Re: [Inkscape-user] Color Management on OSX

[~suv <suv-sf@us...>]

On 2/12/09 16:01, Chris Tregenza wrote:
> ~suv wrote:
>> On 2/12/09 14:39, Chris Tregenza wrote:
>>> Inkscape 0.47 r22583 Built Nov 24 2009
>>> OSX 10.5.8
>>>
>>> None of the color management options work.
>>>
>>> The Inkscape Preferences -> Colour Management tab has a drop-down list 
>>> for Display Profile.
>>>
>>> This only lists <None> as an option. The mouse-over says that it checks 
>>> four different directories. I have confirm that all four directories 
>>> exist and at least one of them contains valid ICC profiles (e.g. they 
>>> work correctly in Scribus).
>>>
>>> The Device Profile drop-down on the same tab, has no options, appears to 
>>> be greyed out and has no mouse-over information.
>>>
>>> Is this a bug or am I missing something?
>>>
>>> Any help or suggestions appreciated. I'm trying to create a CMYK 
>>> compatible PNG file for import into a PDF that is going to a 
>>> professional printers.
>> 
>> IIUC you are looking for 'Document Properties > Color Management >
>> Linked Color Profiles' to link an available ICC Color Profile to your
>> SVG document. After you have linked one it will be available in the
>> 'Fill&Stroke' CMS tab.
>> 
>> The 'Inkscape Preferences > Color Management > Color adjustment' lets
>> you choose a ColorSync Profile for your monitor: on my MBP with 10.5.8 I
>> have only 'Color LCD' or 'None' to choose from. The Device Profile
>> selector is empty here too. I don't know about that.
>> 
>> If you used some prerelease versions with the same login account, it
>> could be that the Display Profile is wrongly set in the preferences file
>> and cannot be changed, and as a result Inkscape crashes when you open
>> the 'Document Properties' dialog. Please see bug #482148 and #455894 for
>> available workarounds.
>
> Progress!
> 
> I had looked at the 'Document Properties > Color Management >
>  > Linked Color Profiles' before but none of my devices were showing up 
> there. So I assumed it was to do with the lack of settings in my 
> Inkscape Preferences.
> 
> However I've just looked at it again and it is now showing my devices. 
> This may be connected to the fact I have copied my icc profiles into 
> /users/<username>/.local/share/colors/icc as an attempt to get the 
> Inkscape Properties Color Management tab working.
> 
> <Later>
> 
> I've just tried removing the icc files from 
> /users/<username>/.local/share/colors/icc and they disappear from the 
> Document Properties --> Color Profile option. If I put them back, they 
> reappear.
> 
> I'm not sure if this the desired behaviour but it would be more sensible 
> if Inkscape Preferences and Document Preferences both looked in the same 
> locations for icc files.

AFAIU these are two separate kind of profiles that Inkscape looks for in
the same places (including in "$XDG_DATA_HOME/color/icc" which defaults
to '~/.local/share/color/icc'): ColorSync Display profiles and ICC Color
Profiles for the document.

What I can choose from in both dialogs are Apple's default profiles (I
haven't installed any additional ICC or ICM profiles yet):

> LeWitt:~ suv$ ll -R /Library/ColorSync
> total 8
> drwxrwxr-x  10 root  admin  340 Oct 10  2008 Profiles/
> lrwxr-xr-x   1 root  admin   20 Nov  7  2008 Scripts@ -> ../Scripts/ColorSync
> 
> /Library/ColorSync/Profiles:
> total 288
> -rw-rw-r--  1 root  admin  25624 Oct 10  2008 Black & White.icc
> -rw-rw-r--  1 root  admin  30420 Oct 10  2008 Blue Tone.icc
> drwxrwxr-x  3 root  admin    102 Aug  6 04:17 Displays/
> -rw-rw-r--  1 root  admin  30420 Oct 10  2008 Gray Tone.icc
> -rw-rw-r--  1 root  admin   2736 Oct 10  2008 Lightness Decrease.icc
> -rw-rw-r--  1 root  admin   2728 Oct 10  2008 Lightness Increase.icc
> -rw-rw-r--  1 root  admin  30428 Oct 10  2008 Sepia Tone.icc
> -rw-rw-r--  1 root  admin  10780 Oct 10  2008 WebSafeColors.icc
> 
> /Library/ColorSync/Profiles/Displays:
> total 16
> -rw-r--r--@ 1 root  admin  4380 Aug  6 04:17 Color LCD-4272102.icc
> LeWitt:~ suv$ 

Inkscape shows profiles available in 'ColorSync/Displays/*.icc' in
'Inkscape Preferences > Color management > Color adjustment > Display
profile', those in 'ColorSnyc/*.icc' in 'Document Properties > Color
Management > Available Color Profiles'.

~suv

[Inkscape-user] Color Management on OSX

[Chris Tregenza <Junk-sribus@tr...>]

Inkscape 0.47 r22583 Built Nov 24 2009
OSX 10.5.8

None of the color management options work.

The Inkscape Preferences -> Colour Management tab has a drop-down list 
for Display Profile.

This only lists <None> as an option. The mouse-over says that it checks 
four different directories. I have confirm that all four directories 
exist and at least one of them contains valid ICC profiles (e.g. they 
work correctly in Scribus).

The Device Profile drop-down on the same tab, has no options, appears to 
be greyed out and has no mouse-over information.

Is this a bug or am I missing something?

Any help or suggestions appreciated. I'm trying to create a CMYK 
compatible PNG file for import into a PDF that is going to a 
professional printers.


Many thanks


Chris

Re: [Inkscape-user] Color Management on OSX

[~suv <suv-sf@us...>]

On 2/12/09 14:39, Chris Tregenza wrote:
> Inkscape 0.47 r22583 Built Nov 24 2009
> OSX 10.5.8
> 
> None of the color management options work.
> 
> The Inkscape Preferences -> Colour Management tab has a drop-down list 
> for Display Profile.
> 
> This only lists <None> as an option. The mouse-over says that it checks 
> four different directories. I have confirm that all four directories 
> exist and at least one of them contains valid ICC profiles (e.g. they 
> work correctly in Scribus).
> 
> The Device Profile drop-down on the same tab, has no options, appears to 
> be greyed out and has no mouse-over information.
> 
> Is this a bug or am I missing something?
> 
> Any help or suggestions appreciated. I'm trying to create a CMYK 
> compatible PNG file for import into a PDF that is going to a 
> professional printers.

IIUC you are looking for 'Document Properties > Color Management >
Linked Color Profiles' to link an available ICC Color Profile to your
SVG document. After you have linked one it will be available in the
'Fill&Stroke' CMS tab.

The 'Inkscape Preferences > Color Management > Color adjustment' lets
you choose a ColorSync Profile for your monitor: on my MBP with 10.5.8 I
have only 'Color LCD' or 'None' to choose from. The Device Profile
selector is empty here too. I don't know about that.

If you used some prerelease versions with the same login account, it
could be that the Display Profile is wrongly set in the preferences file
and cannot be changed, and as a result Inkscape crashes when you open
the 'Document Properties' dialog. Please see bug #482148 and #455894 for
available workarounds.

hth, ~suv

Re: [Inkscape-user] Color Management on OSX

[Chris Tregenza <Junk-sribus@tr...>]

Suv,

Progress!

I had looked at the 'Document Properties > Color Management >
 > Linked Color Profiles' before but none of my devices were showing up 
there. So I assumed it was to do with the lack of settings in my 
Inkscape Preferences.

However I've just looked at it again and it is now showing my devices. 
This may be connected to the fact I have copied my icc profiles into 
/users/<username>/.local/share/colors/icc as an attempt to get the 
Inkscape Properties Color Management tab working.

<Later>

I've just tried removing the icc files from 
/users/<username>/.local/share/colors/icc and they disappear from the 
Document Properties --> Color Profile option. If I put them back, they 
reappear.

I'm not sure if this the desired behaviour but it would be more sensible 
if Inkscape Preferences and Document Preferences both looked in the same 
locations for icc files.

Thanks for the help.


Chris






~suv wrote:
> On 2/12/09 14:39, Chris Tregenza wrote:
>> Inkscape 0.47 r22583 Built Nov 24 2009
>> OSX 10.5.8
>>
>> None of the color management options work.
>>
>> The Inkscape Preferences -> Colour Management tab has a drop-down list 
>> for Display Profile.
>>
>> This only lists <None> as an option. The mouse-over says that it checks 
>> four different directories. I have confirm that all four directories 
>> exist and at least one of them contains valid ICC profiles (e.g. they 
>> work correctly in Scribus).
>>
>> The Device Profile drop-down on the same tab, has no options, appears to 
>> be greyed out and has no mouse-over information.
>>
>> Is this a bug or am I missing something?
>>
>> Any help or suggestions appreciated. I'm trying to create a CMYK 
>> compatible PNG file for import into a PDF that is going to a 
>> professional printers.
> 
> IIUC you are looking for 'Document Properties > Color Management >
> Linked Color Profiles' to link an available ICC Color Profile to your
> SVG document. After you have linked one it will be available in the
> 'Fill&Stroke' CMS tab.
> 
> The 'Inkscape Preferences > Color Management > Color adjustment' lets
> you choose a ColorSync Profile for your monitor: on my MBP with 10.5.8 I
> have only 'Color LCD' or 'None' to choose from. The Device Profile
> selector is empty here too. I don't know about that.
> 
> If you used some prerelease versions with the same login account, it
> could be that the Display Profile is wrongly set in the preferences file
> and cannot be changed, and as a result Inkscape crashes when you open
> the 'Document Properties' dialog. Please see bug #482148 and #455894 for
> available workarounds.
> 
> hth, ~suv
> 
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Re: [Inkscape-user] Color Management on OSX

[~suv <suv-sf@us...>]

On 2/12/09 16:01, Chris Tregenza wrote:
> ~suv wrote:
>> On 2/12/09 14:39, Chris Tregenza wrote:
>>> Inkscape 0.47 r22583 Built Nov 24 2009
>>> OSX 10.5.8
>>>
>>> None of the color management options work.
>>>
>>> The Inkscape Preferences -> Colour Management tab has a drop-down list 
>>> for Display Profile.
>>>
>>> This only lists <None> as an option. The mouse-over says that it checks 
>>> four different directories. I have confirm that all four directories 
>>> exist and at least one of them contains valid ICC profiles (e.g. they 
>>> work correctly in Scribus).
>>>
>>> The Device Profile drop-down on the same tab, has no options, appears to 
>>> be greyed out and has no mouse-over information.
>>>
>>> Is this a bug or am I missing something?
>>>
>>> Any help or suggestions appreciated. I'm trying to create a CMYK 
>>> compatible PNG file for import into a PDF that is going to a 
>>> professional printers.
>> 
>> IIUC you are looking for 'Document Properties > Color Management >
>> Linked Color Profiles' to link an available ICC Color Profile to your
>> SVG document. After you have linked one it will be available in the
>> 'Fill&Stroke' CMS tab.
>> 
>> The 'Inkscape Preferences > Color Management > Color adjustment' lets
>> you choose a ColorSync Profile for your monitor: on my MBP with 10.5.8 I
>> have only 'Color LCD' or 'None' to choose from. The Device Profile
>> selector is empty here too. I don't know about that.
>> 
>> If you used some prerelease versions with the same login account, it
>> could be that the Display Profile is wrongly set in the preferences file
>> and cannot be changed, and as a result Inkscape crashes when you open
>> the 'Document Properties' dialog. Please see bug #482148 and #455894 for
>> available workarounds.
>
> Progress!
> 
> I had looked at the 'Document Properties > Color Management >
>  > Linked Color Profiles' before but none of my devices were showing up 
> there. So I assumed it was to do with the lack of settings in my 
> Inkscape Preferences.
> 
> However I've just looked at it again and it is now showing my devices. 
> This may be connected to the fact I have copied my icc profiles into 
> /users/<username>/.local/share/colors/icc as an attempt to get the 
> Inkscape Properties Color Management tab working.
> 
> <Later>
> 
> I've just tried removing the icc files from 
> /users/<username>/.local/share/colors/icc and they disappear from the 
> Document Properties --> Color Profile option. If I put them back, they 
> reappear.
> 
> I'm not sure if this the desired behaviour but it would be more sensible 
> if Inkscape Preferences and Document Preferences both looked in the same 
> locations for icc files.

AFAIU these are two separate kind of profiles that Inkscape looks for in
the same places (including in "$XDG_DATA_HOME/color/icc" which defaults
to '~/.local/share/color/icc'): ColorSync Display profiles and ICC Color
Profiles for the document.

What I can choose from in both dialogs are Apple's default profiles (I
haven't installed any additional ICC or ICM profiles yet):

> LeWitt:~ suv$ ll -R /Library/ColorSync
> total 8
> drwxrwxr-x  10 root  admin  340 Oct 10  2008 Profiles/
> lrwxr-xr-x   1 root  admin   20 Nov  7  2008 Scripts@ -> ../Scripts/ColorSync
> 
> /Library/ColorSync/Profiles:
> total 288
> -rw-rw-r--  1 root  admin  25624 Oct 10  2008 Black & White.icc
> -rw-rw-r--  1 root  admin  30420 Oct 10  2008 Blue Tone.icc
> drwxrwxr-x  3 root  admin    102 Aug  6 04:17 Displays/
> -rw-rw-r--  1 root  admin  30420 Oct 10  2008 Gray Tone.icc
> -rw-rw-r--  1 root  admin   2736 Oct 10  2008 Lightness Decrease.icc
> -rw-rw-r--  1 root  admin   2728 Oct 10  2008 Lightness Increase.icc
> -rw-rw-r--  1 root  admin  30428 Oct 10  2008 Sepia Tone.icc
> -rw-rw-r--  1 root  admin  10780 Oct 10  2008 WebSafeColors.icc
> 
> /Library/ColorSync/Profiles/Displays:
> total 16
> -rw-r--r--@ 1 root  admin  4380 Aug  6 04:17 Color LCD-4272102.icc
> LeWitt:~ suv$ 

Inkscape shows profiles available in 'ColorSync/Displays/*.icc' in
'Inkscape Preferences > Color management > Color adjustment > Display
profile', those in 'ColorSnyc/*.icc' in 'Document Properties > Color
Management > Available Color Profiles'.

~suv

Re: [Inkscape-user] Color Management on OSX

[Stuart Edwards <sedwards2@ci...>]

> Inkscape 0.47 r22583 Built Nov 24 2009
> OSX 10.5.8
> 
> None of the color management options work.
> 
> The Inkscape Preferences -> Colour Management tab has a drop-down list 
> for Display Profile.
> 
> This only lists <None> as an option. The mouse-over says that it checks 
> four different directories. I have confirm that all four directories 
> exist and at least one of them contains valid ICC profiles (e.g. they 
> work correctly in Scribus).
> 
> The Device Profile drop-down on the same tab, has no options, appears to 
> be greyed out and has no mouse-over information.
> 
> Is this a bug or am I missing something?
> 
> Any help or suggestions appreciated. I'm trying to create a CMYK 
> compatible PNG file for import into a PDF that is going to a 
> professional printers.
> 
> 
> Many thanks
> 
> 
> Chris
> 
> 

When I look at the Device Profile drop-down there's a mouseover dialog that explains what the function is for (identifies three files that are to be searched) and the actual drop down shows AL2216W and Cinema HD as options that can be selected (along with <none>).  The other drop downs on this screen seem to be working too.  Sorry this doesn't help to fix your problem - just a data point ~

0.47 on 10.6.2 - 

Stu

Re: [Inkscape-user] Color Management on OSX

[Chris Tregenza <Junk-sribus@tr...>]

Thanks Stu, at least it lets me know that it is a problem with my 
installation.

Chris

Stuart Edwards wrote:
> 
>> Inkscape 0.47 r22583 Built Nov 24 2009
>> OSX 10.5.8
>>
>> None of the color management options work.
>>
>> The Inkscape Preferences -> Colour Management tab has a drop-down list 
>> for Display Profile.
>>
>> This only lists <None> as an option. The mouse-over says that it checks 
>> four different directories. I have confirm that all four directories 
>> exist and at least one of them contains valid ICC profiles (e.g. they 
>> work correctly in Scribus).
>>
>> The Device Profile drop-down on the same tab, has no options, appears to 
>> be greyed out and has no mouse-over information.
>>
>> Is this a bug or am I missing something?
>>
>> Any help or suggestions appreciated. I'm trying to create a CMYK 
>> compatible PNG file for import into a PDF that is going to a 
>> professional printers.
>>
>>
>> Many thanks
>>
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
> 
> When I look at the Device Profile drop-down there's a mouseover dialog that explains what the function is for (identifies three files that are to be searched) and the actual drop down shows AL2216W and Cinema HD as options that can be selected (along with <none>).  The other drop downs on this screen seem to be working too.  Sorry this doesn't help to fix your problem - just a data point ~
> 
> 0.47 on 10.6.2 - 
> 
> Stu
> 
> 
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Re: [Inkscape-user] Color Management on OSX

[Chris Lilley <chris@w3...>]

On Wednesday, December 2, 2009, 2:39:19 PM, Chris wrote:


CT> I'm trying to create a CMYK 
CT> compatible PNG file for import into a PDF that is going to a 
CT> professional printers.

PNG can't store CMYK, by the way, only RGB.


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