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From: Marc G. <mg...@sk...> - 2006-07-19 18:44:32
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Hi Stef, HTML allows uppercase tags. Not XHTML. It could be that tidy has a bug about it or that the DTD is not well defined in your case. What means that the XHTML/HTML detection works differently for both program. I need a testcase to log such a bug in Tidy and to see if it is really a bug. Hope it helps, Marc Ps: Please read this: http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/preview_080.html Stef Nychka wrote: > > Hi, Marc. I really like your validator. It provides better > context, which w3c's does not (handy if the source has a > server side include, which screws up line numbers), and it > seems like the errors are much more descriptive (eg. & vs. > &). > > Thanx! > > I noticed one discrepancy, though. Your validator allows > <OL>, and likely all upper case tags, where as w3c's does > not (well, it requires <ol>, at least). > > The following's not important, likely, but just in case: > > - I downloaded yours from > > https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/249/ > (Windows version 0.793) > > I'm running it on Windows 2000, Firefox 1.5.0.4. I > don't believe I have any other Firefox "addons" > installed. > > - The w3c validator I'm using is at > > http://validator.w3.org/ > > - I haven't tested things out thoroughly, but am fairly > certain about the discrepancy. > > Cheers > |
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From: Marc G. <mg...@sk...> - 2006-07-25 06:42:32
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Hi Stef, Both algorithm are HTML/XHTML validator. - Tidy - SGML parser The problem is that both can contains bugs. I can not solve bugs without seeing them. I need a testcase to reproduce them. I think that the issue is that Tidy probably detect your page as HTML not XHTML. For the SGML parser = the same validator than validator.w3c.org that I am sure takes care of the uppercase tags or not. For Tidy, I am not sure. Marc Stef Nychka wrote: > ----------Original Message---------- > > >> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 20:44:19 +0200 >> From: Marc Gueury <mg...@sk...> >> To: Stef Nychka <st...@ug...> >> Cc: HTML Validator <htm...@li...> >> Subject: Re: validator, tag case >> >> Hi Stef, >> >> HTML allows uppercase tags. Not XHTML. It could be that >> tidy has a bug about it or that the DTD is not well >> defined in your case. What means that the XHTML/HTML >> detection works differently for both program. >> > > Yes, the document I was validating was XHTML 1.0. So it > sounds like you're saying that your validator only validates > HTML, not XHTML. Is this correct? > > >> I need a testcase to log such a bug in Tidy and to see if >> it is really a bug. >> >> > > The file is XHTML. Do you still want an XHTML document with > <ol> that your validator let's slide? (Note: I doubt it'll > be a problem, but there's a small possibility that I may not > be able to reproduce it.) > > >> Hope it helps, >> >> Marc >> >> Ps: Please read this: http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/preview_080.html >> >> > > I glanced at it, and noted that it's an HTML, not an XHTML > validator. Although it did say something about XHTML help. > Anway, was there something in particular you wanted me to > look at? Or were you saying this beta version may work > better? I wouldn't mind testing it out, at least on that > one file, although I'll likely stick with the stable version > for now. > > >> Stef Nychka wrote: >> > <snipped> > > Cheers > > |
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From: Stef N. <st...@ug...> - 2006-07-28 20:12:28
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----------Original Message---------- > Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 08:42:12 +0200 > From: Marc Gueury <mg...@sk...> > <snipped> > > The problem is that both can contains bugs. I can not > solve bugs without seeing them. I need a testcase to > reproduce them. <snipped> Hey. You can use http://ugweb.cs.ualberta.ca/~stef/index.shtml (The problem's at the first and only <OL>. The Tidy-based validator doesn't flag this as invalid, but http://validator.w3.org/ does.) I'm _assuming_ that taking a valid xhtml file and changing any tag to uppercase will result in a test case. Cheers -- Stef Nychka, Lab Instructor [st...@ug...] Office: Ath 2-04; Phone (49)2-5654 Dept. of Computing Science, University of Alberta |
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From: Stef N. <st...@ug...> - 2006-07-24 20:19:29
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----------Original Message---------- > Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 20:44:19 +0200 > From: Marc Gueury <mg...@sk...> > To: Stef Nychka <st...@ug...> > Cc: HTML Validator <htm...@li...> > Subject: Re: validator, tag case > > Hi Stef, > > HTML allows uppercase tags. Not XHTML. It could be that > tidy has a bug about it or that the DTD is not well > defined in your case. What means that the XHTML/HTML > detection works differently for both program. Yes, the document I was validating was XHTML 1.0. So it sounds like you're saying that your validator only validates HTML, not XHTML. Is this correct? > > I need a testcase to log such a bug in Tidy and to see if > it is really a bug. > The file is XHTML. Do you still want an XHTML document with <ol> that your validator let's slide? (Note: I doubt it'll be a problem, but there's a small possibility that I may not be able to reproduce it.) > Hope it helps, > > Marc > > Ps: Please read this: http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/preview_080.html > I glanced at it, and noted that it's an HTML, not an XHTML validator. Although it did say something about XHTML help. Anway, was there something in particular you wanted me to look at? Or were you saying this beta version may work better? I wouldn't mind testing it out, at least on that one file, although I'll likely stick with the stable version for now. > Stef Nychka wrote: >> <snipped> Cheers -- Stef Nychka, Lab Instructor [st...@ug...] Office: Ath 2-04; Phone (49)2-5654 Dept. of Computing Science, University of Alberta |
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From: Dave F. <dfr...@ho...> - 2006-07-28 02:40:59
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Hi: I am going to set up a VM to try and build your code. Can you tell me what version of mozilla you are compiling and what = compiler you are using - VC6 or VS2003 ? or better yet - is there a set of instructions you use to set up a = compile environment on XP -SP2 someplace on the web that you use ?? Thanks, Dave ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Marc Gueury=20 To: Stef Nychka=20 Cc: HTML Validator=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 2:42 AM Subject: Re: [Htmlvalidator-help] validator, tag case Hi Stef, Both algorithm are HTML/XHTML validator. - Tidy - SGML parser The problem is that both can contains bugs. I can not solve bugs = without seeing them. I need a testcase to reproduce them. I think that the issue is that = Tidy probably detect=20 your page as HTML not XHTML. For the SGML parser =3D the same validator than validator.w3c.org that = I am sure=20 takes care of the uppercase tags or not.=20 For Tidy, I am not sure. Marc Stef Nychka wrote:=20 ----------Original Message---------- Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 20:44:19 +0200 From: Marc Gueury <mg...@sk...> To: Stef Nychka <st...@ug...> Cc: HTML Validator <htm...@li...> Subject: Re: validator, tag case Hi Stef, HTML allows uppercase tags. Not XHTML. It could be that tidy has a bug about it or that the DTD is not well defined in your case. What means that the XHTML/HTML detection works differently for both program. =20 Yes, the document I was validating was XHTML 1.0. So it sounds like you're saying that your validator only validates HTML, not XHTML. Is this correct? I need a testcase to log such a bug in Tidy and to see if it is really a bug. =20 The file is XHTML. Do you still want an XHTML document with <ol> that your validator let's slide? (Note: I doubt it'll be a problem, but there's a small possibility that I may not be able to reproduce it.) Hope it helps, Marc Ps: Please read this: = http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/preview_080.html =20 I glanced at it, and noted that it's an HTML, not an XHTML validator. Although it did say something about XHTML help. Anway, was there something in particular you wanted me to look at? Or were you saying this beta version may work better? I wouldn't mind testing it out, at least on that one file, although I'll likely stick with the stable version for now. Stef Nychka wrote: <snipped> Cheers =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- = -------------------------------------------------------------------------= Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to = share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys -- and earn = cash = http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=3Djoin.php&p=3Dsourceforge&CID=3D= DEVDEV -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- _______________________________________________ Htmlvalidator-help mailing list Htm...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/htmlvalidator-help |
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From: Marc G. <mg...@sk...> - 2006-07-28 17:47:46
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Hi Dave, These instructions are not too bad for Mozilla. http://gemal.dk/mozilla/build.html I use Firefox 1.5 beta to build the code with VC6. I do not have VS2003. But the VC2005 is free and I will maybe use it one day. The compile instruction for the extension are here: http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/compile.html Marc Dave Frazzitta wrote: > Hi: > > I am going to set up a VM to try and build your code. > Can you tell me what version of mozilla you are compiling and what > compiler you are using - VC6 or VS2003 ? > or better yet - is there a set of instructions you use to set up a > compile environment on XP -SP2 someplace on the web that you use ?? > > Thanks, Dave > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Marc Gueury <mailto:mg...@sk...> > *To:* Stef Nychka <mailto:st...@ug...> > *Cc:* HTML Validator > <mailto:htm...@li...> > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 25, 2006 2:42 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Htmlvalidator-help] validator, tag case > > Hi Stef, > > Both algorithm are HTML/XHTML validator. > - Tidy > - SGML parser > > The problem is that both can contains bugs. I can not solve bugs > without seeing them. > I need a testcase to reproduce them. I think that the issue is > that Tidy probably detect > your page as HTML not XHTML. > > For the SGML parser = the same validator than validator.w3c.org > that I am sure > takes care of the uppercase tags or not. > For Tidy, I am not sure. > > Marc > > > Stef Nychka wrote: >> ----------Original Message---------- >> >> >>> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 20:44:19 +0200 >>> From: Marc Gueury <mg...@sk...> >>> To: Stef Nychka <st...@ug...> >>> Cc: HTML Validator <htm...@li...> >>> Subject: Re: validator, tag case >>> >>> Hi Stef, >>> >>> HTML allows uppercase tags. Not XHTML. It could be that >>> tidy has a bug about it or that the DTD is not well >>> defined in your case. What means that the XHTML/HTML >>> detection works differently for both program. >>> >> >> Yes, the document I was validating was XHTML 1.0. So it >> sounds like you're saying that your validator only validates >> HTML, not XHTML. Is this correct? >> >> >>> I need a testcase to log such a bug in Tidy and to see if >>> it is really a bug. >>> >>> >> >> The file is XHTML. Do you still want an XHTML document with >> <ol> that your validator let's slide? (Note: I doubt it'll >> be a problem, but there's a small possibility that I may not >> be able to reproduce it.) >> >> >>> Hope it helps, >>> >>> Marc >>> >>> Ps: Please read this: http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/preview_080.html >>> >>> >> >> I glanced at it, and noted that it's an HTML, not an XHTML >> validator. Although it did say something about XHTML help. >> Anway, was there something in particular you wanted me to >> look at? Or were you saying this beta version may work >> better? I wouldn't mind testing it out, at least on that >> one file, although I'll likely stick with the stable version >> for now. >> >> >>> Stef Nychka wrote: >>> >> <snipped> >> >> Cheers >> >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to > share your > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys -- and earn > cash > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > Htmlvalidator-help mailing list > Htm...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/htmlvalidator-help > |
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