ipodlinux-devel

[Ipodlinux-devel] Re: How to destroy our iPod :)

[David P. <dpi...@ma...>]

I've run the restore tool before, and it works fine.

Dave


On Mar 10, 2004, at 8:32 PM, 
ipo...@li... wrote:
>
> Message: 1
> From: "Mathieu" <zi...@xw...>
> To: <ipo...@li...>
> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 17:03:58 +0100
> Subject: [Ipodlinux-devel] How to destroy our iPod :)
>
> Hi everybody !
> I am very interested by this project but I have one question...
> Is it possible ton "destroy" our ipod when we install the firmware 
> based on
> linux ?
> If yes, how :) ?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Mathieu

[Ipodlinux-devel] Re: Linux on the mini

[David P. <dpi...@ma...>]

I googled around online and found some differences in hardware for the 
mini, notably the new firewire chip and the ability to act as both a 
USB 2.0 client and host. Now I imagine plugging in a USB keyboard is 
actually a reality, not to mention the USB musical keyboard for 
portable music, or anything else for that matter. Just hoping in vain 
that the PP chips are a good deal similar, has anyone tried looking at 
the mini or poked around the firmware at all? It seems to me that it 
would be worth having linux on the mini more than the original.

Dave

Re: [Ipodlinux-devel] Re: Linux on the mini

[Bernard L. <le...@bo...>]

I've had a brief look at the firmware for the mini and I'd guess that the
hardware differences are about similar as those from 2g to 3g.  E.g. it will
take some hacking to get things going.

There are two big hurdles though, firstly they have changed the boot loader
and from first impressions it looks as though there is some special header
required on the OS image.  The second problem is that the bootloader and
diagnostic images appear to be encoded somehow.

As you say being able to run as a host makes things a bit more interesting...

David Piasecki <dpi...@ma...> said:

> I googled around online and found some differences in hardware for the 
> mini, notably the new firewire chip and the ability to act as both a 
> USB 2.0 client and host. Now I imagine plugging in a USB keyboard is 
> actually a reality, not to mention the USB musical keyboard for 
> portable music, or anything else for that matter. Just hoping in vain 
> that the PP chips are a good deal similar, has anyone tried looking at 
> the mini or poked around the firmware at all? It seems to me that it 
> would be worth having linux on the mini more than the original.
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
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Re: [Ipodlinux-devel] Re: Linux on the mini

[Jim W. <js...@bl...>]

> it looks as though there is some special header
> required on the OS image.  The second problem is that the bootloader 
> and
> diagnostic images appear to be encoded somehow.

   This makes it sound like Apple is trying to keep us out..  Which is 
not good at all, because if that's what they want to do, they certainly 
can do a better job of it in the future.

Jim Witte
js...@bl...
Indiana University CS

Re: [Ipodlinux-devel] Re: Linux on the mini

[Benjamin H. <be...@ke...>]

On Fri, 2004-03-12 at 03:42, Jim Witte wrote:
> > it looks as though there is some special header
> > required on the OS image.  The second problem is that the bootloader 
> > and
> > diagnostic images appear to be encoded somehow.
> 
>    This makes it sound like Apple is trying to keep us out..  Which is 
> not good at all, because if that's what they want to do, they certainly 
> can do a better job of it in the future.

Or rather than beeing paranoid, they may just have compressed stuff to
fit in a smaller flash ? :)

Ben.

Re: [Ipodlinux-devel] Re: Linux on the mini

[Jim W. <js...@bl...>]

> I googled around online and found some differences in hardware for the 
> mini, notably the new firewire chip and the ability to act as both a 
> USB 2.0 client and host. Now I imagine plugging in a USB keyboard is 
> actually a

   I assume that these new FW chips will find their way into the next 
upgrade of the iPods some time this year?  So I can put off buying on 
for yet another year.  My first gripe, no touch-screen, so no 
possibility of good input.  Now, the FW chip will presumably soon be 
able to be host, so keyboards can be hooked up..

Jim Witte
js...@bl...
Indiana University CS

Re: [Ipodlinux-devel] How to destroy our iPod :)

[Bernard L. <le...@bo...>]

Hi Mathieu,

Sure the scroll whell on the 3g works fine.  At the moment only usb and audio
are not working on the 3g.  I'm really hoping to get the audio going soon but
sofar no luck.  I haven't even looked at usb.

No problems with the English ;)  Actually sometimes on the irc channel there
are some other French native speakers so you might like to try there sometime.

cheers,
bern.

Mathieu <zi...@xw...> said:

> Thank you very much for your "instant" answer !
> I have antoher question, is the "scroll wheel" on the 3G iPod avaiable on
> the current firmware ?
> 
> Best regards,
> Mathieu
> PS: sorry for my bad english.. I'm french :)
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bernard Leach" <le...@bo...>
> To: "Mathieu" <zi...@xw...>; <ipo...@li...>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 5:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ipodlinux-devel] How to destroy our iPod :)
> 
> 
> >
> > To the best of my knowledge it is not possible to completely destroy your
> iPod
> > by installing or running the Linux firmware.  The worst you can do is end
> up
> > with an iPod that doesn't boot a OS.  In this case the forced disk mode is
> > always available so you can restore your backups.
> >
> > In theory you should also just be able to run the Apple restore tool to
> reset
> > your iPod but since I've never run it I can't confirm that.
> >
> > To make things easy to restore or revert, make sure you take backups of
> your
> > firmware and boot partition and store them in a safe place.
> >
> > The easy way to mess up the install is to get the 'dd' commands wrong,
> e.g. dd
> > the firmware to /dev/sda3 instead of sda2 and you will nuke your music
> partition.
> >
> > Just follow the documentation, double check the commands and make sure
> they
> > are correct for your environment (be especially carefull if you have other
> > SCSI devices!).  If there isn't enough info in the docs, just ask here
> >
> > cheers,
> > bern.
> >
> > Mathieu <zi...@xw...> said:
> >
> > > Hi everybody !
> > > I am very interested by this project but I have one question...
> > > Is it possible ton "destroy" our ipod when we install the firmware based
> on
> > > linux ?
> > > If yes, how :) ?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance
> > >
> > > Best Regards,
> > >
> > > Mathieu
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: [Ipodlinux-devel] Re: Linux on the mini

[Joe C. <jco...@ma...>]

   > I googled around online and found some differences in hardware for the 
   > mini, notably the new firewire chip and the ability to act as both a 
   > USB 2.0 client and host. Now I imagine plugging in a USB keyboard is 
   > actually a

      I assume that these new FW chips will find their way into the next 
   upgrade of the iPods some time this year?  So I can put off buying on 
   for yet another year.  My first gripe, no touch-screen, so no 
   possibility of good input.  Now, the FW chip will presumably soon be 
   able to be host, so keyboards can be hooked up..

Looking forward to that day!  I guess it is theoretically possible
with the mini right now though?  

It is amazing that there seems to be no small platform extant with
onboard USB keyboard support. (If I'm wrong about this, let me
know.)

Any updates on the possibilities for typing/xmodmap/Emacs on iPod
(or mini) would be very much appreciated.

Re: [Ipodlinux-devel] Re: Linux on the mini

[Bernard L. <le...@bo...>]

I don't have a mini so not likely to be much progress there...

For typing probably the best solution is to use a serial keyboard (like
from the Palm etc) and hook it up to the serial input in the remote (or
better on the dock).  If the electronics were sorted out the software
already exists...

cheers,
bern.

On Thu, 2004-05-06 at 18:36, Joe Corneli wrote:
>    > I googled around online and found some differences in hardware for the 
>    > mini, notably the new firewire chip and the ability to act as both a 
>    > USB 2.0 client and host. Now I imagine plugging in a USB keyboard is 
>    > actually a
> 
>       I assume that these new FW chips will find their way into the next 
>    upgrade of the iPods some time this year?  So I can put off buying on 
>    for yet another year.  My first gripe, no touch-screen, so no 
>    possibility of good input.  Now, the FW chip will presumably soon be 
>    able to be host, so keyboards can be hooked up..
> 
> Looking forward to that day!  I guess it is theoretically possible
> with the mini right now though?  
> 
> It is amazing that there seems to be no small platform extant with
> onboard USB keyboard support. (If I'm wrong about this, let me
> know.)
> 
> Any updates on the possibilities for typing/xmodmap/Emacs on iPod
> (or mini) would be very much appreciated.

Re: [Ipodlinux-devel] Re: How to destroy our iPod :)

[Bernard L. <le...@bo...>]

Hi David,

So in the case where your iPod is completely unbootable (e.g. the folder
icon).  You just boot windows/macosx and run the restore tool and then your
iPod is restored to the "factory condition"?

If so thats nice to know for sure :)

If anyone has a short HOWTO for "Howto restore your iPod" I'd be happy to put
it up in the docs section.

cheers,
bern.

David Piasecki <dpi...@ma...> said:

> I've run the restore tool before, and it works fine.
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
> On Mar 10, 2004, at 8:32 PM, 
> ipo...@li... wrote:
> >
> > Message: 1
> > From: "Mathieu" <zi...@xw...>
> > To: <ipo...@li...>
> > Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 17:03:58 +0100
> > Subject: [Ipodlinux-devel] How to destroy our iPod :)
> >
> > Hi everybody !
> > I am very interested by this project but I have one question...
> > Is it possible ton "destroy" our ipod when we install the firmware 
> > based on
> > linux ?
> > If yes, how :) ?
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > Mathieu
> 
> 
> 
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