From: t t. <gam...@gm...> - 2004-11-30 06:07:19
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I most likely overdid this, but I had just gone through quite a lot of nonsense trying to reach somebody at HP. Of course, these addresses might also be Eliza-bots or black holes, so I am not holding my breath. If you work at HP and are reading this, consider forwarding it to the highest level person for whom you have an (internal, real) email address. It might be a career-enhancing move. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: t takahashi <gam...@gm...> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:56:48 -0700 Subject: Re: Feedback to Carly from t takahashi To: External ceo-communication ... Cc: com...@hp..., Email ecag <ema...@hp...> Thanks for responding to me with a real email address. I will write the following with the assumption that somebody there really does want to improve the web site and HP service. Please note that my attempts to talk to a real human at HP have not yet succeeded otherwise, so I am quite skeptical, but I will take this one last step for HP, since it used to be such a great company (and I knew people who worked there). I am very skeptical that anybody high enough in the hierarchy will ever see this to do any good, but here goes: For example, on the web site there are no email addresses, so you spend far too long filling out an email form, and it asks you to confirm by pressing the send button, and there is no send button. I am not making this up. Then you try to provide feedback, and you get a non-replyable reply that sends you to the web page that does not work at all. I am not not making this up. Or you try the web chat, and half of the characters you type are dropped so that it comes out in gibberish, then the chat person (who might be an Eliza-like bot pretending to be a human) tells you that they only support English (i.e. she or it thought that the gibberish was not English) and drops the connection -- I have the transcripts. I am not making this up. Then Firefox bogs down with HP's Javascript until it is too slow to use. Then every single page has HP "feedback" popups that obscure the pages or move. Or you try to find your problem, figuring you would read between the lines of Windows errors (because they have no useful Linux error pages), and they got the link wrong. And they don't make it clear whether their "drivers" and other downloadable software are or affect firmware in any way, so you can't tell whether you could fix a problem in the device itself by using them. You just get a list of downloadables with no real information about them. After 3 months, I still have a huge paperweight on my desk. (You call it an Officejet 6110, but it has been useless to me ever since 30 days after I bought it, making it impossible to return.) I was hoping to get a little of that HP service that used to exist, since that HP product quality that used to exist no longer does. (I went through 2 others of the same model before buying this one. I should have taken the hint.) But instead I hit a web site that got in the way. I miss the old HP. (Please reply so that I will not swear off HP products or stock forever.) Thanks |
From: Cory M. <cor...@hp...> - 2004-11-30 17:50:18
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Are you having a Linux issue or is this Windows related? I'm sorry that I have not been more responsive... Cory hp linux printing team On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 23:07 -0700, t takahashi wrote: > I most likely overdid this, but I had just gone through quite a lot of > nonsense trying to reach somebody at HP. > > Of course, these addresses might also be Eliza-bots or black holes, so > I am not holding my breath. > > If you work at HP and are reading this, consider forwarding it to the > highest level person for whom you have an (internal, real) email > address. It might be a career-enhancing move. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: t takahashi <gam...@gm...> > Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:56:48 -0700 > Subject: Re: Feedback to Carly from t takahashi > To: External ceo-communication ... > Cc: com...@hp..., Email ecag <ema...@hp...> > > > Thanks for responding to me with a real email address. > > I will write the following with the assumption that somebody there > really does want to improve the web site and HP service. Please note > that my attempts to talk to a real human at HP have not yet succeeded > otherwise, so I am quite skeptical, but I will take this one last step > for HP, since it used to be such a great company (and I knew people > who worked there). > > I am very skeptical that anybody high enough in the hierarchy will > ever see this to do any good, but here goes: > > For example, on the web site there are no email addresses, so you > spend far too long filling out an email form, and it asks you to > confirm by pressing the send button, and there is no send button. > I am not making this up. > > Then you try to provide feedback, and you get a non-replyable reply > that sends you to the web page that does not work at all. > I am not not making this up. > > Or you try the web chat, and half of the characters you type are > dropped so that it comes out in gibberish, then the chat person (who > might be an Eliza-like bot pretending to be a human) tells you that > they only support English (i.e. she or it thought that the gibberish > was not English) and drops the connection -- I have the transcripts. > I am not making this up. > > Then Firefox bogs down with HP's Javascript until it is too slow to > use. Then every single page has HP "feedback" popups that obscure the > pages or move. > > Or you try to find your problem, figuring you would read between the > lines of Windows errors (because they have no useful Linux > error pages), and they got the link wrong. > > And they don't make it clear whether their "drivers" and other > downloadable software are or affect firmware in any way, so you can't > tell whether you could fix a problem in the device itself by using > them. You just get a list of downloadables with no real information > about them. > > After 3 months, I still have a huge paperweight on my desk. (You call > it an Officejet 6110, but it has been useless to me ever since 30 days > after I bought it, making it impossible to return.) > > I was hoping to get a little of that HP service that used to exist, > since that HP product quality that used to exist no longer does. (I > went through 2 others of the same model before buying this one. I > should have taken the hint.) > > But instead I hit a web site that got in the way. > > I miss the old HP. > > (Please reply so that I will not swear off HP products or stock forever.) > > Thanks > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide > Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. > Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. > http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > hpoj-devel mailing list > hpo...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hpoj-devel ------------------------------------ Cory Meisch HP Linux Test Technician (360) 212-7009 ------------------------------------- History is the version of past events that people have decided to agree on. -- Napoleon Bonaparte, "Maxims" ------------------------------------- ****** Current Weather for Portland, OR ****** Temperature: 42.1 F Conditions: Overcast and overcast |
From: t t. <gam...@gm...> - 2004-11-30 21:09:17
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On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 09:49:53 -0800, Cory Meisch <cor...@hp...> wrote: > Are you having a Linux issue or is this Windows related? I'm sorry that > I have not been more responsive... Thanks for replying. It is a Linux issue. The device is essentially completely useless to me now, and has been for months. And its function is really important. To be honest, I am at the end of my rope on this. Nobody has yet looked at all of the detailed debugging output that is at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=272304 and also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=283018 . If that is not enough to find out where the problem is, then I will do anything that I am asked to do. I do not have the ability to debug beyond what I already have. No responses on sane mailing list, debian-user, sourceforge forum, or elsewhere. Contacting HP through official channels (in case it's hardware- or firmware-related or in case they feel like helping with a Linux problem by some unusual alignment of the planets) is of course useless. I am stuck on this. Regarding my letter to Carly, there is no way that she or anybody useful will ever see it given the email addresses that I used. However, if you were to forward it to a manager or two at HP using an internal addresss, it would avoid dropping into a black hole. I spent way too long on the nonsense that led to that letter. |
From: Cory M. <cor...@hp...> - 2004-11-30 21:22:23
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To be honest, I am not very Debian savvy. My recommendation at this point would be to hang on for a couple of days and I'm pretty sure I can easily fix your issue... Cory hp linux printing team On Tue, 2004-11-30 at 14:09 -0700, t takahashi wrote: > On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 09:49:53 -0800, Cory Meisch <cor...@hp...> wrote: > > Are you having a Linux issue or is this Windows related? I'm sorry that > > I have not been more responsive... > > Thanks for replying. > > It is a Linux issue. The device is essentially completely useless to > me now, and has been for months. And its function is really > important. To be honest, I am at the end of my rope on this. > > Nobody has yet looked at all of the detailed debugging output that is > at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=272304 and also > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=283018 . > > If that is not enough to find out where the problem is, then I will do > anything that I am asked to do. > > I do not have the ability to debug beyond what I already have. No > responses on sane mailing list, debian-user, sourceforge forum, or > elsewhere. Contacting HP through official channels (in case it's > hardware- or firmware-related or in case they feel like helping with a > Linux problem by some unusual alignment of the planets) is of course > useless. I am stuck on this. > > Regarding my letter to Carly, there is no way that she or anybody > useful will ever see it given the email addresses that I used. > However, if you were to forward it to a manager or two at HP using an > internal addresss, it would avoid dropping into a black hole. I spent > way too long on the nonsense that led to that letter. ------------------------------------ Cory Meisch HP Linux Test Technician (360) 212-7009 ------------------------------------- Kafka's Law: In the fight between you and the world, back the world. -- Franz Kafka, "RS's 1974 Expectation of Days" ------------------------------------- ****** Current Weather for Portland, OR ****** Temperature: 46.0 F Conditions: Overcast and overcast |
From: t t. <gam...@gm...> - 2004-11-30 22:11:48
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On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:22:01 -0800, Cory Meisch <cor...@hp...> wrote: > To be honest, I am not very Debian savvy. My recommendation at this > point would be to hang on for a couple of days and I'm pretty sure I can > easily fix your issue... THANKS!!!!!!!!!! |