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Hi Jaba's,

is anyone here? ;)

thanks
Stefan	

FYI,

Let me know your taughts

--- Peter Donald <do...@ap...> wrote:
> From: Peter Donald <do...@ap...>
> To: Eoin Lane <eoi...@ya...>
> Subject: Re: Contributions to the Avalon project.
> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 13:21:36 +1000
> CC: blo...@ap...
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I finally got around to having a look at all your
> stuff (sorry for the 
> delay). It definetly looks interesting - I actually
> used that cocoon article 
> to encourage people to have a look at it a bit back
> - thanks ;)
> 
> I would like to work together if at all possible.
> How do you see that working?
> 
> On Tue,  7 Aug 2001 01:39, Eoin Lane wrote:
> > Hi there,
> >
> > I have been reading with interest you Avalon
> project
> > and feel that there might be a potential for co
> > operation between you project and one that I am
> > involved with at the moment.
> >
> > I am currently helping to develop a
> demonstrational
> > J2EE project in an open source environment. We are
> > implementing this project in stages and have
> currently
> > complete 3 stages with two publication in
> JavaWorld.
> > You can find this project at
> > http://jaba.sourceforge.net/
> >
> > To date we have implemented a cocoon front end
> > solution and an optimistic locking pattern
> solution
> > for the back end. Also we have implemented a
> > XML-Schema validation solution based on articles
> > published by Brent McLaughlin.
> >
> > Yet to do we have to finish migration of the
> project
> > to implement the struts framework and hopefully
> also
> > modularise it to using JMX.
> >
> > We have also tried to delve lop this project using
> > best practice programming techniques, including
> JUnit
> > testing all the component, JavaDoc and extensive
> use
> > of design patterns.
> >
> > I like ever much your goal at Avalon and wonder if
> we
> > could cooperate with you at any level.
> >
> > Thanks in advance for taking the time to read this
> and
> > hope to hear from you soon.
> >
> > regards
> >
> > Eoin
> >
> > =====
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> > Eoin Lane, PhD
> > Senior Consultant, Valtech Ltd.
> > _______________________________
> >
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> -- 
> Cheers,
> 
> Pete
> 
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Hi,
First I ask a question and then answer it,
please let me know your idea about my discussion.

Why we use XSL based Styling in this application?
and my answer:
1.Supporting multiple devices with writing multiple
XSLs for the same XML
2.we can later change aesthetics of our pages without
knowing about source code
and java programming experience and recompiling them.

But the question is that we have't reach to our second
goal,
if you care about the customer xml in the current
implementation:

        <?xml version="1.0"?>
        <?cocoon-process type="xslt"?>
        <?xml-stylesheet
href="/stylesheet/form-html.xsl" type="text/xsl"?>
	<?xml-stylesheet href="/stylesheet/form-wml.xsl"
type="text/xsl" media="wap"?>

        <form>
        <head>
        <title>ABC Car Rental</title>
        </head>
		<input type="text" name="name" value="name1"
size="11"/>
        	<input type="text" name="address"
value="address1" size="11"/>
        	<input type="text" name="cardNum" value="1"
size="11"/>
        	<hidden version="1"/>
        </form>

we see more presentation specific tags than data tags,

Why we Don't use the following form?

        <?xml version="1.0"?>
        <?cocoon-process type="xslt"?>
        <?xml-stylesheet
href="/stylesheet/customer-reservecar-html.xsl"
type="text/xsl"?>
	<?xml-stylesheet
href="/stylesheet/customer-reservecar-wml.xsl"
type="text/xsl" media="wap"?>

	<customer>
		<name>name1</name>
        	<address>address1</address>
        	<cardNum>1</cardNum>
	</customer>
With this approach we can use our Xml data many times
and anywhere,
but with the current format we only use it in
reservation form,
I know that with this approach we should write two
html-wml xsl files for every xml data, but it worths. 
with these new changes we also need to provide a
framework for mapping
styles to our data.

what's you idea?

Regards,
Alireza Taherkordi

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Alireza Taherkordi wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I tried to download jaba.war for struts module
> from CVS repository but the war file is corrupt
> everytime
> and I can't unzip it, 
> is there any problem with that?
>

You should probabily try and rebuild it again with the ant script but I 
will look into it.

>
> 
> I have a question, I saw your changes in Struts 
> module I saw that you don't follow Cocoon framework
> in this version, That is with this version 
> your application can't fully supprt a WML based
> device,
> I guess it is because of Struts weakness
> in supporting XSL based templating and
> high investing on Html based TagLibs, 
> So what's your idea ?
>

These are basically the questions I want to try and answer with this 
struts implmentation. Initialy we want to do it without Cocoon and then 
see how easy it is to add it to the framwork afterewards. The JSP view 
file can be written with XML tag and have a refer to to style sheet in 
it for transformation as well.

>
> Following only Cocoon framework or only Struts
> or use a mixture of them(what you do now in struts
> module),
> If we want to use struts with cocoon we only should
> use its
> controller and Model section and not its
> presentation
> features(taglibs),
> and also we'll lose its capablity for automatically
> displaying
> errors.
>

I aggree with you totally. Yets see how this works out with one of the 
use cases for example the logon use case. I myself am for getting rid of 
cocoon totally but maybe there are some additional features in Cocoon 2 
that we could use.

>
> 
> 
> Best Regards,
> Alireza Taherkordi
>
>
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 Hi,

 I tried to download jaba.war for struts module
 from CVS repository but the war file is corrupt
 everytime
 and I can't unzip it, 
 is there any problem with that?

 I have a question, I saw your changes in Struts 
 module I saw that you don't follow Cocoon framework
 in this version, That is with this version 
 your application can't fully supprt a WML based
 device,
 I guess it is because of Struts weakness
 in supporting XSL based templating and
 high investing on Html based TagLibs, 
 So what's your idea ?
 Following only Cocoon framework or only Struts
 or use a mixture of them(what you do now in struts
 module),
 If we want to use struts with cocoon we only should
 use its
 controller and Model section and not its
 presentation
 features(taglibs),
 and also we'll lose its capablity for automatically
 displaying
 errors.

 Best Regards,
 Alireza Taherkordi

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--- George Dvorak <geo...@su...> wrote:
> Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 19:34:04 +0200
> From: George Dvorak <geo...@su...>
> To: Eoin Lane <eo...@eo...>
> Subject: Re: Edu project
> 
> Hi Eoin,
> well this sounds very interesting.  I think it would
> be really great if
> you could do the following.  I think it would be
> beneficial to both you
> and NetBeans.
> 
> If you could make your project into a module in
> NetBeans it would
> give you the following advantage.  As you probably
> noticed, the problem
> with SourceForge is that, even though it lets you
> manage your project
> easily, it doesn't give you much access to users who
> would want to use
> your software.
> 
> However, if you make a module into NetBeans, you
> would have a lot of
> users from NetBeans (NB has 100000 hits a day, 50000
> downloads a month)
> thus you would get more publicity for your work, and
> then later on could
> have a stand alone program.
> 
> You could have a simple lite version Open Source and
> the advanced
> version close source, also you could hook up with
> the Forte for Java
> partnership program which would give you more
> credibility and access to
> even more users.
> 
> Please let me know your thoughts,
> 
> G.
> 
> 
>     George Dvorak - NetBeans Marketing
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> Eoin Lane wrote:
> > 
> > George,
> > 
> > Thank you v much for your interest in the Jaba
> > project. We would be v interested in a some kind
> of
> > join verture we you.
> > 
> > Can you elaborate a little more and tell me how
> you
> > see this going forward. Basically, the joba
> project
> > is about how to develop a J2EE application in a
> open
> > source environment, not only in terms of code but
> also
> > in terms of techniques and project planning.
> > 
> > I would love to hear more from u and what you have
> to
> > offer.
> > 
> > regards,
> > Eoin
> > 
> > --- George Dvorak <geo...@su...> wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > I'm responsible for marketing NetBeans and the
> > > NetBeans Edu Project.  I
> > > came across your project on SourceForge, and I
> think
> > > it would be cool if
> > > we can join forces.
> > >
> > > Our main goal is to provide a place for
> University
> > > professors and Java
> > > teachers, where they can share information
> regarding
> > > Java.  It's all
> > > done in the Open Source way.
> > >
> > > I think we could probably figure out a way of co
> > > operating.  Please, let
> > > me know your thoughts.  Thanks in advance,
> > >
> > >
> > >     George Dvorak - NetBeans Marketing
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> > =====
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> > Eoin Lane, PhD
> > Senior Consultant, Valtech Ltd.
> > _______________________________
> > 
> > __________________________________________________
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--- George Dvorak <geo...@su...> wrote:
> Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 18:50:51 +0200
> From: George Dvorak <geo...@su...>
> To: eoi...@us...
> Subject: Edu project
> 
> Hi,
> I'm responsible for marketing NetBeans and the
> NetBeans Edu Project.  I
> came across your project on SourceForge, and I think
> it would be cool if
> we can join forces.
> 
> Our main goal is to provide a place for University
> professors and Java
> teachers, where they can share information regarding
> Java.  It's all
> done in the Open Source way.
> 
> I think we could probably figure out a way of co
> operating.  Please, let
> me know your thoughts.  Thanks in advance,
> 
> 
>     George Dvorak - NetBeans Marketing
> --------------------------------------
>    www.netbeans.org - home of NetBeans
>  edu.netbeans.org - university support
> netbrowser.netbeans.org - Java Browser
> --------------------------------------
>      +42-02-33009311 - +42-02-33009192

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