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Re: [Hermesmail-discuss] Hermes Mail - UTF 8 ETA?
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From: Ronald v. G. <ro...@t-...> - 2020-12-29 10:43:15
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Hi Pete. First of all, thank you for the effort you are making to keep this project alive. I think ISO-8859-1 issue can be worked in two ways: 1) Obtain the modified Stingray library: Perhaps it is just an intellectual property issue that can be negotiated in some way. I supose we have some contact with Qualcomm and I see Stingray owner is now Perforce: https://www.perforce.com/products/stingray. I understand that these steps have already been taken, but it is important to know if this possibility has been ruled out and for what reason. 2) Reverse engineering to adapt Eudora back to Stingray (assuming this is the most optimal solution as opposed to integrating it with a different library). In this case, I think the first step would be to have an analysis of the functionalities that Eudora needs from Stingray to be able to size the project. A limited scope of the project is probably something that money can fix. As most of you, Eudora is for me an indispensable tool and currently irreplaceable. More than 22 years of emails and 60Gb of information that I can manage with agility thanks to the X1 search engine that Eudora incorporates and because of Eudora's own functionality, so I am more than willing to collaborate with the project (financially and with my time and knowledge). The only thing is that the campaigns to contribute funds are closed :-( Best regards! Ronald ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Hi Darrell, It is indeed the case that there is no ETA for iso-8859-1 compliance. Actually it is looking more and more like that will never happen. I have posted about this before but I think it would be useful to describe again why supporting iso-8859-1 is such a big deal. It is because a lack of iso-8859-1 capability in Eudora/Hermes is not actually the problem. The Eudora that most or all of us are using knows about iso-8859-1 and has an appropriate amount of support for it. The real problem is that Eudora does not support display of Unicode characters. I don't want to make a fuss about how we refer to the problem -- we all now know too well what we mean when we talk about the "lack of iso-8859-1 support" so I think it's okay to go on referring to it in this way. But the real issue is larger and much deeper. If Eudora was capable of displaying Unicode but lacked support for iso-8859-1 (which would be rather odd, but possible) the fix would be very easy, maybe even something that could be done with a patch to the existing binary. As things are, it means changing a very large number of calls to a particular third-party library called Stingray that renders text for Eudora. We have precious few volunteers on the project to begin with and none who has experience with Stingray. I believe we have a connection to one contractor who does have some Stingray expertise but we have negligible funds to pay him. What is more, working with this library is formidably difficult in one way: the Eudora developers customized it and we do not have any good records of these customizations. For this reason and others we are not even able to rebuild Eudora in its original form. As far as I know, I am the only person on the project who actually uses Eudora and who has any real passion for the project. But I cannot do it alone. When I was younger I might have taken it on but now I am old, slower than I used to be, and just not up to it. I have heard nothing from the project leader in several months, no progress is being made that I am aware of and I fear the whole thing has effectively ground to a halt. Pete Maclean At 05:09 AM 12/28/2020, Darrell Jonsson wrote: >Hi John, Others can correct me if I'm wrong. UTF >compliance turned out to be a major non-trivial >hurdle in Hermes development. So far as I >understand it so far there is no timeline/ETA >for UTF 8 compliance. Technical reasons for this >complication were explained earlier in this >list, as I remember it involves some deep global >changes to the software's libraries. Perhaps >others can explain more clearly. Best regards - >Darrell On 12/25/2020 7:30 AM, John B. Lisle >wrote: > Jason et al, > > Thanks for the insight >on the two options. I'll try the easy option >tomorrow. > > What additional features does one >get with the full version? In particular, does >it solve the UTF8 problem? > > I have a very >large email database. I do have attachments in a >separate directory. I didn't know you could also >have the mail boxes and folders in a separate >directory. Can you share how that is done? > > >Thanks, > John. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On >Dec 25, 2020, at 12:04 AM, Jason Shoup ><ja...@sh...> wrote: >> >> Hi John and >Happy Holidays. >> >> If you're already using a >working copy of Eudora, then there's absolutely >no need to install the full Hermes Mail package. >At the present time, Hermes Mail is basically >just Eudora 7.1.0.9 but with some TLS/SSL >updates already included in the installation >files. >> >> If you're using the stock version >of Eudora 7.1.0.9, then you'll probably only >need to update Eudora's TLS/SSL libraries to get >TLS working again. It's a quick fix that works >great on existing installations. >> >> Please >download the HermSSL.zip file from Source Forge >at >https://sourceforge.net/projects/hermesmail/files/ > >> >> Unzip the file and follow the >instructions in the readme.txt file. It involves >replacing a few of Eudora's files with new ones >from the Hermes Mail project. >> >> After >updating, you'll find your Eudora can now >negotiate TLS1.2 when receiving email via POP >and IMAP. When sending mail via SMTP, I've only >been able to negotiate up to TLS1.0, but luckily >it's still widely supported amongst many >providers. >> >> Please note however that the >files included in the HermSSL.zip file will only >address the TLS/SSL issue. Eudora will still >continue to suffer from the lack of iso-8859-1 >support. That's what causes those strange >characters to appear in messages received from >those who send mail using the iso-8859-1 >character set. >> >> It's always a good idea to >backup Eudora's data directories before making >any changes. In my case, where Eudora is >installed and where I have it keep my email are >in two separate locations. >> >> Good luck with >the update. I'm sure you'll be happy to know you >can keep using Eudora for a little while longer >yet. It's still my primary email client too. >This message having been proudly sent by >Eudora. >> >> Have a wonderful holiday season. >Stay safe and well amidst the pandemic. >Cheers, >> >> Jason >> >> >> >> >> At 06:20 PM >24/12/2020, you wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I have >been using Eudora since the early 1990s. I am >having the "usual" problems with hosting company >wanting to eliminate obsolete TLS support so I >am having issues with my email accounts with >them. They mentioned that Hermes Mail might be a >solution. >>> >>> I am running Win 7 64 bit with >Eudora 7.1.0.9 >>> >>> My question is simply >"How do I install it"? Is it possible to try it >and then back it out if it does not work -- most >of my email accounts, including gmail, are fine >with it; it is just the email accounts from a >single hosting service that seem to have an >issue. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> john. >> >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ > > > Hermesmail-discuss mailing list >> >Her...@li... >> >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hermesmail-discuss > > > >_______________________________________________ > > Hermesmail-discuss mailing list > >Her...@li... > >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hermesmail-discuss >_______________________________________________ >Hermesmail-discuss mailing list >Her...@li... >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hermesmail-discuss </x-flowed> _______________________________________________ Hermesmail-discuss mailing list Her...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hermesmail-discuss ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ |
