ipodlinux-devel

[Ipodlinux-devel] Re: Writing programs and compiling

[David P. <dpi...@ma...>]

Got hello working properly. Jeff explained why I should be returning 0 
instead of 1. For some reason I don't remember doing that the last time 
I was programming in C.

I ran Daniel's binary on the g2 iPod, and it seemed to work fine. For 
some reason, /etc/rc doesn't get called. I'm not sure where else to put 
programs I want running on startup.

The other thing I noticed is that the scroll wheel keeps a record of 
input even when you have it set to locked. Once you unlock the scroll 
wheel and keys, all the characters you've hit stream in. Might be good 
to fix for keeping the ipod in your pocket.

This is cool now that I can write programs for it!

Dave

[Ipodlinux-devel] OT?: Text entry via a circle..

[Jim W. <js...@bl...>]

[For altkeyboard people: This message is from the iPodLinux dev list]
> The other thing I noticed is that the scroll wheel keeps a record of 
> input even when you have it set to locked. This is cool now that I can 
> write programs for it!

Do you mean write program for it (cross-develop) or *on* it?  If the 
second, it raises an interesting question:

   Anyone have any ideas on novel ways of entering text via a circular 
dial?  I know the quickwriting system is out there (look it up - 
basically a 9-piece square, and strokes to-and-from center, and 
triagles originating from the center determine letters.  It's a 
unistroke method.)  That seems like it *might* be able to be done with 
a dial somehow, especially if you could detect finger presses/small 
movements *on* the dial, but not *around* it.

   Another idea I though of would be to assign different letters 
different distances from an origin, and then either have a "stoke 
out/stoke back" count as one char, and the next character would be a 
similar stroke either on the same side or the other side (consonants on 
one side, vowels on the other like Dvorak perhaps).  Or just have the 
stoke distance before it reverses be a letter, maybe with a finger up 
or tap be a period (or maybe not).  Spaces would be interesting, since 
they occur so frequently, and you don't want them to be too hard or 
strainful to perform.

Jim Witte
js...@bl...
Indiana University CS

Re: [Ipodlinux-devel] OT?: Text entry via a circle..

[Ronja W. <ro...@wi...>]

>
>   Anyone have any ideas on novel ways of entering text via a circular 
> dial?  I know the quickwriting system is out there (look it up - 
> basically a 9-piece square, and strokes to-and-from center, and 
> triagles originating from the center determine letters.  It's a 
> unistroke method.)  That seems like it *might* be able to be done with 
> a dial somehow, especially if you could detect finger presses/small 
> movements *on* the dial, but not *around* it.
>
>
>

Hello,
this is my first posrt to this group. i am reading the list since quite 
a while now, but as i am not a programmer and my programming knowledge 
is limited to basic realbasic handling, so i am probably not good in 
guessing programming capabilities.
but as i think when the wave of linuxpodding is starting to roll we 
will want to have a more comfortable ways of accesssing some kind of 
text input. as nearly everybody has a little keypad with him nowadays 
(remeber the little thingy in your pocket that sometimes make strange 
sounds and starts vibrating?) i think the best ways would be if there 
was a firewire connector for bluetooth of IrDA and a java cell phone.
it works with your mac, so why not with the ipod? is there any java 
delevopper among us that is able to write such an app for cell phones? 
i think this would be really great!
then you could even develop your apps ON your ipod (as mentioned in 
this thread before)
;-)

what do you think about this? might this be possible in some time?

greetings from bavaria to all ipodders and those who are gonna be one!

Ronja

Re: [Ipodlinux-devel] OT?: Text entry via a circle..

[Robert D <ro...@op...>]

While i am not origionly a java programmer, i think i would know enough to
put together something like that.

Problem is i cant do much untill a way is found to get my 3g ipod to work
with firewire :)

----- Original Message -----


> >
> >   Anyone have any ideas on novel ways of entering text via a circular
> > dial?  I know the quickwriting system is out there (look it up -
> > basically a 9-piece square, and strokes to-and-from center, and
> > triagles originating from the center determine letters.  It's a
> > unistroke method.)  That seems like it *might* be able to be done with
> > a dial somehow, especially if you could detect finger presses/small
> > movements *on* the dial, but not *around* it.
> >
> >
> >
>
> Hello,
> this is my first posrt to this group. i am reading the list since quite
> a while now, but as i am not a programmer and my programming knowledge
> is limited to basic realbasic handling, so i am probably not good in
> guessing programming capabilities.
> but as i think when the wave of linuxpodding is starting to roll we
> will want to have a more comfortable ways of accesssing some kind of
> text input. as nearly everybody has a little keypad with him nowadays
> (remeber the little thingy in your pocket that sometimes make strange
> sounds and starts vibrating?) i think the best ways would be if there
> was a firewire connector for bluetooth of IrDA and a java cell phone.
> it works with your mac, so why not with the ipod? is there any java
> delevopper among us that is able to write such an app for cell phones?
> i think this would be really great!
> then you could even develop your apps ON your ipod (as mentioned in
> this thread before)
> ;-)
>
> what do you think about this? might this be possible in some time?
>
> greetings from bavaria to all ipodders and those who are gonna be one!
>
> Ronja
>
>
>
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Re: [Ipodlinux-devel] OT?: Text entry via a circle..

[Jean <jwl...@fr...>]

Hi!
It would be interesting to see if iPod touch wheel can detect 
fingerpresses ON the wheel (sorry for old mechanic wheel iPods). Maybe a 
good idea would be to link the char input process with an "T9" like 
input, or "unix-Tab" like input... I should install linux on my iPod as 
soon I'll have time.
I have some C/C++/Delphi skills, but not under Linux/Unix :o(
Jean.

Jim Witte a écrit:

> [For altkeyboard people: This message is from the iPodLinux dev list]
>
>> The other thing I noticed is that the scroll wheel keeps a record of 
>> input even when you have it set to locked. This is cool now that I 
>> can write programs for it!
>
>
> Do you mean write program for it (cross-develop) or *on* it?  If the 
> second, it raises an interesting question:
>
>   Anyone have any ideas on novel ways of entering text via a circular 
> dial?  I know the quickwriting system is out there (look it up - 
> basically a 9-piece square, and strokes to-and-from center, and 
> triagles originating from the center determine letters.  It's a 
> unistroke method.)  That seems like it *might* be able to be done with 
> a dial somehow, especially if you could detect finger presses/small 
> movements *on* the dial, but not *around* it.
>
>   Another idea I though of would be to assign different letters 
> different distances from an origin, and then either have a "stoke 
> out/stoke back" count as one char, and the next character would be a 
> similar stroke either on the same side or the other side (consonants 
> on one side, vowels on the other like Dvorak perhaps).  Or just have 
> the stoke distance before it reverses be a letter, maybe with a finger 
> up or tap be a period (or maybe not).  Spaces would be interesting, 
> since they occur so frequently, and you don't want them to be too hard 
> or strainful to perform.
>
> Jim Witte
> js...@bl...
> Indiana University CS
>

Re: [Ipodlinux-devel] Re: Writing programs and compiling

[Bernard L. <le...@bo...>]

Hi David,

Thats good news about getting your development environment working.  If
you'd be interested in writing up a short howto I'm sure others would be
interested.

cheers,
bern.

On Sat, 2003-12-13 at 05:36, David Piasecki wrote:
> Got hello working properly. Jeff explained why I should be returning 0 
> instead of 1. For some reason I don't remember doing that the last time 
> I was programming in C.
> 
> I ran Daniel's binary on the g2 iPod, and it seemed to work fine. For 
> some reason, /etc/rc doesn't get called. I'm not sure where else to put 
> programs I want running on startup.
> 
> The other thing I noticed is that the scroll wheel keeps a record of 
> input even when you have it set to locked. Once you unlock the scroll 
> wheel and keys, all the characters you've hit stream in. Might be good 
> to fix for keeping the ipod in your pocket.
> 
> This is cool now that I can write programs for it!
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
> 
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[Ipodlinux-devel] Re: Writing programs and compiling

[David P. <dpi...@ma...>]

Bernard,

I've actually written up a 4-page howto because I've found the process 
to be so long and annoying to locate all the needed software tools. I'm 
sure some things are left out or incorrect because I haven't actually 
gotten the linux kernel to operate successfully when I compile it 
myself. So I sent the howto to Daniel to review. I used his 
configuration file when compiling the kernel, but when booting the 
kernel, mine tried to mount vfat instead of ext3. Hopefully he'll 
recognize what it is I'm doing differently than him, and then you can 
put the howto on the web. As far as compiling user programs, that seems 
to be fairly simple to set up. Just compile with arm-elf-gcc with the 
-elf2flt option, though I have yet to do anything more complicated than 
hello.

David


On Dec 14, 2003, at 6:28 AM, Bernard Leach wrote:

>
> Hi David,
>
> Thats good news about getting your development environment working.  If
> you'd be interested in writing up a short howto I'm sure others would 
> be
> interested.
>
> cheers,
> bern.