html-template-users — Discussion of HTML::Template and related modules

Re: [htmltmpl] WebGUI - an HTML::Template CMS/app-server?

[Philip S T. <phi...@gm...>]

Sometime on Aug 9, Sam Tregar assembled some asciibets to say:

> I'd previously thought that Bricolage was the only CMS supporting
> HTML::Template (not including blogging tools).  Are there more out
> there?

Only just been released to the world: 
http://www.ncst.ernet.in/vidyakash/vasistha/demo/
description at
http://www.ncst.ernet.in/vidyakash/project-vasistha.shtml

Don't know if it qualifies as a complete CMS though.

Philip

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[htmltmpl] WebGUI - an HTML::Template CMS/app-server?

[Sam T. <sa...@tr...>]

Hey all.  Is there anyone on the list with experience using or
developing WebGUI (http://www.plainblack.com/webgui)?  The marketing
materials lead me to believe it is a CMS with some application server
capabilities.  It seems to use HTML::Template as its primary
templating mechanism, and includes HTML::Template 2.6 in the source
package.

I'd previously thought that Bricolage was the only CMS supporting
HTML::Template (not including blogging tools).  Are there more out
there?

-sam

Re: [htmltmpl] on the fly graphics and HT

[Philip S T. <phi...@gm...>]

On Fri, 8 Aug 2003, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:

> in my perl code i generate graphics on the fly depending on the context (for 
> example a different masthead depending on some variable). How do i insert 
> this into a template?

You read the list archives. :D

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[htmltmpl] on the fly graphics and HT

[Kenneth G. <la...@th...>]

hi,
in my perl code i generate graphics on the fly depending on the context (for 
example a different masthead depending on some variable). How do i insert 
this into a template?
kg

[htmltmpl] global_vars not working as expected?

[Andreas S. <an...@sc...>]

I put my code and my template up at my website:
http://www.schuldei.org/WebminLdapSkolelinux.pm
http://www.schuldei.org/CreateMoreUsers.tmpl.html

I get the error:

Error executing run mode 'EnterManyUsers_Mode':
HTML::Template->output() : fatal error in loop output :
HTML::Template : Attempt to set nonexistent parameter
'class_var_loop' - this parameter name doesn't match any
declarations in the template file : (die_on_bad_params => 1) at
/usr/share/perl5/HTML/Template.pm line 2905
 at /usr/share/perl5/WebminLdapSkolelinux.pm line 166

This is after filling in some data in the form and submitting it
(at which point the cgi will receive the data, end send part of
it back as part of the webform, adding a line to the form.

i set the global_vars option in line 148, and the class_var_loop
variable that is inside my loop should not been cobbered anymore,
but the error says otherwise.

feel free to point out any errors or bad programming style, i am
willing to learn. (c:

[htmltmpl] Announcement: HTML::Template::Associate

[Alex P. <al...@ta...>]

Just released, get it here: =20
=20
http://search.cpan.org/author/ALEXP/HTML-Template-Associate-1.10/lib/HTML=
/Template/Associate.pm




Alex Pavlovic=20
CTO
Taskforce-1 Inc.
www.taskforce-1.com

=20
Programmer
Calltrex Corp.
www.calltrex.com
=20

[htmltmpl] ANNOUNCE: MasonX::Request::HTMLTemplate

[Emiliano B. <br...@mi...>]

Hi all.

I'm pleased to announce the release of the first stable version of
MasonX::Request::HTMLTemplate ver. 0.04.

This module tries to add two peculiar functionalities to Mason:

- easy use of templates (inherits HTML::Template);
- easy building of localized web site;=20

to produce a framework with all power of Mason but by separating =
completely=20
the script language from the graphical interface language.=20

This distribution contains two modules: MX:Re:HTMLTemplate and
MX::Re::HT::WithApacheSession.=20
The first inherits directly Mason Request while the other inherits=20
MX::Re::WithApacheSession to use session in your web sites and =
templates.

Documentation is completed and contains many examples of how to use =
these=20
modules

This distribution is available through a CPAN mirror or at

http://search.cpan.org/author/EBRUNI/MasonX-Request-HTMLTemplate-0.04/

Changes:

00.04  (2003-08-04)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
- Fix a bug in WithApacheSession that cause problems when using session.
- Add LICENSE to distribution.

00.03  (2003-08-02)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
- Added many examples in documentation. Moreover it has been fixed in =
some=20
  points.

- MasonX::Request::WithApacheSession is not required anymore to use this
module.
  Removed from required modules.

- Fixed a bug in items method that it tried to use session also if there =
was
no=B6
  session module available.

- Test file was wrong. Created now tests for HTMLTemplate and=20
  WithApacheSession

- Created manual for WithApacheSession

- Completed separation of code between HTMLTemplate and =
WithApacheSession.
Now
  all code, necessary in order to use session variables, is placed in=20
  WithApacheSession.

- Use of module "base" instead of directly use of @ISA.
 =20

00.02  (2003-07-30)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
- Added more examples and synopsis to pod files.

- MasonX::Request::HTMLTemplate now inherits only
HTML::Mason::ApacheHandler,
  HTML::Mason::Request, HTML::Mason::CGIHandler. To use sessions and=20
  have an object that inherits from MasonX::Request::WithApacheSession
  use the new module MasonX::Request::HTMLTemplate::WithApacheSession.

- template_base_path and default_language initialize parameters
  are now optional. The default value for the first is 'undef' that is
  template_base_path it coincides with Mason component root directory.
  The default value for the other is 'en'.

00.01  (2003-07-29)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
- original version

Bye










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Re: [htmltmpl] OT mod_perl and apache 2.x

[Douglas K. <do...@sl...>]

On Sunday 03 August 2003 17:10, Ron Savage wrote:
> Here's a message I captured on the mod_perl mailing list in the last 
> few days. I suggest Kenneth you subscribe to it despite your 
> reluctance, and ask questions there :-).
> 
> -----><8-----
> o Argh.  The Apache2/modperl2 that comes with RH9 is junk.  Get rid 
> of
> it all.  Use 'ps' to see what processes you have running and stop any
> httpd processes that you don't think you started.  RH will start an
> Apache when it boots if you let it, I wish they wouldn't do that.
> Read 'man chkconfig'.  Go into /etc/rc.d and look at the startup
> scripts.  Use chkconfig to prevent Apache being started at boot so
> you can start it manually when you've built it.  When you're happy
> that it's all as you wnt it, you might want to use chkconfig to set
> it up to start at boot again.
> -----><8-----
> 

I am wondering why they are going to that much trouble to stop and start the 
web server?  I do it all the time with my RH9 box.

/usr/sbin/apachectl stop
/usr/sbin/apachectl start

I guess I should ask them.

Douglas

[htmltmpl] Re: [Mason-devel] Mason + H::T

[Emiliano B. <br...@mi...>]

> -----Messaggio originale-----
> Da: htm...@li...
> [mailto:htm...@li...] Per=20
> conto di John Michael Mars
> Inviato: mercoled=EC 30 luglio 2003 20.15
> A: David Wheeler; Mason-Devel
> Cc: htm...@li...
> Oggetto: [htmltmpl] Re: [Mason-devel] Mason + H::T
>=20
>=20
> I think a note was sent to the lists a few days ago announcing that=20
> this had been added.
>=20
> --- David Wheeler <da...@ki...> wrote:
> > Did everyone notice this?
> >=20
> >    =20
> >
> http://search.cpan.org/dist/MasonX-Request-HTMLTemplate/HTMLTemplate.p
> od
> >=20

Hi. I'm the developer of this module.

I haven't announced it because i was waiting to complete documentation =
and
remove bugs.

Release 0.03 have its documentation completed but this morning, when i
installed it in my web sites i found a little bug. Tomorrow i upload a =
new
release, test it in my web sites and announce it to this ml and to Mason
users list.

Bye

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Re: [htmltmpl] A TMPL_VAR for blobs?

[Philip S T. <phi...@gm...>]

On Sun, 3 Aug 2003, Bill McCormick wrote:

> I would like to store binary data (specifically picture type data,
> jpeg,gif, etc) in a database and pull it out to a template. Is there a
> blob type var for making this easy? How are you all going about this?

template.tmpl:
<img src="image_script.cgi?id=<tmpl_var id>">


image_script.cgi:
#!/usr/bin/perl -w

use CGI;
my $cgi = new CGI;

print $cgi->header("image/jpeg");
get_and_print_image($cgi->param('id'));

__END__




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[htmltmpl] A TMPL_VAR for blobs?

[Bill M. <wpm...@co...>]

Hello,

I would like to store binary data (specifically picture type data, jpeg,gif,
etc) in a database and pull it out to a template. Is there a blob type var
for making this easy? How are you all going about this?

Thanks,

Bill
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Re: [htmltmpl] OT mod_perl and apache 2.x

[Ron S. <ro...@de...>]

On 03 Aug 2003 11:29:39 -0700, Jamie Krasnoo wrote:
>On Sun, 2003-08-03 at 00:33, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:

Hi Kenneth, Jamie

Here's a message I captured on the mod_perl mailing list in the=
 last 
few days. I suggest Kenneth you subscribe to it despite your 
reluctance, and ask questions there :-).

-----><8-----
o Argh.  The Apache2/modperl2 that comes with RH9 is junk.  Get=
 rid 
of
it all.  Use 'ps' to see what processes you have running and stop=
 any
httpd processes that you don't think you started.  RH will start=
 an
Apache when it boots if you let it, I wish they wouldn't do=
 that.
Read 'man chkconfig'.  Go into /etc/rc.d and look at the startup
scripts.  Use chkconfig to prevent Apache being started at boot=
 so
you can start it manually when you've built it.  When you're=
 happy
that it's all as you wnt it, you might want to use chkconfig to=
 set
it up to start at boot again.
-----><8-----

-- 
Ron Savage, ro...@de... on 04/08/2003. Room EF 312
Deakin University, 221 Burwood Highway, Burwood, VIC 3125,=
 Australia
Phone: +61-3-9251 7067, Fax: +61-3-9251 7604
http://www.deakin.edu.au/~rons

Re: [htmltmpl] OT mod_perl and apache 2.x

[Jamie K. <kra...@so...>]

On Sun, 2003-08-03 at 00:33, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
> i know this is OT, but i dont want to join a new list for a one-off question, 
> so would appreciate it if any list member could point me to info on this:
> 
> I have been advised that it is not recommended to use php with apache 2.x for 
> a production server as there are issues with threading. Is this also the case 
> with mod_perl and apache 2.x?
> 
> kg
> 

I haven't had any problem with it. I've been programing on it for about
a month switching from mod_perl 1.0. Others will tell you that the
threaded environment isn't ready for production but I have yet to run
into a conflict. If you're running RedHat 9.0 your perl is already set
up for a threaded mod_perl. Other than that you really don't have to
have MP2 in threaded mode as there are others as well. I just chose to
jump in to the deep end.

I've compiled PHP for Apache 2 but I haven't gotten around to playing
with it yet.

Jamie Krasnoo

Re: [htmltmpl] WIKI topic suggestion

[Puneet K. <pk...@ei...>]

On Saturday, August 2, 2003, at 08:48  PM, Bob Hicks wrote:

> I am new to Perl and HTML::Template/CGI-Application. I would love to 
> see
> a real quick tutorial on using a database with these tools. Inserting
> data, populating tables and forms. Stuff like that.
>
>

really belongs to a DBI/DBD list + did you search the archives? A quick 
search of the archives reveals this message I had posted sometime back. 
http://bluedot.net/mail/archive/read.php?f=9&i=3325&t=3320

To summarize --

1. Get DBI (the interface) and the DBD (driver specific to your 
database) of your choice working.

2. Query the database using fetchall_arrayref(). This returns an array 
of hashes. Each element in the array is a row in your result set, and 
each hash in that row is a database field with its corresponding value.

  for example --

  # a handler with your sql
  my $sth = $dbh->prepare("SELECT user_id, fname, lname, email FROM 
users");
  # execute the handler
  $sth->execute;
  # a reference to the array of results
  my $tbl_ary_ref = $sth->fetchall_arrayref({});
  # cleanup
  $sth->finish;
  $dbh->disconnect;
  # assign the reference to the results to a h::t var called results
  $template->param(results =>  $tbl_ary_ref);

3. In your template you need to set up a <tmpl_loop> like so --

<table>
<tr><th>Full Name</th><th>Email</th></tr>
<!-- loop over results -->
<tmpl_loop results>
<!-- print out the values for each row -->
<form action="index.cgi" method="post">
<input type="hidden" name="user_id" value="<tmpl_var user_id>">
<tr>
	<td><tmpl_var fname> <tmpl_var lname></td>
	<td><tmpl_var email></td>
	<td><input type="submit" value="edit"></td>
</tr>
</form>
</tmpl_loop>
</table>

The above html will create a table with one user's info per row 
alongwith an edit button. Clicking the edit button will submit the form 
with a hidden field containing that user's user_id. You can then use 
that user_id to do further processing like editing user info, etc.

But, this should give you the general idea.

[htmltmpl] OT mod_perl and apache 2.x

[Kenneth G. <la...@th...>]

i know this is OT, but i dont want to join a new list for a one-off question, 
so would appreciate it if any list member could point me to info on this:

I have been advised that it is not recommended to use php with apache 2.x for 
a production server as there are issues with threading. Is this also the case 
with mod_perl and apache 2.x?

kg

[htmltmpl] WIKI topic suggestion

[Bob H. <bob...@ad...>]

I am new to Perl and HTML::Template/CGI-Application. I would love to see
a real quick tutorial on using a database with these tools. Inserting
data, populating tables and forms. Stuff like that.

Bob

[htmltmpl] Re: HTML::Template for Web Designers

[Mark S. <ma...@su...>]

In article <200...@he...>, Chisel Wright wrote:
> 
>   http://www.herlpacker.co.uk/articles/

Thanks for this Chisel, This looks thorough.

There is also a terse document on the same topic here:

http://support.summersault.com/html_tmpl_for_designer.html

	Mark

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[htmltmpl] HTML::Template for Web Designers

[Chisel W. <ch...@he...>]

A large number of weeks ago I asked about a guide for web
developers/designers using H::T.

The response at the time was "I don't believe there is, but it sounds
like a good idea.  Maybe you'd like to write one? "

Life got in the way for a while, but I finally got around to accepting
the challenge.

I've passed it around the (perl) developers and web designers in my
office, and the webbies have actually said it helped them, so I'm
sharing the URL with the H::T list in the hope that others out there may
find it useful too:

  http://www.herlpacker.co.uk/articles/

It's quite easy to find, it's the "HTML::Template for Web Designers"
article and is currently the only article there.

Chisel
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RE: [htmltmpl] Problem with <select>

[Robert M. <rw...@uc...>]

Alex,

Thanks for your reply and taking the time.

> Hello Robert, Karen and the rest,
>
> Robert, to me it appears that the problem indeed lies in $pwqref. That's
> why I think Karen's idea is very good.
> What I tried was to run as much of your code as possible, and I ended up
> with this bit:
>
>    my $useropt=2;
>    my %options;
>    my @htmlselect = ();
>    my %pwqref = ('1','a','2','b','3','c','4','d'); # didn't have another
> way
>
>    foreach (sort keys %pwqref)  {
>       my $sel = ( $_ eq $useropt ? 1 : 0 );
>       my %row = ('selectcode' => $_, 'selectdesc' => $pwqref{$_},
> 'isSel' => $sel);
>       push @htmlselect, \%row;
>       print("  C=$_, D=$pwqref{$_}, SEL=$sel\n");
>       }
>    $template->param('htmlselect' => \@htmlselect);
>
> As you see, because I didn't have your function which would populate the
> pwqref "hash" I just made it up, other than that it's more or less your
> own code. Now my code works :) So it would really help to print the
> actual values of pwqref the way Karen suggested. I'm confident that
> you'll find that hash to be somehow malformed.

Well jeez, I used Karen's map() code line for my log, and the data was the
same, so my pwqref seems okay.  Still, just for fun, I actually hard-coded
my hash just as you did, and changed the other references as required, and
it still didn't work.  So I'm really stumped.  I hate when this happens...


> P.S. I just wanted to point out that to give value to $sel a slightly
> simpler line would suffice:
>
> 	my $sel = $_ eq $useropt;
>
> Your version is like saying: "if it's true, let it be true, but if it
> ain't then it ain't" :)
> I do it your way too sometimes when I forget in what language 1 is a
> true fact and 0's just a bunch of lies. However, since in our ...

Yeah, you're right.  I do know and understand that, and have done it that
way in numerous other places.  Like you said, too many languages.  Old
habits die hard.  This is Perl, right?   :)

Robert

[htmltmpl] Re: Problem with <select>

[Robert M. <rw...@uc...>]

> On Wed, 30 Jul 2003, Karen J. Cravens wrote:
>
> I would think a better log would be something like
>
>   my %row = ('selectcode' => $_, 'selectdesc' => $$pwqref{$_},
> 'isSel' => $sel);
>   push @htmlselect, \%row;
>   Log("  ". join(', ', map("$_\=".$row{$_}, keys %row))) if $debug;
>
> (or something along those lines) so that you're getting what actually gets
> set in the array, rather than what you're hoping got set in the array.

Thanks, Karen.  I've never really got into used map() for some reason.  I'll
read up on it and try using that.

Robert

Re: [htmltmpl] Problem with <select>

[Karen J. C. <si...@ph...>]

On Wed, 30 Jul 2003, Robert Murray wrote:

I would think a better log would be something like

  my %row = ('selectcode' => $_, 'selectdesc' => $$pwqref{$_}, 'isSel' => $sel);
  push @htmlselect, \%row;
  Log("  ". join(', ', map("$_\=".$row{$_}, keys %row))) if $debug;

(or something along those lines) so that you're getting what actually gets
set in the array, rather than what you're hoping got set in the array.

They *should* be the same thing, unless you're getting warnings about an
odd number of arguments, but you can never be too safe in debugging.

Not that I'm saying that's where the error is.  Just that that's where the
error would be if it was my code...

-- 
Karen J. Cravens  si...@ph...

[htmltmpl] Problem with <select>

[Robert M. <rw...@uc...>]

Greetings,

I've been a long time fan and user of HTML::Template, but this is the first
time I've tried to do this particular thing.   Can someone tell me what I'm
doing wrong?  I've been looking at this but I think I need another pair of
eyes to point out my error (probably something dumb).  I've read past
messages about filling in an HTML select form, coded it, and it *almost*
seems to work, but its not putting the 'selected' token in there!  Any help
would be appreciated.

[FYI: It's purpose is a question/answer confirmation for someone who forgets
their password.  Thus the 'pwq' below is short for 'PassWord Question', if
you're wondering.  There are other fields on the form, but those all work
fine.]


Here's my HTML (everything between <option></option> is actually on one
line, just indented here for readability):

<select name="pwq">
 <tmpl_loop name="htmlselect">
   <option value="<tmpl_var name='selectcode'>"
   <tmpl_if name='isSel'> selected</tmpl_if>>
   <tmpl_var name='selectdesc'></option>
 </tmpl_loop>
</select>

..then my code has the fill routine like so (some more fluff removed for
readability, but this is the meat of it):

sub FillForm
   {
   my $tmplref = shift;  # Reference to the HTML::Template
   my $formref = shift;  # Reference to the form data hash
   my $useropt = $$formref{'pwq'};  # User selection  ('06' for this
example)
   Log("FillForm(useropt=$useropt)") if $debug;

   my %options;
   my @htmlselect = ();
   my $pwqref = getPWQhash(); # Build hash of code=>text data from a file

   foreach (sort keys %{$pwqref})  {
      my $sel = ( $_ eq $useropt ? 1 : 0 );
      my %row = ('selectcode' => $_, 'selectdesc' => $$pwqref{$_}, 'isSel'
=> $sel);
      push @htmlselect, \%row;
      Log("  C=$_, D=$$pwqref{$_}, SEL=$sel") if $debug;
      }
   $tmplref->param('htmlselect' => \@htmlselect);
   }


...and in my log file (from the Log() functions above) is shows that the
sixth option is being identified as the one selected (which I did), but for
some reason that doesn't get translated to the HTML code:

FillForm(useropt=06)
   C=00, D=(sometext00), SEL=0
   C=01, D=(sometext01), SEL=0
   C=02, D=(sometext02), SEL=0
   C=03, D=(sometext03), SEL=0
   C=04, D=(sometext04), SEL=0
   C=05, D=(sometext05), SEL=0
   C=06, D=(sometext06), SEL=1   <--- Var is set to 1
   C=07, D=(sometext07), SEL=0
   C=08, D=(sometext08), SEL=0
   C=09, D=(sometext09), SEL=0
   C=10, D=(sometext10), SEL=0


However, the result is just as if it was a blank form, with no 'selected'
token in the select list.  Doing a View Source just looks like:

  <select name="pwq">
  <option value="00">(sometext00)</option>
  <option value="01">(sometext01)</option>
  <option value="02">(sometext02)</option>
  <option value="03">(sometext03)</option>
  <option value="04">(sometext04)</option>
  <option value="05">(sometext05)</option>
  <option value="06">(sometext06)</option>   ('selected' should be here?!?!)
  <option value="07">(sometext07)</option>
  <option value="08">(sometext08)</option>
  <option value="09">(sometext09)</option>
  <option value="10">(sometext10)</option>
  </select>


Thanks and first round on me for whoever helps point out my problem.  :)

Robert

[htmltmpl] Re: [Mason-devel] Mason + H::T

[David W. <da...@ki...>]

On Wednesday, July 30, 2003, at 11:14  AM, John Michael Mars wrote:

> I think a note was sent to the lists a few days ago
> announcing that this had been added.

I'm on html-template-users and mason-devel, and never saw it. Must've 
gone to mason-users or something (I'm not on that list).

Regards,

David

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[htmltmpl] Re: [Mason-devel] Mason + H::T

[John M. M. <joh...@ya...>]

I think a note was sent to the lists a few days ago
announcing that this had been added. 

--- David Wheeler <da...@ki...> wrote:
> Did everyone notice this?
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>
http://search.cpan.org/dist/MasonX-Request-HTMLTemplate/HTMLTemplate.pod
> 
> David
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[htmltmpl] Mason + H::T

[David W. <da...@ki...>]

Did everyone notice this?

    
http://search.cpan.org/dist/MasonX-Request-HTMLTemplate/HTMLTemplate.pod

David

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