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Re: [Hermesmail-discuss] How can I compile Eudora/Hermes Source Code ?
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From: Ronald v. G. <ro...@t-...> - 2021-01-11 14:00:13
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Hi Curtis. Thank you for your clarifyng answer. Pete explained Stingray issue two week ago. It seems there's not an easy solution cause Eudora is using a custom Stingray library. Anyway, I shall contact Perforce to see if we can move forward. I shall keep you informed. Regards! Ronald ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Hi Pete, I think Ron is asking whether anybody has successfully assembled an environment in which Eudora can be compiled from source code released by the museum. I suspect that the answer is no, given the Stingray obstacle. The spell checker should be no big deal - there are quite a few at Nuget with an Apache license. For Stingray, it might be a good idea to open a dialog with Perforce - https://www.perforce.com/products/stingray. They do not provide pricing information - https://www.perforce.com/how-buy - which suggests that it is quite pricey. But it is also possible that they might be willing to cooperate with an open-source product in exchange for free advertising, esp. given that most of us still using Eudora (and those who wish they could use it again) -- are software developers or in a related profession. Those that are not still tend to be scientists or researchers at academic institutions. Currently the biggest problem with Eudora is the character encoding issue. Daniel Kuhn has created a semi-effective Delphi plug-in (http://www.windharp.de/software/utf8iso.htm) but lost the source code. Surely that he could outline its operation. A plug-in just has to compile to a Win-32 DLL so it's language-agnostic. Another minor problem is the mailbox limit of 2GB, but I can live with that. HTML rendering is another, but lesser issue, along with inability to decode some types of embedded images. I still use Eudora on my 8 or 10 email accounts - with some mailboxes dating back to 1996 or so. Occasionally I have to log into a websmail service or gmail to deal with particularly recalcitrant messages. With the TLS changes already done, a good UTF8 plugin would be a huge step forward, pending the more difficult issue of actually getting the ^&#&$ thing to compile! Curtis At 03:35 PM 1/9/2021, Pete Maclean wrote: >Ron, > >>- Is there any source code that can be compiled in anyway ? > >I do not understand this question. > >>- If it is not: >> >> - What source code and environment are the best to begin >> to fight with ? > >I recommend starting with the raw code that was published as open >source rather than the Hermes repository. > >> - Is there an unavoidable obstacle that prevents compiling >> the source code? > >Yes. The main obstacle is the Stingray library. It is an obstacle >in several ways especially in that Eudora was built using a >customized version of it and we do not have documentation on those >customizations. Another minor obstacle is that Eudora uses a spell >checker that is a commercial product. > >Pete Maclean > >At 07:28 AM 1/9/2021, Ronald van Ginkel wrote: > >>Hi Curtis. >> >>Yes, I'm afraid all of us are short of time, but for me, Eudora is >>my main tool for my work, so I wanna invest some time and resources on it. >> >>Thank you for your offer, but I also have all VS versions (I'm >>Microsoft Silver Partner), but I need to know what is the first step. >> >>As I see, Eudora 'museum' code needs VS 2003: >> >>>Eudora.vcproj >> >>><VisualStudioProject >>> ProjectType="Visual C++" >>> Version="7.10" >> >> >>But Hermes code needs VS 2015: >> >>>Eudora.vcxproj >> >>><Project DefaultTargets="Build" ToolsVersion="15.0" >> >> >>And as I see, Hermes installer's eudora.exe is the original one, so >>it seems it's no been compiled recently. >> >> >>So, my point is: >> >>- Is there any source code that can be compiled in anyway ? >> >>- If it is not: >> >> - What source code and environment are the best to begin >> to fight with ? >> >> - Is there an unavoidable obstacle that prevents compiling >> the source code? >> >>Regards! >> >>Ronald >> >>______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ >>Hi Ronald, >>If you would like to give it a go I have VS 2005 Pro. I can send an >>ISO image and license key. Wish I had more time! >>Regards, >>Curtis Meadow >> >>At 12:33 PM 1/8/2021, Ronald van Ginkel wrote: >> >>>Hi Steve. >>> >>>Thank you for your answer, but the only thing I need to know is if >>>it is possible to compile the source code of Eudora or Hermes and >>>what is the necessary environment to do it. >>> >>> From here I will be able to understand where the project is >>> standing and see if I can help in any way. >>> >>>Regards! >>> >>>Ronald >>>______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ >>>At 06:48 AM 1/8/2021, Ronald van Ginkel wrote: >>> >>>>Hi Steve. >>>> >>>>I took a way, but I finally could setup a Virtual Machine with >>>>Windows XP 32 Bits (Visual Studio 2002 cannot be installed on a >>>>64 bits OS), installed VS2002 and imported Hermes project. >>>> >>>>... but it cannot been compiled. >>>> >>>>As I see, project file needs at least 2010 version. >>>> >>>>I've installed a VS2010 and tried to compiled, but I get a lot of >>>>errors, most of them due to the use of 'noexcept' expression that >>>>it's only supported at VS 2015 or above, and with VS2015 I get >>>>tons of errors trying to compile. >>>> >>>>Can anyone tell me is there a way to compile the source code ? >>>> >>>>Thank you in advance. >>>> >>>>Ronald >>> >>>Ronald, >>> >>>My main development machine keeps changing, and I have changed >>>motherboards 1-2 times in recent years, so the environment I first >>>tested the Eudora source code in no longer exists. This pre-dated >>>the 'Hermes' project by several months at least. I don't have the >>>'Hermes Project' files. I have the files that were released from >>>the Computer Museum that Qualcomm authorized. >>> >>>A little common sense: VS2010 didn't exist at the time of the >>>final release of Eudora, so it couldn't have been the required version. >>> >>>When a newer version of Visual Studio tries to open a project from >>>a previous version of Visual Studio, it will convert the old >>>project file to the new project file. It also shows a warning box >>>on the screen when it does this, and gives you the option to save >>>the old version unmodified but you have to enter a new name for >>>the old file to use. So if you had initially tried to compile the >>>source code with VS2010, the project file was converted. >>> >>>I don't presently have Visual Studio 2002 installed. I did have >>>it installed in a 64-bit Windows 7 environment. As I recall, it >>>wasn't easy to install. I just finished a search, and I found >>>some install instructions which say that to install it, you need >>>to not already have newer versions of Visual Studio on the system, >>>and there were a couple of specific items you need to check-off >>>and not install, for it to work. >>> >>>Use of Windows XP to make a compiling environment is a common work >>>around for these kinds of problems. I recently (recent defined as >>>within the past 2 years) had to run a 16-bit program that was >>>compiled using QuickBasic. I had to do the same thing, as Windows >>>XP could run 16-bit programs. I soon went to some trouble to >>>write a replacement program that runs in a 64-bit environment. >>> >>>I don't know anything about this 'noexcept' expression you are >>>talking about, and anything I say is going to be speculation. I >>>generally do most of my work in older versions of Visual Studio. >>> >>>Steve >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Hermesmail-discuss mailing list >>>Her...@li... >>>https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hermesmail-discuss >>> >>> >>>______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Hermesmail-discuss mailing list >>>Her...@li... >>>https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hermesmail-discuss >> >> >> >>______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Hermesmail-discuss mailing list >>Her...@li... >>https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hermesmail-discuss ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ |
