVER THE WORLD! 

5. YOUR ONLY EXPENSES OTHER THAN YOUR 
INITIAL $25 INVESTMENT IS YOUR TIME! 

6. VIRTUALLY ALL OF THE INCOME YOU GENERATE 
FROM THIS PROGRAM IS PURE PROFIT! 


******* T E S T I M O N I A L S ******* 

This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY! Especially the rule 
of not trying to place your name in a different position, it won't work and 
you'll lose a lot of potential income. I'm living proof that it works. It 
really is a great opportunity to make relatively easy money, with little 
cost to you. If you do choose to participate, follow the program exactly, 
and you'll be on your way to financial security. 
Fred Dellaca, Westport, New Zealand 

My name is Mitchell. My wife, Jody, and I live in Chicago, IL. I am a cost 
accountant with a major U.S. Corporation and I make pretty good money. When 
I received the program I grumbled to Jody about receiving "junk mail." I 
made fun of the whole thing, spouting my knowledge of the population and 
percentages involved. I "knew" it wouldn't work. Jody totally ignored my 
supposed intelligence and jumped in with both feet. I made merciless fun of 
her, and was ready to lay the old "I told you so" on her when the thing 
didn't work... well, the laugh was on me! Within two weeks she had received 
over 50 responses. Within 45 days she had received over $147,200 in $5 
bills! I was shocked! I was sure that I had it all figured and that it 
wouldn't work. I AM a believer now. I have joined Jody in her "hobby." I 
did have seven more years until retirement, but I think of the "rat race" 
and it's not for me. We owe it all to MLM. 
Mitchell Wolf MD., Chicago, IL 

The main reason for this letter is to convince you that this system is 
honest, lawful, extremely profitable, and is a way to get a large amount of 
money in a short time. I was approached several times before I checked this 
out. I joined just to see what one could expect in return for the minimal 
effort and money required. To my astonishment, I received $36,470.00 in the 
first 14 weeks, with money still coming in. 
Sincerely yours, 
Pam Hedland Halmstad, Sweden 

Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to 
participate in this plan. But conservative that I am, I decided that the 
initial investment was so little that there was just no way that I wouldn't 
get enough orders to at least get my money back. I surprised when I found 
my medium-size post office box crammed with orders! For awhile, it got so 
overloaded that I had to start picking up my mail at the window. I'll make 
more money this year than any 10 years of my life before. The nice thing 
about this deal is that it doesn't matter where people live. There simply 
isn't a better investment with a faster return. 
Dan Sondstrom, Alberta, Canada 

I had received this program before. I deleted it, but later I wondered if I 
shouldn't have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to 
get another copy, so I had to wait until I was e-mailed another program, 
11 months passed then it came...I didn't delete this one!...I made more 
than $41,000 on the first try!! 
Mohamed, Cairo, Egypt 

This is my third time to participate in this plan. We have quit our jobs, 
and will soon buy a home on the beach and live off the interest on our 
money. The only way on earth that this plan will work for you is if you do 
it. For your sake, and for your family's sake don't pass up this golden 
opportunity. 
Good luck and happy spending! 
Sam Lee Suva, Fiji Islands 


ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET STARTED ON YOUR ROAD TO FINANCIAL 
FREEDOM! 

NOW IS THE TIME FOR YOUR TURN 

DECISIVE ACTION YIELDS POWERFUL RESULTS 

_________________________________________________________________________ 

PLEASE NOTE: If you need help with starting a business, registering a 
business name, learning how income tax is handled, etc., contact your local 
office of the Small Business Administration (a Federal agency) 
1-(800)827-5722 for free help and answers to questions. Also, the Internal 
Revenue Service offers free help via telephone and free seminars about 
business tax requirements. Your earnings and results are highly dependant 
on your activities and advertising. This letter constitutes no guarantees 
stated nor implied. In the event that it is determined that this letter 
constitutes a guarantee of any kind, that guarantee is now void. Any 
testimonials or amounts of earnings listed in this letter may be factual or 
non-verifiable. If you have any question of the legality of this letter 
contact the Office of Associate Director for Marketing Practices Federal 
Trade Commission Bureau of Consumer Protection in Washington DC. 


______________________________________________________________________ 

Under Bill s.1618 TITLE III passed by the 105th US Congress this letter 
cannot be considered spam as long as the sender includes contact information 
and a method of removal. To be Removed please reply to email with the words 
REMOVE in the subject area. 

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[President of V. S. - V. D'U. <ve...@ma...>]

WORK AT HOME USING YOUR COMPUTER!!! 

_________________________________________________________________ 

Dear Friend, 

You can earn $46,000 or more in next the 90 days sending e-mail. 
Seem impossible? Read on for details (no, there is no "catch")... 

_________________________________________________________________________ 



"AS SEEN ON NATIONAL T.V." 

Thank you for your time and Interest. 


This is the letter you've been reading about in the news lately. 

Due to the popularity of this letter on the internet, a major nightly news 
program recently devoted an entire show to the investigation of the program 
described below, to see if it really can make people money. 

The show also investigated whether or not the program was legal. Their 
findings proved once and for all that there are, absolutely no laws 
prohibiting the participation in the program. This has helped to show 
people that this is a simple, harmless and fun way to make some extra money 
at home. 

The results of this show has been truly remarkable. So many people are 
participating that those involved are doing, much better than ever before. 
Since everyone makes more as more people try it out, its been very exciting 
to be a part of lately. You will understand once you experience it. 

"HERE IT IS BELOW" 

_________________________________________________________________________ 
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*** Print This Now For Future Reference *** 

The following income opportunity is one you may be interested in taking a 
look at. It can be started with VERY LITTLE investment and the income 
return is TREMENDOUS!!! 

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ 

If you would like to make at least $46,000 in less than 90 days! Please 
read the enclosed program...THEN READ IT AGAIN!!! 

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THIS IS A LEGITIMATE, LEGAL, MONEY MAKING OPPORTUNITY. It does not require 
you to come into contact with people, do any hard work, and best of all, 
you never have to leave the house except to get the mail. If you believe 
that someday you'll get that big break that you've been waiting for, THIS 
IS IT! Simply follow the instructions, and your dreams will come true. 


This multi-level e-mail order marketing program works perfectly...100\% 
EVERY TIME. E-mail is the sales tool of the future. Take advantage of this 
non-commercialized method of advertising NOW!!! The longer you wait, the 
more people will be doing business using e-mail. Get your piece of this 
action!!! 


MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING (MLM) has finally gained respectability. It is being 
taught in the Harvard Business School, and both Stanford Research and the 
Wall Street Journal have stated that between 50\% and 65\% of all goods and 
services will be sold through multi-level methods by the mid to late 1990's. 


This is a Multi-Billion Dollar industry and of the 3,500,000 millionaires 
in the WORLD, 20\% ( 700,000) made their fortune in the last several years 
in MLM. Moreover, statistics show that over 100 people become millionaires 
everyday through Multi-Level Marketing. 

You may have heard this story before, but over the summer Donald Trump (A 
MULTI-BILLIONAIRE, ONE OF THE WEALTHIEST MEN IN THE WORLD) made an 
appearance on the David Letterman show. Dave asked him what he would do if 
he lost everything and had to start over from scratch. Without hesitating, 
Trump said he would find a good network marketing company and get to work. 
The audience started to hoot and boo him. He looked out at the audience and 
dead-panned his response "That's why I'm sitting up here and you are all 
sitting out there!" 

With network marketing you have two sources of income. Direct commissions 
from sales you make yourself and commissions from sales made by people you 
introduce to the business. 

Residual income is the secret of the wealthy. It means investing time or 
money once and getting paid again and again and again. In network 
marketing, it also means getting paid for the work of others. 

This program is currently being utilized in more than 50 different 
countries across the world. 

The enclosed INF0RMATION is something I almost let slip through my fingers. 
Fortunately, sometime later I re-read everything and gave some thought and 
study to it. 

My name is Johnathon Rourke. Two years ago, the corporation I worked at for 
the past twelve years down-sized and my position was eliminated. After 
unproductive job interviews, I decided to open my own business. Over the 
past year, I incurred many unforeseen financial problems. I owed my family, 
friends and creditors over $35,000. The economy was taking a toll on my 
business and I just couldn't seem to make ends meet. I had to refinance and 
borrow against my home to support my family and struggling business. AT 
THAT MOMENT something significant happened in my life and I am writing to 
share the experience in hopes that this will change your life FOREVER 
FINANCIALLY!!! 

In mid December, I received this program via e-mail. Six month's prior to 
receiving this program I had been sending away for INF0RMATION on various 
business opportunities. All of the programs I received, in my opinion, were 
not cost effective. They were either too difficult for me to comprehend or 
the initial investment was too much for me to risk to see if they would 
work or not. One claimed that I would make a million dollars in one 
year...it didn't tell me I'd have to write a book to make it! 

But like I was saying, in December of 1997 I received this program. I 
didn't send for it, or ask for it, they just got my name off a mailing 
list. THANK GOODNESS FOR THAT!!! After reading it several times, to make 
sure I was reading it correctly, I couldn't believe my eyes. Here was a 
MONEY MAKING PHENOMENON. I could invest as much as I wanted to start, 
without putting me further into debt. After I got a pencil and paper and 
figured it out, I would at least get my money back. But like most of you I 
was still a little skeptical and a little worried about the legal aspects 
of it all. So I checked it out with the U.S. Post Office (1-800-725-2161 
24-hrs) and they confirmed that it is indeed legal! After determining the 
program was LEGAL and NOT A CHAIN LETTER, I decided "WHY NOT." 

Initially I sent out 100,000 e-mails. It cost me about $15 for my time 
on-line. The great thing about e-mail is that I don't need any money for 
printing to send out the program, and because all of my orders are 
fulfilled via e-mail, the only expense is my time. I am telling you like it 
is, I hope it doesn't turn you off, but I promised myself that I would not 
"rip-off" anyone, no matter how much money it cost me. 

In less than one week, I was starting to receive orders for REPORT #1. By 
January 13, I had received 26 orders for REPORT #1. Your goal is to 
"RECEIVE at least 20 ORDERS FOR REPORT #1 WITHIN 2 WEEKS. IF YOU DON'T, 
SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO!" My first step in making $46,000 in 90 
days was done. 


By January 30, I had received 196 orders for REPORT #2. Your goal is to 
"RECEIVE AT LEAST 100+ ORDERS FOR REPORT #2 WITHIN 2 WEEKS. IF NOT, SEND 
OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO. ONCE YOU HAVE 100 ORDERS, THE REST IS EASY, 
RELAX, YOU WILL MAKE YOUR $46,000 GOAL." Well, I had 196 orders for 
REPORT #2, 96 more than I needed. So I sat back and relaxed. 


By March 1, of my e-mailing of 100,000, I received $42,000 with more coming 
in every day. 

I paid off ALL my debts and bought a much needed new car. Please take time 
to read the attached program, IT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER!!! Remember, 
it won't work if you don't try it. This program does work, but you must 
follow it EXACTLY! Especially the rules of not trying to place your name in 
a different place. It won't work, you'll lose out on a lot of money! In 
order for this program to work, you must meet your goal of 20+ orders for 
REPORT #1, and 100+ orders for REPORT #2 and you will make $46,000 or more 
in 90 days. I AM LIVING PROOF THAT IT WORKS!!! 

If you choose not to participate in this program, I am sorry. It really is 
a great opportunity with little cost or risk to you. If you choose to 
participate, follow the program and you will be on your way to financial 
security. 

If you are a fellow business owner and are if financial trouble like I was, 
or you want to start your own business, consider this a sign. I DID! 

Sincerely, 

Johnathon Rourke 


A PERSONAL NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM: 

By the time you have read the enclosed program and reports, you should have 
concluded that such a program, and one that is legal, could not have been 
created by an amateur. 


Let me tell you a little about myself. I had a profitable business for 10 
years. Then in 1979 my business began falling off. I was doing the same 
things that were previously successful for me, but it wasn't working. 
Finally, I figured it out. It wasn't me, it was the economy. Inflation and 
recession had replaced the stable economy that had been with us since 1945. 
I don't have to tell you what happened to the unemployment rate... because 
many of you know from first hand experience. There were more failures and 
bankruptcies than ever before. 

The middle class was vanishing. Those who knew what they were doing 
invested wisely and moved up. Those who did not, including those who never 
had anything to save or invest, were moving down into the ranks of the 
poor. As the saying goes, "THE RICH GET RICHER AND THE POOR GET POORER." 
The traditional methods of making money will never allow you to "move up" 
or "get rich", inflation will see to that. 

You have just received INF0RMATION that can give you financial freedom for 
the rest of your life, with "NO RISK" and "JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT." 
You can make more money in the next few months than you have ever 
imagined. 

I should also point out that I will not see a penny of this money, nor 
anyone else who has provided a testimonial for this program. I have already 
made over 4 MILLION DOLLARS! I have retired from the program after sending 
out over 1,600,000 programs. Now I have several offices that make this and 
several other programs here and over seas. 

Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do not change it in any way. It 
works exceedingly well as it is now. Remember to e-mail a copy of this 
exciting report to everyone you can think of. One of the people you send 
this to may send out 100,000 or more...and your name will be on everyone of 
them! Remember though, the more you send out the more potential customers 
you will reach. 

So my friend, I have given you the ideas, INF0RMATION, materials and 
opportunity to become financially independent, IT IS UP TO YOU NOW! 

"THINK ABOUT IT" 


Before you delete this program from your mailbox, as I almost did, take a 
little time to read it and REALLY THINK ABOUT IT. Get a pencil and figure 
out what could happen when YOU participate. Figure out the worst possible 
response and no matter how you calculate it, you will still make lot of 
money! You will definitely get back what you invested. Any doubts you have 
will vanish when your first orders come in. IT WORKS! 
Jody Jacobs, Richmond, VA 

HERE'S HOW THIS AMAZING PROGRAM WILL MAKE YOU THOUSANDS OF DOLLAR$ 

INSTRUCTIONS: 

This method of raising capital REALLY WORKS 100% EVERY TIME. I am sure that 
you could use up to $46,000 or more in the next 90 days. Before you say 
"BULL... ", please read this program carefully. This is not a chain letter, 
but a perfectly legal money making opportunity. Basically, this is what you 
do: 

As with all multi-level businesses, we build our business by recruiting new 
partners and selling our products. Because of the global nature of the 
internet, you will be able to recruit new multi-level business partners 
from all over the world, and we offer a product for EVERY dollar sent. YOUR 
ORDERS COME BY MAIL AND ARE FILLED BY E-MAIL, so you are not involved in 
personal selling. You do it privately in your own home, store or office. 
This is the GREATEST Multi-Level Mail Order Marketing anywhere. 

This is what you MUST do: 

1. Order all 5 reports shown on the list below 
(you can't sell them if you don't order them). 

a. For each report, send $5.00 CASH, the NAME & NUMBER OF THE REPORT YOU 
ARE ORDERING, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS, and YOUR NAME & RETURN ADDRESS (in case 
of a problem) to the person whose name appears on the list next to the 
report. 
MAKE SURE YOUR RETURN ADDRESS IS ON YOUR ENVELOPE IN CASE OF ANY MAIL 
PROBLEMS! 

b. When you place your order, make sure you order each of the five reports. 
You will need all five reports so that you can save them on your computer 
and resell them. 

c. Within a few days you will receive, via e-mail, each of the five 
reports. Save them on your computer so they will be accessible for you to 
send to the 1,000's of people who will order them from you. 

2. IMPORTANT-- DO NOT alter the names of the people who are listed next to 
each report, or their sequence on the list, in any way other than is 
instructed below in steps "a" through "g" or you will lose out on the 
majority of your profits. Once you understand the way this works, you'll 
also see how it doesn't work if you change it. Remember, this method has 
been tested, and if you alter it, it will not work. 

a. Look below for the listing of available reports. 

b. After you've ordered the five reports, take this advertisement and 
REM0VE the name and address under REPORT #5. This person has made it 
through the cycle and is no doubt counting their $46,000! Also, change the 
name of the company, the address, and the REM0VE e-mail address on the top 
of this document to your own. 

c. Move the name and address under REPORT #4 down to REPORT #5. 

d. Move the name and address under REPORT #3 down to REPORT #4. 

e. Move the name and address under REPORT #2 down to REPORT #3. 

f. Move the name and address under REPORT #1 down to REPORT #2. 

g. Insert your name/address in the REPORT #1 position. 

Please make sure you copy every name and address ACCURATELY! 

3. Take this entire letter, including the modified list of names, and save 
it to your computer. Make NO changes to the instruction portion of this 
letter. 

Your cost to participate in this is practically nothing (surely you can 
afford $25). You obviously already have an Internet connection and e-mail 
is FREE! 

To assist you with marketing your business on the internet, the 5 reports 
you purchase will provide you with invaluable marketing INF0RMATION which 
includes how to send bulk e-mails, where to find thousands of free 
classified ads and much, much more. 

In addition you will be provided with INF0MATION on Internet Marketing 
Clubs such as INTERNET MARKETING RESOURCES(IMR): This is one the premiere 
internet marketing clubs on the INTERNET. This club provides a forum where 
internet marketers from all over the world can exchange ideas and secrets 
on Internet Marketing. In addition, members of this club are provided free 
internet marketing tools and services for the Do-Yourself-Internet-Marketer. 

They will provide you with free bulk e-mail software and up to 1,000,000 
fresh e-mail addresses each week. This club will provide you with hundreds 
of free resources which include: How to obtain free web sites, how to 
obtain top rankings in search engines for your web-site, how to send bulk 
e-mail into AOL and Compuserve, how to market your products on newsgroups, 
free classified ads, electronic malls, bulletin boards, banner ads and much 
more. 

There are two primary methods of building your downline: 

METHOD #1: SENDING BULK E-MAIL 

Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes, and 
we'll assume you and all those involved send out only 2,000 programs each. 
Let's also assume that the mailing receives a 0.3\% response. Using a good 
list the response could be much better. Also, many people will send out 
hundreds of thousands of programs instead of 2,000. But continuing with 
this example, you send out only 2,000 programs. With a 0.3\% response, that 
is only 6 orders for REPORT #1. Those 6 people respond by sending out 2,000 
programs each for a total of 12,000. Out of those 0.3\%, 36 people respond 
and order REPORT #2. Those 36 mail out 2,000 programs each for a total of 
72,000. The 0.3\% response to that is 216 orders for REPORT #3. Those 216 
send out 2,000 programs each for a 432,000 total. The 0.3\% response to that 
is 1,296 orders for REPORT #4. Those 1,296 send out 2,000 programs each for 
a 2,592,000 total. The 0.3\% response to that is 7,776 orders for REPORT #5. 


That's 7,776 $5 bills for you, CASH!!! Your total income in this example is 
$30 + $180 + $1,080+ $6,480 + $38,880 for a total of $46,650!!! 

REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING 1,994 OUT OF THE 2,000 PEOPLE YOU MAIL TO 
WILL DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AND TRASH THIS PROGRAM! DARE TO THINK FOR A 
MOMENT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF EVERYONE, OR HALF SENT OUT 100,000 PROGRAMS 
INSTEAD OF 2,000. 
Believe me, many people will do just that, and more! By the way, your cost 
to participate in this is practically nothing. You obviously already have 
an internet connection and e-mail is FREE!!! 

REPORT #2 and #5 will show you the best methods for bulk emailing, tell you 
where to obtain free bulk e-mail software and where to obtain e-mail lists 
and show you how to send out 1,000,000 e-mails for free. 

METHOD #2 - PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET 

1. Advertising on the 'Net is very, very inexpensive, and there are 
HUNDREDS of FREE places to advertise. Let's say you decide to start small 
just to see how well it works. Assume your goal is to get ONLY 6 people to 
participate on your first level. (Placing a lot of FREE ads on the internet 
will EASILY get a larger response.) Also assume that everyone else in YOUR 
ORGANIZATION gets ONLY 6 downline members. Follow this example to achieve 
the STAGGERING results below. 

1st level--your 6 members with $5 ($5 x 6)........................$30 
2nd level--6 members from those 6 ($5 x 36)....................$180 
3rd level--6 members from those 36 ($5 x 216)............ $1,080 
4th level--6 members from those 216 ($5 x 1,296)....... $6,480 
5th level-6 members from those 1,296 ($5 x 7,776)... $38,880 
.................................................$46,650 
_________________________________________________________________________ 


Remember friends, this assumes that the people who participate only recruit 
6 people each. Think for a moment what would happen if they got 20 people 
to participate! Many people will get 100's of participants! 
THINK ABOUT IT! 

For every $5.00 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them the report they 
ordered. THAT'S IT! ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ALL ORDERS! This 
will guarantee that the e-mail THEY send out, with YOUR name and address on 
it, will be prompt because they can't advertise until they receive the 
report! 

_________________________________________________________________________ 

AVAILABLE REPORTS 
_________________________________________________________________________ 
*** Order Each REPORT by NUMBER and NAME *** 

Notes: 

ALWAYS SEND $5 CASH (U.S. CURRENCY) FOR EACH REPORT 
CHECKS NOT ACCEPTED 
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**** Place your name in the 1st report. Move the rest of the names
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______________________________________________________ 

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______________________________________________________ 

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__________________________________________________ 

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______________________________________________________ 

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______________________________________________________ 

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______________________________________________________ 

______________________________________________________ 

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______________________________________________________________________ 

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and a method of removal. To be Removed please reply to email with the words 
REMOVE in the subject area. 

Re: [Java-gnome-developer] Compiling --with-gtk

[Takashi H. <hta...@ya...>]

Hi.

> I am not sure how to install 'gnome', I am running GNOME apps but I don't know what provides gnome-config. I am running Debian/testing.

I am also using Debian/testing. In this system, 
libgnome-dev package contains /usr/bin/gnome-config.

-- 
Hattori Takashi  <hta...@ya...>

GPG Fingerprint = 2BB1 87F8 956F 508A 4F78  F90C B4C8 B613 536B 1A7 
http://isweb2.infoseek.co.jp/~threeweb/

[Java-gnome-developer] Compiling --with-gtk

[John L. <je...@pi...>]

Hello everyone

I'm new to this list (and project).

I tried to compile the CVS and 0.7 release with the following commands:

./configure --with-gtk-only --with-java-prefix=/usr/local/jdk1.3 

In both cases I get this error:


gcc -c -g -O2 -fPIC -Iother other/gnu_gtk_GtkCell.c -o other/gnu_gtk_GtkCell.o -I /usr/local/jdk1.3/include -I /usr/local/jdk1.3/include/ -I/usr/include/gtk-1.2 -I/usr/include/glib-1.2 -I/usr/lib/glib/include \
     -I/usr/include/gnome-xml -I/usr/include/gtk-1.2 -I/usr/include/glib-1.2 -I/usr/lib/glib/include -DGTK
In file included from other/gnu_gtk_GtkCell.c:11:
other/gtk_wrappers.h:15: parse error before `jobject_to_gpointer'
other/gtk_wrappers.h:15: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
make[2]: *** [other/gnu_gtk_GtkCell.o] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/jleuner/dev/java-gnome-0.7/src'
make[1]: *** [gtk] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/jleuner/dev/java-gnome-0.7/src'
make: *** [distro] Error 2


My gtk version:

gtk-config --version                                          
1.2.10


I can't compile the full 'gnome' version because the make process does not detect gnome-config.

I am not sure how to install 'gnome', I am running GNOME apps but I don't know what provides gnome-config. I am running Debian/testing.

Thanks
John Leuner

RE: [Java-gnome-developer] Pb with call back signature for insert _text signal.

[Jeffrey M. <Jef...@Br...>]

I have the solution for the problem you were encountering.
The callback insert_text has a signature of:

void (*insert_text) 	(GtkEditable *editable,
			   	const char *text,
			   	gint length,
				gint *position);

Your callback needs to be changed to the following:

public void insert_text(String text, int length, 
				GtkObject position)

As you can see, the final argument is not handled
correctly.  This is due to the fact that it is a 
pointer.  In the callback code I cannot determine
the actual type of the data for the pointer.  This
makes the position parameter useless.

Hope this helps.

-Jeff


> 
> Jeffrey Morgan wrote:
> 
>  > Is the printout below taken directly from the output
>  > when you run the app?
> 
> 
> Yes.
> 
>  > If so, you possibly have a serious
>  > problem with your JVM.  The part of the output that
>  > reads "ILgnu/gtk/GtkObject" is very strange.
> 
> 
> Yes, I had been wondering if that was normal or not...
> 
> I have recompiled and reinstalled Java Gnome and retried my small app 
> with another JVM (Sun jdk1.3.1_01 instead of IBM jdk 1.3) 
> with the same 
> result (same error message with the same strange formating).
> 
>  > Can
>  > you send me the entire example and I'll take a look at
>  > it.
> 
> 
> Sure, it's minimal and directly adapted from the samples.
> 
> I attach the java source and the glade widget definition.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Eric
> 
> 
>  >
>  > -Jeff
>  >
>  >  > However, at run time, my insert_text method isn't found:
>  >  >
>  >  > vdv@evlist:~/Projects/project1$ java Edit
>  >  > *** ERROR ***:  Java-GNOME - cannot find callback method
>  >  > insert_text in
>  >  > the specified object with signature
>  >  > (Ljava/lang/String;ILgnu/gtk/GtkObject;)V
>  >  > *** ERROR ***:  Java-GNOME - exception is:
>  >  > Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoSuchMethodError: 
> insert_text
>  >  >       at gnu.gdk.BaseObject.signalConnect(Native Method)
>  >  >       at Edit.<init>(Edit.java:12)
>  >  >       at Edit.main(Edit.java:77)
>  >  >
>  >  > ** WARNING **:  Java-GNOME - signal will not be mapped
>  >  >
>  >
> 
> -- 
> See you in Scottsdale, Arizona.
>        
> http://xmlconnections.com/xml/xmlfall2001/speakers.asp#evandervlist
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> ----------
> Eric van der Vlist       http://xmlfr.org            
> http://dyomedea.com
> http://xsltunit.org      http://4xt.org           
> http://examplotron.org
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> ----------
> 
> 

RE: [Java-gnome-developer] Re: What to do in order to make the gn ome development platform rock.

[Jeffrey M. <Jef...@Br...>]

I believe there are three factors that are critical for the
success of this effort/review.  They are:

1) The language bindings projects need to be strongly
represented.  As Kenneth stated, many developers don't want
to use C.  For GNOME to be a successful development platform
we need to offer the developers the choice of several languages.

2) The development community (not just GNOME hackers, but
application developers as well) need to be able to voice their
ideas.  More than anyone else, they can tell us what would make
their development efforts simpler.  Perhaps one of the GNOME
websites could be setup to accept input.

3) Very clear goals and objectives should be defined prior to
the start of the effort.  Also, all parties should agree to the
goals and objectives and should be committed to implementing
the final recommendations of the review.

-Jeff


> 
> Why don't we hand it down to the sub-comittee on technical affairs who
> can convene a pow-wow to hammer this issue out and finalize an initial
> proposal on deliverables to be ratified by the working group on
> technical affairs within a three week timeframe?
> 
> ;-)
> 
> -Seth
> On 16 Sep 2001 11:27:29 -0400, Jeffrey Morgan wrote:
> > I am in total support for standardizing on a common
> > namespace packaging across language bindings or whatever 
> > it takes to lower the entry barrier for new developers.  
> > Kenneth, you definitely seem to have a passion for this 
> > and have given it some thought.  I propose you organize 
> > and facilitate a working group comprised of one 
> > representative from each language binding project that 
> > wants to participate.  The goal of this working group is 
> > to deliver recommendations on how we can simplify the
> > learning curve new developers face when coming to GNOME.
> > I would hope the initial proposal could be delivered
> > within a few weeks.  
> > 
> > -Jeffrey Morgan
> > 
> > > 
> > > Hi Kenneth,
> > > Well as someone just begining to meddle in Java I like your 
> > > ideas, I am
> > > CC'ing it to the java-gnome list also. 
> > > 
> > > I think giving official status of a set of bindings would 
> > > probably also
> > > be an idea, for instance there are 3 different Java 
> bindings for GTK+
> > > and GNOME underway AFAIK and maybe if one of them got 
> > > recognised as the
> > > official GNOME bindings the duplication of effort could 
> be minimized.
> > > 
> > > One thing I do think however is that we should demand that 
> > > any language
> > > bindings that are to become/get approved as the official 
> > > GNOME and GTK+
> > > language bindings are that they move into GNOME CVS.
> > > 
> > > Christian
> > > 
> > > On Sat, 2001-09-15 at 19:17, Kenneth Rohde Christiansen wrote:
> > > > Some thoughs of mine, please read:
> > > > 
> > > > By attending the university you often hear non-gnome and non-kde
> > > > developers discuss different platforms, technologies, kde 
> > > and gnome.   
> > > > While listening to this I have a bigger understanding why 
> > > these people  
> > > > don't join our project.
> > > > 
> > > > One of the reasons is that many people actually don't like 
> > > C very much,
> > > > and when these people want to code Gnome they go look for 
> > > bindings.   
> > > > Many Gnome developers think that Gnome is very cool 
> with all it's
> > > > binding,
> > > > but this thought is not shared with the whole world outside out
> > > > community.
> > > > 
> > > > Many people think that the Gnome development platform is 
> > > difficult to
> > > > understand. There are lots of libraries, and they are not 
> > > organized in a
> > > > nice class library. This is possible to do with bindings to OO
> > > > languages, but is as far as I know, not done.
> > > > 
> > > > For instance, Java-GNOME has the following 
> "namespaces"/"packages":
> > > > 
> > > > gnu.gdk, gnu.gtk, gnu.glade, gnu.gnome
> > > > 
> > > > This is very close to the C libs, so it would be easy to 
> > > switch to Java
> > > > from programming Gnome in C. But almost noone does this. 
> > > People who want
> > > > to use the Java bindings is often people who don't like C.
> > > > 
> > > > Now the naming is also very unlucky for Java-GNOME as 
> gnu.gnome is
> > > > actually gnome-libs, but for people from the outside Gnome 
> > > consists of
> > > > gtk, gdk, glade, gnome-libs, etc, so the class library 
> > > seems weird to
> > > > these people. Also the class library for a binding 
> doesn't have to
> > > > reflect that it is made by using gdk, gtk or whatever.
> > > > 
> > > > If we want people to use these bindings we have to make 
> > > them easy and
> > > > hide implimentation/bindings details.
> > > > 
> > > > An idea for Java-GNOME could be like this:
> > > > 
> > > > org.gnome.drawing                       - gdk
> > > > org.gnome.ui                            - gtk
> > > > org.gnome.ui.extra                      - libgnomeui + bonoboui
> > > > org.gnome.ui.glade                      - glade
> > > > org.gnome.accessibility                 - atk
> > > > org.gnome.containers (or .utils)        - glib containers 
> > > wrappers    
> > > > org.gnome.canvas                        - libgnomecanvas
> > > > org.gnome.vfs                           - gnome-vfs
> > > > org.gnome.config                        - gconf or bonobo-conf
> > > > org.gnome.bonobo                        - bonobo
> > > > org.gnome.bonobo.activation             - bonobo-activation
> > > > org.gnome.xml                           - libxml (if it 
> > > makes sence to
> > > > bind)
> > > > org.gnome.print                         - libgnomeprint
> > > > --
> > > > org.gnome.misc.eel                      - eel
> > > > org.gnome.misc.gal                      - gal
> > > > org.gnome.misc.panel                    - panel applets
> > > > ...etc.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > This doesn't confuse people with the difference with gtk, 
> > > gdk and gnome,
> > > > and it integrates well with the Java language. All not well 
> > > integrated
> > > > things have been put in org.gnome.misc and might be 
> moved elsewhere
> > > > later.
> > > > 
> > > > A similar hierachy can be used for C++ bindings.
> > > > 
> > > > Also, something people don't like about the Gnome bindings 
> > > is that none
> > > > are OFFICIAL. For people outside our community it seems that the
> > > > bindings 
> > > > are made by people with no connection to the Gnome 
> > > Community, and they
> > > > then fear the quality of the bindings, and goes elsewhere.
> > > > 
> > > > What can we do to make this better? Should we decide on a 
> > > class library
> > > > that should be followed by binders if they want their 
> bindings to be
> > > > official. Do we need some kind of quality control?
> > > > 
> > > > I really think that we should get some good Java bindings. 
> > > Both Sun and
> > > > IBM said that they support Gnome, and they both have a 
> > > strong Java    
> > > > commitment. Cooperation with Sun and IBM about this would 
> > > really rock.
> > > > Maybe something for the Gnome Foundation?.
> > > > 
> > > > Also the development pages really scare people away.
> > > > 
> > > > Take a look at these two pages:
> > > > 
> > > > 
http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/macosx/Cocoa/CocoaTopics.html
> > > http://developer.apple.com/macosx/architecture/
> > > 
> > > We really need something like this. And we need to group our
> > > technologies,
> > > maybe something like this could be an idea?
> > > 
> > > GNOME System Architecture
> > > -------------------------
> > > 
> > > GNOME User Experience (libgnome, glade, gtk, gdk)
> > > --
> > > Bonobo Component System
> > > GNOME Language Framework (Java-GNOME, python, etc)
> > > GNOME Multimedia Framework (gstreamer)
> > > --
> > > Linux/UNIX Kernel
> > > UNIX into the future. GNOME expands on many open souce
> > > and industry standards towards providing UNIX users and
> > > developers with a userfriendly and powerful desktop and
> > > development platform.
> > > 
> > > Anyway, it's just some ideas. Please comment
> > > 
> > > Cheers, Kenneth
> > > 

[Java-gnome-developer] RE: J2SE v1.4 - Unsatisfied Link Error

[Jeffrey M. <Jef...@Br...>]

Thank you very much for the info. 

> Hi again,
> 
> Following up from my message yesterday -
> 
> It looks like you can solve the problem with the v1.4 JVM by 
> sym linking
> the two shared libraries into the $JAVAROOT/jre/lib/i386 (for i386
> linux). Despite having both libraries in my LD_LIBRARY_PATH the JVM
> only seems to work when this is done.
> 
> Hope this is useful.
> 
> Java-gnome is excellent btw!
> 
>  -Dan
> 
> 
> 

RE: [Java-gnome-developer] Re: What to do in order to make the gn ome development platform rock.

[Seth N. <sni...@st...>]

Why don't we hand it down to the sub-comittee on technical affairs who
can convene a pow-wow to hammer this issue out and finalize an initial
proposal on deliverables to be ratified by the working group on
technical affairs within a three week timeframe?

;-)

-Seth
On 16 Sep 2001 11:27:29 -0400, Jeffrey Morgan wrote:
> I am in total support for standardizing on a common
> namespace packaging across language bindings or whatever 
> it takes to lower the entry barrier for new developers.  
> Kenneth, you definitely seem to have a passion for this 
> and have given it some thought.  I propose you organize 
> and facilitate a working group comprised of one 
> representative from each language binding project that 
> wants to participate.  The goal of this working group is 
> to deliver recommendations on how we can simplify the
> learning curve new developers face when coming to GNOME.
> I would hope the initial proposal could be delivered
> within a few weeks.  
> 
> -Jeffrey Morgan
> 
> > 
> > Hi Kenneth,
> > Well as someone just begining to meddle in Java I like your 
> > ideas, I am
> > CC'ing it to the java-gnome list also. 
> > 
> > I think giving official status of a set of bindings would 
> > probably also
> > be an idea, for instance there are 3 different Java bindings for GTK+
> > and GNOME underway AFAIK and maybe if one of them got 
> > recognised as the
> > official GNOME bindings the duplication of effort could be minimized.
> > 
> > One thing I do think however is that we should demand that 
> > any language
> > bindings that are to become/get approved as the official 
> > GNOME and GTK+
> > language bindings are that they move into GNOME CVS.
> > 
> > Christian
> > 
> > On Sat, 2001-09-15 at 19:17, Kenneth Rohde Christiansen wrote:
> > > Some thoughs of mine, please read:
> > > 
> > > By attending the university you often hear non-gnome and non-kde
> > > developers discuss different platforms, technologies, kde 
> > and gnome.   
> > > While listening to this I have a bigger understanding why 
> > these people  
> > > don't join our project.
> > > 
> > > One of the reasons is that many people actually don't like 
> > C very much,
> > > and when these people want to code Gnome they go look for 
> > bindings.   
> > > Many Gnome developers think that Gnome is very cool with all it's
> > > binding,
> > > but this thought is not shared with the whole world outside out
> > > community.
> > > 
> > > Many people think that the Gnome development platform is 
> > difficult to
> > > understand. There are lots of libraries, and they are not 
> > organized in a
> > > nice class library. This is possible to do with bindings to OO
> > > languages, but is as far as I know, not done.
> > > 
> > > For instance, Java-GNOME has the following "namespaces"/"packages":
> > > 
> > > gnu.gdk, gnu.gtk, gnu.glade, gnu.gnome
> > > 
> > > This is very close to the C libs, so it would be easy to 
> > switch to Java
> > > from programming Gnome in C. But almost noone does this. 
> > People who want
> > > to use the Java bindings is often people who don't like C.
> > > 
> > > Now the naming is also very unlucky for Java-GNOME as gnu.gnome is
> > > actually gnome-libs, but for people from the outside Gnome 
> > consists of
> > > gtk, gdk, glade, gnome-libs, etc, so the class library 
> > seems weird to
> > > these people. Also the class library for a binding doesn't have to
> > > reflect that it is made by using gdk, gtk or whatever.
> > > 
> > > If we want people to use these bindings we have to make 
> > them easy and
> > > hide implimentation/bindings details.
> > > 
> > > An idea for Java-GNOME could be like this:
> > > 
> > > org.gnome.drawing                       - gdk
> > > org.gnome.ui                            - gtk
> > > org.gnome.ui.extra                      - libgnomeui + bonoboui
> > > org.gnome.ui.glade                      - glade
> > > org.gnome.accessibility                 - atk
> > > org.gnome.containers (or .utils)        - glib containers 
> > wrappers    
> > > org.gnome.canvas                        - libgnomecanvas
> > > org.gnome.vfs                           - gnome-vfs
> > > org.gnome.config                        - gconf or bonobo-conf
> > > org.gnome.bonobo                        - bonobo
> > > org.gnome.bonobo.activation             - bonobo-activation
> > > org.gnome.xml                           - libxml (if it 
> > makes sence to
> > > bind)
> > > org.gnome.print                         - libgnomeprint
> > > --
> > > org.gnome.misc.eel                      - eel
> > > org.gnome.misc.gal                      - gal
> > > org.gnome.misc.panel                    - panel applets
> > > ...etc.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > This doesn't confuse people with the difference with gtk, 
> > gdk and gnome,
> > > and it integrates well with the Java language. All not well 
> > integrated
> > > things have been put in org.gnome.misc and might be moved elsewhere
> > > later.
> > > 
> > > A similar hierachy can be used for C++ bindings.
> > > 
> > > Also, something people don't like about the Gnome bindings 
> > is that none
> > > are OFFICIAL. For people outside our community it seems that the
> > > bindings 
> > > are made by people with no connection to the Gnome 
> > Community, and they
> > > then fear the quality of the bindings, and goes elsewhere.
> > > 
> > > What can we do to make this better? Should we decide on a 
> > class library
> > > that should be followed by binders if they want their bindings to be
> > > official. Do we need some kind of quality control?
> > > 
> > > I really think that we should get some good Java bindings. 
> > Both Sun and
> > > IBM said that they support Gnome, and they both have a 
> > strong Java    
> > > commitment. Cooperation with Sun and IBM about this would 
> > really rock.
> > > Maybe something for the Gnome Foundation?.
> > > 
> > > Also the development pages really scare people away.
> > > 
> > > Take a look at these two pages:
> > > 
> > > http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/macosx/Cocoa/CocoaTopics.html
> > > http://developer.apple.com/macosx/architecture/
> > > 
> > > We really need something like this. And we need to group our
> > > technologies,
> > > maybe something like this could be an idea?
> > > 
> > > GNOME System Architecture
> > > -------------------------
> > > 
> > > GNOME User Experience (libgnome, glade, gtk, gdk)
> > > --
> > > Bonobo Component System
> > > GNOME Language Framework (Java-GNOME, python, etc)
> > > GNOME Multimedia Framework (gstreamer)
> > > --
> > > Linux/UNIX Kernel
> > > UNIX into the future. GNOME expands on many open souce
> > > and industry standards towards providing UNIX users and
> > > developers with a userfriendly and powerful desktop and
> > > development platform.
> > > 
> > > Anyway, it's just some ideas. Please comment
> > > 
> > > Cheers, Kenneth
> > > 

Re: [Java-gnome-developer] Pb with call back signature for insert _text signal.

[Eric v. d. V. <vd...@dy...>]

Jeffrey Morgan wrote:

 > Is the printout below taken directly from the output
 > when you run the app?


Yes.

 > If so, you possibly have a serious
 > problem with your JVM.  The part of the output that
 > reads "ILgnu/gtk/GtkObject" is very strange.


Yes, I had been wondering if that was normal or not...

I have recompiled and reinstalled Java Gnome and retried my small app 
with another JVM (Sun jdk1.3.1_01 instead of IBM jdk 1.3) with the same 
result (same error message with the same strange formating).

 > Can
 > you send me the entire example and I'll take a look at
 > it.


Sure, it's minimal and directly adapted from the samples.

I attach the java source and the glade widget definition.

Thanks

Eric


 >
 > -Jeff
 >
 >  > However, at run time, my insert_text method isn't found:
 >  >
 >  > vdv@evlist:~/Projects/project1$ java Edit
 >  > *** ERROR ***:  Java-GNOME - cannot find callback method
 >  > insert_text in
 >  > the specified object with signature
 >  > (Ljava/lang/String;ILgnu/gtk/GtkObject;)V
 >  > *** ERROR ***:  Java-GNOME - exception is:
 >  > Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoSuchMethodError: insert_text
 >  >       at gnu.gdk.BaseObject.signalConnect(Native Method)
 >  >       at Edit.<init>(Edit.java:12)
 >  >       at Edit.main(Edit.java:77)
 >  >
 >  > ** WARNING **:  Java-GNOME - signal will not be mapped
 >  >
 >

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RE: [Java-gnome-developer] Pb with call back signature for insert _text signal.

[Jeffrey M. <Jef...@Br...>]

Is the printout below taken directly from the output
when you run the app?  If so, you possibly have a serious
problem with your JVM.  The part of the output that
reads "ILgnu/gtk/GtkObject" is very strange.  Can
you send me the entire example and I'll take a look at
it.

-Jeff

> However, at run time, my insert_text method isn't found:
> 
> vdv@evlist:~/Projects/project1$ java Edit
> *** ERROR ***:  Java-GNOME - cannot find callback method 
> insert_text in 
> the specified object with signature 
> (Ljava/lang/String;ILgnu/gtk/GtkObject;)V
> *** ERROR ***:  Java-GNOME - exception is:
> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoSuchMethodError: insert_text
> 	at gnu.gdk.BaseObject.signalConnect(Native Method)
> 	at Edit.<init>(Edit.java:12)
> 	at Edit.main(Edit.java:77)
> 
> ** WARNING **:  Java-GNOME - signal will not be mapped
> 

[Java-gnome-developer] J2SE 1.4 - java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError

[Daniel P S. <dp...@dc...>]

Hi,

I've just been trying out Sun's JVM 1.4 (Beta 2) and am getting the
following error when trying to run any application that uses the 
libGNOMEJava.so library. (interestingly, the problem does not
occur with libGTKJava.so lib).

Exception in thread
"main" java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: /share/Profile/lib/libGNOMEJava.so: /share/Profile/lib/libGNOMEJava.so: undefined
symbol: makeBaseObjectClass
	at java.lang.ClassLoader$NativeLibrary.load(Native Method)
	at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadLibrary0(ClassLoader.java:1440)
	at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadLibrary(ClassLoader.java:1364)
	at java.lang.Runtime.loadLibrary0(Runtime.java:773)
	at java.lang.System.loadLibrary(System.java:835)
	at gnu.gnome.Gnome.<clinit>(Gnome.java:33)
	at TestGNOME.main(TestGNOME.java:397)

As the new JVM is still beta software, I'm not expecting you to change
anything - but wondered if you had an idea on what might be causing this.

Thanks,
 -Daniel.

[Java-gnome-developer] Pb with call back signature for insert_text signal.

[Eric v. d. V. <vd...@dy...>]

Hi,

I am just starting some tests with Java GNOME and am stuck with a weird 
yet probably basic problem (Java Gnome 0.7.0 on Debian sid and IBM JSDK 
1.3 - the samples are running OK.).

My application tries to define a call back for the "insert_text" signal 
of a GtkText widget:


public class Edit
{
     public Edit ()
     {
	LibGladeGnome glade = new LibGladeGnome(this, "project1.glade", "window1");
	GtkText textWindow = (GtkText) glade.getWidget("textWindow");
	textWindow.signalConnect("insert_text", this);
     }

.../...

     public void insert_text (java.lang.String text, gnu.gtk.GtkObject 
window )
     {
     	System.out.println("text inserted");
     }

However, at run time, my insert_text method isn't found:

vdv@evlist:~/Projects/project1$ java Edit
*** ERROR ***:  Java-GNOME - cannot find callback method insert_text in 
the specified object with signature 
(Ljava/lang/String;ILgnu/gtk/GtkObject;)V
*** ERROR ***:  Java-GNOME - exception is:
Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoSuchMethodError: insert_text
	at gnu.gdk.BaseObject.signalConnect(Native Method)
	at Edit.<init>(Edit.java:12)
	at Edit.main(Edit.java:77)

** WARNING **:  Java-GNOME - signal will not be mapped

Any hints?

Thanks

Eric
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[Java-gnome-developer] Re: java-gnome

[Anthony G. <gr...@re...>]

java-gnomeI have a suggestion for both gnome-gcj and java-gnome...=20

Please adopt the lib-package-name.so convention for the appropriate .so =
files so Class.forName() will have a chance of working.

Hmmm.. I hope you aren't both using gnu.gdk, etc!  I've looked at both =
of these packages and seem to recall that name. =20

BTW - I've tried them both and they're both v. cool!  Thanks!

AG

RE: [Java-gnome-developer] Re: What to do in order to make the gn ome development platform rock.

[Jeffrey M. <Jef...@Br...>]

I am in total support for standardizing on a common
namespace packaging across language bindings or whatever 
it takes to lower the entry barrier for new developers.  
Kenneth, you definitely seem to have a passion for this 
and have given it some thought.  I propose you organize 
and facilitate a working group comprised of one 
representative from each language binding project that 
wants to participate.  The goal of this working group is 
to deliver recommendations on how we can simplify the
learning curve new developers face when coming to GNOME.
I would hope the initial proposal could be delivered
within a few weeks.  

-Jeffrey Morgan

> 
> Hi Kenneth,
> Well as someone just begining to meddle in Java I like your 
> ideas, I am
> CC'ing it to the java-gnome list also. 
> 
> I think giving official status of a set of bindings would 
> probably also
> be an idea, for instance there are 3 different Java bindings for GTK+
> and GNOME underway AFAIK and maybe if one of them got 
> recognised as the
> official GNOME bindings the duplication of effort could be minimized.
> 
> One thing I do think however is that we should demand that 
> any language
> bindings that are to become/get approved as the official 
> GNOME and GTK+
> language bindings are that they move into GNOME CVS.
> 
> Christian
> 
> On Sat, 2001-09-15 at 19:17, Kenneth Rohde Christiansen wrote:
> > Some thoughs of mine, please read:
> > 
> > By attending the university you often hear non-gnome and non-kde
> > developers discuss different platforms, technologies, kde 
> and gnome.   
> > While listening to this I have a bigger understanding why 
> these people  
> > don't join our project.
> > 
> > One of the reasons is that many people actually don't like 
> C very much,
> > and when these people want to code Gnome they go look for 
> bindings.   
> > Many Gnome developers think that Gnome is very cool with all it's
> > binding,
> > but this thought is not shared with the whole world outside out
> > community.
> > 
> > Many people think that the Gnome development platform is 
> difficult to
> > understand. There are lots of libraries, and they are not 
> organized in a
> > nice class library. This is possible to do with bindings to OO
> > languages, but is as far as I know, not done.
> > 
> > For instance, Java-GNOME has the following "namespaces"/"packages":
> > 
> > gnu.gdk, gnu.gtk, gnu.glade, gnu.gnome
> > 
> > This is very close to the C libs, so it would be easy to 
> switch to Java
> > from programming Gnome in C. But almost noone does this. 
> People who want
> > to use the Java bindings is often people who don't like C.
> > 
> > Now the naming is also very unlucky for Java-GNOME as gnu.gnome is
> > actually gnome-libs, but for people from the outside Gnome 
> consists of
> > gtk, gdk, glade, gnome-libs, etc, so the class library 
> seems weird to
> > these people. Also the class library for a binding doesn't have to
> > reflect that it is made by using gdk, gtk or whatever.
> > 
> > If we want people to use these bindings we have to make 
> them easy and
> > hide implimentation/bindings details.
> > 
> > An idea for Java-GNOME could be like this:
> > 
> > org.gnome.drawing                       - gdk
> > org.gnome.ui                            - gtk
> > org.gnome.ui.extra                      - libgnomeui + bonoboui
> > org.gnome.ui.glade                      - glade
> > org.gnome.accessibility                 - atk
> > org.gnome.containers (or .utils)        - glib containers 
> wrappers    
> > org.gnome.canvas                        - libgnomecanvas
> > org.gnome.vfs                           - gnome-vfs
> > org.gnome.config                        - gconf or bonobo-conf
> > org.gnome.bonobo                        - bonobo
> > org.gnome.bonobo.activation             - bonobo-activation
> > org.gnome.xml                           - libxml (if it 
> makes sence to
> > bind)
> > org.gnome.print                         - libgnomeprint
> > --
> > org.gnome.misc.eel                      - eel
> > org.gnome.misc.gal                      - gal
> > org.gnome.misc.panel                    - panel applets
> > ...etc.
> > 
> > 
> > This doesn't confuse people with the difference with gtk, 
> gdk and gnome,
> > and it integrates well with the Java language. All not well 
> integrated
> > things have been put in org.gnome.misc and might be moved elsewhere
> > later.
> > 
> > A similar hierachy can be used for C++ bindings.
> > 
> > Also, something people don't like about the Gnome bindings 
> is that none
> > are OFFICIAL. For people outside our community it seems that the
> > bindings 
> > are made by people with no connection to the Gnome 
> Community, and they
> > then fear the quality of the bindings, and goes elsewhere.
> > 
> > What can we do to make this better? Should we decide on a 
> class library
> > that should be followed by binders if they want their bindings to be
> > official. Do we need some kind of quality control?
> > 
> > I really think that we should get some good Java bindings. 
> Both Sun and
> > IBM said that they support Gnome, and they both have a 
> strong Java    
> > commitment. Cooperation with Sun and IBM about this would 
> really rock.
> > Maybe something for the Gnome Foundation?.
> > 
> > Also the development pages really scare people away.
> > 
> > Take a look at these two pages:
> > 
> > http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/macosx/Cocoa/CocoaTopics.html
> > http://developer.apple.com/macosx/architecture/
> > 
> > We really need something like this. And we need to group our
> > technologies,
> > maybe something like this could be an idea?
> > 
> > GNOME System Architecture
> > -------------------------
> > 
> > GNOME User Experience (libgnome, glade, gtk, gdk)
> > --
> > Bonobo Component System
> > GNOME Language Framework (Java-GNOME, python, etc)
> > GNOME Multimedia Framework (gstreamer)
> > --
> > Linux/UNIX Kernel
> > UNIX into the future. GNOME expands on many open souce
> > and industry standards towards providing UNIX users and
> > developers with a userfriendly and powerful desktop and
> > development platform.
> > 
> > Anyway, it's just some ideas. Please comment
> > 
> > Cheers, Kenneth
> > 

[Java-gnome-developer] java-gnome

[Jeffrey M. <Jef...@Br...>]

I would like to address the two items you gentlemen
have been discussing on the gcj mailing list.

>It doesn't look like it supports CNI, though, and nothing in the
>"roadmap" that indicating plans to do so.

You are correct in that we currently do not generate
CNI.  I have slowly been making changes to the bindings
that will ultimately facilitate the generation or either
JNI or CNI code.  That being said, adding the ability 
to generate CNI will not be a small task and is not a
short term goal of the java-gnome team.  I would consider
it a long term goal (possibly being addressed sometime
after our next two releases).  Our short term goal is 
make the bindings as useful as possible to developers 
that want to develop applications for GNOME in Java.  
To that end I could summarize our next two releases as 
follows:

0.7.1 - The next release will focus on taking the bindings
to the next level of robustness.  We are not going to
add very many new features.  Rather, we are going to review
the bindings one widget at a time, make sure we have as
close as full coverage as possible to the original native
widget, and write a new example or enhance an existing
example that will demonstrate its' full usage.  As we
complete our review of each widget we will probably also
write a test plan for that widget that must complete
successfully prior to each subsequent release.  As you
see, this release is focus on stability and robustness.

0.7.2 - This release will focus on rounding out the
bindings by adding support for new features that are 
missing.  We will probably look at adding support for
gnome-print, the applet widget, some form of interoperability
with Orbit, and Internationalization support.

>It might be nice if the java-gnome and gnome-gcj projects were
>merged, or at least that they agreed on a common api.

As far as collaboration with gnome-gcj, I corresponded
with Oskar Liljeblad in November of last year with
the proposal of collaboration in some form and at 
a minimum trying produce the same APIs.  Noting became
of the conversation but perhaps it is time to open
up this discussion again.  Oskar, let me know what your
thoughts are.

I welcome your feedback on this project.  If this email
doesn't make it to the ja...@gc... list could
one of you please forward it?  My work email reader at work
only sends mail in mime format which is rejected by the
gnu mailing list.

Thanks
---
------------------------------------
Jeffrey S. Morgan
Email: jef...@br...

[Java-gnome-developer] Re: What to do in order to make the gnome development platform rock.

[Sander V. <San...@Su...>]

On 15 Sep 2001, Havoc Pennington wrote:

[snip]

> If we were actually going to use Java, it would be different - we
> could "endorse" one Java binding by using that one. But in general I
> don't think we should "bless" stuff on the net that we don't use. We
> have enough trouble getting the set of stuff we _do_ use sorted
> out. (*conf controversy, bonobo controversy, etc.)
> 
> Once one of the Java bindings is really mature it will become a de
> facto standard, the others will fade away, then we can point people to
> it. I'm not sure we want to push this sort of thing really hard before
> it's mature, anyway.
> 

The other thing here is (which also is totally separate from any kind of
set of "official" or "non-official" bindings) is that the most 'natural'
way of accessing a large part of gnome will be via CORBA, which means we
have to make sure we are interoperable.

> Havoc
> 

	Sander

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[Java-gnome-developer] Re: What to do in order to make the gnome development platform rock.

[Havoc P. <hp...@re...>]

Christian Schaller <Ur...@li...> writes:
> Well as someone just begining to meddle in Java I like your ideas, I am
> CC'ing it to the java-gnome list also. 

I'm not sure changing namespaces is really a good idea; for the
forseeable future, most people will be mixing multiple languages
(usually C and another), and having to use docs written for C.  So
changing namespaces around is just extra confusion.  Also, changing
namespaces complicates automated binding generation and may introduce
naming conflicts where none existed in C.

I think the real solution is that the C libs should be more
coherent. ;-) Which we are gradually moving toward. Many of the libs
mentioned are very experimental or beta; really, it is OK for these to
be confusing. People who want a simple straightforward easy-to-learn
API should not be fooling with eel, gal, etc., definitely, and most
likely should start with plain GTK and move to other stuff only as
they feel the need. Since Java itself fills in most of the gaps plain
GTK has (such as a portable file abstraction), I don't think there's
much problem with that.
 
Anyhow: eel, gal and other experimental libs should NOT be
aggressively promoted outside of "GNOME insiders," because they are
neither software-product-system-quality nor particularly API-stable.
These libs are for people who know what they are doing.

I would actually extend this comment to libs other than eel and gal,
but am avoiding flamewars today, and everyone already knows I have
that opinion. ;-)

But, longer-term we need to slowly move our platform into something
more coherent. One of the big barriers is to remove the current
situation with multiple object/type systems (CORBA and GObject), which
is something we discussed with Michael when he visited Red Hat. We
want to do this longish-term, we are talking 2-3 years out probably.
This is the single largest flaw in the coherency of the current devel
platform IMHO.

In the short term, slowly migrating APIs to a position in the
dependency chain where they "make sense" (as gdk-pixbuf moved in GTK
2, and can now be used in GtkImage and other logical places) is
something we can do to make progress.

> I think giving official status of a set of bindings would probably also
> be an idea, for instance there are 3 different Java bindings for GTK+
> and GNOME underway AFAIK and maybe if one of them got recognised as the
> official GNOME bindings the duplication of effort could be minimized.

I don't agree, I don't think we should be in the business of making
decisions like this.

 - redundancy is good; it saves us if one project goes unmaintained
 - who would decide? I don't know Java bindings, only the biased
   authors of the bindings can know this
 - once something is official, it has an annoying inertia, which 
   is hard to overcome when something better comes along

If we were actually going to use Java, it would be different - we
could "endorse" one Java binding by using that one. But in general I
don't think we should "bless" stuff on the net that we don't use. We
have enough trouble getting the set of stuff we _do_ use sorted
out. (*conf controversy, bonobo controversy, etc.)

Once one of the Java bindings is really mature it will become a de
facto standard, the others will fade away, then we can point people to
it. I'm not sure we want to push this sort of thing really hard before
it's mature, anyway.

Havoc