ipodlinux-devel

[Ipodlinux-devel] dead ipod?

[Steven L. <sl...@uc...>]

hello everybody,

i've run into some serious trouble here, and i'm wondering if anyone can
help.  it appears that the third requirement on the build page, "No
reservations about the possibility of ruining your iPod. This would likely
invalidate your warranty as well. You have been warned!" is not joking.  my
ipod is now, effectively, a very shiny brick.

symptoms:  that of a brick, except shiny.  won't turn on, won't respond to
button pushes, firewire attaches, holding play/menu down, or anything else.
i have not busted it open to try unplugging/replugging battery, i'm hoping
someone here can suggest something a little less dangerous first.

what i can reconstruct:  i wasn't really paying much attention (as i didn't
expect this to happen), but as far as i can here is what steps preceded this
lock-up:  i booted the ipod into linux and forgot about it.  this caused the
battery to run down.  no problem -- hooked it up via firewire, forced reboot
with play/menu and then forced fw with ff/rew.  dded in apple's firmware
image, which, due to my flaky firewire hardware, crashed my computer.
rebooted my computer, tried dding it again, this time it worked.  rebooted
ipod into playing mode (by unplugging firewire).  i didn't actually play any
songs, but it booted into the menuing system just fine.  plugged fw back in,
and it rebooted into charging mode (with the check mark).  i now left it
alone for two days, and then when i went to unplug it to take on my trip it
was absolutely dead.  it's been this way for a week, and i'm still very
puzzled.  any help about reviving it would be appreciated.

thanks, and may this never happen to you,

Steven

Re: [Ipodlinux-devel] dead ipod?

[Chandan K. [home] <ch...@to...>]

Strange, because I ran into a very similiar problem, but this was before
I started mucking around with the Linux. I think I left the ipod without
using for a while. As far as I remember I had connected it up for
charging but I am not positively sure about this.

Anyway, I too later saw that it was dead and when I took it to the Best
Buy for exchange they insisted that they try charging it again.
Miraculously it did revive ! Dunno if this is similiar to your case or
not. But no harm in trying the warranty in anycase if it doesnt come up
at all.

This also raises a question which I think has been mentioned elsewhere.
Does anyone know whats the best way of keeping the ipod charged ? Is it
okay to leave it on charge all the time or is it better to let it run
down halfway or full before recharging ? Does anyone have an
authoritative answer to this ?

Good luck,
Chandan


On Wed, 2003-04-02 at 18:22, Steven Lucy wrote:
> hello everybody,
> 
> i've run into some serious trouble here, and i'm wondering if anyone can
> help.  it appears that the third requirement on the build page, "No
> reservations about the possibility of ruining your iPod. This would likely
> invalidate your warranty as well. You have been warned!" is not joking.  my
> ipod is now, effectively, a very shiny brick.
> 
> symptoms:  that of a brick, except shiny.  won't turn on, won't respond to
> button pushes, firewire attaches, holding play/menu down, or anything else.
> i have not busted it open to try unplugging/replugging battery, i'm hoping
> someone here can suggest something a little less dangerous first.
> 
> what i can reconstruct:  i wasn't really paying much attention (as i didn't
> expect this to happen), but as far as i can here is what steps preceded this
> lock-up:  i booted the ipod into linux and forgot about it.  this caused the
> battery to run down.  no problem -- hooked it up via firewire, forced reboot
> with play/menu and then forced fw with ff/rew.  dded in apple's firmware
> image, which, due to my flaky firewire hardware, crashed my computer.
> rebooted my computer, tried dding it again, this time it worked.  rebooted
> ipod into playing mode (by unplugging firewire).  i didn't actually play any
> songs, but it booted into the menuing system just fine.  plugged fw back in,
> and it rebooted into charging mode (with the check mark).  i now left it
> alone for two days, and then when i went to unplug it to take on my trip it
> was absolutely dead.  it's been this way for a week, and i'm still very
> puzzled.  any help about reviving it would be appreciated.
> 
> thanks, and may this never happen to you,
> 
> Steven
> 
> 
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Re: [Ipodlinux-devel] dead ipod?

[Chandan K. [home] <ch...@to...>]

Strange, because I ran into a very similiar problem, but this was before
I started mucking around with the Linux. I think I left the ipod without
using for a while. As far as I remember I had connected it up for
charging but I am not positively sure about this.

Anyway, I too later saw that it was dead and when I took it to the Best
Buy for exchange they insisted that they try charging it again.
Miraculously it did revive ! Dunno if this is similiar to your case or
not. But no harm in trying the warranty in anycase if it doesnt come up
at all.

This also raises a question which I think has been mentioned elsewhere.
Does anyone know whats the best way of keeping the ipod charged ? Is it
okay to leave it on charge all the time or is it better to let it run
down halfway or full before recharging ? Does anyone have an
authoritative answer to this ?

Good luck,
Chandan


On Wed, 2003-04-02 at 18:22, Steven Lucy wrote:
> hello everybody,
> 
> i've run into some serious trouble here, and i'm wondering if anyone can
> help.  it appears that the third requirement on the build page, "No
> reservations about the possibility of ruining your iPod. This would likely
> invalidate your warranty as well. You have been warned!" is not joking.  my
> ipod is now, effectively, a very shiny brick.
> 
> symptoms:  that of a brick, except shiny.  won't turn on, won't respond to
> button pushes, firewire attaches, holding play/menu down, or anything else.
> i have not busted it open to try unplugging/replugging battery, i'm hoping
> someone here can suggest something a little less dangerous first.
> 
> what i can reconstruct:  i wasn't really paying much attention (as i didn't
> expect this to happen), but as far as i can here is what steps preceded this
> lock-up:  i booted the ipod into linux and forgot about it.  this caused the
> battery to run down.  no problem -- hooked it up via firewire, forced reboot
> with play/menu and then forced fw with ff/rew.  dded in apple's firmware
> image, which, due to my flaky firewire hardware, crashed my computer.
> rebooted my computer, tried dding it again, this time it worked.  rebooted
> ipod into playing mode (by unplugging firewire).  i didn't actually play any
> songs, but it booted into the menuing system just fine.  plugged fw back in,
> and it rebooted into charging mode (with the check mark).  i now left it
> alone for two days, and then when i went to unplug it to take on my trip it
> was absolutely dead.  it's been this way for a week, and i'm still very
> puzzled.  any help about reviving it would be appreciated.
> 
> thanks, and may this never happen to you,
> 
> Steven
> 
> 
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Re: [Ipodlinux-devel] dead ipod?

[Steven L. <sl...@uc...>]

On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 10:09:30PM -0500, "Chandan Kudige [home]" <ch...@to...> said
> Anyway, I too later saw that it was dead and when I took it to the Best
> Buy for exchange they insisted that they try charging it again.
> Miraculously it did revive ! Dunno if this is similiar to your case or
> not. But no harm in trying the warranty in anycase if it doesnt come up
> at all.

well, i'll be.  i swear i did nothing different this time -- just plugged in
the ipod, insmoded ohci1394.o, and everything is dandy.  this is exactly
what i did before, but this time i got a little apple, and now a check mark.
how strange.  thanks for everyone's help!

Steven

Re: [Ipodlinux-devel] dead ipod?

[Bernard L. <le...@bo...>]

Hi Steven,

If I understand correctly you were charging in the disk-mode?  If that
is the case it seems very unlikely that anything that went before had
anything to do with the current state.

What version of the firmware are you running?  Did the image you dd'ed
back match the version you had flashed in?  E.g. the last firmware
update you did with the iPod firmware updater?  Do you have another iPod
charger you could test it with?  Or another powered firmware port?

When you say its dead - I take it there is nothing on trying to reset
it?  No HDD noise, no LCD changes?  If thats the case I would have to
guess that your battery is completely dead.

Fingers crossed!

cheers,
bern.

On Thu, 2003-04-03 at 01:22, Steven Lucy wrote:
> hello everybody,
> 
> i've run into some serious trouble here, and i'm wondering if anyone can
> help.  it appears that the third requirement on the build page, "No
> reservations about the possibility of ruining your iPod. This would likely
> invalidate your warranty as well. You have been warned!" is not joking.  my
> ipod is now, effectively, a very shiny brick.
> 
> symptoms:  that of a brick, except shiny.  won't turn on, won't respond to
> button pushes, firewire attaches, holding play/menu down, or anything else.
> i have not busted it open to try unplugging/replugging battery, i'm hoping
> someone here can suggest something a little less dangerous first.
> 
> what i can reconstruct:  i wasn't really paying much attention (as i didn't
> expect this to happen), but as far as i can here is what steps preceded this
> lock-up:  i booted the ipod into linux and forgot about it.  this caused the
> battery to run down.  no problem -- hooked it up via firewire, forced reboot
> with play/menu and then forced fw with ff/rew.  dded in apple's firmware
> image, which, due to my flaky firewire hardware, crashed my computer.
> rebooted my computer, tried dding it again, this time it worked.  rebooted
> ipod into playing mode (by unplugging firewire).  i didn't actually play any
> songs, but it booted into the menuing system just fine.  plugged fw back in,
> and it rebooted into charging mode (with the check mark).  i now left it
> alone for two days, and then when i went to unplug it to take on my trip it
> was absolutely dead.  it's been this way for a week, and i'm still very
> puzzled.  any help about reviving it would be appreciated.
> 
> thanks, and may this never happen to you,
> 
> Steven
> 
> 
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Re: [Ipodlinux-devel] dead ipod?

[Mark G. <mgu...@ma...>]

On April 3, 2003 03:07 am, Bernard Leach wrote:
> When you say its dead - I take it there is nothing on trying to reset
> it?  No HDD noise, no LCD changes?  If thats the case I would have to
> guess that your battery is completely dead.

I saw this symptom on mine long before I ran linux on it.  Opening and doing a 
full PMU reset might fix it up as well, there's links all over on how to do 
it

Gerk