Re: [Inkscape-devel] win98 to be dropped?

[Adib Taraben <taraben.a@wi...>]

Regarding this long lasting discussion

1. I tried the Mozilla firefox 1.5 Beta aka dear park alpha that use cairo
    and it runs under Win98 and shows also some SVG (the marbles looks 
somehow dodgy)
2. I found this message from the cairo-mailinglist mentioning to do a 
software fallback for win98
    http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/cairo/2005-August/004944.html


HTH,

Adib.
---
Do you guys think that I also have this germish style (german sentences 
just babelfished) ;-)

bulia byak schrieb:
> Looks like the win98 crash will not be fixed. I even submitted a bug
> to Gnome but it got no response so far:
> 
> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=316878
> 
> Since no one agreed to roll back windows libs to the previous working
> version, we have to officially drop support for this platform.
> 
> This saddens me immensely, it's a defeat which will likely affect my
> feelings towards the project. I have win98 on an older box that my
> wife and kids use, and now suddenly it has no latest Inkscape anymore.
> (Not that it worked there perfectly before, but at least it worked and
> was used quite often.)
> 
> Here's my proposed addition to the Known Issues in the release notes -
> Peter and/or Jon, please review and commit (unless you have any other
> ideas, of course):
> 
> Due to a bug in GTK 2.8, this version of Inkscape will not work on
> Windows 95/98/ME. Please don't send us crash reports from those
> platforms. We hope to be able to resume support for these platforms in
> the future, but no specific committments can be made at this point.
> 
> 
> --
> bulia byak
> Inkscape. Draw Freely.
> http://www.inkscape.org
> 
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Re: [Inkscape-devel] win98 to be dropped?

[Craig Bradney <cbradney@zi...>]

On Tuesday 04 October 2005 19:07, mental@... wrote:
> Now, as things are presently, we may be able to scrape up some win9x
> devs to address the Cairo issues, but this is an issue that is not
> going to go away in the long term.
>
> The fundamental problem is that a declining supply of free software
> developers own and use a copy of win98.  Not just in Inkscape, but
> in the free software ecosystem as a whole.

Which is not totally surprising given the lack of updates, especially 
security, and more and more commercial apps wont run on it.

Craig

[Inkscape-devel] Inkscape in the press : Spain

[Jose Hevia <jose.francisco.hevia@gm...>]

An article of Inkscape with topic "Ilustracion con Inkscape" in the
Spanish magazine "TodoLinux".
Not a very good one in my opinion.
                                                                     =20
              Jose Hevia

Re: [Inkscape-devel] FOP (SVG2PDF)

[Bob Jamison <rjamison@ti...>]

mental@... wrote:

>Quoting "Jon A. Cruz" <jon@...>:
>
>  
>
>>On Oct 3, 2005, at 1:42 PM, Bob Jamison wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Nicu Buculei wrote:
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>2. regarding the size, JVM is a bigger dependency compared
>>>>        
>>>>
>>with
>>    
>>
>>>>either Perl and Python;
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>I agree.   It would add 15 MB or so for the JRE.
>>>      
>>>
>>Or 0 MB or so for OS X.
>>    
>>
>
>Or 0 MB for most Linux users, because there's no easy way to install
>a working JVM.
>
>Do you really expect most end-users to be able to hunt down and
>install the blackdown stuff?
>
>  
>

Actually, the JRE doesn't need to be 'installed'.  What we have done in the
past for commercial apps, and which would work for anyone, is also the
preferred way of doing it...  Bundle the jre as a subdirectory of your app's
distro directory, and instead of calling "java ClassName", call
"./jre/bin/java ClassName".  Often the end user is never aware that he 
is using
a Java app.

But, again, I'm not espousing this for Inkscape.. just describing how this
is not necessarily such a horrible monster.



bob

Re: [Inkscape-devel] win98 to be dropped?

[<mental@ry...>]

Now, as things are presently, we may be able to scrape up some win9x
devs to address the Cairo issues, but this is an issue that is not
going to go away in the long term.

The fundamental problem is that a declining supply of free software
developers own and use a copy of win98.  Not just in Inkscape, but
in the free software ecosystem as a whole.

I suppose one could argue, from a strategic point of view, that
developers like Bryce or myself should pirate a copy of Win98 and
devote their time to developing for it instead of (for example)
Linux.

Needless to say, you'll have to forgive me if I decline.

-mental

Re: [Inkscape-devel] FOP (SVG2PDF)

[<mental@ry...>]

Quoting Nicu Buculei <nicu@...>:

> considering the advancements in gcj development, there is a good
> chance every distro will have a JVM at some point

gcj is the precise opposite of a JVM.  The only useful free software
Java _VM_ in existence is IKVM ... and that depends on .net/mono ...

-mental

Re: [Inkscape-devel] FOP (SVG2PDF)

[<mental@ry...>]

Quoting "Jon A. Cruz" <jon@...>:

> On Oct 3, 2005, at 1:42 PM, Bob Jamison wrote:
>
> > Nicu Buculei wrote:
> >
> >> 2. regarding the size, JVM is a bigger dependency compared
> with
> >> either Perl and Python;
> >>
> > I agree.   It would add 15 MB or so for the JRE.
>
> Or 0 MB or so for OS X.

Or 0 MB for most Linux users, because there's no easy way to install
a working JVM.

Do you really expect most end-users to be able to hunt down and
install the blackdown stuff?

> That's why all modern versions of OS X come with Java as a
> built-in.
> > R. Stallman is my hero, but I disagree on this topic.  This is
> > an irrational religious obsession with him.  -Using- the VM
> > does not poison software.

Maybe that would be true if there was a sufficiently free VM
implementation available...

There's a pragmatic issue at the root of this -- a system is only
going to be as free as its least free required component.  Do you
disagree with that?

> > But, no, I don't want to add Java as a dep either.  But it
> -can- be
> > called, and it would
> > probably be good to have the capability to use it as an option.
>
> And I agree with that also.

Yes, as far as that goes I agree.  We just can't make anything
critical depend on Java.

-mental

Re: [Inkscape-devel] win98 to be dropped?

[Bob Jamison <rjamison@ti...>]

Taraben, Adib wrote:

> Bob,
>
> if you guide me what to do. I have no experience with this gtk stuff.
>
> Adib.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> ...
> > --
> > bulia byak
> > Inkscape. Draw Freely.
> > http://www.inkscape.org
> >
> >  
>
> Bulia,
>
> It saddens me, too.  What we need is some guy who has Win98, and 
> enough disk
> space to set up the Mingw environment to build and test.  Is there
> nobody out there?
>
> Please be patient with us.  We are on your side, dude.  You are the best
> GUI programmer
> on the planet, and the heart and soul of this project.
>
>
>
> Bob
>
>

There are instructions at http://inkscape.org/win32.  The latest library 
bundle is
there, also.


Bob

Re: [Inkscape-devel] win98 to be dropped?

[Bob Jamison <rjamison@ti...>]

herve couvelard wrote:

>
>> Except in this case, win9* users have it entirely in their power to 
>> control this, in that they can participate in providing that support.
>> Indeed, Inkscape can *only* feasibly support a given platform if it has
>> adequate participation by users of that platform.
>>
>> Bryce
>>
>
> Do you mean that users will have the power to fix the GTK2.8 bug ?
> Do you mean that some users should fork gtk ?


Actually, a possibility would be to hack the Glib or Gtk+ source, build it
and insert it into our library bundle.   Remember that for Win32, we supply
the libraries ourselves, and can do almost whatever we need to fix them.


Bob

RE: [Inkscape-devel] Inkscape und Drucken

[Taraben, Adib <taraben.a@wi...>]

Thomas, hast du schon mal auf dem bug-tracker nach deinem problem =
gesucht ?
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=3D93438&atid=3D604306
ich kann mich an so was wie Drucker in Verbindung mit Netzwerk erinnern.
Auch findest du im Jabber Netz bei #inkscape.de evtl. deutsche Hilfe
Das wars erst mal in aller Schnelle, Adib.
----

I will translate to this english speaking list :-)

Thomas found this program and is very exited.
But when he prints over the network there comes an Runtime error:
10H in Modul msvcrt.Dll bei 0197:7820ea8f
So printing for him is not possible.

He asks whether it is possible to store in a format like *.DXF  *.Hpg   =
or  *.plt.=20
He has a pantograph milling machine that can read those formats best.

Then he posts a RFE
Inkscape should also StarOffice compatible file format.

so far Thomas.

-----Original Message-----
From: inkscape-devel-admin@... on behalf of thomas
Sent: Tue 10/4/2005 17:12
To: Inkscape-devel@...
Subject: [Inkscape-devel] Inkscape und Drucken
=20
Ich habe mir  das Programm auf meinem Rechner gespielt, weil das was ich =
gelesen (im internet) habe
sich gut anh=F6rte f=FCr mich.
Da ich aber kein Fachmann bin sende ich euch meine Probleme.
Sollten die probleme nicht an dem programm liegen=20
bitte ich um entschuldigung f=FCr die St=F6rung.
Druchen =FCber das Netzwerk ist bei mir nicht m=F6glich.
Inkscape versursacht einen Ausnahmefeher 10H in Modul msvcrt.Dll bei =
0197:7820ea8f

Frage:
Ist es m=F6glich das was ich mit dem Programm gemalt habe
in    *.DXF  *.Hpg   oder  *.plt  zu speichern.

Ich habe eine Gravier- Fr=E4smaschiene die diese Daten am besten Lesen =
kann
viele andere kann ich zwar importieren aber mu=DF sie in dem =
dazugeh=F6riegen=20
Programm noch einmal Zeichnen.

Ich sch=E4tze mal das w=FCrde vielen Leuten die mit so einer Maschiene=20
arbeiten helfen.

Verbesserungsvorschlag:
Da dieses Programm ein freies Programm ist, w=E4re es sehr
sinnvoll wenn man die daten auch mit StarOffice =F6ffnen kann
oder dahin Eportieren. Da Staroffice auch ein freies Programm ist.
So k=F6nnte man wieder etwas abstand von MS gewinnen.


Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen
Thomas

[Inkscape-devel] --new-canvas?

[Ralf Stephan <ralf@ar...>]

Hello,
regarding C++ification, I've reached a point with Desktop where
the class would be suited for inclusion in a Gtkmm environment,
were it not for its dependency on SPCanvas etc

We have now three possibilities:
1. forget about Desktop, incrementally improve the code in
   UI::View::Edit, first by separating Edit into Edit/EditWidget.
   After that, steal from Desktop what's needed.
2. Separate EditWidget from Edit. Discard rest. 
   Rename Desktop to Edit.
3. Before worrying about 1/2, implement Gtkmm canvas under Desktop,
   enabling it via --new-canvas for testing. After that, goto 2.

I have questions for those in the know:


Is it technically possible to have everything as is, plus 
only a Gtkmm canvas?

If so, would you prefer having a Gtkmm canvas tested first,
instead of the Gtkmm UI?

I have made a branch CXXIFICATION_VIEW_AND_WIDGET for work
until now. As the next steps might not fit this description,
should I create a second one GTKMM_CANVAS and merge them back
later separately? (This appears cleaner to me.)


ralf

[Inkscape-devel] Inkscape und Drucken

[thomas <t.seeger@fr...>]

Ich habe mir  das Programm auf meinem Rechner gespielt, weil das was ich =
gelesen (im internet) habe
sich gut anh=F6rte f=FCr mich.
Da ich aber kein Fachmann bin sende ich euch meine Probleme.
Sollten die probleme nicht an dem programm liegen=20
bitte ich um entschuldigung f=FCr die St=F6rung.
Druchen =FCber das Netzwerk ist bei mir nicht m=F6glich.
Inkscape versursacht einen Ausnahmefeher 10H in Modul msvcrt.Dll bei =
0197:7820ea8f

Frage:
Ist es m=F6glich das was ich mit dem Programm gemalt habe
in    *.DXF  *.Hpg   oder  *.plt  zu speichern.

Ich habe eine Gravier- Fr=E4smaschiene die diese Daten am besten Lesen =
kann
viele andere kann ich zwar importieren aber mu=DF sie in dem =
dazugeh=F6riegen=20
Programm noch einmal Zeichnen.

Ich sch=E4tze mal das w=FCrde vielen Leuten die mit so einer Maschiene=20
arbeiten helfen.

Verbesserungsvorschlag:
Da dieses Programm ein freies Programm ist, w=E4re es sehr
sinnvoll wenn man die daten auch mit StarOffice =F6ffnen kann
oder dahin Eportieren. Da Staroffice auch ein freies Programm ist.
So k=F6nnte man wieder etwas abstand von MS gewinnen.


Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen
Thomas

Re: [Inkscape-devel] win98 to be dropped?

[Nicu Buculei <nicu@ap...>]

herve couvelard wrote:
> Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
> 
>> On 10/4/05, herve couvelard <herve.couvelard@...> wrote:
>>
>>> ps : will gtkmm will work on win98 ? or red hat 9 ?
>>
> 
>> dag.wieers.com/packages/gtkmm2/
>>
>> It took me a single miserable minute to find it :)
>>
> 
> I was asking if _inkscape_ with gtkmm will work on win98 and redhat 9.

also from Dag: http://dag.wieers.com/packages/inkscape/ , the latest 
available is 0.39
have you tried the autopackage version? but the static rpm?

at least, compared with Windows, a Linux upgrade require no money...

-- 
nicu

Re: [Inkscape-devel] Re: Win98 Support sopped -or so (FW: (gtk) bug and win98)

[Bryce Harrington <bryce@br...>]

On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 10:22:33AM +0200, Taraben, Adib wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> according this bug that bulia mentionen I wrote to the gtk mailing list and got so far 1 answer through the mailing list.
> 
> Pls. read that they state Win98 as a "obsolte os where apperantly no developer is interested anymore."
> I dont know wether this is the voice of the whole gtk devel group or yust this one person.
> 
> So what is our plan ?

Thanks for doing this research Adib, this really helps narrow things
down.

If this is correct, the issue is not with gtk itself, but rather with
cairo.  This is quite interesting given our own interest in eventually
moving to cairo.

What you should do next is repeat your question to the cairo
developers.  Re-explain the issue and mention the desire for win98
support.  Ask if they already have made plans for this, or if not, what
would be required to achieve it.  Mention that there are users quite
interested in having Win98 support, and point them at this mail thread.

Bryce
 
> Adib.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hans Breuer [mailto:hans@...]
> Sent: Mon 10/3/2005 23:40
> To: Taraben, Adib
> Cc: GTK Devel List
> Subject: Re: (gtk) bug and win98
>  
> On 03.10.2005 22:44, Adib Taraben wrote:
> > Hello gtk-team,
> > 
> > Inkscape is a SVG vector graphics editor that uses gtk and gtkmm.
> > Currently with the 2.8 libs there is a problem starting on win98.
> > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=316878
> > 
> > Is it possible from you guys to investigate in this bug and find out 
> > wether it is a real gtk bug or not?
> > 
> No need to investigate. Cairo - which gtk+-2.8 depends on - is known not
> to work on win32. This is due to using only the unicode APIs for win32
> font access. This API does not work on win9x.
> 
> > Inkscape will release a new version the next weeks and it would be good 
> > (I think) to ship the win32 version with gtk 2.8. Gtk 2.6 is known to 
> > work also on win98.
> > 
> If they are *really* interested in win9x support patches to
> http://cvs.cairographics.org/cairo/src/cairo-win32-font.c would probably
> be accepted. Though there may as well be other issues with running gtk+ on
> an obsolte os where apperantly no developer is interested anymore.
> 
> 	Hans
> 
> -------- Hans "at" Breuer "dot" Org -----------
> Tell me what you need, and I'll tell you how to
> get along without it.                -- Dilbert
> 

Re: [Inkscape-devel] win98 to be dropped?

[Alexandre Prokoudine <alexandre.prokoudine@gm...>]

On 10/4/05, herve couvelard <herve.couvelard@...> wrote:

> > dag.wieers.com/packages/gtkmm2/
> >
> > It took me a single miserable minute to find it :)
> >
>
> I was asking if _inkscape_ with gtkmm will work on win98 and redhat 9.

Could you please explain why Inkscape shouldn't compile on RH9 if
gtkmm2/gtk2 packages are available for this platform?

Alexandre

Re: [Inkscape-devel] win98 to be dropped?

[herve couvelard <herve.couvelard@wa...>]

Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
> On 10/4/05, herve couvelard <herve.couvelard@...> wrote:
> 
> 
>>ps : will gtkmm will work on win98 ? or red hat 9 ?
> 
> 

> dag.wieers.com/packages/gtkmm2/
> 
> It took me a single miserable minute to find it :)
> 

I was asking if _inkscape_ with gtkmm will work on win98 and redhat 9.

Re: [Inkscape-devel] win98 to be dropped?

[Bryce Harrington <bryce@br...>]

On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 10:36:13AM +0200, Ralf Stephan wrote:
> bryce:
> > > but as disturbing as it is, free software does the same thing, force 
> > > users to upgrade their Windows version.
> > 
> > Except in this case, win9* users have it entirely in their power to 
> > control this, in that they can participate in providing that support.
> > Indeed, Inkscape can *only* feasibly support a given platform if it has
> > adequate participation by users of that platform.
> 
> That's why the release note's apology should include the
> bugzilla link, instead of only frustrating users. If there
> are many really active Win9* users, branching Gtk would be
> the most logical thing for them.

Well, if the issue is simply that gtk 2.8 uses cairo, which has
functions that do not work on win98, then perhaps a potential solution
would be for win98 users to create their own inkscape package that uses
older gtk libraries, that *do* work on win98?

Presently, Inkscape itself requires only gtk 2.4.  I believe that the
windows version of Inkscape moved to later versions of gtk in order to
gain bug fixes for issues encountered on windows, so it is is possible
that by reverting to an earlier gtk, windows inkscape users would have
to endure those bugs, but perhaps that would be better than not having
inkscape at all?


Also, regarding the irritation of being told essentially, "Fix it
yourself," yes I know that's annoying.  However, realize that it is also
annoying for developers to receive bugs from windows users, create
fixes, then ask for a windows user to test and verify the fix and never
hear anything back.  I see many developers fixing bugs by just guessing
at what might be causing the problem, and then having to close them
without ever knowing if they really got fixed or not.  Just having
someone on Win98 to just test the bug fixes that developers do would be
a huge help.  I think part of the push to drop support for win98 is that
developers are irritated by never getting feedback on their fixes.

Now, I should add that there *are* a lot of users who are good at
giving feedback, particularly people on this list.  These users are
vital to our being able to support versions of Inkscape on platforms
other than Linux.  We just need more good people like this.

Now, while in the past I think we could have gotten by with just having
some windows users to give feedback to the developers like that, today I
think it's gotten to the point where we really need to have some
dedicated people doing development (bug fixing at least) on Windows.


For this particular problem with gtk and Inkscape, it sort of sounds
like there may be solutions that could be achieved without needing to
resort to coding.  It could simply be a matter of experimenting with
different dlls, and then producing a zip file package of those dlls.
This is definitely something that a non-coder could do, although it
would require some technical skill and time to test it out thoroughly.

Bryce

Re: [Inkscape-devel] Re: Win98 Support sopped -or so (FW: (gtk) bug and win98)

[Nicu Buculei <nicu@ap...>]

Taraben, Adib wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> according this bug that bulia mentionen I wrote to the gtk mailing list 
> and got so far 1 answer through the mailing list.
> 
> Pls. read that they state Win98 as a "obsolte os where apperantly no 
> developer is interested anymore."
> I dont know wether this is the voice of the whole gtk devel group or 
> yust this one person.

It sounds about the same as the arguments made by Tor Lillqvist when 
stopped supporting GIMP for Win9x (one or two years ago), but I believe 
he also added "buggy"

> So what is our plan ?

-- 
nicu

Re: [Inkscape-devel] win98 to be dropped?

[Alexandre Prokoudine <alexandre.prokoudine@gm...>]

On 10/4/05, herve couvelard <herve.couvelard@...> wrote:

> ps : will gtkmm will work on win98 ? or red hat 9 ?

Is this what you're after?

dag.wieers.com/packages/gtkmm2/

It took me a single miserable minute to find it :)

Alexandre

Re: [Inkscape-devel] win98 to be dropped?

[Bryce Harrington <bryce@br...>]

On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 10:23:04AM +0200, herve couvelard wrote:
> 
> >Except in this case, win9* users have it entirely in their power to 
> >control this, in that they can participate in providing that support.
> >Indeed, Inkscape can *only* feasibly support a given platform if it has
> >adequate participation by users of that platform.
> >
> >Bryce
> >
> 
> Do you mean that users will have the power to fix the GTK2.8 bug ?

Yes

> Don't you think that it's a not-my-problem answer ?

I prefer to think of it as "where-there's-a-will-there's-a-way".

> I think that a similar way to improve inkscape much faster would be to 
> supply a todo list, with some hints to do it, and let the users develop 
> it. That way, with such a user base, in 2 months inkscape could achieve 
> a 1.0 goal. (one month for RFE and 1.0 RC1 and one month for bugs)

You can consider the bug tracker to be the todo list; simply search on
"WIN98", etc.  The wiki has many detailed hints on how to fix the
issues.  The necessary info is there, it simply requires people with the
will to put effort into fixing the issues.

Bug fixing actually is reasonably straightforward given some coding
experience and knowledge of gdb.  Half the battle is in reproducing the
bug, which really requires that you have a dev box set up with the OS in
question.  Given that, plus some elbow grease and advice from the
regular developers, the issues can usually be sorted out.  Many of the
bugs I've worked on have only taken an afternoon or two max to sort out,
and I imagine most of the windows bugs are similar.  The first couple
bugs would probably take a lot of work, but once you've got the hang of
it, many bugs would be within your grasp.

Maybe the issue is just that people with enough interest in computers to
be able to get into fixing inkscape bugs, would also have enough
interest to use a newer distro than win98.  So possibly this is too
challenging of a problem to solve...

Bryce

[Inkscape-devel] Re: i want to update the zh_cn po

[Ralf Stephan <ralf@ar...>]

You wrote 
> name:    sumomofan
> email:   sumomofan@...
> submitted the following:
> 
> i want to update the zh_cn po,but i can\'t use the cvs,please help me

Please upload your changes to the sourceforge patch tracker.

> BTW:i didn\'t find the interface to change the language in the inkscape

You must do this in your system. On Linux say
export LANGUAGE=zh_CN
then start inkscape


ralf

Re: [Inkscape-devel] win98 to be dropped?

[Ralf Stephan <ralf@ar...>]

bryce:
> > but as disturbing as it is, free software does the same thing, force 
> > users to upgrade their Windows version.
> 
> Except in this case, win9* users have it entirely in their power to 
> control this, in that they can participate in providing that support.
> Indeed, Inkscape can *only* feasibly support a given platform if it has
> adequate participation by users of that platform.

That's why the release note's apology should include the
bugzilla link, instead of only frustrating users. If there
are many really active Win9* users, branching Gtk would be
the most logical thing for them.


ralf

Re: [Inkscape-devel] win98 to be dropped?

[herve couvelard <herve.couvelard@wa...>]

> Herv=E9,
>=20
> I dont't really think that raising tone will help us solve the issue.
> Gtk bugs should be addressed by Gtk developers.
>=20
of course it should. And i didn't raise tone, i just follow the road=20
shown by Bryce.

The bryce answer was quite irritating (not a wrong answer, but a bad=20
answer). When free software stop supporting  win98, they give guns to=20
microsoft.

I haven't C skills so i can't help and no free space on my only windows=20
is a win98-500 Mo only.

I can't use inkscape above 0.38 on my redhat 9.0 because of GTK2.

Ok, i should upgrade, perhaps.

Herv=E9

ps : will gtkmm will work on win98 ? or red hat 9 ?

RE: [Inkscape-devel] win98 to be dropped?

[Taraben, Adib <taraben.a@wi...>]

Bob,

if you guide me what to do. I have no experience with this gtk stuff.

Adib.

-----Original Message-----
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> --
> bulia byak
> Inkscape. Draw Freely.
> http://www.inkscape.org
>
>  =20

Bulia,

It saddens me, too.  What we need is some guy who has Win98, and enough =
disk
space to set up the Mingw environment to build and test.  Is there=20
nobody out there?

Please be patient with us.  We are on your side, dude.  You are the best =

GUI programmer
on the planet, and the heart and soul of this project.



Bob




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Re: [Inkscape-devel] win98 to be dropped?

[Alexandre Prokoudine <alexandre.prokoudine@gm...>]

On 10/4/05, herve couvelard <herve.couvelard@...> wrote:

> Do you mean that users will have the power to fix the GTK2.8 bug ?
> Do you mean that some users should fork gtk ?
>
> Don't you think that it's a not-my-problem answer ?
>
> Of course they have the source to do it. SO ?
>
> I think that a similar way to improve inkscape much faster would be to
> supply a todo list, with some hints to do it, and let the users develop
> it. That way, with such a user base, in 2 months inkscape could achieve
> a 1.0 goal. (one month for RFE and 1.0 RC1 and one month for bugs)
>
> don't they have the source to do it ?

Herv=E9,

I dont't really think that raising tone will help us solve the issue.
Gtk bugs should be addressed by Gtk developers.

Alexandre