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[Ids-devel] IDS Status

[Ashley M. K. <as...@pc...>]

    Hello folks,

    It's been a while since I posted anything, and it's about time I speak up.
As many of you may have noticed, I took over development of IDS from John
Moose.  A huge Thank You goes out to him for creating IDS in the first place.
I'm sure many of you are enjoying it.  Now onto other things.

    Life likes to throw us nasty curve balls sometimes.  And I'm afraid I've
caught one in the past several months.  After some 20+ years of working behind
computers, I now have what can be considered the beginnings of Repetitive
Strain Injury (RSI) which is causing me severe pain in both wrists which
consequently cuts down on the time I spend behind the screen.  Quite honestly
my workflow has gone from my usual 16 to 18 hours a day, to a mere 8, sometimes
a lot less.  This severely impacts what I can do on IDS, unfortunately.  I
would still like to continue the development of IDS, however it's now going at
a much, MUCH, slower pace than I originally had hoped for.

    Having said that, I'm hoping everyone here understands why there isn't much
going on in terms of development.  I am still answering to bug issues (and yes,
I am aware of a search problem with .82 right, and I have the solution, I just
haven't had a chance to check in a new tar ball yet), however I may take a
while to reply to general e-mail.  I'm sorry for this - can anyone make me some
robotic hands?  Fast, sleek, five fingers, opposable thumbs, and able to
perform just as well?  No?  Darnit.

    What I'm looking for at the moment: people willing to help.  As I cope with
my injury, I may not be able to get to a fix and/or patch as fast as I would
like to (or as fast as other people would like to), so I'm looking for someone
who's willing to step into the hot box with me and actively help out.  I may
even choose more than one person (however having too many is not a good thing
either, unless I start designating parts of IDS to specific teams of people,
and there is no need for that yet.)

    Do you feel up to the task?  Do you want to contribute to an exciting
project?  Are you willing to dedicate a small portion of your time to help a
cripple?  (ok, that was low... <grin>)  If so, please let me know.  It would
help if you're already on SourceForge, I will certainly put those candidate
first, however I will consider everyone who replies (even John himself. <grin>
)

    For the time being, I would like to thank everyone who has e-mailed me with
their patches for the various bugs they've found.  Thank you to everyone for
their suggestions and other comments.  Let's not forget those silent ones as
well, everyone in general, Thank You!

    AMK4  <am...@us...>

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[Ids-devel] IDS Status

[Ashley M. K. <as...@pc...>]

    ...or lack thereof.

    Hello folks, and a (belated) Merry Christmas to you all.  As many of 
you noticed, I've been off the face of the planet for several months. 
 With after finding out I needed surgery on my wrists/hands and all, it 
became a serious matter for me not to stay around keyboards for very 
long periods of time.  Well, I'm back.  Not full force, and certainly 
not to start fending off everything thrown at me.  So, a few things are 
in order here:

    - IDS 0.8x Development has been put on hold since several months ago 
(in fact, it's been frozen on my end).  I managed to help a few souls 
out individually with the search problem (I forgot a \  (back slash) 
somewhere in the code), but that was the extend of what I did.
    - IDS 2.x has also been put on hold and I'll be very surprised if I 
can even pick up where I last left off.
    - A HUGE Thank You to everyone who managed to help others in my absence.
    - An even bigger Thank You goes out to Piet Barber for creating RPMs 
for Red Hat 8.0, although I would like to see that back ported to Red 
Hat 7.3 as well since that platform is still widely used.

    A couple of things are on my plate right now, but I'd like to gather 
up some volunteers:

    - Source Forge CVS - read below though  [1]
    - Multi Platform porting (we can use SF's compile farm for that)
    - A redesign of the IDS web page, adding Piet's RPMs to the list of 
files.  (Piet, if you send me your files, I can upload them to SF, or if 
you'd like to volunteer, I will give you access to our site.)
    - Forward thinking / brainstorming of the current code
    - Forward thinking / brainstorming for the 2.x code (which was to be 
built for mod_perl - however I'm leaving this open for debate)
    - A total rewrite is in order for v2.x anyway, so whether we use 
mod_perl, or something else, this is the time to speak up.
    - Multi user (this is a finicky situation)  [2]
    - Modular coding: my idea here is to allow others to be able to 
create additional modules for IDS (file formats, online services hooks - 
such as ShutterFly)
    - Someone once sent me an email a long time ago, asking we we don't 
create our own ordering system, for online delivery of copyrighted 
materials.  This would imply creating something with an online account 
transaction merchant (a credit card service).  So we could create 
different modules to work with that, say one for PayPal, one for 
Authorize.NET, VeriSign, etc., etc.  I don't want this to be part of the 
mainstream program, but more of an addition.
    - An online card system (eCards)
    - There are so many ideas that I've received...I want to brainstorm.

    Then there was today's question regarding ShutterFly - as far as I 
know, no one is getting a kickback.  But that's also mainly because it 
was never considered to be a real option.  I mean, how many of you 
really use ShutterFly?

    [1]  Regarding the CVS.  Seeing that I have the last release here, 
and don't have many of the improvements/additions that many of you have 
added over the course of the past months, I want to update my sources 
first before uploading to CVS.  So, send in your patches please.

    [2] Over the course of time I've heard several people have something 
to say about multi-user capability.  For the most part, people like to 
keep IDS the way it is, single user.  Retain it's "personal" touch. 
 Then there are others who would love to be able to roll it out as a 
multi-user application.  Again, this part breaks down into two sides: 
those who wish to roll it out for an ISP environment (multiple users, 
single logins for each site), and those who wish to have multiple logins 
on one single instance of the application.  The latter leaves the door 
open for one person to have multiple members log in to their site and 
upload/change stuff, where the first one allows for several users to 
have their own album site, all running off of one installation. 
 Frankly, I want to see both capabilities rolled in, with a choice 
during installation.  But, that's me.

    Okay, I've said enough for right now.  Volunteers, please stand up 
and be heard.

-- 
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  +--------------------------------------------------------------------
  Ashley M. Kirchner <mailto:as...@pc...>   .   303.442.6410 x130
  IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.

Re: [Ids-devel] IDS Status

[Adam C. <do...@sh...>]

Hello,

With the multi-user stuff, I'd like to see the ability to make things
available to authenticated users that are not available to
non-authenticated users.  For example, If I sign in, I would like to see a
some personal albums, and the option to order via shutterfly, but if I am
an anonymouse user, I dont get the shutterfly button, and some albums are
not available.  This could also be extended to comments and other such
items.  And of course, configurable per user/group in the admin interface.
And of course it should have the option to be cookie based so you do not
need to sign in every time you re-boot.

My coding skills are not outstanding, but I'd certinaly be willing to give
it a go.

As for the shutterfly comment, I use it a great deal.  I post all my
images and then mail my family when they are available.  The people that
want something better than what their printer outputs orders the images
this way.

-Adam

ps, my IDS install is viewable at http://albums.shroom.com/


On Fri, 27 Dec 2002, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:

  | Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 13:45:54 -0700
  | From: Ashley M. Kirchner <as...@pc...>
  | To: IDS Mailing List <ids...@li...>
  | Subject: [Ids-devel] IDS Status
  |
  |
  |     ...or lack thereof.
  |
  |     Hello folks, and a (belated) Merry Christmas to you all.  As many of
  | you noticed, I've been off the face of the planet for several months.
  |  With after finding out I needed surgery on my wrists/hands and all, it
  | became a serious matter for me not to stay around keyboards for very
  | long periods of time.  Well, I'm back.  Not full force, and certainly
  | not to start fending off everything thrown at me.  So, a few things are
  | in order here:
  |
  |     - IDS 0.8x Development has been put on hold since several months ago
  | (in fact, it's been frozen on my end).  I managed to help a few souls
  | out individually with the search problem (I forgot a \  (back slash)
  | somewhere in the code), but that was the extend of what I did.
  |     - IDS 2.x has also been put on hold and I'll be very surprised if I
  | can even pick up where I last left off.
  |     - A HUGE Thank You to everyone who managed to help others in my absence.
  |     - An even bigger Thank You goes out to Piet Barber for creating RPMs
  | for Red Hat 8.0, although I would like to see that back ported to Red
  | Hat 7.3 as well since that platform is still widely used.
  |
  |     A couple of things are on my plate right now, but I'd like to gather
  | up some volunteers:
  |
  |     - Source Forge CVS - read below though  [1]
  |     - Multi Platform porting (we can use SF's compile farm for that)
  |     - A redesign of the IDS web page, adding Piet's RPMs to the list of
  | files.  (Piet, if you send me your files, I can upload them to SF, or if
  | you'd like to volunteer, I will give you access to our site.)
  |     - Forward thinking / brainstorming of the current code
  |     - Forward thinking / brainstorming for the 2.x code (which was to be
  | built for mod_perl - however I'm leaving this open for debate)
  |     - A total rewrite is in order for v2.x anyway, so whether we use
  | mod_perl, or something else, this is the time to speak up.
  |     - Multi user (this is a finicky situation)  [2]
  |     - Modular coding: my idea here is to allow others to be able to
  | create additional modules for IDS (file formats, online services hooks -
  | such as ShutterFly)
  |     - Someone once sent me an email a long time ago, asking we we don't
  | create our own ordering system, for online delivery of copyrighted
  | materials.  This would imply creating something with an online account
  | transaction merchant (a credit card service).  So we could create
  | different modules to work with that, say one for PayPal, one for
  | Authorize.NET, VeriSign, etc., etc.  I don't want this to be part of the
  | mainstream program, but more of an addition.
  |     - An online card system (eCards)
  |     - There are so many ideas that I've received...I want to brainstorm.
  |
  |     Then there was today's question regarding ShutterFly - as far as I
  | know, no one is getting a kickback.  But that's also mainly because it
  | was never considered to be a real option.  I mean, how many of you
  | really use ShutterFly?
  |
  |     [1]  Regarding the CVS.  Seeing that I have the last release here,
  | and don't have many of the improvements/additions that many of you have
  | added over the course of the past months, I want to update my sources
  | first before uploading to CVS.  So, send in your patches please.
  |
  |     [2] Over the course of time I've heard several people have something
  | to say about multi-user capability.  For the most part, people like to
  | keep IDS the way it is, single user.  Retain it's "personal" touch.
  |  Then there are others who would love to be able to roll it out as a
  | multi-user application.  Again, this part breaks down into two sides:
  | those who wish to roll it out for an ISP environment (multiple users,
  | single logins for each site), and those who wish to have multiple logins
  | on one single instance of the application.  The latter leaves the door
  | open for one person to have multiple members log in to their site and
  | upload/change stuff, where the first one allows for several users to
  | have their own album site, all running off of one installation.
  |  Frankly, I want to see both capabilities rolled in, with a choice
  | during installation.  But, that's me.
  |
  |     Okay, I've said enough for right now.  Volunteers, please stand up
  | and be heard.
  |
  |

Re: [ids-devel@deadtrout.com] Re: [Ids-devel] IDS Status

[Terry E. <te...@ap...>]

I took a run at this and it turned out to be a major headache.  Then again,
my perl sucks these days.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adam Crews" <do...@sh...>
To: "Ashley M. Kirchner" <as...@pc...>
Cc: "IDS Mailing List" <ids...@li...>
Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 2:09 PM
Subject: [ids...@de...] Re: [Ids-devel] IDS Status


> Hello,
>
> With the multi-user stuff, I'd like to see the ability to make things
> available to authenticated users that are not available to
> non-authenticated users.  For example, If I sign in, I would like to see a
> some personal albums, and the option to order via shutterfly, but if I am
> an anonymouse user, I dont get the shutterfly button, and some albums are
> not available.  This could also be extended to comments and other such
> items.  And of course, configurable per user/group in the admin interface.
> And of course it should have the option to be cookie based so you do not
> need to sign in every time you re-boot.
>
> My coding skills are not outstanding, but I'd certinaly be willing to give
> it a go.
>
> As for the shutterfly comment, I use it a great deal.  I post all my
> images and then mail my family when they are available.  The people that
> want something better than what their printer outputs orders the images
> this way.
>
> -Adam
>
> ps, my IDS install is viewable at http://albums.shroom.com/
>
>
> On Fri, 27 Dec 2002, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:
>
>   | Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 13:45:54 -0700
>   | From: Ashley M. Kirchner <as...@pc...>
>   | To: IDS Mailing List <ids...@li...>
>   | Subject: [Ids-devel] IDS Status
>   |
>   |
>   |     ...or lack thereof.
>   |
>   |     Hello folks, and a (belated) Merry Christmas to you all.  As many
of
>   | you noticed, I've been off the face of the planet for several months.
>   |  With after finding out I needed surgery on my wrists/hands and all,
it
>   | became a serious matter for me not to stay around keyboards for very
>   | long periods of time.  Well, I'm back.  Not full force, and certainly
>   | not to start fending off everything thrown at me.  So, a few things
are
>   | in order here:
>   |
>   |     - IDS 0.8x Development has been put on hold since several months
ago
>   | (in fact, it's been frozen on my end).  I managed to help a few souls
>   | out individually with the search problem (I forgot a \  (back slash)
>   | somewhere in the code), but that was the extend of what I did.
>   |     - IDS 2.x has also been put on hold and I'll be very surprised if
I
>   | can even pick up where I last left off.
>   |     - A HUGE Thank You to everyone who managed to help others in my
absence.
>   |     - An even bigger Thank You goes out to Piet Barber for creating
RPMs
>   | for Red Hat 8.0, although I would like to see that back ported to Red
>   | Hat 7.3 as well since that platform is still widely used.
>   |
>   |     A couple of things are on my plate right now, but I'd like to
gather
>   | up some volunteers:
>   |
>   |     - Source Forge CVS - read below though  [1]
>   |     - Multi Platform porting (we can use SF's compile farm for that)
>   |     - A redesign of the IDS web page, adding Piet's RPMs to the list
of
>   | files.  (Piet, if you send me your files, I can upload them to SF, or
if
>   | you'd like to volunteer, I will give you access to our site.)
>   |     - Forward thinking / brainstorming of the current code
>   |     - Forward thinking / brainstorming for the 2.x code (which was to
be
>   | built for mod_perl - however I'm leaving this open for debate)
>   |     - A total rewrite is in order for v2.x anyway, so whether we use
>   | mod_perl, or something else, this is the time to speak up.
>   |     - Multi user (this is a finicky situation)  [2]
>   |     - Modular coding: my idea here is to allow others to be able to
>   | create additional modules for IDS (file formats, online services
hooks -
>   | such as ShutterFly)
>   |     - Someone once sent me an email a long time ago, asking we we
don't
>   | create our own ordering system, for online delivery of copyrighted
>   | materials.  This would imply creating something with an online account
>   | transaction merchant (a credit card service).  So we could create
>   | different modules to work with that, say one for PayPal, one for
>   | Authorize.NET, VeriSign, etc., etc.  I don't want this to be part of
the
>   | mainstream program, but more of an addition.
>   |     - An online card system (eCards)
>   |     - There are so many ideas that I've received...I want to
brainstorm.
>   |
>   |     Then there was today's question regarding ShutterFly - as far as I
>   | know, no one is getting a kickback.  But that's also mainly because it
>   | was never considered to be a real option.  I mean, how many of you
>   | really use ShutterFly?
>   |
>   |     [1]  Regarding the CVS.  Seeing that I have the last release here,
>   | and don't have many of the improvements/additions that many of you
have
>   | added over the course of the past months, I want to update my sources
>   | first before uploading to CVS.  So, send in your patches please.
>   |
>   |     [2] Over the course of time I've heard several people have
something
>   | to say about multi-user capability.  For the most part, people like to
>   | keep IDS the way it is, single user.  Retain it's "personal" touch.
>   |  Then there are others who would love to be able to roll it out as a
>   | multi-user application.  Again, this part breaks down into two sides:
>   | those who wish to roll it out for an ISP environment (multiple users,
>   | single logins for each site), and those who wish to have multiple
logins
>   | on one single instance of the application.  The latter leaves the door
>   | open for one person to have multiple members log in to their site and
>   | upload/change stuff, where the first one allows for several users to
>   | have their own album site, all running off of one installation.
>   |  Frankly, I want to see both capabilities rolled in, with a choice
>   | during installation.  But, that's me.
>   |
>   |     Okay, I've said enough for right now.  Volunteers, please stand up
>   | and be heard.
>   |
>   |
>
>
>
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Re: [Ids-devel] IDS Status

[Jeff M. <jef...@vi...>]

On Fri, 2002-12-27 at 15:45, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:
>     ...or lack thereof.
> 
>     Hello folks, and a (belated) Merry Christmas to you all.  As many of 
> you noticed, I've been off the face of the planet for several months. 
>  With after finding out I needed surgery on my wrists/hands and all, it 
> became a serious matter for me not to stay around keyboards for very 
> long periods of time.  Well, I'm back.  Not full force, and certainly 
> not to start fending off everything thrown at me.

Welcome back.

<snip>

>     A couple of things are on my plate right now, but I'd like to gather 
> up some volunteers:
> 
>     - Source Forge CVS - read below though  [1]

I'd suggest putting what you have now (the current tar ball with broken
code) into CVS and then adding the patches that get it functional and
then release a 0.83.

>     - Multi Platform porting (we can use SF's compile farm for that)

It's written in Perl, what porting is needed?

>     - A redesign of the IDS web page, adding Piet's RPMs to the list of 
> files.  (Piet, if you send me your files, I can upload them to SF, or if 
> you'd like to volunteer, I will give you access to our site.)

Can't help here.

>     - Forward thinking / brainstorming of the current code
>     - Forward thinking / brainstorming for the 2.x code (which was to be 
> built for mod_perl - however I'm leaving this open for debate)
>     - A total rewrite is in order for v2.x anyway, so whether we use 
> mod_perl, or something else, this is the time to speak up.

Hmm... mod_perl can help improve the speed of perl applications, but I
don't think IDS would benefit from it much. It is probably better to
just code IDS so that it can run under Apache::Registry so the web
server will just use the embedded perl interperter.

As far as I can tell there are 2 areas to look at for optimizations:
1) Templates/Themes
2) Image thumbnails

For the themes perhaps using a templating package that cache's the
resulting template should be used. For image thumbnails make the
existance of previewmaker.pl better known, or have an option to run that
script via the admin screens. Perhaps using the mod_static module can
help but that locks IDS to Apache. So that's another decision to make.

>     - Multi user (this is a finicky situation)  [2]

Life would be easier if Multi-user was the only option. What I mean by
that is code for multi-user, but allow the admin set what can be done by
guests and registered users.

>     - Modular coding: my idea here is to allow others to be able to 
> create additional modules for IDS (file formats, online services hooks - 
> such as ShutterFly)

Yes, breaking index.cgi into smaller chunks is a good plan. But should
those chunks be cgi's or perl modules or a combo of both?

>     - Someone once sent me an email a long time ago, asking we we don't 
> create our own ordering system, for online delivery of copyrighted 
> materials.  This would imply creating something with an online account 
> transaction merchant (a credit card service).  So we could create 
> different modules to work with that, say one for PayPal, one for 
> Authorize.NET, VeriSign, etc., etc.  I don't want this to be part of the 
> mainstream program, but more of an addition.
>     - An online card system (eCards)
>     - There are so many ideas that I've received...I want to brainstorm.
> 

I would call that IDS Professional, where someone pays for those
features.

>     Then there was today's question regarding ShutterFly - as far as I 
> know, no one is getting a kickback.  But that's also mainly because it 
> was never considered to be a real option.  I mean, how many of you 
> really use ShutterFly?
> 

I do. I just read John's message. I was thinking why not get a kickback
to a IDS 'entity'. Funds would be payed to the current maintainer. But
that's another can of worms. Shutterfly also seems Linux friendly (I'm
about to check out their linux software).

<snip>

>     Okay, I've said enough for right now.  Volunteers, please stand up 
> and be heard.

Hopefully I've haven't bored you all! :-)

-- 
Jeff Macdonald <jef...@vi...>
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