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From: <ho...@mi...> - 2004-08-08 14:16:01
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On Sun, 8 Aug 2004, Rocco Caputo wrote: > I hate doing this, but I haven't found another way. > > How do I change my subscription address on this list? > > My e-mail address changed several months ago, but I haven't found a > way to change it in the list. Neither metronomicon.com nor the > mailing list messages include instructions, and the various standard > listserv commands and addresses haven't worked. I believe it's Majordomo, not Listserv - so you send commands in the body of the text, not the subject. So to subscribe send a mail to maj...@me... (at a guess) with this in the body: subscribe infobot-dev To unsubscribe send: unsubscribe infobot-dev from the address you wish to unsub. If you don't have access to send from that address anymore, send unsubscribe infobot-dev <email address> and pray that a listadmin receives and responds to the mail there. Note I don't run the list, so I'm guessing. --- With regard to archiving, no-one responded with what they'd like me to do with the infobot archive. Seems to me the list is forking even if the project isn't - I see mails from metronomicon that respond to messages I haven't seen, which are presumably going to the sourceforge list only, and replies going to both. Tim, if this is so can you let me know what you decide please (presuming you're now in charge and no response from Kevin has come)? The archive's getting in a muddle with two sometimes-unsyncronised lists and part double-posting. Status as per my last message to this list :) |
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From: David A. D. <ha...@gn...> - 2004-08-08 16:18:24
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> SF has added searching of email lists since I last looked. They will also > import old email archives. Do you have mbox format archives for the list? > I'll work towards getting the complete archives up on SF. Then I'll feel > more comfortable actually moving to the new list. Let's live with the > current dual list mess for a few more days. Sound ok? My main beef with the way SF manages their mailing lists, is that they don't provide a way to download the list archives for a certain month or for a full period. They're using this hacked-up Mailman interface in an effort to simply get users to subscribe, but they don't really provide any useful mailing list tools that go with that Mailman instance. I've been complaining about this to them for about 3 years, and they don't seem to want to change it. If the lists move to SF.net exclusively, I think I'll be joining the ranks of those who unsubscribe as well. It just isn't a useful environment anymore... they keep crippling things. The other thing, which you mention, and I still can't find.. is the ability to search the lists using rich sets of keywords, regexen, and boolean targets. This is a huge crippling chasm in their infrastructure (and also one thing I've been ranting about for years with them). They've just recently added Yahoo! search, but it doesn't really work as well as some of the other generic search algorithms I've seen and used personally. Just my 0.02 euros on the matter. d. |
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From: <ho...@mi...> - 2005-04-16 18:37:19
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So, what happened to all this? As I understand it, Tim took over project leadership for infobot from Kevin last August, but I don't see any activity since then. We moved into a situation where the community half loved on its old mailing list (this one) and half on sf.net. Then I didn't hear anything more, unless I'm missing activity somewhere. It's really dead this time? On Sun, 8 Aug 2004, Tim Riker wrote: > I've talked to Kevin briefly, but we did not talk about the email lists yet. I'll ping him again about that. > > SF has added searching of email lists since I last looked. They will also import old email archives. Do you have mbox format archives for the list? I'll work towards getting the complete archives up on SF. Then I'll feel more comfortable actually moving to the new list. Let's live with the current dual list mess for a few more days. Sound ok? |
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From: Tim R. <Ti...@Ri...> - 2005-04-16 21:00:25
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I've done some very minor commits in the CVS tree on SF. I've tried a few times to contact lenzo again, but without success. I'd like to move the old list over to the new one, and move [www.]infobot.org over to point to SF. Then the plan is to start collecting useful bits from the infobot forks and make a merged useful bot. As I never heard back from lenzo again, the flooterbuck folks seem to be anti-SF, and the blootbot project is progressing by itself, I've not made any progress on starting a merge. I've been working on blootbot in the mean time. How many folks on the list still use the original infobot codebase? How many would use it if it became active again? Personally, I like having an SQL back end. I use SQLite so that it's still just a local file. SQLite is still a big step up from db files. -- Tim Riker - http://rikers.org/ - Ti...@De... Embedded Linux Technologist BZFlag maintainer - http://BZFlag.org/ - for fun! |
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From: <ho...@mi...> - 2005-04-16 22:41:16
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On Sat, 16 Apr 2005, Tim Riker wrote: > I'd like to move the old list over to the new one, and move > [www.]infobot.org over to point to SF. OK. I provided the original project with the mail archive (not the list itself), as linked from www.infobot.org. If the project does take off again, can someone tell me whether they want it to continue, etc.? It's a bit more searchable/usable than sf.net archive but... *shrug*. But you have access to www.infobot.org to change it? I see it's still registered to Kevin as a domain until December 2006. > How many folks on the list still use the original infobot codebase? Me. > How many would use it if it became active again? Probably me, if it didn't change radically in functionality. > Personally, I like having an SQL back end. I use SQLite so that it's > still just a local file. SQLite is still a big step up from db files. Personally, I'd definitely *not* like it to depend on an SQL backend. I like its simplicity, and many people will want to run this from a shell account where they don't have root access, or access to an SQL db. I like it to be runnable from a single directory - that was always the attraction. |
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From: William S. L. I. <vla...@gm...> - 2005-04-17 02:31:16
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I still use it, and would like to keep using it. I'm sql agnostic, but since I have MySQL setup on all of my servers, I'd like to see it be able to use that as well... -----Original Message----- From: inf...@li... [mailto:inf...@li...] On Behalf Of Tim Riker Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 3:59 PM To: ho...@mi... Cc: inf...@me...; inf...@li... Subject: Re: [infobot] unsubscribing? I've done some very minor commits in the CVS tree on SF. I've tried a few times to contact lenzo again, but without success. I'd like to move the old list over to the new one, and move [www.]infobot.org over to point to SF. Then the plan is to start collecting useful bits from the infobot forks and make a merged useful bot. As I never heard back from lenzo again, the flooterbuck folks seem to be anti-SF, and the blootbot project is progressing by itself, I've not made any progress on starting a merge. I've been working on blootbot in the mean time. How many folks on the list still use the original infobot codebase? How many would use it if it became active again? Personally, I like having an SQL back end. I use SQLite so that it's still just a local file. SQLite is still a big step up from db files. -- Tim Riker - http://rikers.org/ - Ti...@De... Embedded Linux Technologist BZFlag maintainer - http://BZFlag.org/ - for fun! ------------------------------------------------------- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click _______________________________________________ Infobot-devel mailing list Inf...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/infobot-devel Support in #botpark on irc.freenode.net |
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From: David C. <da...@ca...> - 2005-04-17 20:30:30
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Tim Riker wrote: > How many folks on the list still use the original infobot codebase? I do, although with some additions. The main difference between mine and 0.45.3 is my "karma comments" patch, available on my web site at http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/tech/ -- David Cantrell | Official London Perl Mongers Bad Influence Sobol's Law of Telecom Utilities: Telcos are malicious; cablecos are simply clueless. |
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From: Tim R. <Ti...@Ri...> - 2005-04-18 14:21:00
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Care to elaborate on the comparison? Also have you looked at blootbot as well or just flooterbuck? Michael H. Collins wrote: > ho...@mi... wrote: > >> So, what happened to all this? As I understand it, Tim took over >> project leadership for infobot from Kevin last August, but I don't >> see any activity since then. We moved into a situation where the >> community half loved on its old mailing list (this one) and half on >> sf.net. Then I didn't hear anything more, unless I'm missing >> activity somewhere. It's really dead this time? > > > Dunno but I have been comparing infobot and flooterbuck and have begun > using flooterbuck almost exclusivly > > > > -- Tim Riker - http://rikers.org/ - Ti...@De... Embedded Linux Technologist BZFlag maintainer - http://BZFlag.org/ - for fun! |
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From: Michael H. C. <mi...@li...> - 2005-04-18 14:48:58
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Tim Riker wrote: > Care to elaborate on the comparison? Also have you looked at blootbot as > well or just flooterbuck? I looked at blootbot only briefly. I am not a coder and barely a hacker. The comparison went like this. Set up infobot and run it. Time it till it goes belly up. repeat. Do same for flooterbuck. Which one runs longest before it dies? Use that one. Also some times when infobot dies it hoses some of the dbs and that funcionality dissapears. flooterbuck seems much less prone to this. > > Michael H. Collins wrote: > >>ho...@mi... wrote: >> >> >>>So, what happened to all this? As I understand it, Tim took over >>>project leadership for infobot from Kevin last August, but I don't >>>see any activity since then. We moved into a situation where the >>>community half loved on its old mailing list (this one) and half on >>>sf.net. Then I didn't hear anything more, unless I'm missing >>>activity somewhere. It's really dead this time? >> >> >>Dunno but I have been comparing infobot and flooterbuck and have begun >>using flooterbuck almost exclusivly >> >> >> >> > > > -- Michael H. Collins Admiral, Penguinista Navy http://linuxlink.com /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign \ / No HTML/RTF in email x No Word docs in email / \ Respect for open standards In a related story, the IRS has recently ruled that the cost of Windows upgrades can NOT be deducted as a gambling loss. |
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From: James O'K. <jo...@mi...> - 2005-04-18 15:39:46
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If someone is going to be compiling a list of bot comparisons, add Knab to the list. http://sourceforge.net/projects/knab I picked Knab because it was easy to extend. I've added a module to it so that it's available via AIM as well as IRC. In addition, I was able to replace the source of factoid from SQL to something else. I've submitted a patch with some of these changes back to the author, but I don't think he's put them into a released version yet. -james |
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From: Rocco C. <rc...@po...> - 2005-04-18 16:55:24
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On Mon, Apr 18, 2005 at 11:38:15AM -0400, James O'Kane wrote: > If someone is going to be compiling a list of bot comparisons, add Knab to > the list. http://sourceforge.net/projects/knab Since the can is open, you may as well consider perl-fu also. It's not an offshoot of infobot, but it replicates many of infobot's features. http://android18.slim.summitmedia.co.uk/perl-fu2.html If POE::Component::IRC is part of infobot's future versions, you should be aware that its current maintainer is working on a plugin framework to be included with it. One True Plugin Framework might help unify various bot initiatives. You may consider discussing how infobot/blootbot/flooterbuck work with plugins so P::C::I does the right thing out of the box. -- Rocco Caputo - http://poe.perl.org/ |
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From: Corwin B. <co...@mp...> - 2005-04-18 22:22:11
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Rocco Caputo wrote: >On Mon, Apr 18, 2005 at 11:38:15AM -0400, James O'Kane wrote: > > >>If someone is going to be compiling a list of bot comparisons, add Knab to >>the list. http://sourceforge.net/projects/knab >> >> > >Since the can is open, you may as well consider perl-fu also. It's >not an offshoot of infobot, but it replicates many of infobot's >features. http://android18.slim.summitmedia.co.uk/perl-fu2.html > > The canonical location for perl-fu is http://perlfu.jinzougen.org Jinzougen and I have been working on a new major version, which should be out RSN. There's also one more release of the 2.x series which isn't up yet, but should be which contains a few performance fixes and new new plugins, most of which just express more of infobot's functionality and is exactly what irc://efnet.net/#perlhelp is currently running. >If POE::Component::IRC is part of infobot's future versions, you >should be aware that its current maintainer is working on a plugin >framework to be included with it. One True Plugin Framework might >help unify various bot initiatives. You may consider discussing how >infobot/blootbot/flooterbuck work with plugins so P::C::I does the >right thing out of the box. > > The new 3.x version of perl-fu is totally plugin driven, including the factiod engine. FWIW, I'd love to see a version of Infobot which was plugin compatible with perl-fu. Not sure if that could be in the cards, but I'd love to see it. The (extra) complication is that perl-fu isn't tied to P::C::I; it abstracts messages there from into a generic message class instances of which are what plugins' event handlers actually receive. I'd be happy to mess with the perl-fu guts in order to support an generic plugin mechanism, but I wouldn't want to loose the ability to have the same Plugin respond to messages regardless of originating service. |
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From: Rocco C. <rc...@po...> - 2005-04-19 00:47:01
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On Mon, Apr 18, 2005 at 05:29:20PM -0500, Corwin Brust wrote: > Rocco Caputo wrote: > > > http://android18.slim.summitmedia.co.uk/perl-fu2.html > > > The canonical location for perl-fu is http://perlfu.jinzougen.org That's not what google says! :) > The new 3.x version of perl-fu is totally plugin driven, including the > factiod engine. FWIW, I'd love to see a version of Infobot which was > plugin compatible with perl-fu. Not sure if that could be in the cards, > but I'd love to see it. The (extra) complication is that perl-fu isn't > tied to P::C::I; it abstracts messages there from into a generic message > class instances of which are what plugins' event handlers actually > receive. I'd be happy to mess with the perl-fu guts in order to support > an generic plugin mechanism, but I wouldn't want to loose the ability to > have the same Plugin respond to messages regardless of originating service. My experimental workbench bot uses abstract messages, so I understand their benefit. Perl-fu 3 sounds dreamy in that regard, and I'm looking forward to kicking its tires. You should definitely catch BinGOs and bend his ear about plugins and messages before he releases something. -- Rocco Caputo - http://poe.perl.org/ |
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From: <ho...@mi...> - 2005-04-18 14:27:03
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On Mon, 18 Apr 2005, Michael H. Collins wrote: > Dunno but I have been comparing infobot and flooterbuck and have begun using > flooterbuck almost exclusivly Michael - can you briefly explain why? What's it got that infobot hasn't? Does it preserve all infobot's functionality? It certainly looks a bit more active, but latest release is still over a year ago... |
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From: Michael H. C. <mi...@li...> - 2005-04-18 14:56:53
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ho...@mi... wrote: > On Mon, 18 Apr 2005, Michael H. Collins wrote: > >> Dunno but I have been comparing infobot and flooterbuck and have begun >> using flooterbuck almost exclusivly > > > Michael - can you briefly explain why? What's it got that infobot > hasn't? Does it preserve all infobot's functionality? It certainly > looks a bit more active, but latest release is still over a year > ago... Yes. I am frustrated with devel on all the infobots. Not being a coder about all I can do is run em and report bugs. Flooterbuck has a few modules thrown in that infobot does not come with unless I am missing something. my best one is running on irc.taphouse.org #subgenius and his name is bobot -- Michael H. Collins Admiral, Penguinista Navy http://linuxlink.com /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign \ / No HTML/RTF in email x No Word docs in email / \ Respect for open standards In a related story, the IRS has recently ruled that the cost of Windows upgrades can NOT be deducted as a gambling loss. |
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From: Charles J. <bl...@ho...> - 2005-04-21 20:20:55
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I'm using Perl-Fu v2.0 http://android18.slim.summitmedia.co.uk/perl-fu2.html >From: "Michael H. Collins" <mi...@li...> >To: ho...@mi... >CC: inf...@me..., inf...@li... >Subject: Re: [infobot] unsubscribing? >Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 09:47:44 -0500 > >ho...@mi... wrote: >>On Mon, 18 Apr 2005, Michael H. Collins wrote: >> >>>Dunno but I have been comparing infobot and flooterbuck and have begun >>>using flooterbuck almost exclusivly >> >> >>Michael - can you briefly explain why? What's it got that infobot >>hasn't? Does it preserve all infobot's functionality? It certainly >>looks a bit more active, but latest release is still over a year >>ago... > >Yes. I am frustrated with devel on all the infobots. Not being a coder >about all I can do is run em and report bugs. > >Flooterbuck has a few modules thrown in that infobot does not come with >unless I am missing something. > >my best one is running on irc.taphouse.org #subgenius and his name is bobot > > > > > > >-- >Michael H. Collins Admiral, Penguinista Navy > >http://linuxlink.com > >/"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign >\ / No HTML/RTF in email > x No Word docs in email >/ \ Respect for open standards > >In a related story, the IRS has recently ruled that >the cost of Windows upgrades can NOT be deducted >as a gambling loss. > |
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From: Tim R. <Ti...@Ri...> - 2005-04-17 00:02:29
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ho...@mi... wrote: > On Sat, 16 Apr 2005, Tim Riker wrote: > >> I'd like to move the old list over to the new one, and move >> [www.]infobot.org over to point to SF. > > OK. I provided the original project with the mail archive (not the > list itself), as linked from www.infobot.org. If the project does take > off again, can someone tell me whether they want it to continue, etc.? > It's a bit more searchable/usable than sf.net archive but... *shrug*. Well, at the moment I still consider the old list the official one. I'll holler if that changes. I certainly appreciate the archive. Thanx! > But you have access to www.infobot.org to change it? I see it's > still registered to Kevin as a domain until December 2006. I was hoping lenzo would change it to point to SF. He can keep the registration. I'd be happy to take that over if he wishes, but I assume he'll want to keep it. >> How many folks on the list still use the original infobot codebase? > > Me. Interesting. Why not flooterbuck or blootbot? >> How many would use it if it became active again? > > Probably me, if it didn't change radically in functionality. > >> Personally, I like having an SQL back end. I use SQLite so that it's >> still just a local file. SQLite is still a big step up from db files. > > Personally, I'd definitely *not* like it to depend on an SQL backend. > I like its simplicity, and many people will want to run this from a > shell account where they don't have root access, or access to an SQL > db. I like it to be runnable from a single directory - that was > always the attraction. Exactly the reasons that I use SQLite. It is just a local file and no root level access is required. Unlike db files, it supports full SQL syntax. This adds a lot of power for searching the tables. This new power is _not_ available if all the code still has to work with db files. We kept db support in blootbot for a long time till the sqlite interface worked. Then we found no good reason to keep db support, and lots of reasons to use the power of SQL queries. -- Tim Riker - http://rikers.org/ - Ti...@De... Embedded Linux Technologist BZFlag maintainer - http://BZFlag.org/ - for fun! |
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From: David A. D. <ha...@gn...> - 2005-04-17 05:48:49
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> Well, at the moment I still consider the old list the official one. > I'll holler if that changes. I certainly appreciate the archive. > Thanx! Please please PLEASE do not switch the mailing list from what it is now, to that bastardized, broken, useless hacked-up Mailman that SF.net is using.. and here are a few: 1.) No way to modify subscription parameters (digest, et al) 2.) No way to see an entire month's posting, sorted by author, thread, or date. 3.) No mbox downloads, to search and read offline. Like most of the SF.net "services", they took a standard piece of software, crippled it, stripped out the useful features, and put it into production (cvs and mailman being the two largest ones I can think of at this point). David A. Desrosiers de...@gn... http://gnu-designs.com |
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From: <ho...@mi...> - 2005-04-17 14:04:40
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On Sat, 16 Apr 2005, Tim Riker wrote:
> Well, at the moment I still consider the old list the official one. I'll
> holler if that changes. I certainly appreciate the archive. Thanx!
Aw thanks :)
>>> How many folks on the list still use the original infobot codebase?
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>> Me.
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> Interesting. Why not flooterbuck or blootbot?
Truth be told, inertia. I hacked my infobot to do stuff I wanted as
well, and I'm not hacker, and it was gruesome, and certainly not
worth contributing back to the community. Silly stuff. I looked at
bloodbot once, and rejected it for some reason I can't remember, and
had never heard of flooterbuck until you mentioned it yesterday.
Yes, I haven't kept up. If someone somewhere could map out a brief
set of can's and can't's for each bot, and requirements for each, or
point to one that exists, that would be great. Presumably they don't
all have to same functionality else they wouldn't all exist? (I ask
naively, ignoring the fact the forks happen because of people, not
just needs)....
What I want from a bot is mostly silliness. Optional, not required
mode, and the ability to pick up 5 years of dross and repeat it back
to amusing effect. And realising that with some clever constructs you
can make it do knock-knock jokes without programming. And making it
impersonate Sean Connery when answering ("be sean"). I suspect I'm not
one of the most useful or serious contributors to the bot community.
Can I bounce the implication I'm assuming is behind your question back
at you then: if the bots all overlap in functionality and requirements,
why do you want to keep infobot going?
>>> Personally, I like having an SQL back end. I use SQLite so that it's
>>> still just a local file. SQLite is still a big step up from db files.
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> Exactly the reasons that I use SQLite. It is just a local file and no
> root level access is required.
Point taken re. SQLite. I suppose I'm iffy about it because I had to
change from SQLite to MySQL when my music player (amarok) kept
corrupting my SQLite database irretrievably when crashing. I'm sure
an app bug but...
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